Resource SS OU DLC2 Viability Ranking Thread [SEE: Page 105, Post 2618]

[AquaVanilla]

nom time

A+ --> A
honestly, not a big corviknight fan this thing gets too chipped to check the things its supposed to check most of the pokemon it checks has ways to beat corviknight, not to mention on most bo teams if tends to be a momentum sink since everytime lando gets rocks up corv is forced to defog letting a fire type like victini to easily get a kill, it doesnt help the fact that zone also exists in the meta also, too many things abuse corv and i think it should drop.

A --> A+
holy shit this thing is so fucking annoying to deal with (specs,cm,scarf) are super fucking obnoxious to play against, while its useless defensively its super meta defining imo, a lot of good posts abt lele were made abt being A+ so just read those.

A --> A-/B+
this shit sucks, the double steel cores going around rn is fucking up clef and its outclassed by most fairies like fini which has super useful residences on bo teams. this thing shouldnt be in the ranks where kart, urshifu and chomp are.

A --> A-/B+
pls for the love of god drop this thing, it cant even do its job properly in checking kyurem and lele, these 2 just click focus blast and overwhelm the fuck outta scizor leaving it to roost all the damn time, leaving it abused by a fire type, most of the time its a passive mf also.

A --> A+
gigachad melm should rise, it has a lot of fucking cool sets and offers so much wallbreaking power while also checking ice/fairies which is so fucking useful.

A- --> A
moth.

A- --> A
this thing is a pain in the ass to fight against, it has useful resistances in checking kyurem,lele and scizor and has so much success in scl and has high usage in it too, not to mention its super versatile also, should def rise imo.

B+ --> A-
jesus fuck this thing legit has no checks god damn, every time its in the field its going to fucking kill something why is this fucking threat in the B ranks lmao, only reason why im not putting it up on the A rank is because it gets absolutely fucked by rocks and is frail as a fucking stick

B+ --> C
doesnt exist anymore, not a viable mon, trash, outclassed by slowbro, why are u in the same tier as zapdos?

B+ --> A-
holy fuck i love this thing, even tho kyurem/gking exists this mon can legit check so much shit that i need it to check, dont use volt switch pls, use uturn to pivot out of spdef lando, dont use defog also, offesnive zapdos is one of my favorite mons to use and it puts in work so much times, i also been seeing zapdos in so many ladder games recently also has seen good usage in scl. oh it also walls its cousin below

B+ --> A-
hell yeah, just read what clone said.

B+ --> A-
I LOVE THIS THING, i love abusing the shit outta of this, this thing has no counters, and its so fucking fun to use, literally a fucking menace under weather teams and has a incredible nice winrate in scl.

C+ --> B
toad imo is a better abuser than barra under rain bc its a special attacker under rain, also it provides rocks/being a ground type which is useful in rain, also a menace to deal with under rain.

noms that i agree/disagree with:
Disagree C --> C+
Disagree A- --> B+
Agree C+ --> B-
Agree C+ --> B- (should be B imo)

 

[Tysonslayer]

A+ > A: Corviknight is still a decent mon, but it doesn't match up with the rest of the A+ rank. While Hail teams are not as common as they used to be Corviknight, dislikes how many other teams are better with other Steel-types without making them so weak, while also being a lot more useful in checking different threats depending on who you use. Most of the things it wants to check deal a big amount of damage towards it, while others are adapting to hit Corviknight better like Heat Wave Tornadus-T or Fire Fang Garchomp. Magnezone shuts down Corviknight easily, making teammates that struggle breaking past Corviknight deadly once it's removed. Corviknight even faces competition with other Flying-types like Landorus-T with its amazing utility, ability, and providing two immunities for teams or Tornadus-T with Regenerator, speed tier, and even able to check some special attackers with Assault Vest, which opens up a team slot for a more consistent Steel-type for teams other than Corviknight. In the state of the meta is in right now has made Corviknight a lot worse and is just not as good as it was previously.

 

[Ruft]

A --> A-/B+
pls for the love of god drop this thing, it cant even do its job properly in checking kyurem and lele, these 2 just click focus blast and overwhelm the fuck outta scizor leaving it to roost all the damn time, leaving it abused by a fire type, most of the time its a passive mf also.

I'm kind of tired of the consistent Scizor hate in this thread honestly. It's frankly one of the most consistent checks/pivots against a wide variety of threats in the metagame, such as Weavile, Kyurem, Tapu Lele, Melmetal, Choiced Kartana, and non-Flamethrower Clefable. It even has a solid hail matchup. There are simply not many other Pokemon that can check or pivot around such a wide variety of prominent threats and has reliable recovery to boot. Its pivot set fits on a wide variety of teams, ranging from fat builds to BO. It can also function as a solid setup sweeper on HO with SD + three attacks, which is actually surprisingly tricky to switch into since the answers often depend on its moveset. People are even experimenting with Defog sets nowadays, which offers further role compression.

An argument that is often raised to drop Scizor is that it drops to two Focus Blasts from Choice Specs Tapu Lele/Kyurem, which makes absolutely no sense to me.
First of all, Kyurem rarely runs Choice Specs anymore, but much rather runs Never-Melt Ice or Heavy-Duty Boots sets, which forgo Focus Blast. Second, Focus Blast is frankly a suboptimal move to lock into since it is very prone to missing and losing momentum as a result, and grants a free switch-in to the threatening Ghost-types of the tier. Third, the fact that Scizor can even take a Focus Blast and Roost it off later is a blessing in and of itself, as it isn't weak to it unlike most other Steel-types. There is frankly no other Steel-type that can switch into these Pokemon as well as Scizor can (disregarding garbage like Bronzong). Corviknight is weak to a potential Thunderbolt from Tapu Lele, takes a neutral hit from Kyurem's Ice Beam, and is even easier to trap for Magnezone than Scizor is. Ferrothorn is weak to Tapu Lele's Focus Blast, takes a neutral hit from Kyurem's Ice Beam, lacks reliably recovery, and is also easily trapped by Iron Defense Magnezone. Aegislash and Jirachi are much more niche, are both weak to Earth Power, and neither has a reliable recovery move like Roost. Any other Steel-type is hurt by Tapu Lele's Focus Blast or Kyurem's Earth Power to a much more severe degree than Scizor.

Finally, let's take a look at the top 20 most used Pokemon in the SS OU tier in the Smogon Champions League, which includes weeks 1-6 so far.

