Gen 3 Porygon2 (OU) [QC 2/2] [GP 0/2]

[OVERVIEW]

Above all, Porygon2's main function is trapping Dugtrio in order to allow grounded attackers to shine. Next, thanks to great bulk, solid Special Attack, and BoltBeam coverage, Porygon2 is able to counter dangerous sweepers, namely Salamence and Gyarados. In conclusion, Porygon2 is a unique Pokemon with some potential.

[SET]
name: Standard
move 1: Recover
move 2: Ice Beam
move 3: Thunderbolt / Thunder / Toxic
move 4: Thunder Wave / Toxic
item: Leftovers
ability: Trace
nature: Bold
evs: 252 HP / 200 Def / 56 SpD

[SET COMMENTS]
Set Description
=========

Recover makes it hard to wear down Porygon2. Ice Beam lets Porygon2 take on Pokemon such as Dugtrio, Salamence, and Flygon. Thunderbolt or Thunder does some damage to Skarmory and turns Porygon2 into one of the best Gyarados counters in ADV OU. The raw power and paralysis rate of Thunder can be helpful, but the accuracy of Thunderbolt is more reliable. Toxic hits common targets such as Tyranitar. Thunder Wave cripples threats like Jirachi, Jolteon, and Aerodactyl. Using a set with double status is a viable option because an Electric-type attacking move is not very useful on teams with Magneton.

The physical bulk investment allows Porygon2 to avoid being 2HKOed by Adamant Dugtrio's Earthquake in sand, which is important because Porygon2 cannot guarantee OHKO on Dugtrio with Ice Beam. A more offensive spread can be used as well. For example, an EV spread of 252 HP / 192 Def / 64 SpA with a Modest nature allows Porygon2 to guarantee OHKO on 8 HP / 40 SpD Dugtrio with Ice Beam. However, this makes Porygon2 not bulky enough, thus taking the risk of being worn down by Pokemon such as Salamence and Aerodactyl more easily.

Team Options
========

Porygon2 fits on Calm Mind spam teams, on which key threats such as offensive Celebi, Jirachi, and the rare Raikou utilize Porygon2 to trap Dugtrio. Dugtrio itself appreciates opposing Dugtrio being removed because it can click Hidden Power Bug and Aerial Ace without worrying about being revenge trapped. Another reason is that the combination of Porygon2 and Dugtrio checks Salamence, Tyranitar, and Flygon, allowing a team to use a more offensive check to them like Suicune. Meanwhile, with support from Porygon2, Heracross, Tyranitar, Magneton, Starmie, and offensive Swampert can play freely. In return, they can deal with Porygon2's counters such as Snorlax, Metagross, and Jirachi.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
=============

Rain Dance can be used to reset weather for Pokemon such as Salac Berry Heracross. Hidden Power Fire does significant damage to Forretress and hits Metagross a bit. Hidden Power Fighting pressures Tyranitar. Sharpen can be used to set up on Dugtrio, and then attempt to sweep the opposing team with boosted STAB Return. However, it is not useful in matchups where Dugtrio isn't present. Even if Porygon2 manages to set up, there are still numerous things that can stop it.

Checks and Counters
===================

Pokemon like Snorlax, Substitute Jirachi, and Metagross that don't care too much about Porygon2's attacks or status moves are solid counters to it. Snorlax and Substitute Jirachi can set up on Porygon2 with Curse and Calm Mind, respectively, while Metagross hits it hard with its STAB Meteor Mash. Forretress can lay Spikes on Porygon2 quite easily. Tyranitar does not appreciate Porygon2's status moves, but it can generally do much damage to Porygon2, especially if it can hit Porygon2 with Focus Punch. Although Dragon Dance Tyranitar is not a check, it can set up while absorbing status with Lum Berry, which is dangerous because Porygon2 is frequently used as setup fodder on offensive teams with frail defensive backbones. Although Blissey is easily forced out by Toxic, it can click Toxic, Thunder Wave, or the rare Sing to make Porygon2 rather useless. Suicune takes much damage from Porygon2's Thunderbolt or Thunder when its Special Defense isn't boosted, but if it is, Suicune can set up on Porygon2. Celebi can easily pivot in, shrug off damage by using Recover, and switch out to prevent status from laying on whatever is coming in except a right prediction. Baton Pass + Calm Mind / Swords Dance Celebi can also set up on it. Fighting-type Pokemon such as Heracross, Machamp, and Hariyama threaten Porygon2 with their STAB moves and don't take much damage from Porygon2's moves. Finally, although Porygon2 has potential to remove status by getting Natural Cure via Trace, it is otherwise quite afraid of status, which severely hinders its ability to do its job.

