Actually I think species was going to tell me to change my vote to rad but I didn't wake up before the deadline. So technically it would never have tied even if laurel had voted for me.
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Survivor Stupid Survivor: Season One FINAL TRIBAL COUNCIL
- Thread starter apricity
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Man as fun as this game has been to watch I wish I didn’t go out as early as I did :/
Idk man, the way I see it is that celever had a better pre merge and even then we're only giving him credit for the rad vote, and even that is sketchy because he relied on species.
Post merge I don't see how his game was better than ali's at all, literally all his allies wanted to drag him to endgame as their goat and had more social influence than him which they exercised. At least ali stuck his neck out to vote out laurel at 6 even with the big chance of backfire, showing at least some intent in playing for a better ftc position, whereas celever just feels like the passive guy that let everyone else do all the hard work for him and then he gets to sit here at the ftc.
The only reason why ali wasn't considered being dragged as a goat to the end by whydon/species is literally because laurel had beef with him because he thought he was an eimmer who wasn't even in the game lol. I'm very confident that under different alliance circumstances ali gets dragged into to the end just like celever, so I don't see what cel does here as special.
Post merge I don't see how his game was better than ali's at all, literally all his allies wanted to drag him to endgame as their goat and had more social influence than him which they exercised. At least ali stuck his neck out to vote out laurel at 6 even with the big chance of backfire, showing at least some intent in playing for a better ftc position, whereas celever just feels like the passive guy that let everyone else do all the hard work for him and then he gets to sit here at the ftc.
The only reason why ali wasn't considered being dragged as a goat to the end by whydon/species is literally because laurel had beef with him because he thought he was an eimmer who wasn't even in the game lol. I'm very confident that under different alliance circumstances ali gets dragged into to the end just like celever, so I don't see what cel does here as special.
Celever alimdia Ok real question, what is the one move/vote/narrative that you spun that you think is the game winning move?
And to celever: Can you tell me what edge did you think you had over species/whydon/laurel that made you think that bringing all of them into f5 was a good idea? The chances of one of them making it to ftc become very high, and they all either edge you out on challenge performance or the social performance. Since you seem to be very confident in other aspects of your game to not perform well at all in most of the challenges, can you show me which were the key strategic and social aspects of your game that are separate from those of whydon/laurel/species?
And to celever: Can you tell me what edge did you think you had over species/whydon/laurel that made you think that bringing all of them into f5 was a good idea? The chances of one of them making it to ftc become very high, and they all either edge you out on challenge performance or the social performance. Since you seem to be very confident in other aspects of your game to not perform well at all in most of the challenges, can you show me which were the key strategic and social aspects of your game that are separate from those of whydon/laurel/species?
Probably the F5 greatest heist move. There was easily no reason I should have survived that vote without immunity.
I know people shit on me for trying to protect Joe at F6, but Joe was an integral part of making this vote, since I couldn't directly tell Cel about the species 2:2:1 plan, whereas Joe saying it to Cel made it much more legit.
alimdia Celever
Congratulations to both of you for making to the end! I'm happy for you but then this FTC has been like meh.
Anyway, let me preface this by saying that I enjoyed playing the game with you both for the most part and nothing I write here is to be taken personally but strictly about your gameplay or lack thereof in $tupid $urvivor.
Sadly I couldn't vote for the person I was rooting for to win - Whydon and now I am really struggling to decide who I would want to vote for here. So I hope you can answer my questions truthfully.
Alimdia, my timezone buddy, at final 6 you said to me how you were a goat with literally zero successful plan up to that point. We all can agree on that, right? Why should you be rewarded with the win when you only stepped up in the late game?
Also I strongly disliked the tantrum you threw at me when you found out I didn't vote Laurel with you. