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there is one ban that I don't fully understand: king's rock.

this item has been banned in gens 5 8 and 9 but for some reason it is allowed on every other gen.
I understand about gen 4 allowing it because only the last strike of the multy-strike moves has a flinch chance, but why is it legal on gens 6 and 7?
wasn't it banned due to cloyster's 40% flinch chance?
King's Rock was quite broken on Cloyster and probably even more on Maushold
 

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King's Rock was quite broken on Cloyster and probably even more on Maushold
maushold didn't exist in gens 8 and 5.
and cloyster was still available at gens 6 and 7 but king's rock wasn't banned there. why wasn't it banned there?

(also I don't think that cloyster abused this item thaaaaaaat much, not compared to dpp jirachi's paraflinch which had 70% chance of success each turn compared to cloyster's 41%. dpp jirachi was very ban worthy.)
 
maushold didn't exist in gens 8 and 5.
and cloyster was still available at gens 6 and 7 but king's rock wasn't banned there. why wasn't it banned there?

(also I don't think that cloyster abused this item thaaaaaaat much, not compared to dpp jirachi's paraflinch which had 70% chance of success each turn compared to cloyster's 41%. dpp jirachi was very ban worthy.)
I mentioned Maushold because King's Rock is also banned this generation. As for 6 and 7, I'm not sure. Perhaps the addition of Mega Stones and Z-Crystals invalidated using King's Rock.
 
maushold didn't exist in gens 8 and 5.
and cloyster was still available at gens 6 and 7 but king's rock wasn't banned there. why wasn't it banned there?

(also I don't think that cloyster abused this item thaaaaaaat much, not compared to dpp jirachi's paraflinch which had 70% chance of success each turn compared to cloyster's 41%. dpp jirachi was very ban worthy.)
There is not always pressure to look at RNG items (King's Rock, Bright Powder, etc.) because their unreliability tends to result in low usage. However, it's implicitly understood that if usage ever picks up (which hurts the competitiveness of the game), they can be banned at will by the council because do not have a legitimate competitive usage. Removing it does not change the metagame beyond removing an unreliable cheese strategy. The only reason it's not banned in Gen 6 and 7 is because nobody spammed King's Rock Cloyster enough to cause an outcry from the userbase.

The situation of Jirachi is incomparable because it is heavily bound into the metagame Gen 4 OU. It cannot simply be removed because it may heavily disrupt an old metagame, so there has to be agreement from the competitive playerbase to take action. From a practical standpoint, it is also easier to find checks which can take an unboosted Iron Head than it is to find checks which can repeatedly take +2 Icicle Spears and Rock Blasts.
 
In general, is there a particular reason to Smogon disliking complex bans or even bans of a move as opposed to a Pokemon? I understand it's part of "Policy", but is there any actual rationale behind this rule?
 

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In general, is there a particular reason to Smogon disliking complex bans or even bans of a move as opposed to a Pokemon? I understand it's part of "Policy", but is there any actual rationale behind this rule?
-You could unban pretty much anything with complex bans
-There probably are billions way to balance a metagame if you include complex bans as an option: tiering policy already often can be a mess, if people also have to debate how a broken threat should be handled it is going to be nightmarish. If a mon is broken, just ban it
 
What would be the potentially easiest and fastest way to earn one of those Showdown custom sprites with Trainer+Pokemon layout?
 

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What would be the potentially easiest and fastest way to earn one of those Showdown custom sprites with Trainer+Pokemon layout?
It should be noted that only the best of the best play in these tournaments. A more feasible way to earn a custom avatar is by contributing on smogon and earning it though badges.
 
there is a clear disparity in the quality of espathra sets in randbats that lets the calm mind set be level 80 when it really shouldn't be. I heard that randbats does not intentionally nerf a pokemon and therefore i wonder why sets like specs are in the pool given how inferior they are to calm mind. Calm mind speed boost is literally banned to ubers and yet it is allowed to be level 80 in randbats because it is nerfed by how bad the other sets are. Either remove the other sets or remove the broken set.
 

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there is a clear disparity in the quality of espathra sets in randbats that lets the calm mind set be level 80 when it really shouldn't be. I heard that randbats does not intentionally nerf a pokemon and therefore i wonder why sets like specs are in the pool given how inferior they are to calm mind. Calm mind speed boost is literally banned to ubers and yet it is allowed to be level 80 in randbats because it is nerfed by how bad the other sets are. Either remove the other sets or remove the broken set.
That's not much of a question. Also posts like this are better meant for the Random Battles Section. Specficially this thread: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/scarlet-violet-random-battle-sets.3712619/
 
Smogon likes/other reacts in your private messages should count towards your reaction score - why wouldn't they?
Let's say, hypothetically, that 10 people were in a group DM chat, with the goal of farming as many likes as possible. They could make hundreds of post within the group chat and gain thousands of likes under the rest of our noses. The clout economy would be in complete shambles.
 

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hv a question, why is assault vest listed as a popular item in the teambuilder when there are very few users of the item this generation? It is relevant because new players like to use this item on anything and everything even though it is just garbage in most cases. It just confuses new players
 
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Honest question, if I were to put my discord server in my signature or in the website part of my about page, would that break the rule of advertising other sites/communities?
 

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