Project SS OU Project- Victim Of The Week - NIDOKING

[incorolla]

Dragapult, Obstagoon

 

[death dreigon]

Dragapult, hydreigon

 

[BolTingBlazie]

if only cinderace could be a check in this weeks voting, a choice banded or life cinderace has a guarenteed okho on max hp spectrier as long as it does not have evs in defense.

But my vote is dragapult as a check, incineroar as a counter.

 

[Fusion Flare]

Ok, its been a year, time to revive this thread now.

Dragapult wins the checks section, with 6/7 votes! Congratulations to Steel With It !

As for the checks, things got a little tricky. There was a tie between Incineroar and Obstagoon as counters, with 2/7 votes each. SO I did a coin flip.

Obstagoon wins the counters section, with 3/7 votes! Congartulations to M24!


And for our newest victim....The Famed Fat Feller! The Crowned Core Crusher! The Balance Breaker Incarnate! NIDOKING!


Nidoking (M) @ Life Orb
Ability: Sheer Force
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Sludge Wave
- Earth Power
- Flamethrower / Ice Beam
- Substitute / Ice Beam / Taunt

This ruthless rodent rules over balance squads, who fear its destructive decimation! You'll be hard pressed to find switchins to overthrow this tyrant!

 

[Katy]

blissey


Blissey @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Bold Nature
- Seismic Toss
- Soft-Boiled
- Thunder Wave
- Teleport

is a great check to nidoking, as it can come in and when nidoking has no taunt in its arsenal it can easily seismic toss + soft boiled stall nidoking out, otherwise it can use a slow teleport and bring in a dangerous offensive threat in, which threatens nidoking. furthermore blissey tanks nidokings attacks with ease and therefore is a great check to it.​

 

[Monky25]

one minute i leave to the bathroom and the next blissey is gone.... reserving scarf lando-t

Landorus-Therian @ Choice Scarf
Jolly Nature
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 252 Atk / 12 Def / 244 Spe
- Earthquake
- U-turn
- Stone Edge
- Defog

Landorus is an offensive check to nidoking. It cant switch in much to flamethrower or ice beam but can force it out or revenge it with earthquake.
252 Atk Landorus-Therian Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Nidoking: 440-518 (145.2 - 170.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO

 

[AM]

Cresselia (F) @ Leftovers
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 216 Def / 24 SpD / 16 Spe
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Psychic
- Ice Beam
- Moonlight
- Toxic

You can opt for more special defense if its your primary nidoking check but defense > spdef lets it be a better check to chomp, lando-t so it has a more all around purpose.

252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Nidoking Sludge Wave vs. 252 HP / 24 SpD Cresselia: 153-183 (34.4 - 41.2%) -- 67.4% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
252+ SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Nidoking Sludge Wave vs. 252 HP / 24 SpD Cresselia: 169-200 (38 - 45%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

I put the modest calc in there even if its not part of the victim of the week just to show the possibility of modest nido.

 

[M24]

Lunatone @ Leftovers
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Stealth Rock
- Earth Power / Psychic
- Moonlight / Pain Split
- Toxic

Lunatone acts as a defensive counter to Nidoking.
Being able to both resist and immune to both of nidoking's stabs allows it to safely come in and set rocks as well as threaten it with earth power.

Offensive Calc:

0 SpA Lunatone Earth Power vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Nidoking: 158-186 (52.1 - 61.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Defensive Calcs:

252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Nidoking Ice Beam vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Lunatone: 100-118 (26 - 30.7%) -- guaranteed 4HKO
252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Nidoking Sludge Wave vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Lunatone: 78-94 (20.3 - 24.4%) -- guaranteed 5HKO

 

[658Greninja]

Gastrodon @ Leftovers/Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Sticky Hold/Storm Drain
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Scald
- Earth Power
- Recover
- Clear Smog/Toxic

Specially Defensive Gastrodon is a counter. Earth Power fails to 2HKO Gastrodon even after rocks. Even Modest Nidoking fails to 2HKO.

252+ SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Nidoking Earth Power vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Gastrodon: 168-199 (39.4 - 46.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

Earth Power kills after some chip and can just Recover off the dmg.

Boots can be used over Lefties to avoid TSpikes and unnecessary hazard damage. Sticky Hold can be used over Storm Drain for Trick Clef and Mag while absorbing Knock Off. Clear Smog to beat CM Clefable, Volcarona and CM Fini, Toxic to inflict status on Chomp, Torn, Rilla and Kyurem.

 

[Fusion Flare]

Lunatone @ Leftovers
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Stealth Rock
- Earth Power / Psychic
- Moonlight / Pain Split
- Toxic

Lunatone acts as a defensive counter to Nidoking.
Being able to both resist and immune to both of nidoking's stabs allows it to safely come in and set rocks as well as threaten it with earth power.

Offensive Calc:

0 SpA Lunatone Earth Power vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Nidoking: 158-186 (52.1 - 61.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Defensive Calcs:

252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Nidoking Ice Beam vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Lunatone: 100-118 (26 - 30.7%) -- guaranteed 4HKO
252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Nidoking Sludge Wave vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Lunatone: 78-94 (20.3 - 24.4%) -- guaranteed 5HKO

It pains me to say this. But as much as Lunatone completely shreds Nidoking like a Toxapex catching an Earth Power, Lunatone sadly is not ranked. You'll have to choose a different pokemon

 

[ChoiceScarfed]

Reserving Rotom-Wash

Rotom-Wash @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Levitate
IVs: 0 Atk
- Hydro Pump
- Thunderbolt
- Volt Switch
- Trick

 

[Drahe]

Keldeo @ Mystic Water
Ability: Justified
EVs: 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Hasty Nature
- Flip Turn
- Surf / Hydro Pump
- Secret Sword
- Taunt​

Better king's move against is

252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Nidoking Sludge Wave vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Keldeo: 216-255 (66.8 - 78.9%)
252 SpA Mystic Water Keldeo Surf vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Nidoking: 444-524 (146.5 - 172.9%)​

Keldeo is 108 base speed ; reach 346 just under kartana and latios ; above chomp!

I sometime play Keldeo when team need a water 'mon,​

This set is Hasty nature → Flip Turn : but I always take a scald burn on lil'pony ...
Yeah, don't break without Mystic Water (so no boots for pivoting) ; can't play life orb + flip turn,
This set is half break half pivot as keldeo isn't able to break thought all meta (pex total wall it),
So I can use it a way or another depending machup ! Don't know if this set run this meta post-urshi'ban
Those flip-turns damages are same ranges as stealth rocks

 

[RufflesPro]

Swampert @ Leftovers
Ability: Torrent
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Careful Nature
- Earthquake
- Flip Turn
- Stealth Rock
- Toxic / Protect

Swampert is a fantastic counter to Nidoking on balance, as it can live any hit Nidoking dishes out, kills it back, and preserves momentum through Flip Turn. Protect can be used if you want to heal up as much as possible to counter Nidoking even more consistently, while Toxic can help weaken other mons such as Zapdos and Landours-T. Even better if you use with Grassy Terrain for more health regeneration.

252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Nidoking Earth Power vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Swampert: 144-172 (35.6 - 42.5%) -- 90.2% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
0 Atk Swampert Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Nidoking: 290-344 (95.7 - 113.5%) -- 75% chance to OHKO

Nidoking is most likely never going for E-power anyways, most of the time its going for Sludge Wave or Flamethrower (unless you have too many steel types) and Swampert can easily switch into these moves. On a proper balance if you play right you only need to switch into swampert 2-3 times at most to regain the momentum.

 

[Lando-San]

Excadrill @ Air Balloon / Leftovers / Life Orb
Jolly Nature
Ability: Sand Rush
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
- Earthquake
- Iron Head
- Swords Dance
- Rapid Spin / Toxic / Rock Slide​

Nidoking is so damn threatening for sand to face because it can dismantle sand's defensive core with ease. It destroys common mons in that archetype like Tyranitar, Toxapex, Buzzwole, Tangrowth, Ferrothorn, etc; meaning the usual counterplay sand has against it is revenge killing with Excadrill or Dracozolt under sand (120+ LO EQ OHKO Nidoking after one round of rocks).
Excadrill is a good check to Nidoking in general, it can revenge kill it in almost any scenario that doesn't involve Nidoking behind a Sub and with It having Flamethrower in its arsenal. The tech in Air Ballon Excadrill can switch-in if you can predict the Earth Power or Sludge Wave; however it loses 100% if it clicks Sub as you switch-in and it has Flamethrower; nonetheless, if Nidoking has Ice Beam, Air Balloon Excadrill wins even if they Sub on the switch. Also, this set is actually very decent in sand because it can alleviate a bit the fact that the archetype can be weak to Ground-type moves in general.


252 Atk Excadrill Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Nidoking: 420-494 (138.6 - 163%) -- guaranteed OHKO

252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Nidoking Ice Beam vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Excadrill: 177-209 (49 - 57.8%) -- 96.9% chance to 2HKO

252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Nidoking Flamethrower vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Excadrill: 354-419 (98 - 116%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO

 

[Chazm]

Reserving Mantine

 

[Amir]

Slowking

Slowking @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Def / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Slack Off
- Scald
- Future Sight
- Teleport​

Ah Slowking the other King of the metagame, how nice of a buff has Teleport and removal of Pursuit SS has gave you. Well Slowking is one of the best answers out there to Nidoking, probably considered it as a hard counter where it is capable of tanking any hit fired by Nidoking and not fearing the 2HKO and recovering the damage with Slack off or switching out and gaining back 33% of it's HP thanks to Regenerator.
Slowking not only has good defensive capabilities but also has potential offensive pressure firing off powerful super effective Scalds very freely or setting up a Future Sight and then using Teleport for a teammate to take advantage of the momentum gained for even more pressure.
Note: Although I put a Calm nature here, Sassy Nature with 0 IVs in Speed allows you to take advantage of slow Teleports and help in a Slowking vs Slowking / Slowbro situation having them teleport out first into a pokemon and then your slowking teleport after into an appropriate answer.

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Here's a calc to demonstrate the interaction of the two kings.
252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Nidoking Sludge Wave vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Slowking: 134-160 (34 - 40.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
0 SpA Slowking Scald vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Nidoking: 218-258 (71.9 - 85.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock [hide/]

 

[Fusion Flare]

Ok, ok, voting time! For those who did not finish their submissions, unfortunately your submission will not be put in the voting slate! Sorry!

Choose 1 check and 1 counter!

Counters:
by 658Greninja

by AM

by Amir

by RufflesPro

by Katy

Checks:

by Monky25

by Lando-San

by ChoiceScarfed

by Drahe

Voting ends by Monday!

 

[Lando-San]

Check: Landorus-T
Counter: Slowking

This mon is pretty hard to deal and with all VolTurnPort support on the tier, this mon has a great chance to suceed.

 

[Katy]

cress & landot

 

[Amir]

Blissey, Lando-t.

 

[MLBL]

Cresselia & Landorus-T.

 

[Dragonpiley007]

Slowking and Lando-T

 

[Pokeseba]

Cress and Keldeo