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Project SS PU Victim of the Week | Week 2 - Sneasel (Submissions)
- Thread starter gum
- Start date
Checks: Silvally-Rock and Onix
Counters: Torracat and Clops
Counters: Torracat and Clops
Checks: Onix and Drakloak
Counters: Torracat and Dusclops
Counters: Torracat and Dusclops
Checks: Rockvally and Drakloak
Counters: Togetic and Klang
Counters: Togetic and Klang
Checks: Onix and Stonjourner
Counters: Pyukumuku and Torracat
Counters: Pyukumuku and Torracat
Checks: Crustle and Vullaby
Counters: Torracat and Dusclops
Counters: Torracat and Dusclops
Checks: Onix, Drakloak
Counters: Torracat, Carkol
Counters: Torracat, Carkol
Manectric, Onix
Torracat, Klang
Torracat, Klang
Winners
Checks
Checks
User | Pokemon | Submission |
|---|---|---|
gum | 
| Crustle (13 votes) |
Katy | 
| Silvally-Rock (11 votes) |
Counters
This voting session was unbelievable! This is has never happened folks, I kid you not. Want to know how many ppl voted this time?
30 people in total!!!!!!!
The most I've seen at one time is 19 if I recall correctly. I want to see this consistently. I love tallying the votes and trust me it was fun sorting them over and over again! =)
Honorable mentions: I had no submission myself and therefore, none to put here lol
Week 6
The next mon being targeted is.................
Musharna @ Colbur Berry
Ability: Synchronize
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 SpA
Bold Nature
- Calm Mind
- Psychic
- Moonblast
- Moonlight
Voting will begin Wednesday night!
30 people in total!!!!!!!
The most I've seen at one time is 19 if I recall correctly. I want to see this consistently. I love tallying the votes and trust me it was fun sorting them over and over again! =)
Honorable mentions: I had no submission myself and therefore, none to put here lol
Checks
Crustle - 13
Silvally-Rock - 11
Drakloak - 9
Stonjourner - 9
Manectric - 7
Onix - 7
Vullaby - 4
Counters
Torracat - 14
Togetic - 12
Klang - 12
Carkol - 7
Dusclops - 6
Pyukumuku - 5
Heatmor - 4
Crustle - 13
Silvally-Rock - 11
Drakloak - 9
Stonjourner - 9
Manectric - 7
Onix - 7
Vullaby - 4
Counters
Torracat - 14
Togetic - 12
Klang - 12
Carkol - 7
Dusclops - 6
Pyukumuku - 5
Heatmor - 4
Oathkeepre - 5
Cheezy - 4
gum - 4
zS - 4
Katy - 3
Shing'n Streets - 3
asa - 2
BulbaBrain - 2
Mirbro - 2
SergioRules - 2
Sir Pin - 2
Squash17 - 2
twitch.tv/Bag_of_Trixx - 2
Rubicon - 1
sexywooper - 1
uhuhuhu7 - 1
Cheezy - 4
gum - 4
zS - 4
Katy - 3
Shing'n Streets - 3
asa - 2
BulbaBrain - 2
Mirbro - 2
SergioRules - 2
Sir Pin - 2
Squash17 - 2
twitch.tv/Bag_of_Trixx - 2
Rubicon - 1
sexywooper - 1
uhuhuhu7 - 1
Week 6
The next mon being targeted is.................
Musharna @ Colbur Berry
Ability: Synchronize
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 SpA
Bold Nature
- Calm Mind
- Psychic
- Moonblast
- Moonlight
Voting will begin Wednesday night!
Katy
Banned deucer.
Silvally-Bug @ Bug Memory
Ability: RKS System
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Swords Dance
- Multi-Attack
- Rock Slide
- Flame Charge
this
set checks musharna as it can come in multiple amount of times and threaten musharna out due to its strong stab in multi-attack, bugvally can also set up a swords dance and can ohko musharana after it. furthermore silvally-bug profits from flame charge as it can gain a speed boost and is able to outspeed some scarfers in the tier. silvally-bug can also use rock slide against fyling-types which might be paired with musharna, to check bugtypes like silvally.however, silvally-bug has to be careful when it hard switches into an already boosted musharna as it does a good amount of damage
to bugvally with its stab psychic and also its coverage-option in moonblast.
