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Singles Victim of the Week [Current Victim: Landorus-T] ~ VOTING ~
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Also, if you're vengeful, remember that Whimsicott can learn Stun Spore and Swagger, so a set with Sub, Stun Spore, and Swagger could work too.
Personally though, I think Leech Seed is a great move on Whimsi, and I would slash it with protect, sub, or taunt (Taunt and Sub on the same set is a tiny bit redundant imo). It can also give you more momentum.
Keep in mind that Thundurus is immune to Earthquake by nature of being electric/flying, so I recommend editing out the part where it says: 252 Atk Lickilicky Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Thundurus: 114-136 (74 - 88.3%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO after Stealth RockOk so let's try this. The first Pokemon that came to mind is Lickilicky!
I don't know why.
Lickilicky @ Leftovers
Ability: Oblivious
EVs: 252 HP / 56 Atk Def / 200 SpD
Careful Nature
- Body Slam/Return
- Rock Tomb/Rock Slide
- Knock Off
- Filler
A few calcs...
56 Atk Lickilicky Return vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Thundurus: 72-85 (46.7 - 55.1%) -- 70.7% chance to 2HKO
56 Atk Lickilicky Body Slam vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Thundurus: 60-72 (38.9 - 46.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
56 Atk Lickilicky Rock Slide vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Thundurus: 72-86 (46.7 - 55.8%) -- 73.4% chance to 2HKO
56 Atk Lickilicky Rock Tomb vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Thundurus: 56-68 (36.3 - 44.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252 SpA Life Orb Thundurus Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 200+ SpD Lickilicky: 75-91 (34.5 - 41.9%) -- 84.4% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
252 SpA Life Orb Thundurus Focus Blast vs. 252 HP / 200+ SpD Lickilicky: 135-161 (62.2 - 74.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
252 SpA Life Orb Thundurus Hidden Power Ice vs. 252 HP / 200+ SpD Lickilicky: 35-42 (16.1 - 19.3%) -- possible 8HKO after Leftovers recovery
Oblivious is a big draw in Licki's favour although with SwagPlay an option you certainly cannot dismiss Own Tempo. While Thundy will of course pose a big threat back, support is viable, SR, Roar, EQ if under Gravity or Smack'd Down
56 Atk Lickilicky Rock Tomb vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Thundurus: 56-68 (36.3 - 44.1%) -- 97.3% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock
56 Atk Lickilicky Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Thundurus: 94-112 (61 - 72.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
Playing with the Attack EV's...
252 Atk Lickilicky Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Thundurus: 114-136 (74 - 88.3%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
252 SpA Life Orb Thundurus Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 4+ SpD Lickilicky: 94-110 (43.3 - 50.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
And that's just with the typing advantage. It turns Return and Body Slam into guaranteed 2hko, doing over 50%.
I find it important enough to edit that Rollout is probably the best move to use. I'll need to revisit the calculator as when I looked initially, it wouldn't let me do anything. If Licki can set up, it may only need one boost for a 2HKO.
A couple of weeks too late and you didn't read the whole post.
Avalugg @ Leftovers
Ability: Own Tempo
Level: 50
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 SpD
Careful Nature
- Curse
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
- Avalanche
Even though we already have a clear winner this week, I wanted to post this anyway because I’ve already played around with the calcs while writing this so might as well :D
I think Avalugg is a great check to SwagPlay users, thanks to his ability Own Tempo which prevents confusion, it can safely switch into any SwagPlay users.
STAB Avalanche will OHKO more than half the listed pokemon.
Rest is necessary to prevent Toxic stall, or be crippled by Burn.
Sleep Talk is there so Avalugg is not a sitting duck during sleep (or Spore).
Curse rounds off this set nicely giving boosts in both atk and def, so that Foul Play will not be able to completely overpower Avalugg at +6, it’s also needed to set up against Klefki who won’t be taking much from Avalanche.
Calcs
Foul Play vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Avalugg: 40-48 (19.8 - 23.7%) -- possible 6HKO after Leftovers recovery
4 Atk Avalugg Avalanche vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Liepard: 132-156 (77.1 - 91.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
4 Atk Avalugg Avalanche vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Thundurus/Tornadus: 206-246 (110.7 - 132.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
4 Atk Avalugg Avalanche vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Murkrow: 122-146 (73 - 87.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
4 Atk Avalugg Avalanche vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Sableye: 67-81 (42.6 - 51.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
4 Atk Avalugg Avalanche vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Mega Sableye: 49-58 (31.2 - 36.9%) -- 70.7% chance to 3HKO
4 Atk Avalugg Avalanche vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Klefki: 42-50 (25.6 - 30.4%) -- 1.2% chance to 4HKO after Leftovers recovery
Sorry for the wait on this one guys! It seems like we may already know the winner without having to even vote, but we're gonna do it anyways. Nominating something myself may seem futile at this point but I thought I would just leave my idea here regardless.. And look, it's the SafeguardNite set I used in The Next Best Thing!
