LGPE OU Rhydon (QC 2/3)


QC: Funbot28 / Hayburner / c
GP: a / b / c

[OVERVIEW]
  • Boasting great physical bulk and access to Stealth Rock, Rhydon carves a niche in Let's Go as a reliable Stealth Rock user in the metagame.
  • Its monstrous 130 base Attack stat combined with its great STAB coverage allows it to dish out solid damage on many of its switchins for another Pokemon to take care of lategame.
  • However, Rhydon suffers from a middling 45 base Special Defense, making it difficult to switch into most special attackers like Mega Gengar, Mega Alakazam and Clefable.
  • Additionally, Rhydon's typing is a double-edged sword - while it does provide nifty resistances to Rock-, Normal-, Electric- and Flying-type attacks, allowing it to check Zapdos, it's left weak to common coverage such as Ice-, Grass-, Water- and Steel-type attacks, preventing it from switching in directly to anything that may carry them such as Melmetal, Poliwrath and Alolan Muk.
  • Finally, Rhydon faces stiff competition from other Stealth Rock setters in the tier; Aerodactyl and Alolan Dugtrio all have a much higher Speed stat than Rhydon's poor 40 base Speed, allowing them to outspeed key threats such as Mew, Melmetal and Mega Gyarados. Nidoqueen can utilise Super Fang to whittle down bulkier threats, and also takes neutral damage from Grass-type attacks.
[SET]
name: Tank
move 1: Stealth Rock
move 2: Rock Slide
move 3: Earthquake
move 4: Toxic
item: No Item
nature: Impish / Jolly

[SET COMMENTS]
Set Information
========
  • Stealth Rock is Rhydon's main niche in the metagame, allowing it to permanently cripple Pokemon weak to Rock-type attacks including Mega Beedrill and Mega Charizard-X for the duration of the match.
  • Rock Slide and Earthquake hit everything in the tier for neutral or super-effective damage, and come off strong thanks to Rhydon's high Attack stat.
  • Toxic is able to cripple bulky switchins that may otherwise be able to switch into anything else on the set, such as Poliwrath and Mew.
  • Impish maximizes Rhydon's defensive potential, allowing it to take hits easier from the likes of Dragonite and Mega Beedrill. However - Jolly allows Rhydon to outspeed Alolan Muk, who has a chance to OHKO Rhydon with Mega Drain and outspeeds otherwise.
Usage Tips
========
  • Rhydon should attempt to get Stealth Rock on the field as soon as possible, as lategame, switches occur less often, and therefore chip damage is less valued on a team.
  • Ideally, Rhydon should remain healthy in your party as a backup defensive check to foes like Zapdos. Its ability to come into Zapdos safely gives it time to set up Stealth Rock on the switch.
  • Rhydon's enormous 130 base Attack stat allows it to deal powerful neutral damage to switchins using its STAB moves in Rock Slide and Earthquake.
  • Toxic can be used against predicted switchins into threats like Poliwrath who could otherwise force Rhydon out, effectively crippling them and allowing another team member to take care of it.
Team Options
========
  • Pokemon that can threaten out Water-types such as Mega Venusaur and Zapdos help beat Rhydon's counters so that it can come in freely to set up Stealth Rock to help the team.
  • In addition, the reverse is true for Water-type teammates, who appreciate Rhydon's ability to take down Zapdos so that they can switch in freely.
  • Paralysis and burn spreaders like Melmetal and Mew help Rhydon either outspeed and dismantle a faster threat or allow Rhydon to survive certain hits from threats such as opposing Melmetal and Mega Gyarados, respectively. Mew in particular can check threats to Rhydon such as Starmie, Poliwrath and Mega Venusaur.
[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
=============
  • Dragon Tail is an option to force switches and deal chip damage in conjunction with Stealth Rock.
  • Substitute is an option, allowing Rhydon to still attack or spread Toxic even when up against a potential check by using Substitute on a predicted switch.
  • Thanks to Rhydon's solid physical bulk, it can potentially run Counter on a lead set to scare out physical attackers. However, Counter is fairly unreliable, and requires Rhydon to sacrifice a moveslot for it, which is hard to justify.
Checks and Counters
===================

**Water-types**: Due to Rhydon's low Special Defense and miserable 4x weakness to Water-type attacks, Rhydon is left vulnerable to Water-types such as Mega Gyarados, Starmie, Poliwrath and Cloyster, who can all threaten Rhydon out easily or prevent it from setting up Stealth Rock.