but in overall silvally-bug acts like a phenomenal check to this psychic-type pokémon in musharna.
calcs:
252 Atk Silvally-Bug Multi-Attack vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Musharna: 254-300 (58.2 - 68.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
+2 252 Atk Silvally-Bug Multi-Attack vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Musharna: 506-596 (116 - 136.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
0 SpA Musharna Psychic vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Silvally-Bug: 108-127 (32.6 - 38.3%) -- 4.7% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock
0 SpA Musharna Moonblast vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Silvally-Bug: 75-89 (22.6 - 26.8%) -- 35.1% chance to 3HKO after Stealth Rock
+1 0 SpA Musharna Psychic vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Silvally-Bug: 160-189 (48.3 - 57%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
+1 0 SpA Musharna Moonblast vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Silvally-Bug: 113-133 (34.1 - 40.1%) -- 35.5% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock
+2 0 SpA Musharna Psychic vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Silvally-Bug: 213-252 (64.3 - 76.1%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
+2 0 SpA Musharna Moonblast vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Silvally-Bug: 150-177 (45.3 - 53.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
+2 252 Atk Silvally-Bug Multi-Attack vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Musharna: 506-596 (116 - 136.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
0 SpA Musharna Psychic vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Silvally-Bug: 108-127 (32.6 - 38.3%) -- 4.7% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock
0 SpA Musharna Moonblast vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Silvally-Bug: 75-89 (22.6 - 26.8%) -- 35.1% chance to 3HKO after Stealth Rock
+1 0 SpA Musharna Psychic vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Silvally-Bug: 160-189 (48.3 - 57%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
+1 0 SpA Musharna Moonblast vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Silvally-Bug: 113-133 (34.1 - 40.1%) -- 35.5% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock
+2 0 SpA Musharna Psychic vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Silvally-Bug: 213-252 (64.3 - 76.1%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
+2 0 SpA Musharna Moonblast vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Silvally-Bug: 150-177 (45.3 - 53.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
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I'm nominating this pyukumuku set as a defensive counter to the given musharna set.
Pyukumuku @ Leftovers
Ability: Unaware
EVs: 248 HP / 192 Def / 68 SpD
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Rest
- Block
- Toxic
- Soak
The combination of block, toxic, and rest allow pyukumuku to trap and poison musharna while healing both damage and status received from synchronize. Unaware allows pyukumuku to ignore musharna's stat changes, making it one of very few pokemon who can stop it after it has used multiple calm minds. The EV spread allows pyukumuku to avoid being knocked out with four psychics from musharna while also avoiding a three-hit-KO from max speed 252 attack silvally multi-attack 99.8% of the time. Having Pyukumuku on your team will make setup worthless for opposing musharna and will either trap it or consistently force it to switch out, benefiting your team greatly.
A downside to this set is its passivity. It loses hard to taunt and trick and can be broken by manectric, mr. rime, and glaceon. However, pairing pyukumuku with offensive threats and double-switching into them will allow your team to gain momentum any time that musharna is on the field.
Only one calculation matters in this case, since all stat changes are ignored:
+6 8 SpA Musharna Psychic vs. 248 HP / 68 SpD Unaware Pyukumuku: 78-93 (24.9 - 29.7%) -- 0% chance to 4HKO after Leftovers recovery
Pyukumuku @ Leftovers
Ability: Unaware
EVs: 248 HP / 192 Def / 68 SpD
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Rest
- Block
- Toxic
- Soak
The combination of block, toxic, and rest allow pyukumuku to trap and poison musharna while healing both damage and status received from synchronize. Unaware allows pyukumuku to ignore musharna's stat changes, making it one of very few pokemon who can stop it after it has used multiple calm minds. The EV spread allows pyukumuku to avoid being knocked out with four psychics from musharna while also avoiding a three-hit-KO from max speed 252 attack silvally multi-attack 99.8% of the time. Having Pyukumuku on your team will make setup worthless for opposing musharna and will either trap it or consistently force it to switch out, benefiting your team greatly.
A downside to this set is its passivity. It loses hard to taunt and trick and can be broken by manectric, mr. rime, and glaceon. However, pairing pyukumuku with offensive threats and double-switching into them will allow your team to gain momentum any time that musharna is on the field.