[CREDITS]
- Written by: [[wyc2333, 336830]]
- Quality checked by: [[vapicuno, 5454], [Triangles, 118250]]
- Grammar checked by: [[, ], [, ]]
 
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move 1: Ice Beam
move 2: Thunderbolt / Thunder / Toxic
move 3: Thunder Wave / Toxic
move 4: Recover

Worth mentioning double status because Tbolt P2 is not that useful on Mag teams.
 

vapicuno

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Sorry to be picky, but I think emphasis of P2 should be trapping Dugtrio, and the first line of the intro should talk about that.
 

vapicuno

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Good work wyc! My comments are mostly in blue. I've also highlighted in red stuff regarding Modest Porygon2 EVs. I'm for the Modest 64 SpA spread, but I'm not too familiar with Modest P2, so I would prefer if the second QCer (probably going to be Triangles) weigh in as well.

QC 1/2

[OVERVIEW]

Above all, Porygon2's ability, Trace, gives it cool tricks such as blanking Claydol's Earthquake, absorbing Jolteon's Thunderbolt, stealing Natural Cure, and most importantly, trapping Dugtrio. Next, thanks to great bulk, solid Special Attack, and Boltbeam coverage, Porygon2 is able to counter dangerous sweepers, namely Salamence and Gyarados. In conclusion, Porygon2 is a unique Pokemon with some potential.

Sorry for being so persistent about this, but I'm still dissatisfied with the introduction because I think the important things should go first, and Claydol's Earthquake is not the most important thing. I really think you can directly start off this intro with something like "Porygon2's main function is trapping Dugtrio, allowing grounded physical offenses like Heracross/Tyranitar/Metagross or special offenses like Celebi/Jirachi to shine."

[SET]
name: Standard
move 1: Recover
move 2: Ice Beam
move 3: Thunderbolt / Thunder / Toxic
move 4: Thunder Wave / Toxic
item: Leftovers
ability: Trace
nature: Bold
evs: 252 HP / 200 Def / 56 SpD

[SET COMMENTS]
Set Description
=========
Recover makes it hard to wear down Porygon2. Ice Beam takes on Pokemon such as Dugtrio, Salamence, and Flygon. An Electric-type attacking move does some damage to Skarmory and turns Porygon2 into one of the best Gyarados counters in ADV OU. The raw power and paralysis rate of Thunder can be helpful, but the accuracy of Thunderbolt is more reliable. Toxic hits common targets such as Tyranitar. Thunder Wave cripples threats like Jirachi, Jolteon, and Aerodactyl. Using a set with double status is a viable option because an Electric-type attacking move is not very useful on teams with Magneton.

You can casually mention that Thunder 1hkos Gyarados.

The physical bulk gives Porygon2 enough wiggle room against Adamant Dugtrio's Earthquake to do its primary job and allows it to easily counter threats like Salamence and Gyarados. A more offensive spread can be used as well. For example, 252 HP / 148 Def / 108 SpA with a Modest nature allows Porygon2 to guarantee OHKO on 68 HP Gyarados with Thunderbolt. However, this makes Porygon2 not bulky enough.

To be specific, the EVs allow p2 to survive two Earthquakes (or a critical hit) from Dugtrio under sand, which is important since Dugtrio cannot KO with Ice Beam for sure. I think the fact that you mentioned Modest P2 is a good idea, but I'm not sure about Modest P2 EVs, so I'll defer to Triangles on that. I would think 64 SpA, Max HP, rest in Def would be okay for KOing up to 8 HP/40 SpD Dugtrios (Raikou bulk), but we'll see if someone has a better spread. That Gyarados is really outdated, so I wouldn't think the 108 SpA spread is particularly important.

Team Options
========
Porygon2 fits on Calm Mind Spam, on which key threats such as offensive Celebi and Jirachi prefer Porygon2 to trap Dugtrio. Dugtrio itself appreciates an opposing Dugtrio being removed because it can click Rock Slide, Hidden Power Bug, and Aerial Ace without worrying about being trapped. Meanwhile, with support from Porygon2, Heracross, Tyranitar, Magneton, and Metagross can play freely. In return, they can deal with Porygon2's counters such as Snorlax.

Other stuff on CM spam like Raikou and Suicune to some extent also like Dug gone. Another reason Dugtrio is a nice partner is that the P2+Dug combination checks Salamence + Tyranitar + Flygon, removing the need for a bulky water, allowing the team to use a more offensive check like Metagross or Suicune. Remove mention of Rock Slide, it's the least important thing on Dug. Change trapped to revenge-trapped. Other pokemon that appreciate Dugtrio gone are Starmie and offensive Swampert.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
=============
Rain Dance can be used to reset weather for Pokemon such as Salac Berry Heracross. Hidden Power Fire does significant damage to Forretress and hits Metagross a bit.

HP Fighting is good for pressuring Mixed Tyranitar, and can deal with weakened Dragon Dance Tyranitar in a pinch. Sharpen can be used to set up on Dugtrio.

Checks and Counters
===================
Pokemon like Snorlax, Substitute Jirachi, and Metagross who don't care too much about Porygon2's attacks or status moves are solid counters. Snorlax and Substitute Jirachi can set up on Porygon2 with Curse and Calm Mind respectively, while Metagross hits it hard with its STAB Meteor Mash. Forretress can lay Spikes on Porygon2 quite easily. Tyranitar does not appreciate Porygon2's status moves, but it can generally do much damage to Porygon2, especially if it can hit Porygon2 with Focus Punch. Although Blissey is easily forced out by Toxic, it can click Toxic or Sing to make Porygon2 rather useless. Suicune takes much damage from Porygon2's Electric-type attacking move when its Special Defense isn't boosted, but afterwards, it can set up on Porygon2. Finally, although Porygon2 has potential to remove status by getting Natural Cure, it is quite afraid of status, which severely hinders its ability to do its jobs.

Although not a check per se, Dragon Dance Tyranitar can set up while absorbing Status with a Lum Berry. This is particularly dangerous because Porygon2 is frequently a setup fodder on offense teams with frail defensive backbones. Sing Blissey is too rare, replace with Thunder Wave. Also include Celebi, which can easily pivot in, Recover, and pivot out to prevent status on whatever is coming in. CM/SD Pass Celebi can also set up on it. Guts users like Heracross/Machamp/Hariyama can be very dangerous if status'd while coming in, and don't take much damage from Porygon2.

[CREDITS]
- Written by: [[wyc2333, 336830]]
- Quality checked by: [[, ], [, ]]
- Grammar checked by: [[, ], [, ]]
 
AMGP check, implement what you want

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(AC=add comma; RC=remove comma; AH=add hyphen; RH=remove hyphen; AP=add period; SC=semicolon)

[OVERVIEW]

Above all, Porygon2's main function is trapping Dugtrio (RC) which allows (current phrasing is ambiguous; "which" could refer to dugtrio as well as the act of trapping dugtrio) in order to allow grounded attackers to shine. Next, thanks to great bulk, solid Special Attack, and BoltBeam coverage, Porygon2 is able to counter dangerous sweepers, namely Salamence and Gyarados. In conclusion, Porygon2 is a unique Pokemon with some potential.

[SET]
name: Standard
move 1: Recover
move 2: Ice Beam
move 3: Thunderbolt / Thunder / Toxic
move 4: Thunder Wave / Toxic
item: Leftovers
ability: Trace
nature: Bold
evs: 252 HP / 200 Def / 56 SpD

[SET COMMENTS]
Set Description
=========

Recover makes it hard to wear down Porygon2. Ice Beam takes lets Porygon2 take on Pokemon such as Dugtrio, Salamence, and Flygon. An Electric-type attacking move Thunderbolt or Thunder does some damage to Skarmory and turns Porygon2 into one of the best Gyarados counters in ADV OU. The raw power and paralysis rate of Thunder can be helpful, but the accuracy of Thunderbolt is more reliable. Toxic hits common targets such as Tyranitar. Thunder Wave cripples threats like Jirachi, Jolteon, and Aerodactyl. Using a set with double status is a viable option because an Electric-type attacking move is not very useful on teams with Magneton.

The physical bulk investment allows Porygon2 to avoid being 2HKOed by Adamant Dugtrio's Earthquake in sand, which is important because Porygon2 cannot guarantee OHKO on Dugtrio with Ice Beam. A more offensive spread can be used as well. For example, an EV spread of 252 HP / 192 Def / 64 SpA with a Modest nature allows Porygon2 to guarantee OHKO on 8 HP / 40 SpD Dugtrio with Ice Beam. However, this makes Porygon2 not bulky enough, thus taking the risk of being worn down by Pokemon such as Salamence and Aerodactyl more easily.

Team Options
========

Porygon2 fits on Calm Mind spam teams, on which key threats such as offensive Celebi, Jirachi, and the rare Raikou prefer ("prefer x" doesn't make sense, you have to prefer x *over* something. either make it "prefer Porygon2 over ..." or change "prefer" to "utilize") Porygon2 to trap Dugtrio. Dugtrio itself appreciates an opposing Dugtrio being removed because it can click Hidden Power Bug and Aerial Ace without worrying about being revenge(RH)trapped. Another reason is that the combination of Porygon2 and Dugtrio checks Salamence, Tyranitar, and Flygon, allowing a team to use a more offensive check to them like Suicune. Meanwhile, with support from Porygon2, Heracross, Tyranitar, Magneton, Starmie, and offensive Swampert can play freely. In return, they can deal with Porygon2's counters such as Snorlax, Metagross, and Jirachi.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
=============

Rain Dance can be used to reset weather for Pokemon such as Salac Berry Heracross. Hidden Power Fire does significant damage to Forretress and hits Metagross a bit. Hidden Power Fighting pressures Tyranitar. Sharpen can be used to set up on Dugtrio, and then attempt to sweep the opposing team with boosted STAB Return. However, it is not useful in matchups where Dugtrio isn't present. Even if it Porygon2 manages to set up, there are still numerous things that can stop it.

Checks and Counters
===================

Pokemon like Snorlax, Substitute Jirachi, and Metagross who that don't care too much about Porygon2's attacks or status moves are solid counters to it. Snorlax and Substitute Jirachi can set up on Porygon2 with Curse and Calm Mind, (AC) respectively, while Metagross hits it hard with its STAB Meteor Mash. Forretress can lay Spikes on Porygon2 quite easily. Tyranitar does not appreciate Porygon2's status moves, but it can generally do much damage to Porygon2, especially if it can hit Porygon2 with Focus Punch. Although Dragon Dance Tyranitar is not a check, it can set up while absorbing status with Lum Berry, which is dangerous because Porygon2 is frequently a used as setup fodder on offensive teams with frail defensive backbones (confused; are you referring to porygon2's team or tyranitar's team?). (fix spacing)Although Blissey is easily forced out by Toxic, it can click Toxic, Thunder Wave, or the rare Sing to make Porygon2 rather useless. Suicune takes much damage from Porygon2's Electric-type attacking move Thunderbolt or Thunder when its Special Defense isn't boosted, but afterwards if it is, it Suicune can set up on Porygon2. Celebi can easily pivot in, shrug off damage by using Recover, and switch out to prevent status from laying on whatever is coming in (confused; how does celebi switching out prevent the incoming mon from getting statused?). Baton Pass + Calm Mind / Swords Dance Celebi can also set up on it. Fighting-type Pokemon such as Heracross, Machamp, and Hariyama threaten it Porygon2 with their STAB moves and don't take much damage from Porygon2's moves. Finally, although Porygon2 has potential to remove status by getting Natural Cure (subjective: add "via Trace"), it is otherwise quite afraid of status, which severely hinders its ability to do its jobs.
 

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