**Mega Venusaur**: Mega Venusaur can switch into any of Rhydon's attacks and can OHKO it with Mega Drain, or potentially put a switchin to sleep with Sleep Powder.

**Burn**: Burn spreaders such as Mew, Eevee-S and Mega Charizard X can cripple Rhydon, preventing it from effectively dealing damage to switchins with its STAB moves.

**Super Effective Coverage Moves**: Common coverage moves like Surf and Earthquake used by Pokemon like Nidoking, Snorlax and Dragonite threaten Rhydon due to its many weaknesses to a lot of common coverage in Ice-, Ground- and Water-type attacks.

**Special Attackers**: Due to Rhydon's poor 45 base Special Defense, it is ultimately forced out by powerful special attackers like Starmie, Mew and Mega Alakazam, who can OHKO it, forcing it to switch out. Mega Alakazam and Mew can set up Calm Mind and Nasty Plot respectively on the switch, and Starmie can spread status onto a switch-in with Thunder Wave.

**Taunt**: Taunt users such as Mew and Aerodactyl outspeed and prevent Rhydon from setting up Stealth Rock, making it difficult to fulfill its niche on a team. However, Aerodactyl can also risk being OHKOed by Rhydon if the player chooses to attack it.

[CREDITS]
- Written by: [[MeepBard, 196075]]
- Quality checked by: [[Funbot28, 255984], [Hayburner, 291554], [, ]]
- Grammar checked by: [[, ], [, ]]
 
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sorry this took so long!! was caught up with a mix of school / discord, so i didn't have much free time to work on this :/ ready for QC!
 

Funbot28

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QC: a / b / c
GP: a / b / c

[OVERVIEW]
  • Boasting great physical bulk and access to Stealth Rock, Rhydon carves a niche in Let's Go as a reliable Stealth Rock user in the metagame. Also point out this it walls one of the more popular threats in Zapdos.
  • Its monstrous 130 base Attack stat allows it to dish out solid damage on many of its switchins for another Pokemon to take care of lategame. A point mentioning on its great STAB coverage (in EdgeQuake) which can abuse its high Attack should also be noted
  • However, Rhydon suffers from a middling 45 base Special Defense, making it difficult to switch into most special attackers like Mega Gengar, Mega Alakazam and Clefable.
  • Additionally, Rhydon's typing is a double-edged sword - while it does provide nifty resistances to Rock-, Normal-, Electric- and Flying-type attacks, allowing it to check Zapdos, it's left weak to common coverage such as Ice-, Grass-, Water- and Steel-type attacks, preventing it from switching in directly to anything that may carry them such as Melmetal and Alolan Muk. Mention Poliwrath as well
  • Finally, Rhydon faces stiff competition from other Stealth Rock setters in the tier; Aerodactyl and Alolan Dugtrio all have a much higher Speed stat than Rhydon's poor 40 base Speed, allowing them to outspeed key threats such as Mew, Melmetal and Mega Gyarados. Nidoqueen can also utilise Super Fang to whittle down bulkier threats, and also takes neutral damage from Grass-type attacks.
[SET]
name: Tank
move 1: Stealth Rock
move 2: Rock Slide
move 3: Earthquake
move 4: Toxic
item: No Item
nature: Jolly / Impish