Only one calculation matters in this case, since all stat changes are ignored:
+6 8 SpA Musharna Psychic vs. 248 HP / 68 SpD Unaware Pyukumuku: 78-93 (24.9 - 29.7%) -- 0% chance to 4HKO after Leftovers recovery
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Trevenant @ Choice Band
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Horn Leech
- Shadow Claw
- Earthquake
- Trick
Choice Band Trevenant in general is a Pokemon that I think is fairly underrated. However, it acts as a great offensive check to Calm Mind Musharna. Its Ghost-type STAB means that it can hit most Psychic-types super-effectively since they run Colbur Berries and Trick means it can cripple those Pokemon as they try to set up or heal. Trevenant's CB Shadow Claw always 2HKOs Musharna, while Musharna can only 3HKO, with a small chance to 2HKO if rocks are up. If a Trevenant at full HP switches into an unboosted Musharna, it will always win the 1v1, the only shaky parts that make it a check instead of a counter are if Trevenant gets chipped too hard or if Musharna already has a Calm Mind up and Trevenant switches into an attack.
252+ Atk Choice Band Trevenant Shadow Claw vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Musharna: 270-318 (62 - 73.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
8 SpA Musharna Psychic vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Trevenant: 121-144 (38.9 - 46.3%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
8 SpA Musharna Psychic vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Trevenant: 121-144 (38.9 - 46.3%) -- 23.8% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock
+1 8 SpA Musharna Psychic vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Trevenant: 183-216 (58.8 - 69.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
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Nominating Gothitelle as an offensive counter to Musharna.
Gothitelle @ Choice Band
Ability: Competitive
EVs: 248 HP / 252 SpA / 8 SpD
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Shadow Ball
- Nasty Plot
- Trick
- Psychic
Gothitelle serves as an excellent counter to Musharna, as it can take boosted attacks and return them with a boosted SE shadow ball. NP allows you to boost to extreme levels forcing Musharna to switch or lose a lot of health, Trick plus CB can at best remove Colbur Berry and even lock them into CM or Moonlight, giving Goth a chance to set up. Psychic is chosen as a STAB move to dent other mons other than Mush. Competitive makes Musharna regret getting the SpD drop from psychic or the SpA drop from Moonblast. The given EV plus a modest nature allows Goth to take a few hits and hit back very hard.
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252+ SpA Gothitelle Shadow Ball vs. 248 HP / 0 SpD Musharna: 162-192 (37.2 - 44.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
2 252+ SpA Gothitelle Shadow Ball vs. +1 248 HP / 0 SpD Musharna: 214-254 (49.1 - 58.3%) -- 98% chance to 2HKO
+1 8 SpA Musharna Moonblast vs. 248 HP / 8 SpD Gothitelle: 100-118 (29.1 - 34.4%) -- 4.2% chance to 3HKO
+1 8 SpA Musharna Psychic vs. 248 HP / 8 SpD Gothitelle: 71-84 (20.6 - 24.4%) -- guaranteed 5HKO
2 252+ SpA Gothitelle Shadow Ball vs. +1 248 HP / 0 SpD Musharna: 214-254 (49.1 - 58.3%) -- 98% chance to 2HKO
+1 8 SpA Musharna Moonblast vs. 248 HP / 8 SpD Gothitelle: 100-118 (29.1 - 34.4%) -- 4.2% chance to 3HKO
+1 8 SpA Musharna Psychic vs. 248 HP / 8 SpD Gothitelle: 71-84 (20.6 - 24.4%) -- guaranteed 5HKO
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Nominating Glaceon as a offensive check to Musharna.
Glaceon @ Choice Specs/Heavy Duty Boots
Ability: Ice Body
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Frost Breath
- Ice Beam
- Shadow Ball
- Water Pulse
Glaceon can use it's move Frost Breath to ignore Musharna's stat changes so it can 2HKO it. Shadow Ball also hits it super effectively and 2HKO's it too. Heavy Duty Boots is also a item option in case you want to ignore Rocks damage.
Basically, if you want a straightforward explanation on how this set works, you switch in on a Psychic/Moonblast/CM and then 2HKO it from there with Frost Breath/Shadow Ball.
