Honestly I'm in agreement about tradebacks DVs and I can live with LK lax even if it's a bit too funny for my tastes (It won't have that hard of a time incorporating it) but for me the argument comes down to if it's really needed or not and I would have to say no:
* Do we need to do UU's job for them instead of them switching from being (partially) trapped talking about wrap to talking about persian and hypno, no
* Do we need tradebacks to keep RBY from becoming stagnant, no, if it ain't broke don't fix it (and honestly RBY hasn't really been stagnant for a long while, real meta change takes longer but that's kind of expected when you've got only a handful of good mons)
* Do we need tradebacks to supplant RBY when it's clear from the initial response and the fact that it's seeing more and more play that it can stand on its own, no
The rest of the arguments (non-smogon guys banned it, I just think it's neat, etc) don't really hold much water to me
Also I wanna bring this up from the original thread
If your second best argument (behind tradeback DV's, which I'll admit is a good point) is treating another mainline game, GSC, as a side game to RBY, you don't have that much of a case imo (and GSC isn't even an expansion, that honor goes to Yellow), if you want tradebacks to gain more popularity just host more tradebacks tournaments instead of piggybacking off RBY
Nothing in this post actually addresses the arguments made and instead targets side points or strawman versions of the arguments.
1. Nobody is arguing to do this to fix UU. This has been brought up several times and has been debunked, this was never the argument. The argument was “what about lower tier stability” doesn’t apply because UU is not stable and that means nothing below it is stable either.
2. This is also not about whether RBY is stagnant. We do not ban or unban things for fun and freshness. This is also not even an argument about whether or not to legalize tradebacks, it’s about whether or not to finally give them the suspect test they never got in the first place to
then decide whether or not they should even be legal.
3. I have no idea where on earth you get the idea that Tradebacks is being played “more and more” given it had the most dead tournaments of any RBY meta for 2022 and the channel for it was entirely dead till I made the Policy Review post. It was (still arguably is, but might pass Stadium now) by far the least played non OM aside from Nintendo Cup. I also have no idea what that has to do with whether or not it should be suspected.
4. “I just think it’s neat” has literally never been a relevant argument that anyone with any interest in due process for this has said.
5. I did not treat GSC as a “side game” to RBY, my argument was a lot more nuanced than that and you skipped over all of it to just strawman it into me saying GSC is not a real game or something. The point was “generations” are arbitrarily made up - according to Game Freak, Scarlet and Violet are Gen 10, not 9, so clearly the divide between 1 and 2 is arbitrary especially at the time of release when “gens” wouldn’t have even been a concept. If you say “new Pokémon = new gen” then LGPE is a gen because of Meltan and Melmetal, so is Legends, and so on. In literally every other case in Pokémon, if you can legally obtain the move in the game being played you can use it. Why not here?
6. None of this is about getting Tradebacks more attention or “piggybacking” and you’re again just attacking some made up point. Yet again, it’s about due process and the fact that this never got any test and remained banned for 20 years based on people saying stuff like Confuse Ray Starmie was broken. Did you even read the main thread or just make up something to get angry about?
