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[Reffing 202] Rainman Legends vs Geodude6

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Rainman Legends Frosty

(yes I know you're on LoA but the verdict is very important to me)


EDIT: Here is an exchange I had with Frosty on IRC (reminder to both me and the ol snowman)
[15:34] <Geodude6> frosty: polite reminder about my 202
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[15:41] <Frosty> also did people ping me for some reason
[15:41] <Geodude6> yes
[15:41] <Frosty> sorry I am watching house md so I am dead for most intentions
[15:41] <phoenix> geo wants you to remember his 202
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[15:42] <Frosty> but let me anticipate something
[15:42] <Frosty> what do you think I will ask you to do in order to be whitelisted, geo?
[15:43] <Geodude6> I know I need to ref the sim
[15:43] <Geodude6> just like you with my 202 I haven't forgotten about it
[15:43] <Frosty> no I wouldn't ask that
[15:43] <Frosty> and there is a reason why I never bothered to try to get whitelisted
[15:44] <Geodude6> ohhh
[15:44] <Frosty> but it is close to what I will possible ask
[15:44] <Frosty> keep in mind that I haven't looked at the thread so it is most speculation from me
[15:44] <Geodude6> well on the first one I went over DQ twice
[15:45] <Geodude6> and on the second one idr
[15:45] <Geodude6> I think I reffed the entire 3v3 on time?
[15:45] <Frosty> you probably did
[15:45] <Frosty> knowing rainman he would point out if you didn't
[15:45] <Rainman> ill take that as a compliment
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[15:47] <Frosty> let me anticipate what I will say regardless of the result: If I see you posting on time on the self-reffed flashes and johning too much other stuff, I will be mighty pissed
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[15:49] <Frosty did you understand my point, gheo?
[15:49] <Frosty> geo
[15:49] <Geodude6> yes frosty
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[15:49] <Frosty> I won't care if you pass DQ in some battles here and there
[15:49] <Frosty> everybody does
[15:50] <Frosty> I will care if it becomes an issue
 
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I said "next sunday" not "the immediately next sunday" <_<;.

Also, there is a reason why I decided to put this at lowest priority. Actually there are two:
a) It actually has lowest importance if compared to the other stuff I am dealing with. I really don't care if you can self-ref or not (and that is valid to everybody in the same situation, hence why all reffings 202 are pretty slow), as it won't help the community as much as Policy changes on sig items, Tourney with tight schedules, helping new people know this and getting Gyms moving along. I only picked them because no one else did <_<;
b) I liked the irony that this particular scene huehuehue.


But you waited for too much yeah, so let's get to it.

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Timeliness:

DQ Passed: 2

Second chance was indeed the right choice. We will return to this point soon enough, but for now you pass and all.

Battles Mistakes:
none. That I've noticed. Which is nice and dandy.


Reffing Mistakes:
1) Trace costs 6en. Which everybody forgets (including me), but you are the one being tested, not everybody.
2) Mr. Mime has Soundproof. This actually probably mattered a lot in the long run, so this will be considered a bad one.
3) Mr. Mime has Technician, remember? <_<
4) Energy Cost is rounded like Hp is rounded. At the end of the round. If there is only one move with non-integral EN in a round you can round on it to make stuff easier. But if there are more, than you should round the entire thing.
Damage and Energy consumption are both treated with the same rounding rules in ASB. Neither are rounded as soon as an attack is completed. At the end of the round, Damage and Energy are each summed, and the final result of these is then rounded normally (ie ≥.5 rounds up, <.5 rounds down). It is important to note that it is the damage and energy consumption which are rounded, not the remaining HP and Energy (so in the case of an even .5, the remaining HP and Energy will go with the lower of the two values!) An important exception is that if a Pokemon is left at the end of an attack with .5 HP or less, they faint instantly instead of waiting until the end of the round to round to 0 HP.
5) I got 35.4en on Giga Impact, so really, you are just being lazy.
6) Charge moves consume all of the energy cost on the damaging part. See Togekiss's Sky Attack for why I am pointing this out. Actually check all charge moves used in this game
7) Shouldn't RC Greninja have 5 SpA? Check the calcs of the first round it is out
8) Lack of Protean = type stays as is. Protean toggled off = typing reverts to normal.
9) Tomohawk was a pure Flying due to protean. Luckily for you it would KO anyway.
10) If part of a combo is illegal than the entire combo is illegal, so struggle is to be used. The combo is only divided in two actions if it is deemed unfeasible.
11) This is completely useless, but I suppose I just want to screw with you. Since Rock STAB, Aero's Reflect and Mime's Odd Incense Light Screen have the exact same priority, so Aero's Reflect happens first.
12) You forgot either Rivalry or Sheer Force on Nidoking's Thunder Punch. Twice.
13) MIME HAS TECHNICIAN since this is on second chance it deserves a second noting.
14) Overruling your "Mr Mime's 2nd sub counts as two subs because it should be rewritten as "IF Psychic is disabled / IF Psyshock is disabled."" Ruling. "the move you would use" is widely accepted as a sub and it is a circunstance you know therefore your pokemon knows (and it isn't anything unfeasible). By that logic "IF Solarbeam AND NOT A3 THEN XXX" is two subs since it can be rewritten as "IF Solarbeam A1 THEN XXX" and "IF Solarbeam A2 THEN XXX". And hell you used the same expression later on a sub -_-.
15) "On that note, you need to specify that you are using Power Herb". Since when? Check the NDA, the trigger is the usage of a charge move. Compare with the trigger of any gem. It is used when the move is used, whether you specify it or not.

Rainman Legends: I am not supposed to do your job, you know? None of the things above were noticed by you (except for protean). As said on the thread: "Tutor lists the errors and suggestions on a hide tag and continue the battle, with the apprentice reffing every round". This is your first and last warning.


Verdict: *siiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiigh*. OK, so there are two issues here:
1) You made a shitload of mistakes due to lack of attention. Multitasking does that to a person. Except that when you are the ref, it can lead to problems. Usually your opponent will make it less embarrassing by pointing the mistakes out, but when they don't, well. I imagine this match might have a different result if those mistakes were fixed. Actually probably not because of how it ended, but on a close match? certainly.
2) I keep getting comments about you johning on stuff.

So here is what we are going to do: I will reinstate you as Gym Ref (got the ok from the others) with a maximum of 2 matches. Luckily for now your two qualifier matches will do. One month from the begining of the qualifiers I will check them. If everything is spot-on (aka no game-changing mistake occurs) with them, I will give you white-list privilegies. If not, then you will fail. Meanwhile, if you get Black Listed on ASS (or anywhere else) you might be granted only some white-listed privilegies or none, depending on how it goes.

In other words, you are on probation. Final word about this will come until January 10th (consider GMT -3). If no word until then, you can assume you are white-listed until said otherwise. So you don't bug me about me being late and what-not.
 
One month in and you managed to be DQ'd in one gym match and passed DQ 5 times in the other. Frankly if df44 weren't such a john himself you would have been kicked by now.

Sorry to say, but final word is "no". I actually bothered to check the actual reffing and it was apparently fine (few mistakes, but nothing game-breaking). So basically: if you kept yourself to DQ you would probably be white-listed. but you didn't so...

come back in one month and we may try this again from start. I am positive you will pass next time. Assuming you keep your desire to john at bay.
 
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