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This thread's purpose is to provide a way for users to suggest changes or improvements to any currently uploaded RU analyses that will be seen in a public forum.

Do not make trivial posts lacking content. This thread is only for important analysis discussion and isn't the place for anything else.
 

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Given this thread will very likely remain unused over 90% of the time, lets use this to message to mention analyses that have been completed (and for needed revamps in the future ofc).

Silvally-Dark, Frosmoth, Steelix, Gastrodon, Vileplume, Whimsicott, Cinccino, Indeedee-M, Raichu-Alola, Ninetales, Scrafty have been uploaded. Threads are being moved accordingly. Thank you very much everyone for their contributions!
 

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So mavis teched an AV Snorlax that's designed to lure in and take out Snorlax's usual checks and after seeing it in action i think it's viable enough to be onsite. The set is below:

Snorlax @ Assault Vest
Ability: Immunity / Thick Fat
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Double-Edge
- Darkest Lariat
- Seed Bomb
- Earthquake / Heat Crash

Immunity stops Salazzle from being able to poison it, defensive investment stops Rhydon from 2HKOing with EQ and Passimian from OHKOing with CC. Seed Bomb destroys Rhydon, Gastrodon, and random Quagsire that might want to come in expecting the Curse set, and max attack Lariat destroys ghosts.

Outside of luring in these Pokemon to take them out it still serves its job as a bulky blanket check just fine from the matches i watched and i think it's effective and consistent enough to go onsite. Mavis said she'd be happy to write it up.
 
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free the king Chople Berry DD Scrafty

bulk lets u get 1 or 2 dds p easily, chople stops revenge attempts from the most common scarfers and/or lets u set up on stuff like viriz.

Scrafty @ Chople Berry
Ability: Moxie
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Dragon Dance
- Close Combat
- Knock Off
- Iron Head / Zen Headbutt

some replays of it sweeping in RUgged mountain games ive played recently:
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen8ru-1119570459
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen8ru-1119441526
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen8ru-1117625681
 

HailFall

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Magnezone should have a choice scarf set.

Magnezone @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Magnet Pull
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Thunderbolt
- Flash Cannon
- Volt Switch
- Toxic / Tri Attack

ID + BP has serious issues with being dead weight in certain matchups. Scarf Mag maintains being an actual Pokemon even without anything to trap, and does a good job wearing down the likes of Cobalion/Metagross/Registeel by volting on them and grabbing momentum. On top of this it has a reasonable amount of defensive utility, potentially switching into Xurk/Thundy as well as checking Togekiss and Garde. It's efficient role compression and fits well especially on offense, as a partner for stuff like Linoone and Mimikyu (which are admittedly niche, but far from unviable). Really anything else that appreciates Cobalion gone can also benefit from Scarf Mag.
 
Hi all, just posting a suggested change to the current Arctozolt analyses.
:ss/arctozolt:
Arctozolt @ Life Orb
Ability: Slush Rush
EVs: 252 Atk / 32 SpA / 224 Spe
Naive Nature
- Bolt Beak
- Hydro Pump
- Freeze-Dry
- Blizzard / Low Kick / Substitute

This is quite similar to the current Arctozolt analyses in terms of move choices, however, I think this set makes a few optimizations over the current analyses set that make it worth considering. For starters, the EV spread is tweaked. This gives Arctozolt much more damage output on the physical side of things, while not missing out on any important KO's with its special attacks. This is because Hydro Pump is guaranteed to 2HKO Steelix after hail damage regardless of investment, and Freeze Dry will similarly OHKO its primary targets in Gastrodon and Seismitoad without the need for any investment. That being said, I chose to dump a few EVs into SpAtk anyways in order to give Hydro Pump and Freeze-Dry a bit more firepower. The Speed EVs remain the same; with enough speed to creep Scarf Heracross while Slush Rush is active. The main point of contention that I have with the original set is that it chooses to run Blizzard with a large amount of SpAtk investment in order to "2HKO Steelix with Blizzard after Stealth Rock and a layer of Spikes". This does not make any sense to me. For starters, as previously mentioned, Hydro Pump will already 2HKO Steelix after hail damage regardless of investment, so I do not see any utility in running this much SpAtk investment. Second, I think that the amount of Bolt Beak damage that Arctozolt sacrifices just to 2HKO Steelix in this extremely specific scenario is a little bit ridiculous, and overall, I believe it leads to a net loss in terms of functionality. Now, for the last move, I still think that Blizzard is fine, as it hits Grass-types such as Zarude, Vileplume, and Roserade that resist Bolt Beak for massive damage. However, Low Kick is also a 100% accurate option to 2HKO Steelix after a layer of Spikes and hail damage, in addition to OHKO'ing Stakataka after a layer of Spikes. Substitute is an option to ease prediction, but this wears down Arctozolt extremely quickly between Substitute damage and Life Orb recoil. Lastly, EviGaro suggested the idea of running Protect in order to block First Impression and scout against faster Choice Scarf users, which can have its utility depending on your team composition. I'm not exactly sure how the process of editing analyses works, but I just wanted to post this to at least have somebody consider it. Cheers.
 
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Xurkitree's overview was clearly designed for when Choice Scarf was the only set, meaning it doesn't look accurate now. Most notably, at the end it says:

"Xurkitree is mostly outclassed at everything except Choice Scarf cleaning, making it a very predictable Pokemon"

This doesn't really make sense when the first set doesn't use a Choice Scarf at all. Perhaps it would be better if it said something like Xurkitree's poor movepool makes it predictable?
 
Hey guys just wondering if I should include sash lead Slurpuff in my analysis, it can set sticky web and cripple an opponents pokemon effectively while maintaining momentum for its teammates so I think it's worth mentioning.

:xy/Slurpuff:
[SET]
Name: Sash Lead
Move 1: Sticky Web
Move 2: Yawn
Move 3: Endeavor / Magic Coat
Move 4: Misty Explosion
Item: Focus Sash
Ability: Unburden
Nature: Hasty
IVs: 0 HP / 0 Atk / 0 Def / 0 SpD
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

z: good idea, I see you've written the set already so this is fine
 
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TailGlowVM

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I thought I should mention, as the QC team seems to have forgotten about it, that Magnezone still has its RU analysis up even though it is not in the tier anymore. As a badgeholder, I can delete it for you if you want, but didn't want to submit without asking in case there was some reason you kept it up.
 

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I thought I should mention, as the QC team seems to have forgotten about it, that Magnezone still has its RU analysis up even though it is not in the tier anymore. As a badgeholder, I can delete it for you if you want, but didn't want to submit without asking in case there was some reason you kept it up.
We initially kept it up in consideration that it might drop the month after it rose up to OU. There was also the consideration that the final product that was in the on-site analysis was different from the one in the Smogon archives because we had made some adjustments through CMS.

Thanks for the reminder, I'll delete it after I've saved the analysis in a paste to preserve the changes that were made to it.
 
Hi again, something random I noticed while skimming through RU analyses out of boredom was that some mons still have a Light Clay dual screens set listed on analysis after Clay got banned. Obviously not saying this is like a horrible thing(i mean, come on, it was just banned on Saturday) but these pages might be worth taking a look at if somebody has free time since it isnt reflective of current meta anymore.

 

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