UU Roserade

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[OVERVIEW]

Roserade has a decent niche in UU as a Spikes setter on offensive builds thanks to its decent Speed, great Special Attack, and a STAB combination that allows it to threaten several of the tier's common defensive types, including Ground, Water, and Fairy. Its access to Technician-boosted Hidden Power Fire as well as a powerful Sludge Bomb eases its matchup against traditional Grass-type checks such as Steel-types, Rotom-H, and Moltres that trouble its main competitors in Celebi and Rotom-C more. Roserade also has resistances to common types, such as Fairy and Water, that can allow it to adequately revenge kill big metagame threats such as Primarina and Mega Slowbro. Unfortunately, Roserade's merely decent Speed and horrid physical bulk leave it heavily pressured by the majority of UU's fast physical threats as well as priority users such as Mamoswine, Bisharp, and Scizor. Its typing can also hinder it defensively, as it is weak to the attacks of common special threats in Latias, Kyurem, and Chandelure preventing it from properly utilizing its good Special Defense. Roserade also struggles to break past a few popular defensive Pokemon, including Blissey and particularly Alolan Muk, which tanks any of Roserade's attacks and cripples it with STAB Pursuit.

[SET]
name: Offensive
move 1: Leaf Storm
move 2: Sludge Bomb
move 3: Hidden Power Fire
move 4: Spikes
item: Life Orb
ability: Technician
nature: Timid
evs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Moves
========

Leaf Storm is a powerful STAB attack that heavily damages the majority of unresisted targets. It OHKOes all of the tier's bulky Water- and Ground-types while even threatening to KO neutral targets like Mega Aerodactyl and Reuniclus with minor chip damage. Sludge Bomb provides valuable coverage against Fairy- and Grass-types, heavily damaging the likes of Sylveon, Mega Altaria, and Rotom-C while also damaging other switch-ins to Leaf Storm like Moltres, Latias, and Hydreigon fairly well. Hidden Power Fire receives a boost in power from Technician and covers Steel-types like Scizor, Cobalion, and Klefki while reliably 2HKOing Amoonguss. Spikes can be set as Roserade forces switches to rack up chip damage on foes. Sleep Powder can also be used in the fourth slot to cripple some of Roserade's checks like Mega Aggron, Alolan Muk, and Snorlax, with sleep, which can generate free turns for Roserade or its teammates, although Spikes is often a better utility option for allowing Roserade to wear down its checks over time while more consistently supporting its teammates. Giga Drain is an option for restoring Roserade's health as it deals damage while providing Roserade with a Grass-type attack with more PP. However, it is too often hard to find room for due to its significant lack of power or costing coverage.

Set Details
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Life Orb maximizes Roserade's damage output with a neutral attacking nature, notably allowing it to OHKO +1 Special Defense Mega Slowbro with Leaf Storm. Technician is the preferred ability for granting Roserade access to a 90-Base Power Hidden Power Fire. Black Sludge can be used over Life Orb to give Roserade a way of passively restoring health, though the loss in power, which includes being unable to OHKO Volcanion without Stealth Rock down, is usually not worth it considering Roserade is already quite frail.

Usage Tips
========

Due to its frailty, Roserade should primarily look to come into play with support from a pivot or after a teammate has fainted. It can, however, reliably switch into weaker special attackers such as Amoonguss and Tentacruel. From there, it should look to either punch holes in the opposing team or set up Spikes as it forces the opposing Pokemon out of play. Leaf Storm should be used to deal heavy damage to foes, though due to the decrease in Special Attack that comes with using the attack, Roserade should look to more frequently spam Sludge Bomb. Switching out after using Leaf Storm is often advised. When using Hidden Power Fire, it is best to catch Steel-types on the switch with the attack in order to secure the 2HKO on most of them without sustaining major damage on Roserade's part. If Sleep Powder is being run, it is great to use on forced switches in order to generate free turns for Roserade's teammates to safely switch in. It can also be used on slower foes that tank Roserade's attacks, such as Alolan Muk, Mega Aggron, and Chandelure. Faster attackers often can't safely come in on Roserade, though it should immediately switch out of them once they're in play due to its poor bulk preventing it from often even tanking one strong hit. Foes with strong priority, most notably Scizor, should also be played around carefully due to Roserade's poor bulk.

Team Options
========

Roserade fits best on offensive builds due to its power and decent offensive utility, though it can also work on balance due to its good synergy with various defensive Pokemon. Setup sweepers like Mega Altaria, Cobalion, and Terrakion can take advantage of the Spikes support Roserade can provide them with to more easily break past foes. Wallbreakers like Nidoking, Primarina, and Hydreigon are also appreciative of Roserade's ability to help them secure KOs with entry hazard damage. Stealth Rock setters such as Empoleon, Krookodile, and Mamoswine can stack hazards with Roserade, further adding onto the chip damage sustained by the opposing team. Roserade appreciates Pokemon capable of dealing with the many faster threats that pressure it on its team, which makes the likes of Mega Slowbro, Hippowdon, and Diancie particularly good partners on balanced builds due to their good bulk. Bulkier attackers such as Doublade and Mega Altaria can help compensate for this issue on offensive teams. Methods of checking faster foes, such as Mega Aerodactyl, Choice Scarf Krookodile, and Choice Scarf Infernape, can also alleviate Roserade's low Speed. Fighting-types like Heracross and Kommo-o often have good synergy with Roserade due to appreciating the removal of Fairy-types while in return taking on Blissey, Alolan Muk, and Steel-types for it. Water-types such as Primarina and Starmie enjoy Roserade's ability to come in on Grass- and Electric-type attacks for them, while they can aid it in removing Fire-types and weakening Steel-types. Flying-type checks like Empoleon and Diancie can take on the likes of Moltres and Mega Pidgeot for Roserade, while in return the aforementioned examples appreciate its ability to pressure bulky Water-types.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
=============

Natural Cure is plausible for allowing Roserade to come in on bulky Water-types without fear of a long-term status ailment. However, giving up Hidden Power Fire's extra power isn't worth this slight benefit. Toxic Spikes can be used over Spikes to cripple foes with poison. However, the presence of both Steel- and Poison-types makes them a lot more situationally useful than regular Spikes, which consistently damage most opposing Pokemon. Grassium Z is an option for using a powerful Grass-type attack without lowering Roserade's Special Attack, but it often fails to hit anything that isn't already adequately damaged by Leaf Storm, which isn't worth the lack of power that Life Orb will provide. Synthesis is an option for allowing Roserade to consistently recover health, though it is too often hard to find room for because it costs utility or coverage.

Checks and Counters
===================

**Faster Pokemon**: Roserade's awful bulk and average Speed makes it fold to the tier's several faster offensive threats, which include Infernape, Latias, Mega Aerodactyl, and Mega Sharpedo. Potential Choice Scarf users like Volcanion and Togekiss can also be burdensome, surprising and overpowering Roserade.

**Flying-types**: Several Flying-types will often have ways of working around Roserade quite easily. Though unable to comfortably switch in, Mega Aerodactyl and Mega Pidgeot can outspeed and OHKO it, while Mantine's good special bulk allows it to tank hits while recovering and wearing Roserade down. Crobat is particularly troublesome, due to outspeeding it while resisting both of its STAB attacks.

**Fire-types**: Fire-types can often tank a hit and KO Roserade or outspeed and pressure it. Infernape and Mega Houndoom outspeed and OHKO it, while Chandelure resists both of Roserade's STAB attacks and doesn't fear Hidden Power Fire. Moltres and Rotom-H can also offensively handle Roserade, albeit less reliably due to both taking hefty damage from Sludge Bomb.

**Specially Bulky Pokemon**: Assault Vest Alolan Muk is one of the best checks to Roserade available, as it tanks any of Roserade's hits while threatening it with Pursuit. Blissey can also reliably sponge hits while setting up Stealth Rock for its team and whittling Roserade down with Seismic Toss. Both dislike being put to sleep, however. Umbreon and Snorlax, while not particularly common, can also adequately check Roserade.

**Steel-types**: Offensive Steel-types like Cobalion and Scizor resist Roserade's STAB combination and can pressure it heavily; Cobalion can outpace it and damage it with Iron Head, while Scizor threatens to OHKO it with Bullet Punch. Both should be wary of coming in on Hidden Power Fire, however. Defensive Steel-types such as Mega Aggron and Klefki can take Hidden Power Fire at least once and heavily damage or cripple it in return. Mega Aggron can OHKO Roserade with Heavy Slam, and Klefki can cripple it with Prankster Thunder Wave. They fear being hit with Sleep Powder, though.

**Strong Priority**: Roserade's horrible bulk keeps it from reliably tanking even resisted priority attacks. It is OHKOed by Scizor's Bullet Punch, Bisharp's Life Orb-boosted Sucker Punch after Stealth Rock, and Mamoswine's Ice Shard. Roserade can only switch in on even Infernape's Choice Band-boosted Mach Punch once with Stealth Rock down, as after two rounds it can be 2HKOed.

- Written by: [[Hilomilo, 313384]]
- Quality checked by: [[martha, 384270], [Nuked, 382658], [Kreme, 224453]]
- Grammar checked by: [[martha, 384270], [A Cake Wearing A Hat, 388157]]
 
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Overview
- Mention Spikes utility in Overview. Spikes are great to pressure the switches that its offensive typing force.
* Unfortunately, Roserade suffers from its merely decent Speed and horrid physical bulk, which both leave it heavily pressured by the majority of UU's fast physical threats and often overcome by powerful priority.
- Mention Mamoswine especially due to it being super effective and the lack of examples here. mention some strong attackers too.
* Lastly, Roserade suffers competition from Mega Venusaur, which is less specially powerful but has room for recovery, is much bulkier, and has much more versatility.
- This can go. You can mention its competiton with other Grass-types and other Poison-types like Nihilego and Nidoking though.

Set
- Consider making Spikes the first slash. It's really great to pressure a lot of the tier and offers more on free turns than Sleep Powder does. You also refer to it far more in the analysis than Sleep Powder.

Moves
* Leaf Storm is a powerful STAB attack that heavily damages the majority of unresisted targets.
- Mention what Leaf Storm can break here, and mention its ability to punish bulky Water- and Ground-types as well as neutral targets. This is one of the reasons why Roserade can pressure them so well.
* Sleep Powder can be used to cripple some of Roserade's checks, like Mega Aggron,
- You mention Aggron as a Technician-boosted HP Fire target in the line before, and it's now a check. Remove one of these mentions (preferably the first because 252 SpA Life Orb Technician Roserade Hidden Power Fire vs. 248 HP / 252+ SpD Filter Aggron-Mega: 154-183 (44.8 - 53.3%) -- 35.5% chance to 2HKO) for clarity.

Set Details
though if Hidden Power Fire isn't run, Natural Cure can be useful for relieving it of status ailments defensive foes may inflict it with.
- An alternative for HP Fire isn't on the set and it's honestly not worth dropping at all, so I'd relegate this to OO.

Team Options
which makes the likes of Alomomola, Swampert, and Hippowdon
- You can mention how these help take Bullet Punch and the former two Ice Shard as well due to its issues with priority moves.
- Mention Steel- and Rock-types as Flying-type checks for it. Pokemon like Empoleon and Rhyperior can be mentioned as SR users and their abilities as Flying-type checks can follow that.
- Magneton is really niche at this point and if it was to have a mention, I would group it with other Steel-types, which are better partners in general.
- In Usage Tips, you mention bringing it in with pivot support. Compliment this with some examples of them as teammates.
- You can also add faster Pokemon that can deal with the threats (outside of priority) that try to revenge kill Roserade.

Other Options
- Mention Synthesis for recovery; it's bad but can work in some circumstances.

Checks and Counters
- Chandelure and Volcanion aren't really the best examples of Choice Scarf users in this meta, so maybe consider Hydreigon or Krookodile as options.
- Chandelure can be mentioned instead of Scarf Volcanion as a Pokemon that offensively pressures Roserade due to its resistance to all of its STAB moves and the fact it commonly runs Substitute now to avoid Sleep Powder even if run.
- Put Steel-types above specially bulky Pokemon because the only really relevant example there is Blissey, and more Steel-types are relevant as answers.

