Serious Political Correctness and Race

[Tmi489]

2nd post replies

Lots of people are not willing to listen or change their behaviour. Lots of people are not willing to think critically about their behaviour. But there are also people who are well-meaning, but just don't get it yet. And trying to explain something, hoping that those people will learn something, is always worth it.

however when you bring up the -ists and attack them (like PC culture does), they won't change

Even if someone would manage to avoid all ableist people, which is not possible... That doesn't erase the fact that there are movies like Rain Man, books like The Rosie Project and series like Atypical, made by non-autistic people,

latter problems like rosie project/atypical are also part through representation and not intentionally trying to discriminate
e: at least, i assume! association with autism speaks and the like negates

until I told her about my autism. When I told her, she started talking to me as if I was a child, explaining simple things and speaking extremely slowly. As you can understand, I was no longer interested in befriending her.

wouldn't this also be from PC culture?
they think they're being understanding, but they aren't. unaware that they're being condescending
also telling people about 'tism probably isn't good, maybe a sign that yes you are being oppressed but a reason why you're here

As someone who is also autistic, I have to say that this feels like a double standard. I constantly need to be "artificially nice," because most people expect things like eye contact and small talk topics that don't include Arbitrary Code glitches in video games. Doing this doesn't come naturally, it takes effort. And if I'm going to be constantly asked to put in extra effort when talking with people, I don't see the problem with expecting some effort out of other people when they are talking with me.

argh this is a problem of acceptance and for completely nonautistic cases (sexism, racism...) i sitll stand

I've actively been rejected by people after telling them I'm autistic. People who just treated me normally until I told them.

yeah i wasn't aware of a specific need to tell that they're autistic (assumption that they weren't)

First of all, not every autistic person has every autistic trait. Some are more social than others. And not all autistic people stim, or stim in an obvious way. I don't really stim. And a friend of mine sometimes stims by softly tapping a pen or a stim toy, but she always makes sure to not make any loud noises. She hides it very well, especially around non-autistic people. How is that antisocial?

reponse snipped due to forum rules and being wrong. sorry!

Gonna call you out on this one because that is "100% bs". I've straight up lost job opportunities over my autism because of sociopathic employers who think my high functioning autism made me unable to work the job. In the UK, this is illegal under discrimination laws (specifically if you reject on disability alone), and I've reported every single one successfully. I've even seen this with friends.

Not to mention Autism Speaks is an organisation that exists and has been thoroughly discredited. Hell, it may as we be a hate group at this point. I suggest doing some research on that one, they willfully ignore basic facts and science to push an agenda that autism is some kind of pandemic rather than your brain being wired differently.

well i was wrong and that's literally illegal

yeah ik about autism speaks and how it sucks
more nuanced thoughts later on a seperate reply

And about calling out other people... I don't think there's anything wrong witht hat. If someone believes they have a right to free speech, and the right to say sexist things, for example... Then feminists also have a right to free speech and are allowed to call them out for saying sexist things. If someone believes they have the right to be racist because of a right to free speech... Then don't complain if anti-racists call you out. That's also free speech.

ok yeah i agree with the sentiement BUT don't like the culture and it's still toxic

 

[Plague von Karma]

Non-autistics are judged on their own merits; it they aren't empathetic, they get called out for it
many autistic traits are antisocial and if a nonautist has them then i'd expect them to be called out if they revealed them somehow

Once again, you're completely wrong, and frankly, come off as astoundingly ignorant. Autism is an umbrella of much more than being simply antisocial, and links between autism and a lack of empathy are vague at best. It's extremely inconsistent because autism itself is such. Autism can certainly cause antisocial problems, but this can be so many things that may not even be outwardly visible. It can be not understanding social cues, not getting sarcasm, issues with tone in voice, and more.

However, there are autistic people who lack any of these, can socialise fine, and simply suffer from something different on the spectrum. It's not strictly restricted to socialising, nor would I even say "many" of the problems are even with it. What you're describing would be something akin to Asperger's, which is a common but specific type of autism. Even here, it's still inconsistent as to how many "antisocial" traits are actually in play for each individual.

Please, I implore you to actually sit down and do research here.

 

[Bayleef030]

latter problems like rosie project/atypical are also part through representation and not intentionally trying to discriminate

Whether it's intentional or not, that shit spreads stereotypes. People who don't know a lot about autism and read/see it will believe that that's what most/all autistic people are like.

First of all, this is wrong. Most autistic people are not like those fictional characters. Those characters are just a collection of overused tropes and stereotypes, all thrown in one character.

Second, even if someone does match the stereotype, they deserve just as much respect as someone who doesn't.

But anyways, the stereotypes spread by this kind of fiction does affect autistic people's lives. Potential employers, dates, friends, colleagues, fellow students etc. might be influenced by it if they see/read it or hear about it. And this will change their attitude towards autistic people.

Whether that's what the author of The Rosie Project and the creator of Atypical want or not, this happens. Whether the director of Rain Man wanted autistic people to suffer because of the stereotypes and myths that movie has popularized or not, it happened and still happens.

pewds said it in rage, and did not mean it to be offensive, yet he was still hit. if the word itself (not the sentiment)
people want to (be able to) say it... more so because they don't want to be cancelled/harmfully effected if they did, despite not meaning it.

Whether he means to be offensive or not, saying that word is offensive and hurts people. People should just not say it. Language matters. Words have a certain impact on other people, whether you like it or not.

such as the fact that people actively look out for -ist things in non problematic media (as i edited in)

Maybe those media aren't always as non-problematic as the majority thinks. Maybe in the future, more people will realize that people who point '-ist things' out might've been right all along.

Non-autistics are judged on their own merits; it they aren't empathetic, they get called out for it
many autistic traits are antisocial and if a nonautist has them then i'd expect them to be called out if they revealed them somehow

Non-autistics are judged on their own merits. Indeed. And autistic people are judged for being autistic. People will link every little thing we say or do to our autism.

And instead of constantly calling people, autistic or non-autistic, out for something they can't help... Just accept people the way they are, and accept that some people have flaws? And some things that are often perceived as flaws... Are they really flaws, or are people judging someone for doing something that doesn't really hurt others? Just because something isn't seen as 'normal' doesn't mean it's wrong.

Live and let live, unless someone is really nasty and harmful towards others? For example, you mentioned stimming... Instead of telling someone to stop stimming, you can also just try to ignore it and not pay too much attention to it.

well i was wrong and that's literally illegal

Illegal or not, it still happens. And employers often don't say it literally, but come up with some kind of excuse, so most of the time, you can't outright prove that they rejected you because of your autism...

ok yeah i agree with the sentiement BUT don't like the culture and it's still toxic

You know what's toxic? Racism. Sexism. Homophobia. Ableism. Transphobia. That is way more toxic than the people who call others out for it.

And again, if someone feels like free speech allows them to say racist things, it's also free speech to call them out for it.

Once again, you're completely wrong, and frankly, come off as astoundingly ignorant. Autism is an umbrella of much more than being simply antisocial, and links between autism and a lack of empathy are vague at best. It's extremely inconsistent because autism itself is such. Autism can certainly cause antisocial problems, but this can be so many things that may not even be outwardly visible. It can be not understanding social cues, not getting sarcasm, issues with tone in voice, and more.

However, there are autistic people who lack any of these, can socialise fine, and simply suffer from something different on the spectrum. It's not strictly restricted to socialising, nor would I even say "many" of the problems are even with it. What you're describing would be something akin to Asperger's, which is a common but specific type of autism. Even here, it's still inconsistent as to how many "antisocial" traits are actually in play for each individual.

Please, I implore you to actually sit down and do research here.

Indeed! The 'autism = unempathetic' myth has been disproven in plenty of research, after autistic people have been saying that for many years. Sadly, most people still believe it, both because of bullshit researchers like Simon-Baron Cohen (Borat's nevue) and because of bad media representation like Rain Man, Atypical and The Rosie Project popularizing stereotypes.

