Yeah strongest body press in OU and 4th strongest in the game in general.I myself actually haven't really used Avalugg in OU, and don't really have an opinion on its ranking, but I was just giving my personal thoughts on why it might still be ranked, as it ohkoes weavile with Body Press
If Thundurus-I had Max Neutral Attack and a Boost from Bulk Up and it can OHKO it after Stealth RockSupport thundy-i is really really bad, its passive asf and t wave + swagger is just bad and has been gutted, not even the reason it is good lol. NP is the reason it is good and lash out is gonna be at +1 not at +2 and even then
+1 4 Atk Thundurus Lash Out vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Landorus-Therian: 199-235 (52 - 61.5%) -- 97.7% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
nah its not doing much at all and investing into it is just bad. Lando is not gonna be ur counterplay to thundy at all lol and just once u reveal ur set to be mixed, or NP u will easily know ur counterplay.
then i will just switch in my physical wall and u have to predict that lando-t will hard on the 2nd turn instead of just the 1st turn and ur left at +2 alr but u have a pathetically weak lash out or they just have smth and pivot to a physical wall such as zapdos who can just volt switch awayIf Thundurus-I had Max Neutral Attack and a Boost from Bulk Up and it can OHKO it after Stealth Rock
+1 252 Atk Thundurus Lash Out (150 BP) vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Landorus-Therian: 245-289 (64.1 - 75.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
+2 252 Atk Thundurus Lash Out (150 BP) vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Landorus-Therian: 327-385 (85.6 - 100.7%) -- 81.3% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
Reminder that, as per the rules, you need to provide replays if you're gonna bring up unranked Pokemon. Next time this happens it will result in a deletion of the post (and potentially an infraction).Speaking of OU, let's talk about some of UUBL mons:
You already seen the Swords Dance and Choice Band sets, but there's also other options that Blaziken has such being good in sun teams. Blaze Kick has less power than Flare Blitz but it has less drawback such as no recoil and increased critical hit chance, High Jump Kick is slightly powerful than Close Combat and has more PP, but Blaziken gets weared down if it misses due to its 90% accuracy. Stone Edge and Brave Bird Overkill Volcarona, also Brave Bird can deal a lot of damage to Kommo-o, Urshifu Rapid Strike Style and Galarian Zapdos. Bulk Up + Shuca Berry lets Blaziken take on Landorus-Therian more Efficiently, Blaziken will be 2HKOed from a Earthquake with +1 Defense and Shuca Berry, it can OHKO with +1 Flare Blitz in sun.
Thundurus has the Same base SpA as Zapdos but its more frailer and has more speed, Also it has Nasty Plot, a move that Zapdos doesn't have. And of course it lacks Hurricane. But on the bright side, it has Prankster with supportive moves such as Tailwind, Defog, Taunt, Toxic and Thunder Wave. It also has Weather Ball just like Zapdos. It also has Defiant with Lash Out, it can predict a Offensive Landorus-Therian switching in against Thundurus, it will get OHKOed by a +2 Lash Out. I know Lando can't touch Thundurus with Earthquake but Stone Edge will get it for good if Thundurus has no defense boosts.
Being the 3rd fastest Fighting type of OU does make Mienshao unique, Regenerator and U-Turn altogether can give its Allies more momentium. High Jump Kick and Close Combat can Depend on the situation, High Jump Kick can deal massive damage with Reckless and Choice Band and it can even OHKO Urshifu-Rapid-Strike and outspeed it, However it will require to give up Regenerator for that. It has Swords Dance, with Conjuction with Drain Punch it can always be Healthy thanks to Regenerator.
It saw some usage in the previous OLT and SCL:Ah yes I suppose Body Press makes sense, indeed. Still, I'm not sold on Avalugg being ranked at all. Have people seen it thrown around in any high-level ladder, or tournament game?
It was the subject of an April Fool's joke, which lead to some people actually nominating it to S or A (I forgot which) and an intense, unproductive, and frankly dumb discussion.What happened with Mandibuzz that it got blacklisted here anyway?
there replays are 1) 2 years old WTF 2) very very low ladder, any mon can succeed at that lowThere's some usage of my Blakizen:
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen8ou-1253047906
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen8ou-1672109616
I was referring to Thundurus-I and Mienshao (Blaziken is in fact ranked B+ and not unranked).There's some usage of my Blakizen:
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen8ou-1253047906
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen8ou-1672109616
Thanks for these, Ruft. Now I'm a piss-poor player, but in my opinion these replay show why Avalugg should not be used in a serious team rather than the other way around. In replay 1) we can see how Avalugg is utterly defeated by Ferrothorn, losing a ton to Rapid Spin and being forced out by Leech Seed. It doesn't even get the chance to use Body Press, it's too afraid of Iron Barbs + Rocky Helmet. Avalugg comes out two other times: the first one, it KO's a severly weakened Lando-T. The second one, it gets 2HKO'd by a burned Urshifu. It really felt talah was playing at 5vs6 for most of that game. In the second replay, Avalugg seems to be an impassable roadblock to Arctozolt...until we notice it's being steadily PP wasted. At the point where Sagiri forfeits, Avalugg had 1 Recover left, while Arctozolt was plenty healthy HP- and PP-wise. In the last one, Avalugg gets Toxiked and Burned, which highlights the need for a Cleric, except the Cleric gets KO'd later on. Its Heavy-Duty Boots are Knocked off, meaning it gets sacked against Weavile a few turns later where it might have been able to avoid the KO and KO back with Body Press if not for Stealth Rocks.It saw some usage in the previous OLT and SCL:
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen8ou-580675
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen8ou-589136
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen8ou-589320
It's true that these stall variants have died down though, so we might drop it to UR next slate.
both the mons you mentioned are just better, as well as blacephalon. latios needs the power of specs but it is very prediction heavy because of that and it can be switched around quite easily by bulkier teams unless you get several predictions all perfectly in a row. base 110 is also not that good speed in this gen when koko and torn are two of the best pivots in the game and weavile is a top 5 mon. psychic/dragon is also not good STAB especially when your other option is spamming ghost moves that only ttar and blissey switch into somewhat safelyWhats the issue latios has?specs have very little switch ins from psychic to mystical fire to aura sphere to psychic to draco
I can understand why latias its weaker crucially missing the two hit ko vs clef
Is it competition with lele and pult??
Good, now unban Omari P while you are at it.Furthermore, I'd like to announce that Mandibuzz is unblacklisted. All other VR rules still apply.
it cna be a good smasher on rain as it can water spout shit and hyper beam through water resists: C- --> UR
Does this even do anything? If you want a Shell Smash sweeper, it is outclassed by Cloyster and Omastar, and if you want a defensive Water-type, those aren't exactly hard to come by right now. Flip Turn + Rapid Spin is kinda cool, I guess? However, really just don't think that alone is enough justification to keep this thing ranked.
Ohkos Rotom wash in rainGood, now unban Omari P while you are at it.
: C- --> UR
Does this even do anything? If you want a Shell Smash sweeper, it is outclassed by Cloyster and Omastar, and if you want a defensive Water-type, those aren't exactly hard to come by right now. Flip Turn + Rapid Spin is kinda cool, I guess? However, really just don't think that alone is enough justification to keep this thing ranked.
Thing is that Latios got two moves (Mystical Fire and Aura Sphere) it would have killed for in previous generations. Sure Mystical Fire has rather low BP, but Latios can now take out Heatran, Tyranitar and Ferrothorn with good prediction, without resorting to dumbass hidden powers, Trick shenanigans etc. Latios also loves the lack of Pursuit this gen.Whats the issue latios has?specs have very little switch ins from psychic to mystical fire to aura sphere to psychic to draco
I can understand why latias its weaker crucially missing the two hit ko vs clef
Is it competition with lele and pult??
It can't touch Dark types useless if it has Moonblast to deal with them, however this will give up Substitute for that.Cresselia (F) @ Leftovers
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 248 HP / 192 SpA / 68 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Calm Mind
- Stored Power
- Substitute
- Skill Swap
So this is where you decide whether it is more difficult to remove every pokemon with a toxic, or just status the dark type on the opponent's team. Personally, I think pretty much everyone would rather rely on doing the latter rather than the former. It seems kind of strange to be hard walled by dark types but that is so much better than being hit by toxic for crit-me-not sweepers. It is why demon mew chooses taunt over body press (as well as blocking haze). No body press means you are walled by dark types, but not totally stuffed by haze or toxic. Dark types rarely have recovery (pretty much just hydreigon) so wearing them down is way easier than killing anything that would run toxic like hippo, toxapex, tran, and many many more hard to move walls.It can't touch Dark types useless if it has Moonblast to deal with them, however this will give up Substitute for that.