QC 1/3
 
[OVERVIEW]

* Roserade is a decent offensive threat in UnderUsed due to its decent Speed, great Special Attack stat, and a STAB combination that allows it to threaten several of the tier's common defensive types, including Ground, Water, and Fairy.
* Its access to Technician allows it to turn Hidden Power Fire into a respectably powerful coverage move, which eases its matchup against traditional Grass-type checks like Mega Aggron and Scizor.
* Roserade also has resistances to common types, such as Fairy and Water, that can allow it to adequately revenge kill big metagame threats such as Primarina and Suicune. I don't like this Suicune mention because it can stall Roserade out of Leaf Storm with a couple of Protects, and if Suicune is already behind a sub then it will just use Roserade as setup fodder. Replace this with something like Volcanion or Mega Slowbro.
* Furthermore, it can contribute to teams beyond wallbreaking through utilizing utility options like Spikes and Sleep Powder.
* Unfortunately, Roserade suffers from its merely decent Speed and horrid physical bulk, which both leave it heavily pressured by the majority of UU's fast physical threats and often overcome by powerful priority, such as Mamoswine's Ice Shard and Scizor's Bullet Punch.
* Its typing can also hinder it defensively, due to weaknesses to the attacks of common special threats in Latias, Mega Pidgeot, and Chandelure preventing it from properly utilizing its good Special Defense.
* Roserade also struggles to break past a few popular defensive Pokemon, including Moltres, Blissey, and particularly Alolan Muk, which tanks any of its attacks and cripples it with STAB Pursuit.

[SET]
name: Offensive
move 1: Leaf Storm
move 2: Sludge Bomb
move 3: Hidden Power Fire
move 4: Spikes / Sleep Powder
item: Life Orb
ability: Technician
nature: Timid
evs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Moves
========

* Leaf Storm is a powerful STAB attack that heavily damages the majority of unresisted targets. It OHKOs all of the tier's bulky Water- and Ground-types while even threatening to KO neutral targets like Stakataka and Raikou with minor chip damage.
* Sludge Bomb provides valuable coverage against Fairy- and Grass-types, heavily damaging the likes of Sylveon, Mega Altaria, and Rotom-C.
* Hidden Power Fire receives a boost in power from Technician and covers Steel-types like Scizor, Cobalion, and Klefki while reliably 2HKOing Amoonguss.
* Spikes are entry hazards that can be set as Roserade forces switches to rack up chip damage on foes.
* Sleep Powder can also be used in the fourth slot to cripple some of Roserade's checks, like Mega Aggron, Alolan Muk, and Tentacruel, with sleep, which can generate free turns for Roserade or its teammates.
* Giga Drain is an option for restoring Roserade's health as it deals damage. However, it is too often hard to find room for due to its significant lack of power or costing coverage. you should mention that it has higher PP than leaf storm, which can help with suicune and long stall games

Set Details
========

* Maximum investment in Special Attack and a Life Orb maximizes Roserade's damage output with a neutral nature, notably allowing it to OHKO +1 Special Defense Mega Slowbro with Leaf Storm.
* Maximum Speed investment with a Timid nature makes it fairly fast, outrunning Pokemon such as Rotom-C, Heracross, and Nidoking while speed tying with Lucario.
* Technician is the preferred ability for granting Roserade access to a 90-Base Power Hidden Power Fire.
* Black Sludge can be used over Life Orb to give Roserade a way of passively restoring health, though the loss in power is usually not worth it considering Roserade is already quite frail.

Usage Tips
========

* Due to its frailty, Roserade should primarily look to come into play with support from a pivot or after a teammate has fainted. It can, however, reliably switch into weaker special attackers such as Amoonguss and Tentacruel. From there, it should look to either punch holes in the opposing team, set up Spikes as it forces the opposing Pokemon out of play, or cripple predicted switch-ins with Sleep Powder.
* Leaf Storm should be used to deal heavy damage to foes, though due to the decrease in Special Attack that comes with using the attack Roserade should look to more frequently spam Sludge Bomb. Switching out after using Leaf Storm is often advised.
* When using Hidden Power Fire, it is best to catch Steel-types on the switch with the attack in order to secure the 2HKO on most without sustaining major damage on Roserade's part.
* If Sleep Powder is being run, it is great to use on forced switches in order to generate free turns for Roserade's teammates to safely switch in. It can also be used on slower foes that tank Roserade's attacks, such as Alolan Muk, Mega Aggron, and Chandelure.
* Faster attackers often can't safely come in on Roserade, though it should immediately switch out of them once they're in play due to its poor bulk preventing it from often even tanking one strong hit.
* Foes with strong priority, most notably Scizor, should also be played around carefully due to Roserade's poor bulk.
it might be worth making a bullet here talking about pursuit users, up to you

Team Options
========

* Roserade fits best on offensive builds due to its power and decent offensive utility, though it can also work on balance due to its good synergy with various defensive Pokemon.
* Setup sweepers like Mega Altaria, Cobalion, and Terrakion are often appreciative of the Spikes support Roserade can provide them with due to more easily breaking past chipped foes.
* Wallbreakers like Nidoking, Primarina, and Hydreigon are also appreciative of Roserade's ability to help them secure KOs with entry hazard damage.
* Stealth Rock setters such as Empoleon, Swampert, and Krookodile can stack hazards with Roserade, further adding onto the chip damage sustained by the opposing team.
* Roserade appreciates Pokemon capable of dealing with the many faster threats that pressure it on its team, which makes the likes of Alomomola, Swampert, and Hippowdon particularly good partners on balanced builds due to their good bulk. The former two can comfortably tank an Ice Shard from Mamoswine while all can switch in on Scizor's Bullet Punch. Bulkier attackers such as Doublade and Mega Altaria can help compensate for this issue on offensive teams.
* Methods of speed control, such as Mega Aerodactyl, Choice Scarf Krookodile, and Choice Scarf Infernape can also alleviate Roserade's weakness to faster foes.
* Fighting-types like Heracross and Kommo-O often have good synergy with Roserade due to appreciating the removal of Fairy-types while in return taking on Blissey, Alolan Muk, and Steel-types for it.
* Water-types such as Azumarill and Starmie enjoy Roserade's ability to come in on Grass- and Electric-type attacks for them, while they can aid it in removing Fire-types and weakening Steel-types.
* Flying-type checks like Empoleon and Rhyperior can take on the likes of Moltres and Mega Pidgeot for Roserade, while in return both appreciate its ability to pressure bulky Water-types.
* Magneton can be a particularly helpful partner, as while niche, it's capable of removing a big thorn in Roserade's side in Scizor while also weakening other Steel-types, which can allow Roserade to more safely forgo running Hidden Power Fire.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
=============