+ ---- + ------------------ + ---- + ------- + ------- +
| Rank | Pokemon            | Use  | Usage % |  Win %  |
+ ---- + ------------------ + ---- + ------- + ------- +
| 1    | Landorus-Therian   |  154 |  85.56% |  48.05% |
| 2    | Weavile            |   65 |  36.11% |  49.23% |
| 3    | Heatran            |   64 |  35.56% |  51.56% |
| 4    | Toxapex            |   61 |  33.89% |  57.38% |
| 5    | Tornadus-Therian   |   53 |  29.44% |  54.72% |
| 6    | Tapu Fini          |   49 |  27.22% |  36.73% |
| 7    | Ferrothorn         |   48 |  26.67% |  47.92% |
| 8    | Corviknight        |   45 |  25.00% |  48.89% |
| 9    | Dragapult          |   41 |  22.78% |  56.10% |
| 10   | Kyurem             |   36 |  20.00% |  41.67% |
| 10   | Tapu Koko          |   36 |  20.00% |  33.33% |
| 12   | Scizor             |   26 |  14.44% |  50.00% |
| 13   | Clefable           |   25 |  13.89% |  60.00% |
| 13   | Slowbro            |   25 |  13.89% |  56.00% |
| 13   | Tapu Lele          |   25 |  13.89% |  48.00% |
| 16   | Melmetal           |   22 |  12.22% |  54.55% |
| 17   | Urshifu-*          |   19 |  10.56% |  26.32% |
| 18   | Victini            |   18 |  10.00% |  38.89% |
| 19   | Slowking-Galar     |   17 |   9.44% |  52.94% |
| 20   | Kartana            |   16 |   8.89% |  62.50% |
| 20   | Magnezone          |   16 |   8.89% |  37.50% ||

Note that Scizor is the 12th most used Pokemon, which is in fact the highest out of all the A rank Pokemon. Based on this it should actually be much closer to a rise than a drop, if anything.

 

[Deleted User 464209]

I'm kind of tired of the consistent Scizor hate in this thread honestly. It's frankly one of the most consistent checks/pivots against a wide variety of threats in the metagame, such as Weavile, Kyurem, Tapu Lele, Melmetal, Choiced Kartana, and non-Flamethrower Clefable. It even has a solid hail matchup. There are simply not many other Pokemon that can check or pivot around such a wide variety of prominent threats and has reliable recovery to boot. Its pivot set fits on a wide variety of teams, ranging from fat builds to BO. It can also function as a solid setup sweeper on HO with SD + three attacks, which is actually surprisingly tricky to switch into since the answers often depend on its moveset. People are even experimenting with Defog sets nowadays, which offers further role compression.

An argument that is often raised to drop Scizor is that it drops to two Focus Blasts from Choice Specs Tapu Lele/Kyurem, which makes absolutely no sense to me.
First of all, Kyurem rarely runs Choice Specs anymore, but much rather runs Never-Melt Ice or Heavy-Duty Boots sets, which forgo Focus Blast. Second, Focus Blast is frankly a suboptimal move to lock into since it is very prone to missing and losing momentum as a result, and grants a free switch-in to the threatening Ghost-types of the tier. Third, the fact that Scizor can even take a Focus Blast and Roost it off later is a blessing in and of itself, as it isn't weak to it unlike most other Steel-types. There is frankly no other Steel-type that can switch into these Pokemon as well as Scizor can (disregarding garbage like Bronzong). Corviknight is weak to a potential Thunderbolt from Tapu Lele, takes a neutral hit from Kyurem's Ice Beam, and is even easier to trap for Magnezone than Scizor is. Ferrothorn is weak to Tapu Lele's Focus Blast, takes a neutral hit from Kyurem's Ice Beam, lacks reliably recovery, and is also easily trapped by Iron Defense Magnezone. Aegislash and Jirachi are much more niche, are both weak to Earth Power, and neither has a reliable recovery move like Roost. Any other Steel-type is hurt by Tapu Lele's Focus Blast or Kyurem's Earth Power to a much more severe degree than Scizor.

Finally, let's take a look at the top 20 most used Pokemon in the SS OU tier in the Smogon Champions League, which includes weeks 1-6 so far.

+ ---- + ------------------ + ---- + ------- + ------- +
| Rank | Pokemon            | Use  | Usage % |  Win %  |
+ ---- + ------------------ + ---- + ------- + ------- +
| 1    | Landorus-Therian   |  154 |  85.56% |  48.05% |
| 2    | Weavile            |   65 |  36.11% |  49.23% |
| 3    | Heatran            |   64 |  35.56% |  51.56% |
| 4    | Toxapex            |   61 |  33.89% |  57.38% |
| 5    | Tornadus-Therian   |   53 |  29.44% |  54.72% |
| 6    | Tapu Fini          |   49 |  27.22% |  36.73% |
| 7    | Ferrothorn         |   48 |  26.67% |  47.92% |
| 8    | Corviknight        |   45 |  25.00% |  48.89% |
| 9    | Dragapult          |   41 |  22.78% |  56.10% |
| 10   | Kyurem             |   36 |  20.00% |  41.67% |
| 10   | Tapu Koko          |   36 |  20.00% |  33.33% |
| 12   | Scizor             |   26 |  14.44% |  50.00% |
| 13   | Clefable           |   25 |  13.89% |  60.00% |
| 13   | Slowbro            |   25 |  13.89% |  56.00% |
| 13   | Tapu Lele          |   25 |  13.89% |  48.00% |
| 16   | Melmetal           |   22 |  12.22% |  54.55% |
| 17   | Urshifu-*          |   19 |  10.56% |  26.32% |
| 18   | Victini            |   18 |  10.00% |  38.89% |
| 19   | Slowking-Galar     |   17 |   9.44% |  52.94% |
| 20   | Kartana            |   16 |   8.89% |  62.50% |
| 20   | Magnezone          |   16 |   8.89% |  37.50% ||

Note that Scizor is the 12th most used Pokemon, which is in fact the highest out of all the A rank Pokemon. Based on this it should actually be much closer to a rise than a drop, if anything.

I don't support Scizor dropping either, but the most recent usage stats directly contradict your points on kyurem sets and usage.

If you have access to October data that shows otherwise, please share.