Personally, I don't match the stereotype, but that doesn't mean I'm not autistic. 'Lack of empathy' is not one of the diagnostic criteria. Sadly, it is still seen as an autistic trait by many people, because of bullshit stereotypes. :(

My best friend and girlfriend, both autistic, are extremely empathetic and are also perfectly able to express it. Does that make them any less autistic? No.

People often think all autistic people are the same... But we're not. I know some autistic people who fit lots of stereotypes and autistic people who fit only a few or basically none of them.

 

[Atha]

I believe that political correctness is the result of the relentless (and fruitful) effort of the mainstream media to divert the people's attention from serious subjects, especially social demands and the struggle against parasitic oligarchic power, to subjects where pathos and conceptual emptiness reign (BLM, Trans rights, etc.). This phenomenon is at its paroxysm in the United States, France, the United Kingdom and Germany, countries where banking power is most quietly installed, and where it has the greatest control over politics and the media.

Trump's election and the rise of "populisms" in Europe (even if these camps are themselves sometimes, and increasingly, financed by the banking power, which is not stupid and tries to make this movement its own) are proof of a certain awareness, often confused but at least existing, that there is something unhealthy behind the Western democracies.

 

[CamelMan302]

I believe that political correctness is the result of the relentless (and fruitful) effort of the mainstream media to divert the people's attention from serious subjects, especially social demands and the struggle against parasitic oligarchic power, to subjects where pathos and conceptual emptiness reign (BLM, Trans rights, etc.). This phenomenon is at its paroxysm in the United States, France, the United Kingdom and Germany, countries where banking power is most quietly installed, and where it has the greatest control over politics and the media.

Trump's election and the rise of "populisms" in Europe (even if these camps are themselves sometimes, and increasingly, financed by the banking power, which is not stupid and tries to make this movement its own) are proof of a certain awareness, often confused but at least existing, that there is something unhealthy behind the Western democracies.

what's propagandic about supporting black lives against police brutality?
what's propagandic about supporting about not being discriminated for.... living the life you want to live.

What books did you read on the subject? Surely if you make such a claim you need to back it up with scources by people who study this for a living.

the only thing Populists can do is embarrass themselves, let's be honest with ourselves.

 

[Atha]

what's propagandic about supporting black lives against police brutality?
what's propagandic about supporting about not being discriminated for.... living the life you want to live.

What books did you read on the subject? Surely if you make such a claim you need to back it up with scources by people who study this for a living.

the only thing Populists can do is embarrass themselves, let's be honest with ourselves.

I don't claim that these fights are useless, that's not the point. I claim that they are promoted by an oligarchic banking power that has an interest in the class struggle being replaced by the struggle of the communities. It is no longer the rich who oppress the weak in this vision, but only minorities who demand rights. In other words, the real political struggle, which is a vertical struggle of the weak against the strong, is replaced by a horizontal struggle, of the weak against the weak. This is what mainstream media propaganda is all about: replacing serious struggles with horizontal struggles.

And the division in society, which the horizontal struggles claim to resolve, is in fact maintained by them ; because they make everyone believe that politics is the defense by each minority of its interests. The United States as seen by CNN is not a united people : it is blacks, LGBTs, trumpist conservative bastards, etc. who are all pulling the rug out from under them (if that makes sense in english). It would be a real shame if they were a united people against those who want to harm them...

Unfortunately most of the books I have read on the subject are in French, but the clearest and most synthetic one is Comprendre l'Empire by Alain Soral (I think it is available in English, but I am not sure) (déso les français qui lisent ça mais Soral a raison). Otherwise I invite you to read Karl Marx, who brilliantly predicted all these excesses, and in the English moderns (I'm sure there are many, but I read this one), I invite you to read Christopher Lasch (all his books), who is one of the best contemporary critics of capitalism. More provocatively, Trump himself has said so many times for those who have the decency to listen to him honestly.

