you just chose the wrong people to ghost you, idiot
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Playoffs Smogon Grand Slam IV - Play-offs - No Winner
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Let's suppose ladder will be more important than tournaments. Do you really think people won't ghost/get ghosted on ladder?
You're all dreamers if you really think this.
You're talking like ghosting on ladder, boosting, abuse of modjoin+disconnects and shared accounts don't exist lol
Can we give the trophy to the OM Grand Slam winner?
Just to clarify; I wasn't the one implying that.
I believe it's so easy to say "tournaments are shit wtf people just cheat and ruin tournaments this sucks" without a real solution to problems. TDs can also see this with their eyes without the need of these unproductive (or better disruptive, since they are just a shit-throw) posts, claiming these issues without proposing anything is like taunting tournament staff's intelligence. If you don't have any proposal it'd be better you don't post at all
People ghosting really pisses me off. I'm probably gonna sound super cringey here, but I just want to say it anyway so please be nice.
Pokémon is a game. Games are designed to be fun to play. If you would go as far as cheating just to win, quite frankly you are not only compromising your own integrity, the integrity of the person or people who ghosted you and the integrity of the tournament you are playing in, but you are also compromising the integrity of Pokémon as a game. If you are playing the game in such a way that is not fun for yourself and/or your opponent just for the sake of winning some silly online tour then it stops feeling like a game. This is not the intention of the tours, and it is not the intention of the game either. If you don't find Pokémon or any format fun to play, don't play it it; if you do find it fun and choose to enter tours like this, instead of having other people build you teams and tell you what to do every single turn you should learn to play the format you are playing and get as far as you can by your own hand. If that hand is not enough, practice it more so you can get further the next time you compete. Don't find other players to play for you. It baffles me that people who are too lazy to learn the game they are playing sign up for these tours just to get someone else to play for them, and if you have this attitude then you need to grow up and realise that what you are doing is utterly selfish; getting ghosted and ripping away the chances of people who actually have put in the effort to learn the format and play to the best of their own ability completely defeats the purpose of a tournament and just acts as proof that you are an utter asshole.
Pokémon is a game. Games are designed to be fun to play. If you would go as far as cheating just to win, quite frankly you are not only compromising your own integrity, the integrity of the person or people who ghosted you and the integrity of the tournament you are playing in, but you are also compromising the integrity of Pokémon as a game. If you are playing the game in such a way that is not fun for yourself and/or your opponent just for the sake of winning some silly online tour then it stops feeling like a game. This is not the intention of the tours, and it is not the intention of the game either. If you don't find Pokémon or any format fun to play, don't play it it; if you do find it fun and choose to enter tours like this, instead of having other people build you teams and tell you what to do every single turn you should learn to play the format you are playing and get as far as you can by your own hand. If that hand is not enough, practice it more so you can get further the next time you compete. Don't find other players to play for you. It baffles me that people who are too lazy to learn the game they are playing sign up for these tours just to get someone else to play for them, and if you have this attitude then you need to grow up and realise that what you are doing is utterly selfish; getting ghosted and ripping away the chances of people who actually have put in the effort to learn the format and play to the best of their own ability completely defeats the purpose of a tournament and just acts as proof that you are an utter asshole.
he hasnt been caught so did he really chose the wrong people?
Basically pathetic people doing pathetic things. When it's more important to be perceived as "good" by a pokemon community than just having fun playing the game, something needs to change in your life, no lie.
Cut it with the enmity
You all are more than capable of discussing this civilly
You all are more than capable of discussing this civilly
Here's a picture of Casper.
I said this in the OST thread and I'll say it again here. I don't think this punishment is severe enough. It's been 3 times in this calendar year alone that a major tour winner has been stripped of a trophy for ghosting, and another in Classic playoffs last year. What I think needs to happen is a cultural change (considering there have been a number of accusations of ghosting in the past, true or otherwise), and someone needs to say that this is not okay, and bring down the hammer on any future offenders. I, personally, think it should be a permanent tour ban for all parties, but that's not my decision to make.
Also, GSlam can keep its format imo, it's just the bad apples that are screwing things up.
Also, GSlam can keep its format imo, it's just the bad apples that are screwing things up.
