it doesnt summon veil, it is stated that it reduces damage, thats it
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SPOILERS! Pokemon Sword & Shield Pre-Release SPOILERS - Check Post 2!
- Thread starter DHR-107
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Past Gen Inclusions/Exclusions Observations:
So by now I'm sure every notable competitive Pokemon that's been included/exlcuded have been mentioned & discussed how their presence/absence is going to affect the metagame. Nothing I can really add there. So, while looking through the grid I tried to keep an open eye for any interesting tidbits and I think I may found a few:
Vacant Past Gen Bugs/Birds/Rodents: Every generation introduces what many would consider a "Gen Bug", "Gen Bird", and "Gen Rodent". For Kanto it was Caterpie/Weedle, Pidgey, and Ratatta. For Johto it was Spinarak/Ledyba, Hoothoot, and Sentret. And etc.. However, starting Gen VI after it had a sort of "reboot" in Gen V, they began using the past gen Bugs/Birds/Rodents to fill those roles letting them to do more interesting things with that gen's version of those Pokemon. Thanks to this Gen VI gave us Vivillon, Talonflame, & Diggersby and Gen VII gave us Vikavolt, Toucannon, and Gumshoos. Even if not all of them were competitive level they were at least more interesting then previous gen's.
So, imagine my surprise when I found that most of these Pokemon have been completely cut. "Really, you were surprised"? Well, yes, because I thought they'd keep a handful but after the dex cut the only ones left are Caterpie, Grubbin, Hoothoot, Pidove, (Galarian) Zigzagoon, and Bunnelby. That's it. While I guess serviceable, at the same time a downgrade then the last two gens. So, I thought about it, and decided to be a bit more "generous" and include all the other bugs, bird, and rodents I could see filling in these roles. This is what I got:
So where am I going with all this? Looking at the options I noticed many many provide either a unique secondary Typing or has something which makes it unique on its own. It feels like in a way GF may have tried to maybe mitigate the idea of the "gen bug/bird/rodent" by keeping all the options they kept feel they have their own thing to offer and aren't meant to just be tossed away later on (or at least not as early as you normally would). Also with many having secondary Typing it also gives options to how to form your team. Like if you want the psychic ladybug on your team you'll probably not pick Natu to be your bird or if you want Rufflet you may not pick Minccino (and from there you build your team around that or, if you come across another Pokemon you want to use, go back and choose another bug/bird/rodent till you get a team you like).
Would The Pikaclones Please Stand Up: The only past gen Pikaclone in Galar is Togedemaru. While I can understand them not including Plusle, Minun, & Pachirisu, but to also not include both or either Emolga & Dedenne is a bit surprising since they have secondary Types not shared by other Pikaclones. And considering Morpeko's gimmick having those two would emphasize the different secondary Types the recent batch of Pikaclones have had (Flying, Fairy, Steel, and now Dark).
Spore Alone: Morelull is the only Pokemon that knows Spore in Galar.
Leon Not Lion: Bit odd that the Litleo family is absent, especially with how lions are a notable heraldry symbol (not to mention the Champion's name is Leon which means "lion"). Heck, the only big cat I see is Liepard, Luxray is also absent.
Well, that's all I see with my causal eyes. Well, of course I see more, but nothing more than "oh that Pokemon was excluded/included?".
So by now I'm sure every notable competitive Pokemon that's been included/exlcuded have been mentioned & discussed how their presence/absence is going to affect the metagame. Nothing I can really add there. So, while looking through the grid I tried to keep an open eye for any interesting tidbits and I think I may found a few:
Vacant Past Gen Bugs/Birds/Rodents: Every generation introduces what many would consider a "Gen Bug", "Gen Bird", and "Gen Rodent". For Kanto it was Caterpie/Weedle, Pidgey, and Ratatta. For Johto it was Spinarak/Ledyba, Hoothoot, and Sentret. And etc.. However, starting Gen VI after it had a sort of "reboot" in Gen V, they began using the past gen Bugs/Birds/Rodents to fill those roles letting them to do more interesting things with that gen's version of those Pokemon. Thanks to this Gen VI gave us Vivillon, Talonflame, & Diggersby and Gen VII gave us Vikavolt, Toucannon, and Gumshoos. Even if not all of them were competitive level they were at least more interesting then previous gen's.
So, imagine my surprise when I found that most of these Pokemon have been completely cut. "Really, you were surprised"? Well, yes, because I thought they'd keep a handful but after the dex cut the only ones left are Caterpie, Grubbin, Hoothoot, Pidove, (Galarian) Zigzagoon, and Bunnelby. That's it. While I guess serviceable, at the same time a downgrade then the last two gens. So, I thought about it, and decided to be a bit more "generous" and include all the other bugs, bird, and rodents I could see filling in these roles. This is what I got:
- Gen Bugs: Caterpie, Combee, Nincada, Dwebble, Karrablast, Shelmet, Joltic, Grubbin, Cutiefly
- Gen Birds: Farfetch'd, Hoothoot, Natu, Wingull, Pidove, Rufflet, Vullaby
- Gen Rodents: Zigzagoon, Minccino, Bunnelby
So where am I going with all this? Looking at the options I noticed many many provide either a unique secondary Typing or has something which makes it unique on its own. It feels like in a way GF may have tried to maybe mitigate the idea of the "gen bug/bird/rodent" by keeping all the options they kept feel they have their own thing to offer and aren't meant to just be tossed away later on (or at least not as early as you normally would). Also with many having secondary Typing it also gives options to how to form your team. Like if you want the psychic ladybug on your team you'll probably not pick Natu to be your bird or if you want Rufflet you may not pick Minccino (and from there you build your team around that or, if you come across another Pokemon you want to use, go back and choose another bug/bird/rodent till you get a team you like).