* Natural Cure is plausible for allowing Roserade to come in on bulky Water-types without fear of a long term status ailment. However, giving up Hidden Power Fire's extra power isn't worth this slight benefit.
* Toxic Spikes can be used over Spikes to cripple foes with poison. However, the presence of both Steel- and Poison-types makes them a lot more situationally useful than regular Spikes, which consistently damage most opposing Pokemon.
* Grassium Z is an option for using a powerful Grass-type attack without lowering Roserade's Special Attack, but it often fails to hit anything that isn't already adequately damaged by Leaf Storm, which isn't worth the lack of power that Life Orb will provide.
* Synthesis is an option for allowing Roserade to consistently recover itself, though it is too often hard to find room for due to costing utility or coverage.
* Roserade has access to a few powerful coverage moves, such as Extrasensory, Dazzling Gleam, and Shadow Ball that it can use to try damaging specific targets. However, all targets of these attacks are generally hit decently hard by one of Roserade's STAB attacks, which makes fitting them onto sets often suboptimal.

Checks and Counters
===================

**Faster Pokemon**: Roserade's awful bulk and average Speed makes it fold to the tier's several faster offensive threats, which include Infernape, Latias, Mega Aerodactyl, and Mega Sharpedo. Potential Choice Scarf users like Rotom-H and Togekiss can also be burdensome, surprising and overpowering Roserade.

**Flying-types**: Several Flying-types will often have ways of working around Roserade quite easily. Though unable to comfortably switch in, Mega Aerodactyl and Mega Pidgeot can outspeed and OHKO it, while Mantine's good special bulk allows it to tank hits while recovering and wearing Roserade down. Crobat is particularly troublesome, due to outspeeding it while 4x resisting both of its STAB attacks.

**Fire-types**: Fire-types can often tank a hit and KO Roserade or outspeed and pressure it. Infernape and Mega Houndoom outspeed and OHKO it, while Chandelure resists both of Roserade's STAB attacks and doesn't fear Hidden Power Fire. Moltres and Choice Scarf Rotom-H can also offensively handle Roserade, albeit less reliably due to the former disliking taking Sludge Bomb and the latter risking heavy damage from Sludge Bomb if it misses Overheat.

**Specially Bulky Pokemon**: Alolan Muk is one of the best checks to Roserade avaiable, due to its Assault Vest set tanking any of Roserade's hits while threatening it with STAB Pursuit. Blissey can also reliably sponge hits while setting up Stealth Rock for its team and whittling Roserade down with Seismic Toss. Both dislike being put to sleep, however. Umbreon and Snorlax, while not particularly common, can also adequately check Roserade.

**Steel-types**: Offensive Steel-types like Cobalion and Scizor can either outpace and pressure Roserade in the case of the former, or threaten to OHKO it with STAB priority Bullet Punch in the case of the latter, which also reliably walls Roserade's STAB combination. Both should be wary of coming in on Hidden Power Fire, however. Defensive Steel-types such as Mega Aggron and Klefki can both take Hidden Power Fire at least once while likely OHKOing Roserade with Heavy Slam in the case of the former or crippling it with Prankster Thunder Wave in the case of the ladder. Both fear being hit with Sleep Powder, though.

**Strong Priority**: Roserade's horrible bulk keeps it from reliably tanking even resisted priority attacks. It is OHKOed by Scizor's Bullet Punch and Mamoswine's Ice Shard, and can only switch in on even Infernape's Choice Band-boosted Mach Punch once with Stealth Rock down.


QC 2/3 nice job
 

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Overview
  • Replace Mega Pidgeot for Moltres because Mega Burd isn’t too common these days while Moltres is still common. If this still isn’t done and Bish ends up staying I’d replace Chandelure for Gengar too since bish + geng on spikes is gonna be all over the place but that’s prolly unnecessary to note LOL.
  • If rocks are up, Moltres absolutely cannot safely come in on Roserade, even if rocks aren’t up and it’s just chipped a bit it cannot safely come into Sludge Bomb which does a cool 66-78% to offensive and 55-66% to defensive. I would say replace it with something but honestly all the mons that wall this thing are pretty irrelevant aside from Blissey, but that’s a no brainer. Muk isn’t that good but it can still be mentioned if we just reword this last bit of the overview to talking about how Roserade is weak to Pursuit because of it’s poor defense stat, and then mention the pursuit users.
Moves
  • Change the staka and Raikou examples. Staka is good but it’s not uncommon for it to be ran with Hippo for sand synergy and the spdef set is like better than the otr set rn. Raikou is as shitty as ever rn. Nidoking is p good rn and Maero will probably be good as long as it’s in UU so those seem like good replacements as Leaf Storm OHKOs Nidok and has a 56% chance to OHKO Maero w/o rocks.
  • Tentacruel is far from a Roserade check as it’s a roll heavily in Roserade’s favor to 2HKO with Leaf Storm while Tentacruel straight up can’t touch it back. Maybe mention Latias here instead.
Team Options
  • The Nidoking mention isn’t necessarily bad but it is like type spam and I have a better example anyways. I think Zera is a good mon to pair with Roserade because it likes spike support and can check things like Scizor and Moltres that both bother Roserade a ton.
  • Maybe mention Mamoswine > Swampert or something since Mamo is sorta like the king of rockers on spikes offense, Nidoking has gotten an edge over it recently b/c it checks Zera but Nidok + Roserade kinda conflict with each other since they both come in on fairies and set hazards/wallbreak and they are both poison types. Swampert is also just like pretty bad rn.
  • Ngl I would literally never use Alo on a team with Roserade on it. It’s too passive and invites so many defoggers/spinners/tspikes absorbers in as it wishes or whatever. Maybe replace it for Mega Slowbro as that at least has a way to offensively pressure shit in some way.
  • Replace Maero in the speed control point for Scarf Drei, I say scarf drei specifically because it can U-Turn on incoming fairy types and give Roserade a free turn to click buttons.
  • Remove Azu, that’s not in the tier no more. Just use Prima.
  • Rhyperior isn’t as good as it used to be, Maero can come back here over Rhyp.
  • Like, I would honestly never run Magneton to support Roserade. It does help by chipping steels and taking out Scizor and everything, but using Magneton just to patch up one of Roserade’s many issues sounds like the biggest waste of a team slot literally ever.
 