Dragonite @ Lum Berry
Ability: Multiscale
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Safeguard
- Outrage
- Earthquake
- Dragon Dance / Extreme Speed
So this guy basically absorbs the incoming Swagger or Thunder Wave (or Assist Spore from Liepard) with his Lum Berry and sets up Safeguard to stop them from doing it again. He can then straight up attack whichever SwagPlay user in in front of him, or set up Dragon Dance if you chose to run it. Only really stopped by first Taunting him but the threat of a Choice Band set is too great to risk using it I think.
Dragonite @ Lum Berry
Ability: Multiscale
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Safeguard
- Outrage
- Earthquake
- Dragon Dance / Extreme Speed
So this guy basically absorbs the incoming Swagger or Thunder Wave (or Assist Spore from Liepard) with his Lum Berry and sets up Safeguard to stop them from doing it again. He can then straight up attack whichever SwagPlay user in in front of him, or set up Dragon Dance if you chose to run it. Only really stopped by first Taunting him but the threat of a Choice Band set is too great to risk using it I think.
- 252+ Atk Dragonite Outrage vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Liepard: 195-229 (114 - 133.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO
- 252+ Atk Dragonite Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Klefki: 100-118 (60.9 - 71.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
- 252+ Atk Dragonite Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Klefki: 138-164 (84.1 - 100%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO
- 0 SpA Klefki Dazzling Gleam vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Multiscale Dragonite: 39-46 (23.4 - 27.7%) -- 71.9% chance to 4HKO
- 0 SpA Klefki Dazzling Gleam vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Dragonite: 78-92 (46.9 - 55.4%) -- 64.8% chance to 2HKO
- Klefki doesn't have any attacking moves in the top 10 though. If he Swaggers you then lol
- 252+ Atk Dragonite Outrage vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Thundurus: 153-181 (98.7 - 116.7%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO
- 252 SpA Thundurus Hidden Power Ice vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Multiscale Dragonite: 68-80 (40.9 - 48.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
- 252 SpA Thundurus Hidden Power Ice vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Dragonite: 136-160 (81.9 - 96.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
- 252+ Atk Dragonite Outrage vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Tornadus: 153-181 (98.7 - 116.7%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO
- 252 SpA Tornadus Icy Wind vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Multiscale Dragonite: 62-74 (37.3 - 44.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
- 252 SpA Tornadus Icy Wind vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Dragonite: 124-148 (74.6 - 89.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
- ok this guy is a little annoying since you can't Dragon Dance and outspeed on the next turn to OHKO with Outrage due to Icy Wind dropping your speed, so if you do that or miss the OHKO with unboosted Outrage then you'll lose (unless you get a lucky miss). It's best to just use Outrage straight away instead of Safeguard I think.
- 252+ Atk Dragonite Outrage vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Sableye: 100-118 (63.6 - 75.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
- +1 252+ Atk Dragonite Outrage vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Sableye: 150-177 (95.5 - 112.7%) -- 75% chance to OHKO
- 0- Atk Sableye Foul Play vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Multiscale Dragonite: 48-57 (28.9 - 34.3%) -- 2.2% chance to 3HKO
- +1 0- Atk Sableye Foul Play vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Multiscale Dragonite: 72-84 (43.3 - 50.6%) -- 2.3% chance to 2HKO
- 0- Atk Sableye Foul Play vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Dragonite: 96-114 (57.8 - 68.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
- +1 0- Atk Sableye Foul Play vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Dragonite: 144-169 (86.7 - 101.8%) -- 18.8% chance to OHKO
- I would probably go Safeguard > Outrage and grab the 2HKO since if you boost and hope for the OHKO you can end up losing...
- 252+ Atk Dragonite Outrage vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Murkrow: 90-106 (53.8 - 63.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
- +1 252+ Atk Dragonite Outrage vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Murkrow: 135-159 (80.8 - 95.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
- Foul Play calcs are obviously the same as Sableye. Same deal, I would Safeguard > Outrage and get the 2HKO since you could die trying to boost.
- I think it's funny that Murkrow is the bulkiest
LET'S VOTE!