1825 moveset, September 2021:

+----------------------------------------+ | Items | | Heavy-Duty Boots 39.866% | | Choice Specs 34.914% | | Choice Scarf 6.839% | | Leftovers 6.148% | | Never-Melt Ice 5.167% | | Metronome 2.068% | | Other 4.998% | +----------------------------------------+

1650 moveset, September 2021:

+----------------------------------------+ | Items | | Choice Specs 38.388% | | Heavy-Duty Boots 27.659% | | Choice Scarf 10.680% | | Leftovers 9.244% | | Expert Belt 5.338% | | Never-Melt Ice 3.457% | | Life Orb 1.781% | | Other 3.453% | +----------------------------------------+

Declining in usage from 25th to 32nd August to September: https://www.smogon.com/stats/

And no flame, but I'm not counting a private ladder of ~50 people and 100 games as any indication of "metagame" trends, when even at the 1825 cut, we get 10,000x the sample size

 

[agslash23]

I'm kind of tired of the consistent Scizor hate in this thread honestly. It's frankly one of the most consistent checks/pivots against a wide variety of threats in the metagame, such as Weavile, Kyurem, Tapu Lele, Melmetal, Choiced Kartana, and non-Flamethrower Clefable. It even has a solid hail matchup. There are simply not many other Pokemon that can check or pivot around such a wide variety of prominent threats and has reliable recovery to boot. Its pivot set fits on a wide variety of teams, ranging from fat builds to BO. It can also function as a solid setup sweeper on HO with SD + three attacks, which is actually surprisingly tricky to switch into since the answers often depend on its moveset. People are even experimenting with Defog sets nowadays, which offers further role compression.

An argument that is often raised to drop Scizor is that it drops to two Focus Blasts from Choice Specs Tapu Lele/Kyurem, which makes absolutely no sense to me.
First of all, Kyurem rarely runs Choice Specs anymore, but much rather runs Never-Melt Ice or Heavy-Duty Boots sets, which forgo Focus Blast. Second, Focus Blast is frankly a suboptimal move to lock into since it is very prone to missing and losing momentum as a result, and grants a free switch-in to the threatening Ghost-types of the tier. Third, the fact that Scizor can even take a Focus Blast and Roost it off later is a blessing in and of itself, as it isn't weak to it unlike most other Steel-types. There is frankly no other Steel-type that can switch into these Pokemon as well as Scizor can (disregarding garbage like Bronzong). Corviknight is weak to a potential Thunderbolt from Tapu Lele, takes a neutral hit from Kyurem's Ice Beam, and is even easier to trap for Magnezone than Scizor is. Ferrothorn is weak to Tapu Lele's Focus Blast, takes a neutral hit from Kyurem's Ice Beam, lacks reliably recovery, and is also easily trapped by Iron Defense Magnezone. Aegislash and Jirachi are much more niche, are both weak to Earth Power, and neither has a reliable recovery move like Roost. Any other Steel-type is hurt by Tapu Lele's Focus Blast or Kyurem's Earth Power to a much more severe degree than Scizor.

Finally, let's take a look at the top 20 most used Pokemon in the SS OU tier in the Smogon Champions League, which includes weeks 1-6 so far.

+ ---- + ------------------ + ---- + ------- + ------- +
| Rank | Pokemon            | Use  | Usage % |  Win %  |
+ ---- + ------------------ + ---- + ------- + ------- +
| 1    | Landorus-Therian   |  154 |  85.56% |  48.05% |
| 2    | Weavile            |   65 |  36.11% |  49.23% |
| 3    | Heatran            |   64 |  35.56% |  51.56% |
| 4    | Toxapex            |   61 |  33.89% |  57.38% |
| 5    | Tornadus-Therian   |   53 |  29.44% |  54.72% |
| 6    | Tapu Fini          |   49 |  27.22% |  36.73% |
| 7    | Ferrothorn         |   48 |  26.67% |  47.92% |
| 8    | Corviknight        |   45 |  25.00% |  48.89% |
| 9    | Dragapult          |   41 |  22.78% |  56.10% |
| 10   | Kyurem             |   36 |  20.00% |  41.67% |
| 10   | Tapu Koko          |   36 |  20.00% |  33.33% |
| 12   | Scizor             |   26 |  14.44% |  50.00% |
| 13   | Clefable           |   25 |  13.89% |  60.00% |
| 13   | Slowbro            |   25 |  13.89% |  56.00% |
| 13   | Tapu Lele          |   25 |  13.89% |  48.00% |
| 16   | Melmetal           |   22 |  12.22% |  54.55% |
| 17   | Urshifu-*          |   19 |  10.56% |  26.32% |
| 18   | Victini            |   18 |  10.00% |  38.89% |
| 19   | Slowking-Galar     |   17 |   9.44% |  52.94% |
| 20   | Kartana            |   16 |   8.89% |  62.50% |
| 20   | Magnezone          |   16 |   8.89% |  37.50% ||

Note that Scizor is the 12th most used Pokemon, which is in fact the highest out of all the A rank Pokemon. Based on this it should actually be much closer to a rise than a drop, if anything.

Seconded. I really don't know why this clamor for Scizor drop.

I think people use it wrongly. They use it on fat and get disappointed expecting it to be a defensive behemoth like Toxapex or Ferrothorn, when in reality it is more suited to offenses as a solid pivot with plenty of role-compression.

 

[Ruft]

I don't support Scizor dropping either, but the most recent usage stats directly contradict your points on kyurem sets and usage.

If you have access to October data that shows otherwise, please share.

1825 moveset, September 2021:

+----------------------------------------+ | Items | | Heavy-Duty Boots 39.866% | | Choice Specs 34.914% | | Choice Scarf 6.839% | | Leftovers 6.148% | | Never-Melt Ice 5.167% | | Metronome 2.068% | | Other 4.998% | +----------------------------------------+

1650 moveset, September 2021:

+----------------------------------------+ | Items | | Choice Specs 38.388% | | Heavy-Duty Boots 27.659% | | Choice Scarf 10.680% | | Leftovers 9.244% | | Expert Belt 5.338% | | Never-Melt Ice 3.457% | | Life Orb 1.781% | | Other 3.453% | +----------------------------------------+

Declining in usage from 25th to 32nd August to September: https://www.smogon.com/stats/

It tends to take a while before ladder trends catch up to tour trends. Never-Melt Ice Kyurem popped up as a major threat around the start of SCL in September and has seen consistent usage in the tour since then, with Choice Specs becoming a rarity. I can virtually guarantee that the October stats will show a significant rise in Never-Melt Ice Kyurem usage compared to the September stats.

 

[qwertyman888]

If half the UR noms were this good they'd get taken much more seriously. Great post and agree the nom.

Wow, thanks for the support! Appreciate it a lot!

qwertyman888 I've been trying out your TR team and Dhelmise sure is a neat TR sweeper. Having these high-powered STABs, this good bulk, and I definitely agree for having tried the team without it that Urshifu becomes a massive pain instantly.

Thanks for considering, and trying it out for yourself! Hope it was fun.

Hey, thats me! I do believe that Dhelmise has a niche outside of Trick Room actually simply because it 2hkos the entire OU tier and requires remarkably little prediction compared to most other wallbreakers such as CB Urshifu or Specs Lele and Kyurem. Its barely fast enough to outspeed most relevant walls in OU up to (and including) skarmory with a max speed investment and an adamant nature. The main issue is that you dont want to switch it into any attack that it isnt immune to so youll have to work with pivots and double switches however in my experiences those arent that difficult to get since Dhelmise preys on many defensive mons that get switched in over and over again such as Hippodown or all varaints of the Slow and Glowtins. Its unique typing also allows it to punish a few choice users such as Urshifu, Koko or Kyurem by forcing them to sac a pokemon if they ever kill one of yours with the wrong move.

Dhelmise off TR? That's pretty awesome, I might try it sometime. Dhelmise has a weird middleground speedtier where its minimum speed is JUST slow enough and its top speed is barely fast enough. Its breaking power feels really great and it can force pressure even against offense vs. the Choiced Pokemon you mentioned (not that nonchoiced Koko wants to stay in, or Shifu either most of the time). Definitely deserves to be ranked because it's absolutely usable. Good post :)

 

[Baloor]

its ironic how when i mention scizor should drop suddenly kyurem is trendy again. i think ruft made a great post about scizors strengths so im not going to really talk about that too much. however, i believe scizor is perfectly fine in a and doesnt need a rise. its good utility mon but as some drop posts have mentioned, its just decent -> good at doing its utility roles and not really great at anything. it cant check anything other than kyurem for a long period of time, its defog set isnt amazing as its not uber reliable, sd is there and is solid but exists mostly as "well im not running anything else" since youre not getting through much with the sd boosts, 3atks roost is also decent but also falls into the pit of falling apart later game and then the offensive lo set on ho is a fun one but doesnt really do much in terms of scizors viability. in a metagame where kyurem is wrecking most builds scizor is going to be a valueable mon, that and being a good momentum getter early game alone should be enough to justify the A ranking but with some pretty glaring flaws i just dont see how we can justifiably put it in A+ with stuff like ferro, pex, torn and kyu.


additionally, im really unsure how i feel about the corv drop noms. I agree its not AS good as it was a couple months ago but still dont know if it justifies a drop. its still competing with torn for the best defogger in the tier spot and its not really taken advantage of too much by anything other than magnezone, and thats not really a problem with corv thats just zone being dumb. i agree that sucking vs fire fang chomp is insanely annoying but chomps usage is also going down. again corv is obviously "not as good as it was" but its still insanely easy to slap it on a BO or Balance team and call it day with little downside.

 

[MrHands]

Wow, thanks for the support! Appreciate it a lot!

Thanks for considering, and trying it out for yourself! Hope it was fun.

Dhelmise off TR? That's pretty awesome, I might try it sometime. Dhelmise has a weird middleground speedtier where its minimum speed is JUST slow enough and its top speed is barely fast enough. Its breaking power feels really great and it can force pressure even against offense vs. the Choiced Pokemon you mentioned (not that nonchoiced Koko wants to stay in, or Shifu either most of the time). Definitely deserves to be ranked because it's absolutely usable. Good post :)

I've used it about 3 months ago (not on TR) paired with Rillaboom and some Teleport teammates to get it in easier. Banded Poltergeist 1-2HKOs almost literally everything in the tier while Heavy Slam nukes what little survives. It can be EVed with either bulk or enough speed to outrun the fat stuff that it can't OHKO.

Rillaboom sets up Grassy Terrain giving Dhelmise the strongest unboosted priority move in the game, tied with Yveltal Sucker Punch.

It can also run non-Band to exploit Swords Dance or Rapid Spin. Even something like Assault Vest could be fun since 131 base attack slamming around 110+ BP moves is going to shred anything that isn't particularly fat.

Idk how good it is in serious tournament play or high on the ladder but as said earlier it has a niche on TR as an offensive Urshifu check which at the very least makes it as good as Haxorus, Ribombee, Slowbro-G, Xatu etc.

C- sounds fair.

 

[Birdbrain103]

Just wanted to bring something up on Glastrier, since I forgot to do that in my other post:

Overall I support this mon rising to C+, but no further. It does do well against the current metagame, but it also has a few flaws that I think are worth bringing up.