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Hi so I'll be giving a check while going through vivalospride's stuff above. Implement stuff from the amcheck unless I say anything here about it.

Overview
  • The Overview really needs to put emphasis on two things for me, a) why I would use Roserade over alternatives, b) when would I want to be using Roserade.
  • Replace Mega Pidgeot for Moltres because Mega Burd isn’t too common these days while Moltres is still common. If this still isn’t done and Bish ends up staying I’d replace Chandelure for Gengar too since bish + geng on spikes is gonna be all over the place but that’s prolly unnecessary to note LOL.
    Not necessary tbh.
  • If rocks are up, Moltres absolutely cannot safely come in on Roserade, even if rocks aren’t up and it’s just chipped a bit it cannot safely come into Sludge Bomb which does a cool 66-78% to offensive and 55-66% to defensive. I would say replace it with something but honestly all the mons that wall this thing are pretty irrelevant aside from Blissey, but that’s a no brainer. Muk isn’t that good but it can still be mentioned if we just reword this last bit of the overview to talking about how Roserade is weak to Pursuit because of it’s poor defense stat, and then mention the pursuit users.
    I'd just remove the Moltres example.

Set Details
  • Black Sludge can be used over Life Orb to give Roserade a way of passively restoring health, though the loss in power is usually not worth it considering Roserade is already quite frail.
    Examples please.
Team Options
  • Maybe mention Mamoswine > Swampert or something since Mamo is sorta like the king of rockers on spikes offense, Nidoking has gotten an edge over it recently b/c it checks Zera but Nidok + Roserade kinda conflict with each other since they both come in on fairies and set hazards/wallbreak and they are both poison types. Swampert is also just like pretty bad rn.
    Not necessary but can do if you want.
  • Replace Maero in the speed control point for Scarf Drei, I say scarf drei specifically because it can U-Turn on incoming fairy types and give Roserade a free turn to click buttons.
    Not necessary.
  • Rhyperior isn’t as good as it used to be, Maero can come back here over Rhyp.
    Not necessary
  • vivalospride ftr I don't think examples need to necessarily be stressed upon unless they've either a) left the tier, b) gone completely unviable, or c) don't fit the criteria the sentence has for it (e.g checks to Roserade such as Tentacruel) there's obv leeway here and there but that's the general guidelines i follow by usually. Otherwise for 'mons that are specifically good w/ the analysis mon then they'd probably want to get their own bullet point or have a dedicated section within a bullet point.

Checks and Counters

4x resisting both of its STAB attacks.
  • Untrue.
 

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[OVERVIEW]

Roserade has a decent niche in UU as a Spikes setter on offensive builds thanks to its decent Speed, great Special Attack stat, and a STAB combination that allows it to threaten several of the tier's common defensive types, including Ground, Water, and Fairy. Its access to Technician allows it to turn Hidden Power Fire into a respectably powerful coverage move to hit Steel-types with, which alongside its powerful Sludge Bomb hitting the likes of Rotom-H and Moltres hard, eases its matchup against traditional Grass-type checks that trouble its main competitors in Celebi and Rotom-C more. Roserade also has resistances to common types, such as Fairy and Water, that can allow it to adequately revenge kill big metagame threats such as Primarina and Mega Slowbro. Unfortunately, Roserade suffers from its merely decent Speed and horrid physical bulk, which both leave it heavily pressured by the majority of UU's fast physical threats and often overcome by powerful priority, such as Mamoswine's Ice Shard, Bisharp's Sucker Punch, and Scizor's Bullet Punch. Its typing can also hinder it defensively, due to weaknesses to the attacks of common special threats in Latias, Kyurem, and Chandelure preventing it from properly utilizing its good Special Defense. Roserade also struggles to break past a few popular defensive Pokemon, including Blissey and particularly Alolan Muk, which tanks any of Roserade's attacks and cripples it with STAB Pursuit.

[SET]
name: Offensive
move 1: Leaf Storm
move 2: Sludge Bomb
move 3: Hidden Power Fire
move 4: Spikes
item: Life Orb
ability: Technician
nature: Timid
evs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Moves
========

Leaf Storm is a powerful STAB attack that heavily damages the majority of unresisted targets. It OHKOes all of the tier's bulky Water- and Ground-types while even threatening to KO neutral targets like Mega Aerodactyl and Reuniclus with minor chip damage. Sludge Bomb provides valuable coverage against Fairy- and Grass-types, heavily damaging the likes of Sylveon, Mega Altaria, and Rotom-C, (RC) while also damaging other switch-ins to Leaf Storm, like Moltres, Latias, and Hydreigon, fairly well. Hidden Power Fire receives a boost in power from Technician and covers Steel-types like Scizor, Cobalion, and Klefki while reliably 2HKOing Amoonguss. Spikes are entry hazards that can be set as Roserade forces switches to rack up chip damage on foes. Sleep Powder can also be used in the fourth slot to cripple some of Roserade's checks, (RC) like Mega Aggron, Alolan Muk, and Snorlax, (RC) with sleep, which can generate free turns for Roserade or its teammates, although Spikes is often a better utility option for allowing Roserade to wear down its checks over time while more consistently supporting its teammates. Giga Drain is an option for restoring Roserade's health as it deals damage while providing Roserade with a Grass-type attack with more PP. However, it is too often hard to find room for due to its significant lack of power or costing coverage.