- freekhoorn - Whimsicott
- GroudonEmpire - Mega Sableye
- bobochan - Avalugg
- cant say - Dragonite
Really no need to state the reason in voting for Mega Sablaye.
GroudonEmpire
GroudonEmpire
bobochan due to surprise factor. Though swagplay has luck elements, vs things like offensive phys attackers it is a big no if you are using swagplay legitimately which would be for having relatively passive mons like walls kill emselves. That is why Avalugg vs Dnite, I'd pick the avalugg even w/o own tempo but own tempo really makes it more interesting. Safeguard is sweet tho especially for the team, but ditto will come in and copy your boosts etc. soooo Id rather it be a more passive n lol choice scarf lol avalugg
I'm voting for Freekhoorn's Whimsicott, having used it in AG with great success. I'd replace protect with leech seed though, as protect seems like a waay too specific move that leaves whimsy nearly useless after stoping the swag-player.
One of the best things with whimsy is it's ability to force out swag-play users with taunt, and then start sub-seeding on the switch :) it also doesn't take an incredibly valuable mega slot.
Btw, mega sableye is weak to persim-berry play rough swagger substitute klefki.
One of the best things with whimsy is it's ability to force out swag-play users with taunt, and then start sub-seeding on the switch :) it also doesn't take an incredibly valuable mega slot.
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GroudonEmpire because Mega Sableye just holds the middle finger to SwagPlay and T-Wave. Not to mention that it's the only viable Magic Bouncer to take on pokes who use SwagPlay.
Bonus points to bobochan for a really unique and eye-catching set for Avalugg. I would've voted for you, but para hax is always a thing =/
Bonus points to bobochan for a really unique and eye-catching set for Avalugg. I would've voted for you, but para hax is always a thing =/
Well I'm sure it comes as no surprise that GroudonEmpire's Mega Sableye set won this week. If you really hate SwagPlay and can spare the slot, Sableye really screws it up for the opponent! Just remember that you don't have Magic Bounce before mega-evolving, so don't go switching it into a Taunt or Swagger in regular form!
Onto the next victim. I'm surprised we actually haven't done this one yet since it's a super popular mon and causes headaches for many offensive teams. We're gonna talk about ways to stopSmogonbird Talonflame! I suppose the reason we haven't done Talonflame yet is because it has some pretty obvious counters, but not everyone wants to put a Rotom on their team, so try to be creative with your nominations!
Onto the next victim. I'm surprised we actually haven't done this one yet since it's a super popular mon and causes headaches for many offensive teams. We're gonna talk about ways to stop
Tyrantrum @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Rock Head
Level: 50
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Head Smash
- Outrage / Dragon Claw
- Earthquake
- Fire Fang
More or less any viable Rock-type is capable of switching in on Talonflame, unless it has a secondary type that compromises its resistance to Fire or Flying. Tyrantrum doesn't have that problem, so it can pretty safely come in on any of Talonflame's attacks (besides Will-o-Wisp T.T) and obliterate it with a Head Smash. It also discourages switches because Head Smash obliterates most other things too n_n The other moves are just for hitting the things that maybe could switch in on Head Smash: Outrage donks Garchomp and acts as a secondary STAB for when Tyrantrum is cleaning up but you don't want to risk Head Smash's terrible accuracy, Earthquake hits Aegislash, Metagross and Excadrill, and Fire Fang hits Skarmory, Ferrothorn and Scizor. A decent Garchomp replacement for when you have a Scarf Garchomp but Talonflame sweeps you [:
Ampharos @ Ampharosite
Ability: Static
Level: 50
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpA
Bold Nature
- Volt Switch
- Power Gem
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Focus Blast
Nominating Mega Ampharos as a great check to Talonflame~
It can safely come in on moves from any Talonflame set, and still threaten to OHKO no matter which set it is running.
A Bold nature and defensive spread is necessary to take a possible banded Flare Blitz before mega evolution, still preventing a 2OHKO after mega evolving.
Volt Switch offers nice momentum and Power Gem to hit the likes of Talonflame and Volcarona.
HP Ice gives near perfect coverage along with Volt Switch which OHKOs those 4x weak to it.
Finally Focus Blast for Mega Kang, Heatran and Tyranitar.