Like michaeloche said a moment ago the practical solution to ending ghosting is to change the culture of the community. Nothing can ultimately eliminate ghosting with a turn based game over the internet like this one. However, dissociating those who ghost and actively obstructing ghosting are good steps to be taking. Strict punishments alongside a cultural shift is likely the best approach to fixing this issue.
I don't get why TDs are considering removing this tournament because of ghosting occuring. When a much worse case of cheating occurred in the last OST, it was never considered for dropping and instead a $100 prize was added. This is currently the only official, individual tournament in which smogon's non-OU official metagames are represented, and it would be a real shame if it were completely removed because some people decided to ghost (which isn't restricted to Slam at all). If this tournament is replaced or changed, I hope it at least retains a focus on the lower tiers.
Stratos
Banned deucer.
(to llamas) i think the real problem is that the grand slam format encourages ghosting, more than any other official tour.
There's a bit of ghosting in doubles seasonals, of course, but for the most part it's very clean, certainly nothing like this. You could argue that people would get ghosted at a higher rate if there were a trophy on the line, and that's true, but even then i really doubt that someone getting ghosted would win the whole thing. The best players wouldn't ghost, and in fact they'd heavily help prep people who weren't being ghosted to try and take out the puppets if they didn't get to them themselves—and because the best players aren't ghosting, getting ghosted doesn't actually help you win the tour all that much.
Compare to slam, which rewards having approximate knowledge in many things. There's simply no way you can have the time to learn five (six in playoffs) metagames at a very high level unless you're in middle school. Tier specialists such as myself may have a shot to win an Open (i certainly didn't this year, lol) but in the end that's not going to put you in playoffs; meanwhile you can do just decently in a bunch of tiers by assembling a squad of mid-level ghosters and that's the actual winning strat. You could say it's similar for old gens in the Classic but because old gens don't change nearly as much the effort requirement is lower—and there actually are people who are beasts at enough old gens to take the tour without help, like Ojama BKC or Heist.
It's a shame, I don't want Slam to go away on the one hand because I see it as "advertisement" for DOU, but on the other hand, the format is pretty clearly broken.
There's a bit of ghosting in doubles seasonals, of course, but for the most part it's very clean, certainly nothing like this. You could argue that people would get ghosted at a higher rate if there were a trophy on the line, and that's true, but even then i really doubt that someone getting ghosted would win the whole thing. The best players wouldn't ghost, and in fact they'd heavily help prep people who weren't being ghosted to try and take out the puppets if they didn't get to them themselves—and because the best players aren't ghosting, getting ghosted doesn't actually help you win the tour all that much.
Compare to slam, which rewards having approximate knowledge in many things. There's simply no way you can have the time to learn five (six in playoffs) metagames at a very high level unless you're in middle school. Tier specialists such as myself may have a shot to win an Open (i certainly didn't this year, lol) but in the end that's not going to put you in playoffs; meanwhile you can do just decently in a bunch of tiers by assembling a squad of mid-level ghosters and that's the actual winning strat. You could say it's similar for old gens in the Classic but because old gens don't change nearly as much the effort requirement is lower—and there actually are people who are beasts at enough old gens to take the tour without help, like Ojama BKC or Heist.
It's a shame, I don't want Slam to go away on the one hand because I see it as "advertisement" for DOU, but on the other hand, the format is pretty clearly broken.
There is a new punishment for all future ghosting of a full year tour ban, 3 point infraction and a custom banner to shame them, as well as them being ineligible for managerial positions in SPL/WCOP for 2 years. This was put into place on Monday.
Quite why it's not being done here though...
Why do people keep bringing up the $100 prize. I make that in less than 3 hours of work. You poor people. Smh.
Why not doing a different stours format with like Ubers | UU | OU/RU instead of Gslam
Out of genuine curiosity, I must ask why these players aren't being perma-banned? If someone is willing to cheat once, they will do it again. How exactly is a temporary ban sufficient? All of those other things don't do much either, a 3 point infraction does not stop them from cheating in the future, a banner doesn't either. This is exactly what we mean when we say they need to be punished more harshly; a temporary ban simply is not enough.
i can't attest to grand slam's format but the smogon tour format is already subpar, people complain about each one taking too long as it is, and that a better alternative would be to use PS automated tour system. i don't think that cookie cutting a currently unsatisfactory system is the best way to go about things
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