Set Details
========

Life Orb maximizes Roserade's damage output with a neutral attacking nature, notably allowing it to OHKO +1 Special Defense Mega Slowbro with Leaf Storm. Technician is the preferred ability for granting Roserade access to a 90-Base Power Hidden Power Fire. Black Sludge can be used over Life Orb to give Roserade a way of passively restoring health, though the loss in power, which includes being unable to OHKO Volcanion without Stealth Rock down, i is usually not worth it considering Roserade is already quite frail.

Usage Tips
========

Due to its frailty, Roserade should primarily look to come into play with support from a pivot or after a teammate has fainted. It can, however, reliably switch into weaker special attackers such as Amoonguss and Tentacruel. From there, it should look to either punch holes in the opposing team, (RC) or set up Spikes as it forces the opposing Pokemon out of play. (reads like there's a 3rd item on the list missing so if tehre is disregard this change and add it) Leaf Storm should be used to deal heavy damage to foes, though due to the decrease in Special Attack that comes with using the attack, (AC) Roserade should look to more frequently spam Sludge Bomb. Switching out after using Leaf Storm is often advised. When using Hidden Power Fire, it is best to catch Steel-types on the switch with the attack in order to secure the 2HKO on most without sustaining major damage on Roserade's part. If Sleep Powder is being run, it is great to use on forced switches in order to generate free turns for Roserade's teammates to safely switch in. It can also be used on slower foes that tank Roserade's attacks, such as Alolan Muk, Mega Aggron, and Chandelure. Faster attackers often can't safely come in on Roserade, though it should immediately switch out of them once they're in play due to its poor bulk preventing it from often even tanking one strong hit. Foes with strong priority, most notably Scizor, should also be played around carefully due to Roserade's poor bulk.

Team Options
========

Roserade fits best on offensive builds due to its power and decent offensive utility, though it can also work on balance due to its good synergy with various defensive Pokemon. Setup sweepers like Mega Altaria, Cobalion, and Terrakion are often appreciative of the Spikes support Roserade can provide them with due to more easily breaking past chipped foes. Wallbreakers like Nidoking, Primarina, and Hydreigon are also appreciative of Roserade's ability to help them secure KOs with entry hazard damage. Stealth Rock setters such as Empoleon, Krookodile, and Mamoswine can stack hazards with Roserade, further adding onto the chip damage sustained by the opposing team. Roserade appreciates Pokemon capable of dealing with the many faster threats that pressure it on its team, which makes the likes of Mega Slowbro, Hippowdon, and Diancie particularly good partners on balanced builds due to their good bulk. The former two can comfortably tank an Ice Shard from Mamoswine while all can switch in on Scizor's Bullet Punch. (no they can't diancie just dies because it's 4x weak. also saying hippo lives ice shard is true but mamo is faster and clicks icicle crash so not a great example) Bulkier attackers such as Doublade and Mega Altaria can help compensate for this issue on offensive teams. (altaria doesn't do well vs priority either) Methods of speed control checking faster foes, such as Mega Aerodactyl, Choice Scarf Krookodile, and Choice Scarf Infernape can also alleviate Roserade's weakness to faster foes low Speed. Fighting-types like Heracross and Kommo-o often have good synergy with Roserade due to appreciating the removal of Fairy-types while in return taking on Blissey, Alolan Muk, and Steel-types for it. Water-types such as Primarina and Starmie enjoy Roserade's ability to come in on Grass- and Electric-type attacks for them, while they can aid it in removing Fire-types and weakening Steel-types. Flying-type checks like Empoleon and Diancie can take on the likes of Moltres and Mega Pidgeot for Roserade, while in return both appreciate its ability to pressure bulky Water-types.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
=============

Natural Cure is plausible for allowing Roserade to come in on bulky Water-types without fear of a long-(AH)term status ailment. However, giving up Hidden Power Fire's extra power isn't worth this slight benefit. Toxic Spikes can be used over Spikes to cripple foes with poison. However, the presence of both Steel- and Poison-types makes them a lot more situationally useful than regular Spikes, which consistently damage most opposing Pokemon. Grassium Z is an option for using a powerful Grass-type attack without lowering Roserade's Special Attack, but it often fails to hit anything that isn't already adequately damaged by Leaf Storm, which isn't worth the lack of power that Life Orb will provide. Synthesis is an option for allowing Roserade to consistently recover itself, though it is too often hard to find room for due to costing because it costs utility or coverage. Roserade has access to a few powerful coverage moves, such as Extrasensory, Dazzling Gleam, and Shadow Ball that it can use to try damaging specific targets, such as Tentacruel, Hydreigon, and Bronzong. However, all targets of these attacks are generally hit decently hard by one of Roserade's STAB attacks, which makes fitting them onto sets often suboptimal.

Checks and Counters
===================

**Faster Pokemon**: Roserade's awful bulk and average Speed makes it fold to the tier's several faster offensive threats, which include Infernape, Latias, Mega Aerodactyl, and Mega Sharpedo. Potential Choice Scarf users like Rotom-H and Togekiss can also be burdensome, surprising and overpowering Roserade. (don't suggest scarf rotom-h it's really not good uu qc)

**Flying-types**: Several Flying-types will often have ways of working around Roserade quite easily. Though unable to comfortably switch in, Mega Aerodactyl and Mega Pidgeot can outspeed and OHKO it, while Mantine's good special bulk allows it to tank hits while recovering and wearing Roserade down. Crobat is particularly troublesome, due to outspeeding it while resisting both of its STAB attacks.

**Fire-types**: Fire-types can often tank a hit and KO Roserade or outspeed and pressure it. Infernape and Mega Houndoom outspeed and OHKO it, while Chandelure resists both of Roserade's STAB attacks and doesn't fear Hidden Power Fire. Moltres and Choice Scarf Rotom-H (again really outdated and bad remove) can also offensively handle Roserade, albeit less reliably due to the former disliking taking Sludge Bomb and the latter risking heavy damage from Sludge Bomb if it misses Overheat.