Calcs
Before Mega
252+ Atk Choice Band Talonflame Flare Blitz vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Ampharos: 100-118 (50.7 - 59.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
After Mega
252+ Atk Choice Band Talonflame Flare Blitz vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Mega Ampharos: 43-51 (21.8 - 25.8%) -- 5.2% chance to 4HKO
+2 252+ Atk Life Orb Talonflame Brave Bird vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Mega Ampharos: 74-88 (37.5 - 44.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
4 SpA Mold Breaker Mega Ampharos Power Gem vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Talonflame: 252-300 (164.7 - 196%) -- guaranteed OHKO
4 SpA Mold Breaker Mega Ampharos Power Gem vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Talonflame: 172-204 (92.9 - 110.2%) -- 50% chance to OHKO
Aerodactyl @ Aerodactylite
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Rock Slide
- Aerial Ace
- Roost
- Ice Fang
Aerodactyl can take 2 banded BB's if necessary. It outspeeds talon so you can KO it with Rock Slide without worrying about will o wisp shenanigans. It's a pretty safe check with roost since you can roost off any damage you took from brave birds. You can use stone edge too but for beating talon, rock slide is fine and safer. And if you want to be really safe you could even run rock tomb, doesnt matter much for this purpose.
Rotom-Heat @ Leftovers
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 Def
Bold Nature
- Thunderbolt
- Overheat
- Will-O-Wisp
- Volt Switch / Pain Split
Bog standard defensive rotom-h. Resists both of talonflame's STABs and can hit back hard with its own thunderbolts. If talonflame U-turns out, you can maintain your momentum by volt switching. Pain split and chesto-resto are also options if you need more recovery.
Rotom-H's typing + ability makes it a great blanket check to many pokemon, so it's pretty easy to fit it on a team. Just watch out for rock moves and mold breaker excadrills!
Omastar @ Life Orb / Lum Berry / Focus Sash
Ability: Swift Swim
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Hydro Pump
- Ice Beam
- Shell Smash / Rain Dance
- Hidden Power Grass / Earth Power
I don't really know too well if this actually works well in Battle Spot itself, but I thought it would be a fun idea nominating it. :D This set counters all versions of Talonflame, although watch out for switching into boosted ones. Omastar can even take advantage of Talonflame by setting up Rain Dance if you don't have a rain setter (which you most likely won't since rain teams are medicore in BSS) and attempt a sweep with its doubled speed. Hydro Pump is for STAB and Talonflame, Ice Beam is for Dragons, Shell Smash can be used if you're using a rain team with Omastar, rain dance otherwise, and HP grass is for coverage since bulky waters wall this set. Earth Power can be used too, but you miss out on coverage for Rotom-W.
This poke does best on Rain teams, but if you're just planning to just slap it onto your team, make sure that you use rain dance.
252+ Atk Choice Band Talonflame Brave Bird vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Omastar: 51-60 (35.1 - 41.3%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
+2 252 Atk Life Orb Talonflame Brave Bird vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Omastar: 81-95 (55.8 - 65.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+2 252 Atk Life Orb Talonflame Brave Bird vs. -1 0 HP / 4 Def Omastar: 121-142 (83.4 - 97.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Talonflame Brave Bird vs. -1 0 HP / 4 Def Omastar: 76-90 (52.4 - 62%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 SpA Omastar Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Talonflame: 234-276 (126.4 - 149.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252 Atk Life Orb Talonflame Brave Bird vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Omastar: 81-95 (55.8 - 65.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+2 252 Atk Life Orb Talonflame Brave Bird vs. -1 0 HP / 4 Def Omastar: 121-142 (83.4 - 97.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Talonflame Brave Bird vs. -1 0 HP / 4 Def Omastar: 76-90 (52.4 - 62%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 SpA Omastar Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Talonflame: 234-276 (126.4 - 149.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Magcargo @ Leftovers
Ability: Flame Body
EVs: 244 HP / 252 Def / 12 SpA
Nature: Bold
- Recover
- Will-O-Wisp / Toxic
- Lava Plume / Fire Blast
- Ancient Power
I seriously fell asleep while I was doing this.... ;-;
Magcargo had shown to be somewhat of an interest to me a few days ago fiddling with it as of recent. I know it's quite underrated, but Magcargo can really wall Talonflame given that its Rock / Fire typing resists both Brave Bird and Flare Blitz. With Magcargo being 4x resistant against Fire and 2x resistant to Flying and Bug moves. Not to mention, Magcargo is immune to burn so Will-O-Wisp is useless. I even forgot that it has access to Recover as well. The fiery slug is pretty overshadowed, but it can hold its own against certain Pokemon in battle. Lets get started with the moveset.
