CAP 1 Smogon's First "Create a Pokemon": Reflections, Opinions, and Closing

Are You Satisfied with how the First "Create A Pokemon" Turned Out?

  • Yeah, I felt it was handled really well

    Votes: 147 42.5%
  • Well, it was alright, but a few changes need to be made

    Votes: 106 30.6%
  • No, I hated it

    Votes: 19 5.5%
  • I really liked it, but I think the pokemon is broken, so I'm going to be stupid and say no

    Votes: 43 12.4%
  • "Create A Pokemon?"

    Votes: 31 9.0%

  • Total voters
    346
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#1
The Syclant server is finally up! Not sure if you can see it on the main Shoddy menu though. However, you can still connect manually! All info can be found in DJD's post. Get battling!

Well, we're done. That's it. Over. Kaput. Get out now. There's nothing left to discuss.

What? You're still here? Losers. Well, if you want something to look at, I suppose you could try this:



Syclant
Bug/Ice
Ability: Compound Eyes/ Mountaineer
70/ 116/ 70/ 114/ 64/ 121

Compound Eyes: Raises accuracy of moves by 30%.

Mountaineer: This pokemon takes no indirect or direct damage from Rock type attacks upon switching in. This doesn't block additional effects.

Dex Entry 1: "The icicles on SYCLANT's back grow bigger as it gets older, the older a SYCLANT is the longer the icicles are. The icicles are 100x stronger than any POKEMON's bone and razor sharp."

Dex Entry 2: "Wild SYCLANTs are very aggressive, so much so that they live alone. They train by breaking apart large glaciers."

Dex Entry 3: "Wild SYCLANT are fearsome predators. Even in harsh blizzards they can quickly chase down their prey with stunning agility. Should a DELIBIRD find itself near a colony, it would be swarmed almost immediately."

Movepool:

Level:
- Thunder Fang
- Fire Fang
- Leech life
- Leer
- Ice Shard
10 Focus Energy
15 Knock Off
17 Slash
20 Bite
28 Icy Wind
32 X-Scissor
40 Night Slash
49 Ice Punch
55 Bug Buzz
65 Sheer Cold

TMs/HMs:
TM03: Water Pulse
TM06: Toxic
TM07: Hail
TM10: Hidden Power
TM12: Taunt
TM13: Ice Beam
TM14: Blizzard
TM15: Hyper Beam
TM16: Light Screen
TM17: Protect
TM18: Rain Dance
TM21: Frustration
TM27: Return
TM28: Dig
TM31: Brick Break
TM32: Double Team
TM33: Reflect
TM39: Rock Tomb
TM40: Aerial Ace
TM41: Torment
TM42: Facade
TM43: Secret Power
TM44: Attract
TM45: Rest
TM46: Thief
TM47: Steel Wing
TM51: Roost
TM52: Focus Blast
TM54: False Swipe
TM56: Fling
TM58: Endure
TM60: Drain Punch
TM62: Silver Wind
TM63: Embargo
TM65: Shadow Claw
TM66: Payback
TM68: Giga Impact
TM70: Flash
TM71: Stone Edge
TM72: Avalanche
TM75: Swords Dance
TM78: Captivate
TM80: Rock Slide
TM81: X-Scissor
TM82: Sleep Talk
TM83: Natural Gift
TM84: Poison Jab
TM87: Swagger
TM89: U-Turn
TM90: Substitute
TM91: Flash Cannon
HM01: Cut
HM03: Fly (for those bitching that this doesn't fly, explain Doduo)
HM04: Strength
HM06: Rock Smash

Egg Moves (Bug Group):

- Earth Power (Trapinch)
- Superpower (Pincir)
- Spikes (Forretress)
- Counter (Forretress)
- Air Slash (Scyther, Scizor)
- Crunch (Skorupi, Drapion, Trapinch)
- Tail Glow (?) (Volbeat)

What? That still doesn't convince you to leave? Huh. Maybe you should read this then:

Okay people, we may be done creating Syclant, but we still have a bit more to go before we can really call this project finished. We need to

  • Make the trivial information such as weight and height
  • Decide on pre-evo information (name, moves learned at what levels, etc.)
  • Pick a new mod for the Second "Create A Pokemon"

All of these ting are, in my mind, too small to deserve their own poll, so we'll be doing them here. I mean, Syclar is pretty much the only name that really works, and how much could a bug possibly weigh? Also, I'm putting out a note here that a new mod needs to be selected. I'm willing to help with future programs, but I don't want it on my head. So after everything is said and done, I'll be retiring. My vote goes to Hyra, but if anyone else wants the job, please say so.

For those of you who want to look back at the progress of the first "Create A Pokemon," these are the links to the polls:

Poll 1, part A
Poll 1, part B
Poll 2
Poll 3
Poll 4
Poll 5
Poll 5, part 2
Poll 6
Poll 6, part 2
Poll 7
Poll 7, part 2
Poll 7, part 3
Poll 8
Poll 9
Poll 10
Poll 11
Poll 12
Poll 13
Poll 13, part 2
Poll 14

Discuss.
 

Mario With Lasers

Self-proclaimed DEAD king
is a Forum Moderator Alumnusis a CAP Contributor Alumnus
#2
Don't forget that Trapinch learns Crunch too!

And about the pre-evo movepool, I think we can pretty much just remove the "winged" moves (Roost, Fly...), the fangs and Rock Smash, Brick Break, Focus Blast and Swords Dance (only Syclant would get those four because of its "extensive training" breaking the glaciers).

We could throw some random pre-evo-only move. Something silly, like Pin Missile, maybe...?
 
#4
Height: 5" 3'
Weight: 109 Lbs
Scylant

Height: 2" 6'
Weight: 20 Lbs
Syclar

For Syclar, just use the same Movepool, except get rid of exactly what Mario said. Throw in Pin missle at Level 7.
 
#6
Dex Entry 1: "The icicles on SYCLANT's back grow bigger as it gets older, the older a SYCLANT is the longer the icicles are. The icicles are 100x stronger than any POKEMON's bone and razor sharp."
This just strikes me as bad grammar. The last line is so unrequired.


Dex Entry 2: "Wild SYCLANTs are very aggressive, so much so that they live alone. They train by breaking apart large glaciers."
Fair enough.

Dex Entry 3: "Wild SYCLANT are fearsome predators. Even in harsh blizzards they can quickly chase down their prey with stunning agility. Should a DELIBIRD find itself near a colony, it would be swarmed almost immediately."
They live alone but in a colony. Strange. I like dex entry number 2!
 
#7
I wanna mod next one ^_^

I say it looks like it's about 4 feet tall

And it would weigh about 80-90 pounds


Scylar should be about 1-2 feet tall. And being a big bug made of ice, it should be about 10-30 pounds
 

CyzirVisheen

Am I poplar yet?
is an Artist Alumnusis a Forum Moderator Alumnus
#11
Well, in case anyone cares, I compiled a set of links to all of the "Create a Pokemon" Polls, as well as the Art thread:

Art Thread:
http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=33380
Poll 1 links:
http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=32949
http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=32950
Poll 2 link:
http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=33080
Poll 3 Link:
http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=33220
Poll 4 Link:
http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=33378
Poll 5 Links:
http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=33578
http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=33784
Poll 6 Links:
http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=33900
http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=34050
Poll 7 Links:
http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=34162
http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=34297
http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=34419
Poll 8 Link:
http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=34580
Poll 9 Link:
http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=34726
Poll 10 Link:
http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=34835
Poll 11 Link:
http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=34907
Poll 12 Link:
http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35014
Poll 13 Links:
http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35085
http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35144
Poll 14 Link:
http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35223

I must say, this was quite a learning experience. Now we kinda know what Game Freak has to go through every generation (Not that they do it this specific way).
 

Mario With Lasers

Self-proclaimed DEAD king
is a Forum Moderator Alumnusis a CAP Contributor Alumnus
#13
Well, in case anyone cares, I compiled a link to all of the "Create a Pokemon" Polls:

[Links]

I must say, this was quite a learning experience. Now we kinda know what Game Freak has to go through every generation (Not that they do it this specific way).
Don't forget that we made all of this on a pokémon forum; they must have something like a reunion room (or they just yell at each other, suggesting random moves/stats/sprites). Lol, Pokémon Co.'s stock exchange...
 
#14
Hm. I would really like to be the mod for the next one. And don't worry. If I am I WILL not shove my "Warlax" idea down everyone's throat. But I would like to see either the Marowak Evo as my Avatar, a Farfetch'd Evo or my Snorlax idea, but I don't mind, as long as Im helping the cause and doing something. So, yeah, I would really like to be the mod of the next pokemon.
As for Dex Entry #1:

Dex Entry 1: "The icicles on SYCLANT's back grow bigger as it gets older, the older a SYCLANT is the longer the icicles are. The icicles are 100x stronger than any POKEMON's bone and razor sharp."

Edited version: "The icicles on this POKEMON's back grow bigger as it grows older and stronger. These icicles can become 100X stronger than any other POKEMON's bone and are extremely sharp."

That looks and sounds a little better.
 
#15
Gengar: I would consider you, but the only problems are your post count and the fact you came in late. I'm worried you might not be able to properly set up the program, and that you lack the strategic knowledge for what the metagame needs. Can you convince me otherwise?
 
#16
I have to say I'm very happy with the back sprite. I hate it when awesome pokemon end up with a crappy back sprite. coughgarhompcough.

EDIT: when are we going to test Syclant on shoddy? i can't wait.
 

Bull of Heaven

Guest
#18
They live alone but in a colony. Strange.
That's why those two aren't one description. And #2 was mine!
But do we want two Dex entries to contradict each other? I know we voted for them, but at the time, we weren't thinking about contradictions. We might want to change one of the entries now.

Why don't we just replace this "living alone" with the ice castles I voted for? Am I serious? I'm not sure.

By the way, I voted for, "It was handled really well".
 
#20
Gengar: I would consider you, but the only problems are your post count and the fact you came in late. I'm worried you might not be able to properly set up the program, and that you lack the strategic knowledge for what the metagame needs. Can you convince me otherwise?
The only problem I have with that, is that I don't understand. Yes I came in late, but that is because I was lurking Smogon for a while, and was un-sure if people would either yell at me or grasiously accept me. But I ended up registering. I undertsnad the whole process. With multiple polls on the same thing, Im pretty sure I understand the Metagame. If what you mean by the "Metagme" is all the Calculations, then yeah I have no clue. But if you mean things like: Uber Status, Overpowerment of a Movepool, broken sets, and all the stuff like that, then yes I do know about that. I would just need the format in which to start the polls in, and I would catch on very fast.
 
#21
I mean if you can tell how something will work in the current metagame, in relation to other pokemon. I feel it's important to know why Syclant couldn't have Baton Pass, or why I was so against Ice Shell, why Thunderbolt was not an option, and how other pokemon could hope to defeat this. Those are rhetorical, by the way.
 
#23
Didn't pay much attention to
Like
This entire thing because I didn't like how it was going
But it isn't tooo bad.

Syclant @ Life Orb
Ability: Compound Eyes
EVs: 200 SpAtk / 56 Atk / 252 Spd
(+Spd, -Def)
- Roost
- Blizzard
- Bug Buzz
- Super Power

Eh. Prolly what I'd use.

I hope the next is better, however.

EDIT:
A Taunt/Swords Dance/X-Scizzor/Ice Fang set might be cool too =]
 
#24
Oh, then yeah I would be able to do that. But, no offense, I didn't see you come up with who could possibly beat Scylant. I thought Lord Sunday did that.
Sunday designed the set. I'm not going to pretend I knew all of the counters off the top of my head, and knew the perfect sets to take advantage of the metagame (I still don't, but then I haven't read the analysis), but I knew the impact such a pokemon would have. I'm not saying you have to be a pokemon master, but you need to have enough of a grip on the metagame to know how you're affecting it.
 
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