1. The Melmetal Problem
Glastrier faces big competition from our resident ungodly nutty blob. A fellow slow hulking physical breaker, Melmetal boasts a much stronger STAB, way better defensive typing, and mostly better stats all around. What does Glastrier have over it? Two things, better special bulk (see calcs below) and the ability to setup with Swords Dance. You could argue it has better coverage between it's STAB and High Horsepower, but Double Iron Chonk kills everything anyway, and Melmetal's coverage is plentiful enough. So basically, if you're using a Glastrier set that doesn't involve Swords Dance, chances are Melmetal probably does that set but better.
252 SpA Blacephalon Overheat vs. 0 HP / 236 SpD Melmetal: 498-588 (121.1 - 143%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 SpA Blacephalon Overheat vs. 204 HP / 0 SpD Glastrier: 440-518 (112.2 - 132.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO (both these spreads are 109 Spe with max Atk Adamant)
2. Entry opportunities
Glastrier is probably best as a lead in a lot of situations (and most replays showcasing it have had it as a lead). However, this doesn't really say a lot about Glastrier's ability as a lead, more about how awkward it is to get in if you don't use it as a lead. Taking 25% from Rocks and being vulnerable to Spikes and TSpikes on top makes it horrific to get in without large amounts of hazard removal, or giving up its item slot to Boots, something it really doesn't want to do as Lefties gives longevity it otherwise lacks, especially if you use Sub. Moreover, it's defensive typing offsets its bulk somewhat, so that while very little in the tier OHKOs it, most of the offensive tier can 2HKO it because of its numerous weaknesses and total lack of resistances. And thanks to its speed, this means to come in on most Pokemon it has to avoid a 2HKO to get an attack off, and if it wants a Swords Dance it has to avoid a 3HKO. This means a lot of Pokemon it would love to abuse can simply wear it down to the point it struggles to get off a boosted attack.
168+ Def Corviknight Body Press vs. 204 HP / 0 Def Glastrier: 124-146 (31.6 - 37.2%) -- 82.3% chance to 3HKO/guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
8 Atk Hippowdon Earthquake vs. 204 HP / 0 Def Glastrier: 96-114 (24.4 - 29%) -- guaranteed 4HKO after sandstorm damage/99% chance to 3HKO after Stealth Rock, sandstorm damage, and Leftovers recovery
0 Atk Landorus-Therian Earthquake vs. 204 HP / 0 Def Glastrier: 118-141 (30.1 - 35.9%) -- 40.7% chance to 3HKO/guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
It can of course benefit from pivot support, but then you still run into issues with entry hazards and having to tank a hit to get off an attack. Melmetal, by comparison, is capable of utilising its Rocks resist, Toxic immunity and various other resisted hits to force entry opportunities for itself, which is simply something Glastrier cannot do. Hence it is very reliant on free switch-ins, which is why it is commonly lead with.
3. Chipped=Dead
Glastrier also shares Melmetal's flaw of lack of reliable recovery. Once it is chipped down to low health, it becomes a sac at best without Healing Wish support. However, Glastrier's Rock weakness amplifies this problem further, as it becomes unable to take even light hits with rocks up at around 1/3 health without Boots. And Boots, as mentioned above, means no Lefties which means no recovery at all. Avoiding a 2HKO or even an OHKO against faster Pokemon is nearly impossible for Glastrier once it is weakened due to its poor defensive typing, and hence once it has traded health for a kill, it probably joins its victim rather than switching out just to be sacced later, which crucially makes its dangerous-seeming Ability often worthless in practice.

So that's the bad. What's the good that makes it potentially worth a rise?
1. Almost always forces a 1-1 trade
Killing a healthy Glastrier without losing a mon to it is an extremely difficult challenge. Chances are it can take one hit from whatever you throw at it and KO back. Sure, it dies or becomes a future sac next turn, but quite a few teams appreciate its ability to punch early holes.
2. Excellent 2-move coverage
STAB+High Horsepower means this is one horse that does not struggle with 4MSS. Swords Dance is then of course mandatory to differentiate itself from Melmetal, but the last slot has many possibilities from Close Combat to Sub to Rest (don't laugh) and more.
3. Soft checks many important Pokemon
Most notably Kyurem cannot break while a healthy Glastrier is around, and anything short of hitting Specs Focus Blast fails to OHKO or even 2HKO Glastrier. Much like Melmetal, while it is healthy Glastrier can trade with almost any Pokemon in the game.

So yeah, that's Glastrier. Put it on your team if you want your Melmetal to learn Swords Dance and not run out of PP while breaking, but don't need as much defensive utility.

As the person who nommed this I can definitely agree on these points. It's often-times a lead against teams that are inclined to lead common Pokemon such as Landorus, Tornadus, Garchomp, Dragapult, Tapu Koko, etc, and can capitalize on their switch as very few Pokemon will stay in T1, it's speed tier definitely doesn't do it many favors.

However I have been experimenting and found out that Custap Berry has a lot of utility. If the opponent eventually gets stealth rocks up later in the game, It can capitalize on that by coming in and using it's stealth rock weakness as an advantage in this scenario to activate it's Custap Berry, and blind-side the opponent with near-unstoppable ground, fighting, or ice move off of 145 base attack, or it can use it after being chipped in to get another kill after it has already stacked attack boosts from trading hits, though I admit this use is a bit more conditional due to damage rolls.

 

[AM]

Rankings look fine outside of G-Zapdos needing a rise. Also lmao please dont raise Scizor again, especially off that gassed SCL usage stat. Most of those SCL games it did nothing and the stat is inflated for being part of teams that are winning. It's really not that good as described, it's just Kyurem needing a suspect.

 

[Fusion Flare]

B- to B
I recently made an in-depth post about Kommo-o’s strengths in the metagame discussion thread and i’d like to talk about a pptential rise for it. It’s strengths are much better than the likes of other pokemon in B-, since a Blacephalon check is insanely useful without easing up on the gas with the likes of Toxapex and Blissey. Being a Stealth Rocker also frees up lots of other pokemon like Heatran and Landorus-T to run moves like Toxic and Defog. Overall, I think it’s a pretty decent pokemon that could stand for a rise.

B to B-
The metagame hates sand teams, to say nothing of how Excadrill is taking it. Landorus-T? Corviknight? Slowbro coming back once again? Coupled with Priority from Urshifu-R and Rillaboom, Excadrill is doing terribly right now, and i don’t expect things to get better for it anytime soon.

 

[Snowy]

Le crust is back with some more ocean floor takes! After carefully analyzing the metagame with my abundance of eyes, I have come to these conclusions:

Ups

B+ to A-/A

Everyone has already jerked the bird harder than I ever could, so I'm not going to larp on about it. Big birds cousin is a top tier breaker and imo has surpassed water furry as the tiers premier fighting breaker.

C+ to B-

The jellyfish has really proved itself over the last few weeks in SCL, showing that it's more than a fringe meme pick; being able to provide utility with hazards, defensively check some of the tiers big dogs and also be an offensive menace with the right positioning. I think our boneless friend deserves a raise

C to C+

I'm embracing the Beyblade movement, this Pinkacross team which has been picking up speed and ripping up both tours and ladder as of late has really sealed the deal for me. Rapid spin is and will always be a fantastic move, which paired with the tops speed of sound, it can nearly always get off a spin. Its speed also allows it to act as a solid revenge killer, as even mons at +1 (scarf or otherwise) can be out sped. Obviously the big slab of concrete in the room is the ground issue, however veteran Beybladers will tell you how it can actually work in your favor to force switches, which Pinkacross goes into more detail about in his rmt.



Downs

A- to B+

Hydreigon feels very weird sitting besides the rest of the mons in A- that outperform it and see more usage in both tours and ladder. Defensively Hydreigon offers a decent amount of utility, acting as a sturdy ghost resist that can take on the climbing clown, Heatran and Volcanion. Unfortunately for the dark triad, that's where the utility ends, as offensively its incredibly mediocre, with roost being a must to reliably answer the previously mentioned, you're then forced to choose between boosting or coverage and sadly it needs both to actually get through anything. Not only does it struggle to break some of the tiers most common mons, its not exactly hard to revenge kill either, with the plethora of fairies, Zapdos-g, Kartana, Dragapult, and so on, all being able to take down the three migos. If you want to throw in some data for fun, Hydreigon is the only mon sitting below 40% (38.4%, the lowest in A-) win rate in A- besides Victini, which has been in 5 more games.

B- to lower

I've seen Dyson vacuum cleaners suck less than Swampert, boy is truly awful and has finally returned to its swamp (lower tiers).
Tzolkin post sums up the rest of my thoughts on this mon.

Alright, that's the crust done for today, but before I scuttle back to my hole, ill remind you of this absolute banger that I
definitely did NOT find while looking for Beyblade puns.

 

[Cratersmash]

B+>A-/Maybe even A?:Hard agree with this,Band excels as a wallbreaker while Scarf can clean through weakened offense teams.I've personally been having success with it using Scarf on hazard stack.Has some weaknesses like killing itself with BB but its flaws are far outweighed by its strengths.
A>A+:Double Iron Bonk your way to victory.It has a good amount of sets such as Band's crushing power and AV's ability to act as a secondary answer to Pult or Lele.Overall great.

 

[Baloor]

more comments on recent noms speed round

excadrill drop - mons not good and hasnt been threatening on sand in months

gzap rise - A seems super extreme, the mon is cool and has a solid niche but its not solid enough to slap it in A. its issue mostly stems from consistency, which can be seen in its scl win rate. im not saying its bad but its definitely not an A level threat when compared to everything else. a- could work but i personally dont think its consistent enough and is fine where its at.

melm rise - shits ridiculously good, threatening breaker and is basically a one time get out of jail free card if its at full. personally im still on the pads, being able to get free chip or spread para, super strong and is a threat to most team comps. av has some merit as a secondary soft check to most of the tier. theres other sets but i dont see them as good as these two personally. edit: this thing also farms cheese and newer players which is always a plus

leki rise - its funny when leki comps work and when used effectively its going to be scary but the mon itself is pre ass and i will stand by this till i die. gets chipped super easy and dies to one hit 99% of the time. its really not all that strong and doesnt kill much that isnt weak to electric, even fini can stall this out at like +2 spdef. just because one team came around thats effective with leki isnt even to justify a rise, this is more of a testament to pinkas creativity in builder and recognizing gzap + fs is insanely good at bullying leki checks like lando.

pert drop - mons ass (mudkip favorite pokemon depression noises)

nihilego rise - this mon is a threat, being another mon that bullys lando comps, its going to be good. speed boosting and regular sets are extremely threatening if youre not packing spdef monsters like av gking or blissey. i think it deserves a rise out of c ranks, as its niche is more cemented than most there

kommoo rise - love kommoo but still not sold, i think theres a bit of experimenting to do with the mon but as of rn the meta really doesnt favor it. love to see some more people using it and trying new things though because its pre decent in the niche it performs, it just gets threatened way to easy.

blace rise - yes

toad rise - didnt realize it was in c, mons probably the second most viable rain sweeper in the tier, providing a ton of role compression for the archetype and having a variety of options in its move set.

i really want to comment on hydreigon but its one of those mons ill love one week and think its a hidden gem than another week you face scarf fini every other game

 

[Gefährlicher Random]

Hey, i wanted to share some thoughts about some mons, here we go:

A+ > A-

The metagame is definitly not favoring Corviknight as of right now. Most Landos are fog and not Rocks, whereas Tran/Ferro tend to be the Rocker, and even Knock Rocks Lando is a huge pain for Corv as you want to run BPress (if you drop BPress you will probably end up Weavile weak) so Lando can just sit on you. Zone is a real pain, the hail mu is trouble with most Corv teams and the list goes on. Corv should drop 2 or maybe 3 ranks.

A+ > S-/S

This mon is just a huge pain to prep for. It basically forces you to use either Blissey, Volcarona or Scizor which all suck (besides Volcarona) and are a huge investment. It has many good sets, personally i think Never-Melt Ice 3 attacks and Sub DD are the best ones but Specs, Sub 2 attacks or some other stuff is also viable. Mons like Clef or Corv dont beat or check it and get frozen super easily (same goes for Scizor) and the DD set can just 6:0 in the right matchups and is really consistant imo. If i had to name one mon which might deserve a ban/suspect it would be Kyurem (altough im not sure if i would ban it).

A+ > S-

Won't go into much detail here, i think the mon is really consistant and does a lot of stuff really well.

A > B+/B

I know that this might be a bit more controversial but i think this mon sucks big time. Its super weak, you are always missing a move, you just wait to be haxed by Kyurem/Lele/Melm and the Item slot is also a big headache. Zone teams are a big problem aswell, as most trapper Zones run Helm and Specs hits you super hard. Might be the worst ''steel'' rn.

A- > B+/B

Blissey is a mu fish in a bad way. It's a huge commitment in teambuilding and always missing moves. Most special threats have a way around it with momentum moves, Trick or sets that dont get hit by the status move you are running (if you can fit that lol). It being weak to Knock Off / U-turn sucks super hard aswell but it's necessary on some teams.

A- > A+

This should rise. Super consistant, Momentum + Regenerator is super good and even without FS its a great tool to break down fat teams because of the free pivots on Knock Off, Toxic or Scald.

B+ > B-

Sand is unviable and outclassed by similar playstyles like Hail, Rain or Sun and outside of sand teams its just a mediocre Rocker that checks some stuff on paper but is super weak to Rocks (you need Lefties) and momentum moves.

B+ > A-/A

Great Mon which is seeing a lot of usage right now. Abuses the Lando Spam, breaks super consistantly and makes some cool team structures work. Should definitly rise a few ranks.

B > B+/A-

Super dangerous and likes the current meta trends. Easy to incoperate into some structures and gets some 6:0 matchups.

B- > B

Solid steel and fits on some cool teams.

C+ > B+

This mon is super awesome and underrated as fuck. Its super consistant and a jack of all trades. Can win you games, can break games open, it's a great Rocker since it wins against the common foggers and does a shitload even to sdef Lando with Meteor Beam. Even in matchups where you dont sweep it has great defensive and offensive utility and the speed is awesome. Imo easily the most underrated mon rn.