Recover gives Magcargo a reliable way to replenish HP after taking damage. With that in mind especially 1v1 (even when Talonflame is the only remaining Pokemon left on the opponent's side), Magcargo can just stall out Talonflame's Brave Birds and Flare Blitz, as it takes damage from recoil. Will-O-Wisp can be used to cripple predicted switch-ins for physical attacks if they choose to switch Talonflame out. Toxic can be an alternative to increase residual damage every turn while stalling with Recover. Lava Plume can be a choice to use to attack at a chance to get possible burns as well. Fire Blast can be used as an alternate for more power but with less accuracy. It can get rid of Grass-, Steel-, Ice-, and Bug-types. Ancient Power is another STAB move for Magcargo hitting Bug-, Fire-, Flying-, and Ice-types such as Volcarona, Charizard, Salamence, Thundurus, and Glalie. Also if you're lucky enough, Magcargo would get a possible increase in Attack, Defense, Special Attack, Special Defense, and Speed!!! For the given EVs, 244 HP and 252 Defense with a Bold nature maximizes Magcargo's defensive capabilities. The remaining 12 Special Attack gives Magcargo a little damage output. Flame Body can get burns on Pokemon that make contact with it.
Be careful of Ground-, Water-, and Fighting-types and moves.
Choice Band:
252+ Atk Choice Band Talonflame Brave Bird vs. 240 HP / 252+ Def Magcargo: 39-47 (25.1 - 30.3%) -- 1.3% chance to 4HKO after Leftovers recovery
252+ Atk Choice Band Talonflame Flare Blitz vs. 240 HP / 252+ Def Magcargo: 19-23 (12.2 - 14.8%) -- possibly the worst move ever
252+ Atk Choice Band Talonflame U-turn vs. 240 HP / 252+ Def Magcargo: 15-18 (9.6 - 11.6%) -- possibly the worst move ever
Life Orb:
252+ Atk Life Orb Talonflame Brave Bird vs. 240 HP / 252+ Def Magcargo: 34-40 (21.9 - 25.8%) -- possible 5HKO after Leftovers recovery
252+ Atk Life Orb Talonflame Flare Blitz vs. 240 HP / 252+ Def Magcargo: 17-19 (10.9 - 12.2%) -- possibly the worst move ever
252+ Atk Life Orb Talonflame U-turn vs. 240 HP / 252+ Def Magcargo: 13-16 (8.3 - 10.3%) -- possibly the worst move ever
No item boost:
252+ Atk Talonflame Brave Bird vs. 240 HP / 252+ Def Magcargo: 26-31 (16.7 - 20%) -- possible 7HKO after Leftovers recovery
252+ Atk Talonflame Flare Blitz vs. 240 HP / 252+ Def Magcargo: 13-15 (8.3 - 9.6%) -- possibly the worst move ever
252+ Atk Talonflame U-turn vs. 240 HP / 252+ Def Magcargo: 10-12 (6.4 - 7.7%) -- possibly the worst move ever
Sharp Beak:
252+ Atk Sharp Beak Talonflame Brave Bird vs. 240 HP / 252+ Def Magcargo: 31-37 (20 - 23.8%) -- possible 6HKO after Leftovers recovery
Ancient Power Magcargo:
12 SpA Magcargo Ancient Power vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Talonflame: 160-192 (103.8 - 124.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
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In that case:
Relicanth @ Choice Band
Ability: Rock Head
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Nature: Adamant
- Head Smash
- Waterfall / Aqua Tail
- Earthquake
- Zen Headbutt
I didn't expect to actually find much in the way of usage stats for this but there's quite the assortment of items here. Choice Band is solid given that Relicanth is one of the five Rock types that gets Head Smash, and really Talonflame can't do anything to Relicanth regardless thanks to base 100 HP and 130 Def. Even a burned Relicanth is going to smash the bird so that's a nonfactor when it comes to just beating Talonflame. Waterfall is the obligatory safe secondary STAB though Aqua Tail works if you're not afraid of missing already with Head Smash. Earthquake rounds out coverage with Head Smash and also lets it hit grounded Electric types and Mega Lucario (good luck surviving special hits though), and Zen Headbutt lets it hit Fighting types like Conkeldurr, Breloom and Mega Lopunny on a switch-in. Really the only other option would be Double-Edge to abuse Rock Head but I can't think of anything that hits.
Alternatively you can go for a Brave nature built as a countermeasure to Trick Room or if you want Relicanth to have a chance to outspeed anything, though Relicanth kinda struggles to beat opposing Trick Room Pokemon so that could run into trouble against other Trick Room builds. Relicanth could be kinda fun and options like Rock Tomb, Yawn and Stealth Rock gives it some nice utility beyond Choice Band but this is something that really needs team support if you're using it to beat Talonflame over another Rock type.