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Pokemon that benefit the most from Dream World (They see me Update'n,)
- Thread starter DanielG
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Pikachu
Dream World Ability: Lightning Rod
Affects: Grants an Electric immunity while also boosting Special Attack
Pros: Light Ball Pikachu just became that much more deadly now that he's boasting close to 600 Special Attack. With Electric being a common attack, he'll find a lot of opportunities to switch in, sub up, and launch super powerful Thunderbolts.
Cons: He's still Pikachu, so he has weak defenses and a mediocre base speed of 90.
Overall: It can certainly find a niche like before, but it'll still be tricky.
I'll do more, but I just wanted to get this one out there.
Dream World Ability: Lightning Rod
Affects: Grants an Electric immunity while also boosting Special Attack
Pros: Light Ball Pikachu just became that much more deadly now that he's boasting close to 600 Special Attack. With Electric being a common attack, he'll find a lot of opportunities to switch in, sub up, and launch super powerful Thunderbolts.
Cons: He's still Pikachu, so he has weak defenses and a mediocre base speed of 90.
Overall: It can certainly find a niche like before, but it'll still be tricky.
I'll do more, but I just wanted to get this one out there.
Thing with this is, Sceptile doesn't need the speed really. It's base 120 is enough, if anything it could of benefitted more from Solar Power. Though I could see how a Petaya Berry set could work with Unburden, but still, it's an ability that I felt was wasted.
I'll add yours in with minor improvements, but good job!Pikachu
Dream World Ability: Lightning Rod
Affects: Grants an Electric immunity while also boosting Special Attack
Pros: Light Ball Pikachu just became that much more deadly now that he's boasting close to 600 Special Attack. With Electric being a common attack, he'll find a lot of opportunities to switch in, sub up, and launch super powerful Thunderbolts.
Cons: He's still Pikachu, so he has weak defenses and a mediocre base speed of 90.
Overall: It can certainly find a niche like before, but it'll still be tricky.
I'll do more, but I just wanted to get this one out there.
Dream World Ability: Lightningrod
Ability Characteristics:
All electric attacks are drawn to this pokemon plus when this pokemon gets hit by a electric attack its special attack gets boosted one stage.
All electric attacks are drawn to this pokemon plus when this pokemon gets hit by a electric attack its special attack gets boosted one stage.
Pros:
Whats not to like, switch into an electric and get special attacks boost. Thanks to this abilty zapdos can take any electric, get a free boost and then thanks to roost, recover his lost health. This ability puts zapdos into a whole new offensice category.
Whats not to like, switch into an electric and get special attacks boost. Thanks to this abilty zapdos can take any electric, get a free boost and then thanks to roost, recover his lost health. This ability puts zapdos into a whole new offensice category.
Cons:
Unfortunately Zapdos loses 25% health everytime it switches in, thanks to stealth rocks.Also if you want to run Zapdos defensively do not use this ability. Pressure is the better choice by far, thanks to it being able to make the enemy use up its moves pp.
Unfortunately Zapdos loses 25% health everytime it switches in, thanks to stealth rocks.Also if you want to run Zapdos defensively do not use this ability. Pressure is the better choice by far, thanks to it being able to make the enemy use up its moves pp.
Summary:
Zapdos has two great abilities. One to be offensive, one to be offensive. Thanks to those two abilities I can see his usuage rising.
Zapdos has two great abilities. One to be offensive, one to be offensive. Thanks to those two abilities I can see his usuage rising.
Typhlosion now can use Flash Fire Boosted Eruptions. I think it's worth a mention.
Thanks man, you are gonna be the very best. :naughty:
Dream World Ability: Lightningrod
Ability Characteristics:
All electric attacks are drawn to this pokemon plus when this pokemon gets hit by a electric attack its special attack gets boosted one stage.
Pros:
Whats not to like, switch into an electric and get special attacks boost. Thanks to this abilty zapdos can take any electric, get a free boost and then thanks to roost, recover his lost health. This ability puts zapdos into a whole new offensive category.