[SET COMMENTS]
Set Information
========
  • Stealth Rock is Rhydon's main niche in the metagame, allowing it to permanently cripple Pokemon weak to Rock-type attacks including Mega Beedrill and Mega Charizard-X for the duration of the match.
  • Rock Slide and Earthquake hit everything in the tier for neutral or super-effective damage, and come off strong thanks to Rhydon's high Attack stat.
  • Toxic is able to cripple bulky switchins that may otherwise be able to switch into anything else on the set, such as Starmie and Mew - you must be wary of Facade on Pokemon like Snorlax, however, who may be able to take advantage of a predicted Toxic. Also note that it cripples Poliwrath as well.
  • Jolly allows Rhydon to outspeed Alolan Muk, who has a chance to OHKO Rhydon with Mega Drain and outspeeds otherwise - it can still OHKO Aerodactyl the majority of the time, and 2HKO Melmetal, without an Attack-raising Nature. However, Impish can be used instead to maximize Rhydon's defensive potential, allowing it to take hits easier from the likes of Dragonite and Mega Beedrill.
Usage Tips
========
  • Rhydon should attempt to get Stealth Rock on the field as soon as possible, as lategame, switches occur less often, and therefore chip damage is less valued on a team.
  • Ideally, Rhydon should remain healthy in your party as a backup defensive check to foes like Zapdos. You can also note thats its ability to come into Zapdos almost guaranteed safely can give it ample opportunity to setup Stealth Rock.
  • Rhydon's enormous 130 base Attack stat allows it to deal powerful neutral damage to switchins using its STAB moves in Rock Slide and Earthquake.
  • Toxic can be used against predicted switchins into threats like Poliwrath who could otherwise force Rhydon out, effectively crippling them and allowing another team member to take care of it.
Team Options
========
  • Pokemon that can threaten out Water-types such as Mega Venusaur and Zapdos help beat Rhydon's counters so that it can come in freely to set up Stealth Rock to help the team.
  • In addition, the reverse is true for Water-type teammates - who appreciate Rhydon's ability to take down Zapdos so that they can switch in freely.
  • Paralysis and burn spreaders like Melmetal and Mew help Rhydon either outspeed and dismantle a faster threat or allow Rhydon to survive certain hits from threats such as opposing Melmetal and Mega Gyarados, respectively. Would also highlight Mew for its ability to check threats to Rhydon such as Starmie, Poli, and Mega Venusaur.
[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
=============
  • GiDragon Tail is an option to force switches and deal chip damage in conjunction with Stealth Rock.
  • Thanks to Rhydon's solid physical bulk, it can potentially run Counter on a lead set to scare out physical attackers. However, Counter is fairly unreliable, and requires Rhydon to sacrifice a moveslot for it, which is hard to justify.
  • A point on Subtitute to to let it punish switchins.
Checks and Counters
===================

**Water-types**: Due to Rhydon's low Special Defense and miserable 4x weakness to Water-type attacks, Rhydon is left vulnerable to Water-types such as Mega Gyarados, Starmie, Poliwrath and Cloyster, who can all threaten Rhydon out easily or prevent it from setting up Stealth Rock.

**Mega Venusaur**: Mega Venusaur can switch into any of Rhydon's attacks and can OHKO it with Mega Drain, or potentially put a switchin to sleep with Sleep Powder.

**Burn**: Burn spreaders such as Mew and Mega Charizard X can cripple Rhydon, preventing it from effectively dealing damage to switchins with its STAB moves. You can note Eevee-S here too, as one might like to switch into it thinking Rhydon can resist its attacks.

**Super Effective Coverage Moves**: Common coverage moves like Ice Beam Surf and Earthquake threaten Rhydon due to its many weaknesses to a lot of common coverage in Ice-, Ground- and Water-type attacks. Give examples of common users of these moves, mainly being Snorlax and Dragonite.

A note on powerful Special attackers here


**Taunt**: Taunt users such as Mew and Aerodactyl outspeed and prevent Rhydon from setting up Stealth Rock, making it difficult to fulfill its niche on a team. However, state that Mega Aero can also risk being KOed by Rhydon if the don player chooses to attack it.

[CREDITS]
- Written by: [[MeepBard, 196075]]
- Quality checked by: [[, ], [, ], [, ]]
- Grammar checked by: [[, ], [, ]]
Good job! Implement this and I will go over again before stamping
 
Good job! Implement this and I will go over again before stamping
implemented! one thing i omitted though was this:
  • Boasting great physical bulk and access to Stealth Rock, Rhydon carves a niche in Let's Go as a reliable Stealth Rock user in the metagame. Also point out this it walls one of the more popular threats in Zapdos.
as i noted that later on in the overview:
  • Additionally, Rhydon's typing is a double-edged sword - while it does provide nifty resistances to Rock-, Normal-, Electric- and Flying-type attacks, allowing it to check Zapdos, it's left weak to common coverage such as Ice-, Grass-, Water- and Steel-type attacks, preventing it from switching in directly to anything that may carry them such as Melmetal, Poliwrath and Alolan Muk.
unless you'd like me to combine the two points/note it twice? thank you so much for the check :]
 

Hayburner

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looks pretty solid, my main nitpick would be to slash impish ahead of jolly. Many muk run non -speed on mega drain regardless. Second,
you must be wary of Facade on Pokemon like Snorlax, however, who may be able to take advantage of a predicted Toxic.
i feel like thats kinda unnecessary considering rhydon kinda counters a toxiced lax anyway
qc 2/3 after those 2
 
looks pretty solid, my main nitpick would be to slash impish ahead of jolly. Many muk run non -speed on mega drain regardless. Second,
you must be wary of Facade on Pokemon like Snorlax, however, who may be able to take advantage of a predicted Toxic.
i feel like thats kinda unnecessary considering rhydon kinda counters a toxiced lax anyway
qc 2/3 after those 2
implemented, ty hay :]
 

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