Glaceon @ Choice Specs/Heavy Duty Boots
Ability: Ice Body
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Frost Breath
- Ice Beam
- Shadow Ball
- Water Pulse
Glaceon can use it's move Frost Breath to ignore Musharna's stat changes so it can 2HKO it. Shadow Ball also hits it super effectively and 2HKO's it too. Heavy Duty Boots is also a item option in case you want to ignore Rocks damage.
8 SpA Musharna Psychic vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Glaceon: 108-127 (39.8 - 46.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
8 SpA Musharna Psychic vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Glaceon: 108-127 (39.8 - 46.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
+1 8 SpA Musharna Psychic vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Glaceon: 160-190 (59 - 70.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+1 8 SpA Musharna Psychic vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Glaceon: 160-190 (59 - 70.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
+2 8 SpA Musharna Psychic vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Glaceon: 214-253 (78.9 - 93.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+2 8 SpA Musharna Psychic vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Glaceon: 214-253 (78.9 - 93.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock
252+ SpA Glaceon Frost Breath vs. 248 HP / 0 SpD Musharna on a critical hit: 169-199 (38.8 - 45.7%) -- 16.4% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock
252+ SpA Glaceon Shadow Ball vs. 248 HP / 0 SpD Musharna: 202-238 (46.4 - 54.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
252+ SpA Choice Specs Glaceon Frost Breath vs. 248 HP / 0 SpD Musharna on a critical hit: 253-298 (58.1 - 68.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
252+ SpA Choice Specs Glaceon Shadow Ball vs. 248 HP / 0 SpD Musharna: 300-354 (68.9 - 81.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
8 SpA Musharna Psychic vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Glaceon: 108-127 (39.8 - 46.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
+1 8 SpA Musharna Psychic vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Glaceon: 160-190 (59 - 70.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+1 8 SpA Musharna Psychic vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Glaceon: 160-190 (59 - 70.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
+2 8 SpA Musharna Psychic vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Glaceon: 214-253 (78.9 - 93.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+2 8 SpA Musharna Psychic vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Glaceon: 214-253 (78.9 - 93.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock
252+ SpA Glaceon Frost Breath vs. 248 HP / 0 SpD Musharna on a critical hit: 169-199 (38.8 - 45.7%) -- 16.4% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock
252+ SpA Glaceon Shadow Ball vs. 248 HP / 0 SpD Musharna: 202-238 (46.4 - 54.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
252+ SpA Choice Specs Glaceon Frost Breath vs. 248 HP / 0 SpD Musharna on a critical hit: 253-298 (58.1 - 68.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
252+ SpA Choice Specs Glaceon Shadow Ball vs. 248 HP / 0 SpD Musharna: 300-354 (68.9 - 81.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
Basically, if you want a straightforward explanation on how this set works, you switch in on a Psychic/Moonblast/CM and then 2HKO it from there with Frost Breath/Shadow Ball.
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I nominate Dusknoir as a counter
@ Leftovers
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 SpD
Careful Nature
- Power-Up Punch
- Darkest Lariat
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
The set is self explanatory. Spam Power-Up Punch until you are +2 or +3, then spam Darkest Lariat, and use resttalk when you are low.
+2 4 Atk Dusknoir Darkest Lariat vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Colbur Berry Musharna: 98-116 (22.5 - 26.6%) -- 25.9% chance to 4HKO
+2 4 Atk Dusknoir Darkest Lariat vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Musharna: 196-232 (45 - 53.3%) -- 31.6% chance to 2HKO
+3 4 Atk Dusknoir Darkest Lariat vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Musharna: 246-290 (56.5 - 66.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+2 8 SpA Musharna Psychic vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Dusknoir: 121-144 (41.1 - 48.9%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
+1 8 SpA Musharna Psychic vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Dusknoir: 91-108 (30.9 - 36.7%) -- guaranteed 4HKO after Leftovers recovery
@ Leftovers Ability: Pressure
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 SpD
Careful Nature
- Power-Up Punch
- Darkest Lariat
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
The set is self explanatory. Spam Power-Up Punch until you are +2 or +3, then spam Darkest Lariat, and use resttalk when you are low.