Cons:
Unfortunately Zapdos loses 25% health everytime it switches in, thanks to stealth rocks.Also if you want to run Zapdos defensively do not use this ability. Pressure is the better choice by far, thanks to it being able to make the enemy use up its moves pp.
Summary:
Zapdos has two great abilities. One to be offensive, one to be offensive. Thanks to those two abilities I can see his usuage rising.
@DanielG
My name is The King of Harts, not Kingdom of Harts, ya big silly.
Poliwrath
Dream World Ability: Swift Swim
Ability Characteristics: Doubles speed in Rain.
Pros: With access to Belly Drum, Poliwrath can now boost his attack to astronomical heights all the while having boosted speed as well in the what is soon to be common rain. Two great STABs grant nearly flawless coverage and his 90/95/90 defenses aren't to be taken lightly either. Resistances to Rock, Water, Dark, Ice, Bug, Ghost, and Steel will allow him to switch in quite easily and sub up for easier drumming.
Cons: Losing Water Absorb doesn't allow him to switch into water attacks as easy, but he still resists them and has decent Special Defense. Losing the free recovery isn't an issue since Belly Drum and Substitute will drain most his HP anyways.
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Mamoswine
Dream World Ability: Thick Fat
Ability Characteristics: Reduces the damage of Fire and Ice types by 50%, effectively giving it resistances to those types
Pros: He finally has a useful ability. He also loses what is probably his biggest weakness to Fire, and adds a useful resistance in Ice to considerably improve his bulk. Losing the Fire weakness most certainly improves his status as a Lead, and means less switching on Choice sets.
Cons: None since Snow Cloak was practically useless on him.
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Sceptile
Dream Wold Ability: Unburden
Ability Characteristics: Doubles speed when item is either consumed, lost or taken.
Pros: Sceptile becomes the fastest non-Scarfed Pokemon after it's item is used, and Fling makes the all the more possible. The combination of Fling and Swords Dance could prove to be quite deadly when paired with Earthquake and Leaf Blade. He can even take a page out of Empoleon's strategy guide and Sub/Swords Dance with a Salac Berry. Grass may not have great coverage, but 1770 Attack and 1017 Speed are not to be taken lightly.
Cons: None as Overgrow was never really taken advantage of thanks to Grass's poor coverage.
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Crawdaunt
Dream World Ability: Adaptability
Ability Characteristics: STAB attacks now receive a 2x boost instead of a 1.5.
Pros: With Rain becoming even more popular and Crabhammer's boost to 90 accuracy, Crawdaunt makes great use of his monstrous attack with Adaptability. He can now be terror in the hit-and-run game with a Choice Band, or he can stay and fight with Swords Dance, boosting his offensive prowess to godly levels. Adaptability takes the power of Crabhammer and Crunch to new heights and takes Crawdaunts usage with it.
Cons: Crawdaunt doesn't have the security of never having his Attack dropped by the likes of Intimidate, but Adaptability makes up for it.
My name is The King of Harts, not Kingdom of Harts, ya big silly.
Poliwrath
Dream World Ability: Swift Swim
Ability Characteristics: Doubles speed in Rain.
Pros: With access to Belly Drum, Poliwrath can now boost his attack to astronomical heights all the while having boosted speed as well in the what is soon to be common rain. Two great STABs grant nearly flawless coverage and his 90/95/90 defenses aren't to be taken lightly either. Resistances to Rock, Water, Dark, Ice, Bug, Ghost, and Steel will allow him to switch in quite easily and sub up for easier drumming.
Cons: Losing Water Absorb doesn't allow him to switch into water attacks as easy, but he still resists them and has decent Special Defense. Losing the free recovery isn't an issue since Belly Drum and Substitute will drain most his HP anyways.
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Mamoswine
Dream World Ability: Thick Fat
Ability Characteristics: Reduces the damage of Fire and Ice types by 50%, effectively giving it resistances to those types
Pros: He finally has a useful ability. He also loses what is probably his biggest weakness to Fire, and adds a useful resistance in Ice to considerably improve his bulk. Losing the Fire weakness most certainly improves his status as a Lead, and means less switching on Choice sets.