**Specially Bulky Pokemon**: Alolan Muk is one of the best checks to Roserade avaiable, due to its Assault Vest set tanking any of Roserade's hits while threatening it with STAB Pursuit. Blissey can also reliably sponge hits while setting up Stealth Rock for its team and whittling Roserade down with Seismic Toss. Both dislike being put to sleep, however. Umbreon and Snorlax, while not particularly common, can also adequately check Roserade.

**Strong Priority**: Roserade's horrible bulk keeps it from reliably tanking even resisted priority attacks. It is OHKOed by Scizor's Bullet Punch and Mamoswine's Ice Shard, and can only switch in on even Infernape's Choice Band-boosted Mach Punch once with Stealth Rock down. (repeat below)

**Steel-types**: Offensive Steel-types like Cobalion and Scizor can either outpace and pressure Roserade in the case of the former, or threaten to OHKO it with STAB priority Bullet Punch in the case of the latter, which also reliably walls Roserade's STAB combination. Both should be wary of coming in on Hidden Power Fire, however. Defensive Steel-types such as Mega Aggron and Klefki can both take Hidden Power Fire at least once while likely OHKOing Roserade with Heavy Slam in the case of the former or crippling it with Prankster Thunder Wave in the case of the ladder latter. Both fear being hit with Sleep Powder, though.

**Strong Priority**: Roserade's horrible bulk keeps it from reliably tanking even resisted priority attacks. It is OHKOed by Scizor's Bullet Punch, Bisharp's Life Orb boosted Sucker Punch after Stealth Rock, and Mamoswine's Ice Shard. Roserade can only switch in on even Infernape's Choice Band-boosted Mach Punch once with Stealth Rock down, (AC) as after two rounds it can be 2HKOed.

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[OVERVIEW]

Roserade has a decent niche in UU as a Spikes setter on offensive builds thanks to its decent Speed, great Special Attack, and a STAB combination that allows it to threaten several of the tier's common defensive types, including Ground, Water, and Fairy. Its access to Technician allows it to turn Technician-boosted Hidden Power Fire into a respectably powerful coverage move to hit Steel-types with, which alongside its as well as a powerful Sludge Bomb hitting the likes of Rotom-H and Moltres hard, eases its matchup against traditional Grass-type checks such as Steel-types, Rotom-H, and Moltres that trouble its main competitors in Celebi and Rotom-C more. Roserade also has resistances to common types, such as Fairy and Water, that can allow it to adequately revenge kill big metagame threats such as Primarina and Mega Slowbro. Unfortunately, Roserade suffers from its Roserade's merely decent Speed and horrid physical bulk, (RC) which both leave it heavily pressured by the majority of UU's fast physical threats and often overcome by powerful priority, such as Mamoswine's Ice Shard, Bisharp's Sucker Punch, and Scizor's Bullet Punch as well as priority users such as Mamoswine, Bisharp, and Scizor. Its typing can also hinder it defensively, due to weaknesses as it is weak to the attacks of common special threats in Latias, Kyurem, and Chandelure preventing it from properly utilizing its good Special Defense. Roserade also struggles to break past a few popular defensive Pokemon, including Blissey and particularly Alolan Muk, which tanks any of Roserade's attacks and cripples it with STAB Pursuit.

[SET]
name: Offensive
move 1: Leaf Storm
move 2: Sludge Bomb
move 3: Hidden Power Fire
move 4: Spikes
item: Life Orb
ability: Technician
nature: Timid
evs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Moves
========

Leaf Storm is a powerful STAB attack that heavily damages the majority of unresisted targets. It OHKOes all of the tier's bulky Water- and Ground-types while even threatening to KO neutral targets like Mega Aerodactyl and Reuniclus with minor chip damage. Sludge Bomb provides valuable coverage against Fairy- and Grass-types, heavily damaging the likes of Sylveon, Mega Altaria, and Rotom-C while also damaging other switch-ins to Leaf Storm, (RC) like Moltres, Latias, and Hydreigon, (RC) fairly well. Hidden Power Fire receives a boost in power from Technician and covers Steel-types like Scizor, Cobalion, and Klefki while reliably 2HKOing Amoonguss. Spikes can be set as Roserade forces switches to rack up chip damage on foes. Sleep Powder can also be used in the fourth slot to cripple some of Roserade's checks like Mega Aggron, Alolan Muk, and Snorlax, with sleep, which can generate free turns for Roserade or its teammates, although Spikes is often a better utility option for allowing Roserade to wear down its checks over time while more consistently supporting its teammates. Giga Drain is an option for restoring Roserade's health as it deals damage while providing Roserade with a Grass-type attack with more PP. However, it is too often hard to find room for due to its significant lack of power or costing coverage.

Set Details
========

Life Orb maximizes Roserade's damage output with a neutral attacking nature, notably allowing it to OHKO +1 Special Defense Mega Slowbro with Leaf Storm. Technician is the preferred ability for granting Roserade access to a 90-Base Power Hidden Power Fire. Black Sludge can be used over Life Orb to give Roserade a way of passively restoring health, though the loss in power, which includes being unable to OHKO Volcanion without Stealth Rock down, is usually not worth it considering Roserade is already quite frail.

Usage Tips
========

Due to its frailty, Roserade should primarily look to come into play with support from a pivot or after a teammate has fainted. It can, however, reliably switch into weaker special attackers such as Amoonguss and Tentacruel. From there, it should look to either punch holes in the opposing team or set up Spikes as it forces the opposing Pokemon out of play. Leaf Storm should be used to deal heavy damage to foes, though due to the decrease in Special Attack that comes with using the attack, Roserade should look to more frequently spam Sludge Bomb. Switching out after using Leaf Storm is often advised. When using Hidden Power Fire, it is best to catch Steel-types on the switch with the attack in order to secure the 2HKO on most of them without sustaining major damage on Roserade's part. If Sleep Powder is being run, it is great to use on forced switches in order to generate free turns for Roserade's teammates to safely switch in. It can also be used on slower foes that tank Roserade's attacks, such as Alolan Muk, Mega Aggron, and Chandelure. Faster attackers often can't safely come in on Roserade, though it should immediately switch out of them once they're in play due to its poor bulk preventing it from often even tanking one strong hit. Foes with strong priority, most notably Scizor, should also be played around carefully due to Roserade's poor bulk.