Would The Pikaclones Please Stand Up: The only past gen Pikaclone in Galar is Togedemaru. While I can understand them not including Plusle, Minun, & Pachirisu, but to also not include both or either Emolga & Dedenne is a bit surprising since they have secondary Types not shared by other Pikaclones. And considering Morpeko's gimmick having those two would emphasize the different secondary Types the recent batch of Pikaclones have had (Flying, Fairy, Steel, and now Dark).
Spore Alone: Morelull is the only Pokemon that knows Spore in Galar.
Leon Not Lion: Bit odd that the Litleo family is absent, especially with how lions are a notable heraldry symbol (not to mention the Champion's name is Leon which means "lion"). Heck, the only big cat I see is Liepard, Luxray is also absent.
Well, that's all I see with my causal eyes. Well, of course I see more, but nothing more than "oh that Pokemon was excluded/included?".
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I thought Morepeko was the Pika-Clone of this generation.
Right, made an addendum.
We don’t know if they have secondary typings.
It’s worth noting that they kept exactly one of those from every generation besides IV (I, VII, II, V, III, and VI, respectively.
So no more leaks until much closer to the sell date huh?
All Pokemon besides Mythicals (aka Mew + Melmetal) have been spoiled. The next step is probably spoiling story elements but for the most part we probably won't get anything else worth mentioning until the games are actually released.
I would expect to get a datamine for stats, items and abilities before release.
Forgive me if I missed something, but so far there is no confirmation for Alola variants right? In the previous game were those counted as a separate number in the Dex from their Kanto versions?
And I assume the same for Kanto/other original versions? Will we be able to get Kanto Weezing or Unovan Darmanitan?
Looks like at the minimum there will be some type of Persian though which I find odd. Kanto Mewoth & Persian seem to be included.
And I assume the same for Kanto/other original versions? Will we be able to get Kanto Weezing or Unovan Darmanitan?
Looks like at the minimum there will be some type of Persian though which I find odd. Kanto Mewoth & Persian seem to be included.
Yung Dramps
awesome gaming
In past games Alolan forms were listed as alternate forms of their base mons. For example, if you sorted the SM and USUM Pokedexes by region, all the Alolan forms were in the Kanto dex in the slots their base forms occupied.
Only if an actual copy of the game gets into the hands of a dataminer. Preloads can not currently be datamined.
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I think we'll more likely see things like screenshots of Pokemon stats or things from the guide book which we can use to get rough estimates of base stats. I hope I'm wrong but as far as I can see we won't be datamining anything until release.
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For the people worried about tiers not being able to be filled:
Keep in mind that in Gen 7's tiers, many BLs are the size of entire tiers. If the various lower tiers are less ban-happy, I'm sure we'll be able to stretch 400 Pokemon across 5 or 6 tiers.
Keep in mind that in Gen 7's tiers, many BLs are the size of entire tiers. If the various lower tiers are less ban-happy, I'm sure we'll be able to stretch 400 Pokemon across 5 or 6 tiers.
CTNC
Doesn't know how to attack
Unless someone very creditable has gotten their hands on these games, there's still a slim chance that data miners could debunk everything. If that happens, the chaos will be glorious and I'd savor every moment. It's probably real, but I just wanted to remind everyone and point out how hilarious it would be. >:D
Seriously though, the only reason I'm not preordering Shield yet is because "no third version" is based on the very real looking massive, but still unconfirmed, leak. Better paranoid than sorry. (If it is confirmed, please correct me.)
Something I can't believe no one's pointed out is Eternatus is the first Legendary Poison Type! (Not counting Arceus or Silvally. Omnitypes shouldn't be counted.) It took eight generations, but there's finally a Legendary for every type.
Edit: Also, RIP Staraptor's streak of being BL for every generation. It was impressive, but all good things must come to an end.
Seriously though, the only reason I'm not preordering Shield yet is because "no third version" is based on the very real looking massive, but still unconfirmed, leak. Better paranoid than sorry. (If it is confirmed, please correct me.)
Something I can't believe no one's pointed out is Eternatus is the first Legendary Poison Type! (Not counting Arceus or Silvally. Omnitypes shouldn't be counted.) It took eight generations, but there's finally a Legendary for every type.
Edit: Also, RIP Staraptor's streak of being BL for every generation. It was impressive, but all good things must come to an end.
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Leaker is detailing story leaks on 4chan atm. If anyone wants to compile those, go right ahead.
Gigantamax Copperajah is a thing. Design unknown.
Zamazenta's ability gives defense boost on battle start
Zacian's ability gives attack boost on battle start
Zamazenta's pure typed form is named Hero of Many Battles normally, and the added Steel-typed form is named Crowned Shield when holding the Rusted Shield item.
Zacian's ability gives attack boost on battle start
Zamazenta's pure typed form is named Hero of Many Battles normally, and the added Steel-typed form is named Crowned Shield when holding the Rusted Shield item.
Gigantamax Copperajah is a thing. Design unknown.
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Galar Meowth, Drednaw, Centiskorch, Toxtricity, Dragapult and Zacian.
Honor mentions: Appletun, Eiscue, Runerigus, Frosmoth, Duraludon and Arctozold. So probably my team ends with Arctozold or Frosmoth instead of Centiskorch
OH YES!!!! Haha
That hurt me.
They should be in. I think that if GF wants to bring variety to the competitive, aside of balance it, they should be in the game. At more strategies variety more competitive will be the game I think. Maybe I'm wrong, you know much much more than me of Pokemon xD
There are plans of making a NatDex metagame, but that will probably be an OM. Not sure if people will also consider tweaking movepools and abilities, especially if SwSh introduces new ones.