Cons: None since Snow Cloak was practically useless on him.
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Sceptile
Dream Wold Ability: Unburden
Ability Characteristics: Doubles speed when item is either consumed, lost or taken.
Pros: Sceptile becomes the fastest non-Scarfed Pokemon after it's item is used, and Fling makes the all the more possible. The combination of Fling and Swords Dance could prove to be quite deadly when paired with Earthquake and Leaf Blade. He can even take a page out of Empoleon's strategy guide and Sub/Swords Dance with a Salac Berry. Grass may not have great coverage, but 1770 Attack and 1017 Speed are not to be taken lightly.
Cons: None as Overgrow was never really taken advantage of thanks to Grass's poor coverage.
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Crawdaunt
Dream World Ability: Adaptability
Ability Characteristics: STAB attacks now receive a 2x boost instead of a 1.5.
Pros: With Rain becoming even more popular and Crabhammer's boost to 90 accuracy, Crawdaunt makes great use of his monstrous attack with Adaptability. He can now be terror in the hit-and-run game with a Choice Band, or he can stay and fight with Swords Dance, boosting his offensive prowess to godly levels. Adaptability takes the power of Crabhammer and Crunch to new heights and takes Crawdaunts usage with it.
Cons: Crawdaunt doesn't have the security of never having his Attack dropped by the likes of Intimidate, but Adaptability makes up for it.
Pokemon: Salamence
Dream World Ability: Earthquake Spiral/Arrogance/Overconfidence
Lv1: Fire Fang, Lv1: Thunder Fang, Lv1: Rage, Lv1: Bite, Lv1: Leer, Lv1: Headbutt, Lv5: Bite, Lv10: Leer, Lv16: Headbutt, Lv20: Focus Energy, Lv25: Ember, Lv30: Protect, Lv32: DragonBreath, Lv37: Zen Headbutt, Lv43: Scary Face, Lv50: Fly, Lv53: Crunch, Lv61: Dragon Claw, Lv70: Double-Edge, Lv80: [M525] Dragon Tail
TM01 - Claw Sharpen, TM02 - Dragon Claw, TM05 - Roar, TM06 - Toxic, TM10 - Hidden Power, TM11 - Sunny Day, TM15 - Hyper Beam, TM17 - Protect, TM18 - Rain Dance, TM21 - Frustration, TM26 - Earthquake, TM27 - Return, TM31 - Brick Break, TM32 - Double Team, TM35 - Flamethower, TM38 - Fire Blast , TM39 - Rock Tomb, TM40 - Aerial Ace, TM42 - Facade, TM44 - Rest, TM45 - Attract, TM48 - Troll, TM59 - Complete Burn, TM65 - Shadow Claw, TM68 - Giga Impact, TM71 - Stone Edge, TM78 - Smooth Over, TM80 - Rock Slide, TM82 - Dragon Tail, TM87 - Swagger, TM90 - Substitute, TM94 - Rock Smash, HM01 - Cut, HM02 - Fly, HM04 - Strength
Pros
Salamence now has two excellent abilities to choose from, and can help it sweep at a moment's notice. While Intimidate helps with switching in, Arrogance will allow Salamence to gain an attack boost once it KOs an enemy. This allows it to become a more effective mixed attacker, or potentially reach +2/+1 on the Dragon Dance set.
Cons
The loss of Outrage really hurts Salamence, as it is no longer a tutor move in Black and White. Unless it gets it via breeding, Salamence will have no choice but to resort to the inferior Dragon Claw. At least is isn't locked in, though!
Attack drop really isn't a con for Alakazam and Poison has no stat drop unless something changed... Paralysis is the only serious con.
I'm not sure I can agree that 90-power Drain Punch is silly, exactly. Maybe not better than Close Combat, but Blaziken is stronger on the physical powerhouse front now. Like Dragonite trying to compete with Salamence on Speed, I'm not sure Infernape wants to try to compete with Blaziken on power when it could be using its own unique moves instead, like Nasty Plot, U-Turn, Grass Knot, and now Drain Punch.
The best potential I see for Drain Punch is allowing Infernape to offset residual damage from spikes (of any kind), Sand Stream, and Life Orb recoil, keeping it just healthy enough to avoid the threat of revenge priority moves or being OHKOed by neutral-damage moves. In the absolute best-case scenario, Infernape recovers full health from a Blissey or half of its health from an Empoleon or Sazando or Heatran or something like that... But even if Infernape can only take off 30% HP from an opposing Pokemon by hitting a neutral attack, that's still ~15-17% healing (assuming enemy HP in the base 70-85 range), which outweighs one layer of Spikes and can offset Life Orb damage plus Sandstorm.
Little bits of healing here and there could allow it just one more attack than it would have otherwise gotten, which might be valuable. Obviously it's hard to say in theorymon, and Infernape's Flare Blitz boosted with Blaze is a pretty compelling reason to stick to Blaze (and another thing Blaziken can't do if it's using Speed Boost), but I wouldn't write off Drain Punch until it's been tried.
"Commission" and even better than 50%--it's 66% in sun.
lmitchell0012
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Hey guys, can we post a list somewhere of all the new abilities and what they do?? I haven't really been researching this that much, but I'm curious to know what new abilities like "encourage" do.
lmitchell0012
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I have to disagree with this comment. Blaziken isn't able to attack from the special side of things, because it doesn't get access to nasty plot like infernape. Plus, infernape is still able to abuse it's priority attacks (except now it can do so even better!). Blaziken got some cool upgrades, but I think that it will still be outclassed by infernape.
Edit: Sorry, didn't mean to double post. I thought that the first post didn't go through, so I just made a new one. I guess it did...
Not really related, but where are you guys getting the full TM list?
If TM01 is Claw Sharpen does that mean Focus Punch is no longer a TM?
Breloom won't like that.
EDIT: Found a list here:
http://www.gamespot.com/ds/rpg/pokemonds3/show_msgs.php?topic_id=m-1-56410771&pid=989552&page=0
does anyone else think zard will rise again?
i mean imagine this
drought ninetails lead, then switch to zard on something he will scare away, sets up a sub on the switch and then abuses life orb, fire blast, solar beam, and air slash? only thing is it still takes the 1/16 solar power damage, but thats not too bad
i mean imagine this
drought ninetails lead, then switch to zard on something he will scare away, sets up a sub on the switch and then abuses life orb, fire blast, solar beam, and air slash? only thing is it still takes the 1/16 solar power damage, but thats not too bad
Not sure if anyone did this already but...
Solar Power Fire Blast from Modest LO Charizard in the sun to Blissey: 53.5% - 63%
Damn.
Solar Power Fire Blast from Modest LO Charizard in the sun to Blissey: 53.5% - 63%
Damn.
Blissey would heal off the damage and have Zard hurting himself instead.
If Zard fires off a Fire Blast into the switch-in, it will not only KO almost anything, but also KO Blissey before it can attack. SpecsOgre does the same thing in Ubers.
Also, two things. On Poliwrath, SS boosts speed +2, not +1. @lmitchell0012: Blaziken also gets Vacuum Wave, to abuse priority, it hits harder off the bat on the special side (hitting switch-ins harder), and does learn SD while having higher attack than Infernape, so it does hit harder on the physical side, like Jiggy said.
EDIT: @SlyShady: What does Justice Heart do? I couldn't find it online. Also, how does Gliscor get Roost? Is there a new Move Tutor?
@The King of Harts: I don't think Sceptile with Unburden helps it very much, or at all, considering its already blazing speed.
@DanielG: When you say it's solved, do you mean that Gyarados does or doesn't get Earthquake Spiral?
@IcyMan28: O.o Salamence gets Earthquake Spiral? Jeez...
Also, if this turns into an article, I would be happy to proofread it. I've noticed quite a few grammatical errors in it.
thats still amazing for a special attack, and if blissy switches into zard while zard uses fire blast, thats a 2HKO for him, because he will outspeed and KO her with another fire blast
EDIT:I Was Ninja'd
Doesn't Blaziken also know baton pass? Like a Sweeper Ninjask.