 

[Tmi489]

what's propagandic about supporting black lives against police brutality?
what's propagandic about supporting about not being discriminated for.... living the life you want to live.

its the fact that its being/was the main (or otherwise larger) focus of the media (and not on "actual" problems)
blm for instance was made up to be huge and idk if the media didnt help it so much

activism to stop racism is *somewhat* easier than other forms of activism, an easy witch hunt
e: propaganda can be used for good causes (but still is a bad technique), like WW1-2 (any war, really)

 

[atomicllamas]

While I agree that many of these issues serve to divide the working class, you are looking at it backwards. Political correctness as a term is right wing propaganda to make working class straight/white/Christian people to vote against their own economic interest by playing on their tribalism and internal biases. It would probably be easier to unify the working class politically without any focus on “special interests” (human rights for BIPOC, lgbtq+, women, etc.), but it’s absolutely ridiculous to expect those people to not speak up when they are dealing with centuries of discrimination often times rooted in those same economic systems. The problem isn’t that BLM is protesting police brutality, the problem is that Fox News and talk radio tells it’s viewers that black people are “thugs” and “welfare queens” (s/o Nixon and Reagan), and their viewers believe that they deserved to be killed. The problem isn’t Pride, the problem is these people believing someone celebrating their identity is an affront to theirs. Atha i think one of the issues the left has is that people like you act like every day experiences of minorities in this country (religious, racial, or gsm) are a distraction from the flaws in our economic system rather than derived from or exacerbated by that system. We’re in a thread about “political correctness”, a right wing propaganda term used to deride the victims of oppression in society as whiners more or less, and you’re calling BLM propaganda. Gotta give the right wing credit for being super effective at using propaganda to craft their narrative at least, they even got you to buy it. The problem isn’t BLM or even CNN (regardless of the fact CNN is shit). The problem is Fox News and talk radio telling poor straight white people that things getting 20% better for other people and 15% better for them is a bad thing, and them believing it.

 

[Tmi489]

but it’s absolutely ridiculous to expect those people to not speak up when they are dealing with centuries of discrimination often times rooted in those same economic systems.

(part of the problem is that PC culture in of itself doesn't really change anything. they fight against use of speech but not actual racism. there are people who are and that's great but idt its PC)

The problem isn’t Pride, the problem is these people believing someone celebrating their identity is an affront to theirs.

And why can't you celebrate "white power"? (or *insert European culture here* which is a more legitimate arguement)
*because a history of oppression and dogwhistling and all that ik but its a convincing point

Atha i think one of the issues the left has is that people like you act like every day experiences of minorities in this country (religious, racial, or gsm) are a distraction from the flaws in our economic system rather than derived from or exacerbated by that system. We’re in a thread about “political correctness”, a right wing propaganda term used to deride the victims of oppression in society as whiners more or less, and you’re calling BLM propaganda.

i'm in general belief that the majority of systems are equal *enough* to gender and race and im gonna get roasted because of the 100's of examples
can't really argue how much people are being oppressed

 

[atomicllamas]

And why can't you celebrate "white power"? (or *insert European culture here* which is a more legitimate arguement)
*because a history of oppression and dogwhistling and all that ik but its a convincing point

You absolutely can celebrate pride in your specific ethnic heritage if you’re white? There are parades on St. Patrick’s day that are about Irish pride, events celebrating German heritage, etc. No one cares, that’s fine. “White pride” is problematic because there isn’t a white culture, it’s just a skin tone. It’s the same for white people as it is for Asian people, who also have events celebrating their specific ethnic heritage, but I’ve never heard of Asian pride. “White power” is even more problematic because it’s a reactive slogan created by white supremacists to advance their cause of disenfranchising and destroying POC. The reason it is different for black Americans is that many don’t have the luxury of knowing those specific details given the history of the United States. Black pride exists because due to the, again, centuries of oppression in the United States and the Americas as a whole, they do have a distinct culture and history. So yeah it’s a compelling point, but only if you ignore literally all historical context and buy into the false victim narrative that you aren’t allowed to have pride in your heritage if you’re white pushed to engender sympathy for white supremacists.