+2 4 Atk Dusknoir Darkest Lariat vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Colbur Berry Musharna: 98-116 (22.5 - 26.6%) -- 25.9% chance to 4HKO
+2 4 Atk Dusknoir Darkest Lariat vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Musharna: 196-232 (45 - 53.3%) -- 31.6% chance to 2HKO
+3 4 Atk Dusknoir Darkest Lariat vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Musharna: 246-290 (56.5 - 66.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+2 8 SpA Musharna Psychic vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Dusknoir: 121-144 (41.1 - 48.9%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
+1 8 SpA Musharna Psychic vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Dusknoir: 91-108 (30.9 - 36.7%) -- guaranteed 4HKO after Leftovers recovery
Nominating Klang as a defensive counter.
Klang @ Eviolite
Ability: Clear Body
EVs: 252 HP / 76 Atk / 88 SpD / 92 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Shift Gear
- Gear Grind
- Wild Charge
- Rest
Klang resists both of Musharna's moves and uses shift gear into gear grind to 2hko it at +3.
Calcs:
+3 76+ Atk Klang Gear Grind (2 hits) vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Musharna: 218-258 (50.1 - 59.3%) -- approx. 2HKO
+1 8 SpA Musharna Psychic vs. 252 HP / 88 SpD Eviolite Klang: 54-63 (16.6 - 19.4%) -- possible 5HKO after Stealth Rock
+2 8 SpA Musharna Psychic vs. 252 HP / 88 SpD Eviolite Klang: 72-84 (22.2 - 25.9%) -- 81.2% chance to 4HKO after Stealth Rock
+3 8 SpA Musharna Psychic vs. 252 HP / 88 SpD Eviolite Klang: 89-105 (27.4 - 32.4%) -- 7.9% chance to 3HKO after Stealth Rock
Klang @ Eviolite
Ability: Clear Body
EVs: 252 HP / 76 Atk / 88 SpD / 92 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Shift Gear
- Gear Grind
- Wild Charge
- Rest
Klang resists both of Musharna's moves and uses shift gear into gear grind to 2hko it at +3.
Calcs:
+3 76+ Atk Klang Gear Grind (2 hits) vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Musharna: 218-258 (50.1 - 59.3%) -- approx. 2HKO
+1 8 SpA Musharna Psychic vs. 252 HP / 88 SpD Eviolite Klang: 54-63 (16.6 - 19.4%) -- possible 5HKO after Stealth Rock
+2 8 SpA Musharna Psychic vs. 252 HP / 88 SpD Eviolite Klang: 72-84 (22.2 - 25.9%) -- 81.2% chance to 4HKO after Stealth Rock
+3 8 SpA Musharna Psychic vs. 252 HP / 88 SpD Eviolite Klang: 89-105 (27.4 - 32.4%) -- 7.9% chance to 3HKO after Stealth Rock
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Crustle @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Shell Smash
- X-Scissor
- Stone Edge
- Earthquake
crustle works great as an offensive check to musharna. crustle can smash up and survive a hit thanks to sturdyboots and has a chance to ohko mush at +2 and is a guaranteed ohko with just a bit of chip. with no boosts, crustle has nearly a 50% chance to 2hko mush with x-scissor, and the 2hko is guaranteed with a bit of chip.