Team Options
========

Roserade fits best on offensive builds due to its power and decent offensive utility, though it can also work on balance due to its good synergy with various defensive Pokemon. Setup sweepers like Mega Altaria, Cobalion, and Terrakion are often appreciative can take advantage of the Spikes support Roserade can provide them with due to more easily breaking break past chipped foes. Wallbreakers like Nidoking, Primarina, and Hydreigon are also appreciative of Roserade's ability to help them secure KOs with entry hazard damage. Stealth Rock setters such as Empoleon, Krookodile, and Mamoswine can stack hazards with Roserade, further adding onto the chip damage sustained by the opposing team. Roserade appreciates Pokemon capable of dealing with the many faster threats that pressure it on its team, which makes the likes of Mega Slowbro, Hippowdon, and Diancie particularly good partners on balanced builds due to their good bulk. Bulkier attackers such as Doublade and Mega Altaria can help compensate for this issue on offensive teams. Methods of checking faster foes, such as Mega Aerodactyl, Choice Scarf Krookodile, and Choice Scarf Infernape, (AC) can also alleviate Roserade's low Speed. Fighting-types like Heracross and Kommo-o often have good synergy with Roserade due to appreciating the removal of Fairy-types while in return taking on Blissey, Alolan Muk, and Steel-types for it. Water-types such as Primarina and Starmie enjoy Roserade's ability to come in on Grass- and Electric-type attacks for them, while they can aid it in removing Fire-types and weakening Steel-types. Flying-type checks like Empoleon and Diancie can take on the likes of Moltres and Mega Pidgeot for Roserade, while in return both the aforementioned examples appreciate its ability to pressure bulky Water-types.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
=============

Natural Cure is plausible for allowing Roserade to come in on bulky Water-types without fear of a long-term status ailment. However, giving up Hidden Power Fire's extra power isn't worth this slight benefit. Toxic Spikes can be used over Spikes to cripple foes with poison. However, the presence of both Steel- and Poison-types makes them a lot more situationally useful than regular Spikes, which consistently damage most opposing Pokemon. Grassium Z is an option for using a powerful Grass-type attack without lowering Roserade's Special Attack, but it often fails to hit anything that isn't already adequately damaged by Leaf Storm, which isn't worth the lack of power that Life Orb will provide. Synthesis is an option for allowing Roserade to consistently recover itself health, though it is too often hard to find room for because it costs utility or coverage. Roserade has access to a few powerful coverage moves, such as Extrasensory, Dazzling Gleam, and Shadow Ball that it can use to try damaging specific targets, such as Tentacruel, Hydreigon, and Bronzong. However, all targets of these attacks are generally hit decently hard by one of Roserade's STAB attacks, which makes fitting them onto sets often suboptimal. (extrasensory does less than leaf storm to tent, dgleam is p much impossible to fit on the set, and shadow ball does less than hp fire to bronzong. these are unviable and have no usage and therefore should not be in oo)

Checks and Counters
===================

**Faster Pokemon**: Roserade's awful bulk and average Speed makes it fold to the tier's several faster offensive threats, which include Infernape, Latias, Mega Aerodactyl, and Mega Sharpedo. Potential Choice Scarf users like Volcanion and Togekiss can also be burdensome, surprising and overpowering Roserade.

**Flying-types**: Several Flying-types will often have ways of working around Roserade quite easily. Though unable to comfortably switch in, Mega Aerodactyl and Mega Pidgeot can outspeed and OHKO it, while Mantine's good special bulk allows it to tank hits while recovering and wearing Roserade down. Crobat is particularly troublesome, due to outspeeding it while resisting both of its STAB attacks.

**Fire-types**: Fire-types can often tank a hit and KO Roserade or outspeed and pressure it. Infernape and Mega Houndoom outspeed and OHKO it, while Chandelure resists both of Roserade's STAB attacks and doesn't fear Hidden Power Fire. Moltres and Rotom-H can also offensively handle Roserade, albeit less reliably due to both taking hefty damage from Sludge Bomb.

**Specially Bulky Pokemon**: Assault Vest Alolan Muk is one of the best checks to Roserade avaiable available, due to its Assault Vest set tanking as it tanks any of Roserade's hits while threatening it with STAB Pursuit. Blissey can also reliably sponge hits while setting up Stealth Rock for its team and whittling Roserade down with Seismic Toss. Both dislike being put to sleep, however. Umbreon and Snorlax, while not particularly common, can also adequately check Roserade.

**Steel-types**: Offensive Steel-types like Cobalion and Scizor can either outpace and pressure Roserade in the case of the former, or threaten to OHKO it with STAB priority Bullet Punch in the case of the latter, which also reliably walls resist Roserade's STAB combination and can pressure it heavily; Cobalion can outpace it and damage it with Iron Head, while Scizor threatens to OHKO it with Bullet Punch. Both should be wary of coming in on Hidden Power Fire, however. Defensive Steel-types such as Mega Aggron and Klefki can both take Hidden Power Fire at least once while likely OHKOing and heavily damage or cripple it in return. Mega Aggron can OHKO Roserade with Heavy Slam in the case of the former or crippling, (AC) and Klefki can cripple it with Prankster Thunder Wave in the case of the latter. Both They fear being hit with Sleep Powder, though. (use of like/such as phrases proceeded by mon-specific traits and statements without making a general statement to attribute to the group)

**Strong Priority**: Roserade's horrible bulk keeps it from reliably tanking even resisted priority attacks. It is OHKOed by Scizor's Bullet Punch, Bisharp's Life Orb boosted Orb-boosted Sucker Punch after Stealth Rock, and Mamoswine's Ice Shard. Roserade can only switch in on even Infernape's Choice Band-boosted Mach Punch once with Stealth Rock down, as after two rounds it can be 2HKOed.

- Written by: [[Hilomilo, 313384]]
- Quality checked by: [[martha, 384270], [Nuked, 382658], [Kreme, 224453]]
- Grammar checked by: [[martha, 384270], [A Cake Wearing A Hat, 388157]]

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