 

[Atha]

While I agree that many of these issues serve to divide the working class, you are looking at it backwards. Political correctness as a term is right wing propaganda to make working class straight/white/Christian people to vote against their own economic interest by playing on their tribalism and internal biases. It would probably be easier to unify the working class politically without any focus on “special interests” (human rights for BIPOC, lgbtq+, women, etc.), but it’s absolutely ridiculous to expect those people to not speak up when they are dealing with centuries of discrimination often times rooted in those same economic systems. The problem isn’t that BLM is protesting police brutality, the problem is that Fox News and talk radio tells it’s viewers that black people are “thugs” and “welfare queens” (s/o Nixon and Reagan), and their viewers believe that they deserved to be killed. The problem isn’t Pride, the problem is these people believing someone celebrating their identity is an affront to theirs. Atha i think one of the issues the left has is that people like you act like every day experiences of minorities in this country (religious, racial, or gsm) are a distraction from the flaws in our economic system rather than derived from or exacerbated by that system. We’re in a thread about “political correctness”, a right wing propaganda term used to deride the victims of oppression in society as whiners more or less, and you’re calling BLM propaganda. Gotta give the right wing credit for being super effective at using propaganda to craft their narrative at least, they even got you to buy it. The problem isn’t BLM or even CNN (regardless of the fact CNN is shit). The problem is Fox News and talk radio telling poor straight white people that things getting 20% better for other people and 15% better for them is a bad thing, and them believing it.

I think we disagree on the origin of the propaganda, and it shows since you don't talk about it at any point in your post. I explained earlier that there are people in this country (and in others) who have a vested interest in promoting struggles between communities and relegating social struggles to second place, and you tell me that in fact the struggle against "political correctness" is right-wing propaganda ?? The right-left divide is part of this system of horizontal struggle installed in your country.

What I am trying to show is that BLM and political correctness, as much as the blind struggle against political correctness, serve to nourish horizontal struggles in the United States. To take the example of France, which I know better, the capitalist elites who hold the country have an interest both in favoring massive immigration as well as antiracism, and in promulgating the fight against it and the hate towards immigrants ; for both of these things participate in the division of the country. Two contradictory theses can serve the same group of people. Saying "political correctness is everywhere, you can't talk seriously about politics anymore without falling into pathos because of these SJW morons", or saying "the concept of political correctness is right-wing propaganda to attract white heterosexual working-class voters to it", both serve the substitution of vertical struggles for horizontal struggles. Political correctness is as much crap as saying that SJWs are retarded, because it divides the American people (or at least it does it the wrong way).
I'm not left-wing by the way, if I had to choose it'd be right wing for sure ; but thank God I don't have to choose.

 

[Sultan]

I claim that they are promoted by an oligarchic banking power that has an interest in the class struggle being replaced by the struggle of the communities.

What is it with people on this site and promoting anti-Semitic conspiracy theories?

 

[Atha]

What is it with people on this site and promoting anti-Semitic conspiracy theories?

What is it on this site with refusing to debate because you decided you knew the truth before even talking with people ?

 

[atomicllamas]

I think we disagree on the origin of the propaganda, and it shows since you don't talk about it at any point in your post. I explained earlier that there are people in this country (and in others) who have a vested interest in promoting struggles between communities and relegating social struggles to second place, and you tell me that in fact the struggle against "political correctness" is right-wing propaganda ?? The right-left divide is part of this system of horizontal struggle installed in your country.