252+ Atk Crustle X-Scissor vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Musharna: 200-236 (45.9 - 54.2%) -- 48.4% chance to 2HKO
252+ Atk Crustle X-Scissor vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Musharna: 200-236 (45.9 - 54.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
+2 252+ Atk Crustle X-Scissor vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Musharna: 396-468 (91 - 107.5%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO
+2 252+ Atk Crustle X-Scissor vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Musharna: 396-468 (91 - 107.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock
252+ Atk Crustle X-Scissor vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Musharna: 200-236 (45.9 - 54.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
+2 252+ Atk Crustle X-Scissor vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Musharna: 396-468 (91 - 107.5%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO
+2 252+ Atk Crustle X-Scissor vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Musharna: 396-468 (91 - 107.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock
8 SpA Musharna Psychic vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Crustle: 132-156 (46.9 - 55.5%) -- 69.5% chance to 2HKO
+1 8 SpA Musharna Psychic vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Crustle: 196-232 (69.7 - 82.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+2 8 SpA Musharna Psychic vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Crustle: 262-309 (93.2 - 109.9%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO
+3 8 SpA Musharna Psychic vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Crustle: 328-387 (116.7 - 137.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+1 8 SpA Musharna Psychic vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Crustle: 196-232 (69.7 - 82.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+2 8 SpA Musharna Psychic vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Crustle: 262-309 (93.2 - 109.9%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO
+3 8 SpA Musharna Psychic vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Crustle: 328-387 (116.7 - 137.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
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I'm Nominating Bronzor as a defensive counter to Musharna
Bronzor @ Eviolite
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
- Toxic
- Psychic
- Stealth Rock
- Rest
Bronzor is a special tank that is very overlooked in the PU metagame. It can function well in the current tier shift given the current abundance of psychic types and lack of dark types within the tier. Steel/Psychic typing lets Bronzor resist both of Musharna's attacks and double resist its stab. Bronzor can then force Musharna out or deliver a fatal Toxic. Bronzor's Steel typing also prevents Synchronize from activating after using Toxic. It should be noted that Bronzor has virtually no attacking power and can become taunt bait. Nonetheless, Bronzor is indeed a true counter.
+6 8 SpA Musharna Moonblast vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Eviolite Bronzor: 76-90 (23.8 - 28.3%) -- 96.2% chance to 4HKO
As you can see, even +6 Musharna fails to deliver a 3HKO
0 SpA Bronzor Psychic vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Falinks: 104-126 (38.3 - 46.4%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
Just for the lols here's a Psychic calc for Falinks
As you can see, even +6 Musharna fails to deliver a 3HKO
0 SpA Bronzor Psychic vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Falinks: 104-126 (38.3 - 46.4%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
Just for the lols here's a Psychic calc for Falinks
(As a side note this set functioned a lot more effectively in gen 7 when Psywave was still a legal move. Smh gamefreak, what were you thinking?)
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nominating sliggoo as a defensive counter.
Sliggoo @ Eviolite
Ability: Sap Sipper
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Infestation
- Toxic
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
while it is weak to Moonblast, it can still take it pretty well and stall it out with chip from infestation+toxic while using rest talk when it is low health.
calcs:
8 SpA Musharna Moonblast vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Eviolite Sliggoo: 66-78 (19.4 - 22.9%) -- possible 5HKO
+1 8 SpA Musharna Moonblast vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Eviolite Sliggoo: 98-116 (28.8 - 34.1%) -- 1.6% chance to 3HKO
+2 8 SpA Musharna Moonblast vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Eviolite Sliggoo: 130-154 (38.2 - 45.2%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
+3 8 SpA Musharna Moonblast vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Eviolite Sliggoo: 160-190 (47 - 55.8%) -- 78.5% chance to 2HKO
+4 8 SpA Musharna Moonblast vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Eviolite Sliggoo: 192-228 (56.4 - 67%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+5 8 SpA Musharna Moonblast vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Eviolite Sliggoo: 226-266 (66.4 - 78.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+6 8 SpA Musharna Moonblast vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Eviolite Sliggoo: 258-304 (75.8 - 89.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Sliggoo @ Eviolite
Ability: Sap Sipper
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Infestation
- Toxic
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
while it is weak to Moonblast, it can still take it pretty well and stall it out with chip from infestation+toxic while using rest talk when it is low health.
calcs:
8 SpA Musharna Moonblast vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Eviolite Sliggoo: 66-78 (19.4 - 22.9%) -- possible 5HKO
+1 8 SpA Musharna Moonblast vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Eviolite Sliggoo: 98-116 (28.8 - 34.1%) -- 1.6% chance to 3HKO
+2 8 SpA Musharna Moonblast vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Eviolite Sliggoo: 130-154 (38.2 - 45.2%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
+3 8 SpA Musharna Moonblast vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Eviolite Sliggoo: 160-190 (47 - 55.8%) -- 78.5% chance to 2HKO
+4 8 SpA Musharna Moonblast vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Eviolite Sliggoo: 192-228 (56.4 - 67%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+5 8 SpA Musharna Moonblast vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Eviolite Sliggoo: 226-266 (66.4 - 78.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+6 8 SpA Musharna Moonblast vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Eviolite Sliggoo: 258-304 (75.8 - 89.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO