PU Research Week I : The Fallen

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Research Week - PU Edition!
Hosted by JirachiCelebiMew!

May 6 - May 27*
*: This is an arbitrary date. This Research Week will end when discussion ends.

nota bene: When you give out your Glicko2 rating, be sure to give your deviation alongside it! Also, when giving out a rank, be sure to specify what ranking method it falls under (e.g. ACRE, Glicko2, GXE).

Research Week looks to investigate Pokemon that have potential in PU, be it in stats, movepool, or supporting their team, to serve as an innovative choice in today's metagame. These are Pokemon that, for the most part, remain relatively untested. I have selected some Pokemon we feel, with help from everyone else, could see the rise of new and powerful sets, or the fulfillment of a particular niche. Perhaps the title is a bit of a misnomer; in fact, this installment (and likely future ones) of Research Week will continue as long as the discussion does, and that's where you all come in.

If you have anything to say about any of these Pokemon, please post about them! It doesn't matter if you've used them or have just faced them in battle, anything is fine (but please, do try them). Just be sure to back up your posts with good competitive reasoning, such as damage calculations! Posting replays showcasing the Pokemon you selected is especially encouraged.
  • Be open-minded, don't just say something is terrible and walk away; at least look into them and see what options they may be able to utilize!
  • Feel free to theorymon, but make it clear that you are theorymoning. At the end of the Research Week, however, we want discussion to move towards how useful the Pokemon actually are in PU, and what sets are effective on them.
  • Just because an analysis has been done for a Pokemon doesn't mean there isn't more to explore; it's quite possible that something might have gone unnoticed or is missing.
  • Do not post in this thread complaining about the Pokemon we choose and/or suggesting ones we should do for future weeks. We want discussion to stay on topic about the Pokemon we are researching. Feel free to VM / PM JirachiCelebiMew these suggestions, but don't expect the next research week to have all the Pokemon you suggested, or any of them.

So, the 4 Pokemon we will be looking at this research week are Carnivine, Gastly, Porygon, and Pupitar!


Here are some questions to think about as this Research Week progresses:
  1. How useful are these Pokemon in PU?
  2. What sets can they run effectively?
  3. What gives them trouble?
  4. What advantages do they have over other Pokemon?
  5. What niche can this Pokemon fill in teams?
  6. Are they worth the team slot on your team or is it outclassed?

Discuss; the discussion that come out of this will surely be illuminating! Don't forget, you're not just limited to this topic to discuss these Pokemon. The #PU and #neverused IRC channels are perfectly suitable places to discuss them as well. At the end of the discussion period, hope we can reach a general consensus on how good these Pokemon really are, and that we might find some interesting discoveries.

Alright, now that that's out of the way we can get to the fun part of this. First up, Research Week will now have a duration of roughly two weeks (actual duration: up until the discussion stops). The reason for this is as follows:
The Research Week Challenge:
  • Users will use any number of the research week mons on their team
  • Users will attempt to reach as high as possible on the ladder with the Pokemon. Surpassing a Glicko2 rating of *2000* with a deviation of 75 or lower on the ladder with your registered alt will grant you a spot on ladder the Hall of Fame: Platinum Class. Breaking past a Glicko2 rating of *1950* with a deviation of 75 or lower on the ladder with your registered alt will earn you a spot on the Hall of Fame: Gold Class. Crossing a Glicko2 rating of *1900* with a deviation of 75 or lower will secure you a Silver Class spot while a Glicko2 rating of *1850* with a deviation of 75 or lower will earn you a Bronze Class spot. Post a screen-shot of your peak and an importable of your team in order to achieve this.
  • Users will be expected to post their experiences with the Pokemon they use, the teams they used, the problems they encountered while trying to make the said Pokemon work.
  • If a user does not participate in the discussion, he will be passed over.
In order to participate in the challenge, simply post what Pokemon you're trying and your fresh new alt (yes, this is mandatory). Post battle logs, experiences with your team on the ladder, and generally how a Pokemon has worked out for you: past or present.

It has been noticed that the last few Research Weeks have been basically reduced to ladder runs. This completely defeats the purpose of Research Week where the idea is NOT TO see if a person can get a high ladder rating with an underused Pokemon but to subjectively assess as a community, whether that particular Pokemon is viable in the tier and discover its potential in the tier. In order to remedy this, an archive is going to be created, highlighting great posts. Don't forget that good posts in this thread will count towards getting the Community Contributor (
) badge!

Participants (0)
Format will go like this: username - alt - ladder standing
  • username - alt - ladder standing
    • Research Subject(s):
Hall of Fame (0)
Platinum Class: *range1* Glicko2
Currently none!​
Gold Class: *range2* Glicko2
Currently none!​
Silver Class: *range3* Glicko2 (0)
username goes here -
"quote from user's ladder confirmation post about laddering experience"
Ladder Alt:
Rating: *glicko2 rating* ± *deviation* Glicko2
Date of Entry:
Answers to Questions

[BOX]Full set:
Gigalith @ Custap Berry
Trait: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def
Adamant Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Stone Edge
- Earthquake
- Explosion[/BOX]​
Bronze Class: *range4* Glicko2 (0)
Currently none!​
Compendium of Great Posts (0)
Currently none!​

A proper sign-up sheet should look something like this:

[BOX]Username: JirachiCelebiMew
Alt: ManaphyShayminVictini
Ladder Standing: N/A
Research Subject(s): Gigalith, Combusken[/BOX]

Copypasta for the lazy:

ladder standing:
research subject(s):[/noparse][/BOX]

Remember to update your original post with ladder progress and comment about your experiences! With that done, we look forward to see what you have to say!
username: JoshuaMunoz
alt: Carnivine
ladder standing: n/a
research subject(s):

Just had my first match using Pupitar. Turned out to be a sweep thanks to Rotom-F! (Starts at Turn 10)


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Yeah uh I'm definitely going to be a part of this since there are some cool mons listed here.

Username: Agent Dell
Alt: Deuce 4 teh Loose
Ladder standing: N/A
Research subject(s): Gastly and Pupitar
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