What I am trying to show is that BLM and political correctness, as much as the blind struggle against political correctness, serve to nourish horizontal struggles in the United States. To take the example of France, which I know better, the capitalist elites who hold the country have an interest both in favoring massive immigration as well as antiracism, and in promulgating the fight against it and the hate towards immigrants ; for both of these things participate in the division of the country. Two contradictory theses can serve the same group of people. Saying "political correctness is everywhere, you can't talk seriously about politics anymore without falling into pathos because of these SJW morons", or saying "the concept of political correctness is right-wing propaganda to attract white heterosexual working-class voters to it", both serve the substitution of vertical struggles for horizontal struggles. Political correctness is as much crap as saying that SJWs are retarded, because it divides the American people (or at least it does it the wrong way).
I'm not left-wing by the way, if I had to choose it'd be right wing for sure ; but thank God I don't have to choose.

Political correctness is a nebulous term that means different things to different people. My point is that BLM and people who worry about political correctness are, in the US at least, already politically aligned with groups that actually give a shit about addressing “vertical” issues. Me stating that political correctness is a propaganda tool pushed by the right wing media in order to mobilize white working class people to vote against their own economic interest is a fact. Someone saying, “political correctness is everywhere, you can't talk seriously about politics anymore without falling into pathos because of these SJW morons” is in and of itself pathos, and an opinion.

Makes sense that you sympathize with the right I guess, “them minorities need to stop being so uppity” is a the right wing talking point anyways.

 

[Atha]

Political correctness is a nebulous term that means different things to different people. My point is that BLM and people who worry about political correctness are, in the US at least, already politically aligned with groups that actually give a shit about addressing “vertical” issues. Me stating that political correctness is a propaganda tool pushed by the right wing media in order to mobilize white working class people to vote against their own economic interest is a fact. Someone saying, “political correctness is everywhere, you can't talk seriously about politics anymore without falling into pathos because of these SJW morons” is in and of itself pathos, and an opinion.

I don't understand how this addresses my point. So we agree then right ?
I'm not saying no one cares about vertical issues, I'm saying they're held back by the minorities claiming their rights while it should be the contrary. I'm not saying “them minorities need to stop being so uppity”, as national unity is probably my main concern ; I'm saying that we shouldn't be focusing on that so much.

 

[Luck O' the Irish]

I'm saying they're held back by the minorities claiming their rights while it should be the contrary.

yeah bro those damn minorities just constantly getting in the way of real progress. like NATIONAL UNITY - the real solution to all problems cause by capitalist oligarchies

 

[vonFiedler]

Atha I have an important question for you and I think we all want an honest answer.

You suggest reading Marx, and talk about "global banking powers" being the source behind divides between lower class people. Therefore, does it stand to reason that you are anti-capitalist (the concept, not "the elites")? And if not, exactly what do you want the news to be focusing on? I guess either way, what is your end goal as a supposed right wing marxist.

 

[Crux]

There is no such thing as a right wing Marxist and Atha has very clearly not actually read Marx

 

[Atha]

yeah bro those damn minorities just constantly getting in the way of real progress. like NATIONAL UNITY - the real solution to all problems cause by capitalist oligarchies

The fact that minorities are constantly at the forefront demanding their rights has the result of dividing society. The fact that an action has the opposite effect of what is intended is not contradictory, and that is exactly what happens with all these demands. Or you can explain to me how the BLM protests (or riots I don't know) promote the unity of the American nation. Changing mentalities is a long term process that should be encouraged when it's for good, but it shouldn't constantly surpass the most important struggles.

Atha I have an important question for you and I think we all want an honest answer.

You suggest reading Marx, and talk about "global banking powers" being the source behind divides between lower class people. Therefore, does it stand to reason that you are anti-capitalist (the concept, not "the elites")? And if not, exactly what do you want the news to be focusing on? I guess either way, what is your end goal as a supposed right wing marxist.

I am not anti-capitalist (the concept), I am against the current drifts (started in the 20th century) of capitalism, i.e. the inversion of the balance of power between the political (defense of the weak) and the financial (search for profit, in essence separated from any social consideration); the speculative drift of the bank, which now, and exclusively, lends money that doesn't exist, with interest, even to the States.
I don't want the media to focus on something specific, I want them to stop focusing on specific things.