C- > B

Another awesome and super underrated mon. It's really similar to Nihilego in the sense that it brings great defensive utility to offensive teams but still offers the qualities of a win con + a mid game breaker. Also, Air Slash is super nasty and helps you break through Pex really consistently. Defensive sets are unviable.

edit:

A > S-

I forgot this guy. Melm is super awesome and great offensively and defensively. In my opinion the best steel type with Tran and a big threat to almost every team. Iron Bash is also super broken.

 

[Walletinspector62]

Hey, i wanted to share some thoughts about some mons, here we go:

A+ > A-

The metagame is definitly not favoring Corviknight as of right now. Most Landos are fog and not Rocks, whereas Tran/Ferro tend to be the Rocker, and even Knock Rocks Lando is a huge pain for Corv as you want to run BPress (if you drop BPress you will probably end up Weavile weak) so Lando can just sit on you. Zone is a real pain, the hail mu is trouble with most Corv teams and the list goes on. Corv should drop 2 or maybe 3 ranks.

A+ > S-/S

This mon is just a huge pain to prep for. It basically forces you to use either Blissey, Volcarona or Scizor which all suck (besides Volcarona) and are a huge investment. It has many good sets, personally i think Never-Melt Ice 3 attacks and Sub DD are the best ones but Specs, Sub 2 attacks or some other stuff is also viable. Mons like Clef or Corv dont beat or check it and get frozen super easily (same goes for Scizor) and the DD set can just 6:0 in the right matchups and is really consistant imo. If i had to name one mon which might deserve a ban/suspect it would be Kyurem (altough im not sure if i would ban it).

A+ > S-

Won't go into much detail here, i think the mon is really consistant and does a lot of stuff really well.

A > B+/B

I know that this might be a bit more controversial but i think this mon sucks big time. Its super weak, you are always missing a move, you just wait to be haxed by Kyurem/Lele/Melm and the Item slot is also a big headache. Zone teams are a big problem aswell, as most trapper Zones run Helm and Specs hits you super hard. Might be the worst ''steel'' rn.

A- > B+/B

Blissey is a mu fish in a bad way. It's a huge commitment in teambuilding and always missing moves. Most special threats have a way around it with momentum moves, Trick or sets that dont get hit by the status move you are running (if you can fit that lol). It being weak to Knock Off / U-turn sucks super hard aswell but it's necessary on some teams.

A- > A+

This should rise. Super consistant, Momentum + Regenerator is super good and even without FS its a great tool to break down fat teams because of the free pivots on Knock Off, Toxic or Scald.

B+ > B-

Sand is unviable and outclassed by similar playstyles like Hail, Rain or Sun and outside of sand teams its just a mediocre Rocker that checks some stuff on paper but is super weak to Rocks (you need Lefties) and momentum moves.

B+ > A-/A

Great Mon which is seeing a lot of usage right now. Abuses the Lando Spam, breaks super consistantly and makes some cool team structures work. Should definitly rise a few ranks.

B > B+/A-

Super dangerous and likes the current meta trends. Easy to incoperate into some structures and gets some 6:0 matchups.

B- > B

Solid steel and fits on some cool teams.

C+ > B+

This mon is super awesome and underrated as fuck. Its super consistant and a jack of all trades. Can win you games, can break games open, it's a great Rocker since it wins against the common foggers and does a shitload even to sdef Lando with Meteor Beam. Even in matchups where you dont sweep it has great defensive and offensive utility and the speed is awesome. Imo easily the most underrated mon rn.

C- > B

Another awesome and super underrated mon. It's really similar to Nihilego in the sense that it brings great defensive utility to offensive teams but still offers the qualities of a win con + a mid game breaker. Also, Air Slash is super nasty and helps you break through Pex really consistently. Defensive sets are unviable.

edit:

A > S-

I forgot this guy. Melm is super awesome and great offensively and defensively. In my opinion the best steel type with Tran and a big threat to almost every team. Iron Bash is also super broken.

Agree with most of your noms, but I wish people would stop nomming kyurem for s. Are people just forgetting this thing has flaws? It’s not as splashable as mons like pult Lando Tran or even most of the A+ ranks. Also I agree with the torn nom, but consistency is literally what’s holding it back lol

 

[Plushietran]

Seconded. I really don't know why this clamor for Scizor drop.

I think people use it wrongly. They use it on fat and get disappointed expecting it to be a defensive behemoth like Toxapex or Ferrothorn, when in reality it is more suited to offenses as a solid pivot with plenty of role-compression.

I agree with this to be honest, i think these claims might've been more relevant in earlier stages in the metagame, but right now with Kyurem being better than ever now, and scarf Tapu Lele running around that justify its role more for offense then yeah, i absolutely agree.

 

[julian113]

Alright I haven’t made any noms in a while, so here we go (will be including the obligatory blaziken nom as usual B- is a crime lol) I’ll be focusing my thoughts on the lower ranks.

to UR
This thing is not effective on any ho archtype, it never seems remotely threatening, and any defensive set is hopelessly outclassed by corv and skarm.

to C
It’s a very niche pick on rain, similar to charizard on sun. It should stay one rank higher though because rain is more viable than sun.

to B-
It’s a not so niche pick on rain, great role compression and fantastic way of bypassing rain checks like toxapex (and gastrodon with power whip). Just falling short of staple status, but an excellent pick nonetheless.

to C-/UR
This doesn’t feel threatening like it’s been in the past, because of strong defensive and offensive checks like pex, ferro, kartana, rillaboom, and tons more faster stuff that doesn’t die to +6 jet. All in all feels completely outclassed by other offensive waters like crawdaunt and shifu, tho I wouldn’t mind keeping it ranked cause it’s been a proven threat before.

to C+ to C
I don’t think C rank does the sun archetype justice because of the unmatched damage output from its breakers, but I do think it’s still too defog reliant and dragon weak to justify B-. I think that darm is a stronger option on the archetype than zard so that should rise aswell.

to UR
This is a meme at best and I can’t understand why anyone would use this seriously over slowking-g outside of the cheesy quick draw quick claw belly drum shenanigans.

to B/B+
You knew it was coming. Guys use protect lo 3 attacks or sd leftovers, these sets have insane cleaning potential. Band despite my initial disappointment has grown on me a little, it’s a respectable option for a breaker too. Obviously standard lo sd still works fantastically on screens, destroying the checks it shares with other ho mons thanks to good coverage options, particularly thunder punch since screens allow you to frequently get two hits off on the likes of slowbro and tapu fini if they come in on the sd. I haven’t saved replays yet I promise I will remember next time I’m laddering lmao but it’s better to try blaziken out yourself to get a better picture of what it can do. I promise it will impress you.