My ultimate goal is to empower a legitimate and benevolent elite.


edit : Shiiit I just learnt that I didn't read Marx ! Damn what do I know then

 

[Sultan]

What is it on this site with refusing to debate because you decided you knew the truth before even talking with people ?

Jewish control of banks has been a wide stereotype for centuries and claiming an elite cabal of bankers is controlling everything has been a dog whistle for an international Jewish conspiracy. Your post goes further into antisemitic claims, like claiming that is responsible for minorities gaining rights echoes conspiracies that Jews are responsible for miscegenation and mass immigration. When you're regurgitating propaganda that has been used by Nazis to justify the Holocaust, maybe you should reconsider your beliefs.

 

[Myzozoa]

The fact that minorities are constantly at the forefront demanding their rights has the result of dividing society. The fact that an action has the opposite effect of what is intended is not contradictory, and that is exactly what happens with all these demands. Or you can explain to me how the BLM protests (or riots I don't know) promote the unity of the American nation. Changing mentalities is a long term process that should be encouraged when it's for good, but it shouldn't constantly surpass the most important struggles.

it 'unifies society' because when minorities are oppressed and not given full rights they are necessarily alienated and othered. nothing could be more laughable than the idea that the existence of minorities who are disenfranchised and thus demanding rights is divisive, it is the effect of rightwing propaganda that claims that status quo is just, that is divisive in the first place. in addition, the struggle for rights is necessarily a 'vertical struggle' because it is profitable for the capitalist for there to be marginalized populations as the existence of this population drives wages down overall because they are exploitable. it is entirely incorrect to claim that this struggle is horizontal, it is the goal of right-wing propaganda to promote a horizontal struggle where whites oppose policies that would benefit them because they have been taught to hate minorities.

 

[Luck O' the Irish]

The fact that minorities are constantly at the forefront demanding their rights has the result of dividing society. The fact that an action has the opposite effect of what is intended is not contradictory, and that is exactly what happens with all these demands. Or you can explain to me how the BLM protests (or riots I don't know) promote the unity of the American nation. Changing mentalities is a long term process that should be encouraged when it's for good, but it shouldn't constantly surpass the most important struggles.

I WHOLEHEARTEDLY AGREE IF BLACK PEOPLE JUST STOPPED BITCHING ABOUT HOW OUR HARDWORKING POLICE OFFICERS WERENT CONSTANTLY MURDERING THEM WITH COMICALLY LOW ACCOUNTABILITY AND ALSO HOW THEY ARE INCARCERATED FOR LONGER PERIODS OF TIME FOR THE SAME OFENCES AND ALSO HOW THEY HAVE BEEN HISTORICALLY DENIED EQUITY BY THE STATE THROUGH PRACTICES LIKE REDLINING THE UNITED STATES WOULD BE WAY BETTER OF FOR IT

 

[Myzozoa]

I’ll stop posting here because
1) I’m losing my time
2) I got infracted for no good reason

Read about all this though, you might learn some stuff.

strange how this happens at the exact moment when it becomes clear that what you've asserted is incoherent or else hateful.

the only way what you're saying makes any sense is if you assert that the US is a settler colonial society where white ppl are to be empowered to exploit non white people as a serf/slave class, and that France is a colonial nation-state of white french people are meant to be the class empowered by the state apparatus to rule over an underclass of minorities, but then there can be no talk of a 'just elite' or really justice in any meaningful sense, but it would make sense to speak of 'dividing society' in the way you have. but then why should you not be infracted honestly? it's 2020, there is no reason to engage with this viewpoint in a serious way or in any way that talks about a notion of justice, since I think we know by now that there is no real truth or 'good' in this way of thinking.

 

[vonFiedler]

This thread isn't serving as much more than a buglight of sorts right now, so I'm gonna redirect y'all to https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/solving-racial-issues.3671641/ and see if we can get some more interesting discussion there.