Some random thoughts on other noms:
-scizor seems fine in A, doesn’t need a rise or drop imo
-exca should also stay in B, I feel like being the best user of rapid spin in the tier, while still having sweeping potential in sand if the metal birds are gone and lando is weakened is something to consider ig.
-corv should defo stay A+
-kyu is not S- worthy and could even fall to A imo. It’s very threatening but it’s difficult to fit on teams and the rocks weakness makes it a bit challenging to utilize well.
-gzap looks like it fits comfortably in A-, one of the best newfound breakers in the tier that bullies lando.

 

[Baloor]

while im not a blaziken believer, we should rise chicken due to julians efforts. man is dedicated to posting about chicken every other week. its also been seeing some scl usage, while that doesnt mean its a good mon (looking at the pu stall that won a game), its more of a relevant threat than the stuff in b-.

team julian rise up

 

[THKNKG]

to UR
This thing is not effective on any ho archtype, it never seems remotely threatening, and any defensive set is hopelessly outclassed by corv and skarm

If it never seems remotely threatening, you’ve been fortunate lol. The thing gives some great defensive utility for a relatively offensive mon, switching in on stuff like lando and taking lots of neutral hits, and if you set up an autotomize, it can let loose. Beast boost snowballs so fast. If you kill something with meteor beam, you’re at +2 and cleanly 2HKO pex with air slash, so it has to decide if it wants to haze you in which case you meteor beam again, or recover in which case you might just flinch it with air slash. It’s also an offensive mon that can deal pretty well with priority, so it beats shifu, rilla, weavile, bish if it’s remotely close to full, etc. It’s not just an HO mon, since it can be a good steel type to add on a more balance team to provide some defensive coverage, while also being super super scary. This thing and nihilego and blacephalon all are horrifying after a beast boost so I hard disagree with a drop to unranked, and if anything it could merit a rise along with some fo the other beast boosters thatve been rising

 

[Clone]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen8ou-589700

SCL last week. Had Felix used the superior pads set, it would've 6-0ed Ox Hail. This alone is grounds for a rise

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen8ou-579741

I also used it vs Ox Hail in Smogon Tour and would've won on the spot had I gotten the 68% chance roll on Torn.

I'll make a more in depth post if this gets pushback, but consider this a +1 for B/B+. It's definitely better than most of the B mons

 

[Liquidocelot]

As an absolute love and dedicated Sand player I have to say. Drop Exca and Zolt to C+. I used to be a believer and am no longer.

Zolt hates a ton of the common pokemon. The bests sets hate the rise of Scarf Lele. They also hate the rise of SPD Lando, Hippo and ground types in general. While they prey upon Corv/Tran cores in general they aren't the best in the current metagame.

Drill. He can't touch Corv, Lando continously shots upon him, Rilla shits on him as does all other relevant priority. and he can barely switch in on anything but Koko. In my opinion he is the worse of the two Sand rushers by far and him and Zolt should be kept together as they rely on each other.

I just think both should drop to C+

 

[julian113]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen8ou-589700

SCL last week. Had Felix used the superior pads set, it would've 6-0ed Ox Hail. This alone is grounds for a rise

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen8ou-579741

I also used it vs Ox Hail in Smogon Tour and would've won on the spot had I gotten the 68% chance roll on Torn.

I'll make a more in depth post if this gets pushback, but consider this a +1 for B/B+. It's definitely better than most of the B mons

I wanted to thank you for sharing these replays against hail in particular because that is one of the archetypes I’ve found any variant of a well-played blaziken is absolutely dominating, since they rely purely on lando and momentum to check the kfc legend. It also preys upon a lot of the steel heavy builds that have been floating around, much like we’ve seen with gzap, thanks to its stabs hitting all of the steels for super effective damage. Also important to note that if you decide to go with eq as your coverage move you definitely 6-0 a lot of shed stall builds that rely on pex’s typing to take it on (need to hit the unaware clef on the switch tho).
I’ll link some replays when I get the chance cause this is gaining a bit of traction. Thanks for your support guys!

 

[FreshJuice]

Noms going around look nice.
My opinions.

->A+ [Agreed]
This mon is insane. You bash everything into death and things which take it either have mediocre longevity(ferro) or weak to its coverage(corv) or just beat up by one read(tran). Got pretty nice coverage and pure steel is good too.

-> B- {imo B} [Agreed]
Mons got insane spedef for offensive teams and pretty nice offensive defensive typing. Against fat you can meteor beam twice or thrice and roll over it while against offense its just one speed boost and its almost light out. Its got switch ins but they either have mediocre longevity or neutral to rocks. Got coverage and can beat bliss with pain split.


-> S- [Disagreed]
There were post denying this thing rising and its just the same thing.

-> A- [50/50]
Meta is not too hostile to it. Double steel core popping up, fini providing the water resistance and lele nuking everything does not help. Prolly the worst or tied with the worst fairy with a tales. But also it has stuff going for it like the fairy with longevity and magic guard. But If i were to choose, drop.

->A- (Imo A is fine) [Agreed]
Mons fire. Can run both choice items to trick.
TTar is not popular, drei aint popular. Mandi aint popular(even then roasted)

-> c+ [Disagreed]
Idk. Does not have recovery, bad defensive typing. Has coverage but 4mss is kinda present. If you aint hp losr to pex.If you aint megahorn lose to slowbro. Kinda outclassed by melm.

-> A+ [Agreed]
Basically blaceph but stronger bulkier slower god ability for 4 turns.

-> Drop [Agreed.....]
The mole has truly fallen. From Top tier ou to getting trashed. So sad.

-> Drop [Disagreed]
Ye spedef lando ruins it but lando is ruined by toxic possibly from hippo and bolt beak(edit i am a dummy and typed bolt beam) is strong.

-> A- [Agreed]
Simple to use. CC, BB, UT. Slap a cb and call it a day. And 100 speed is nice especially when you got demons like lele and kyurem running the tier.

-> B [Agreed], B+ [ Idk]
It definitely good and can go to b. But fini being good is kinda not good. But against few match ups it goes in. Spedef lando going around is nice too. And being a one time pivot to weav is not too bad.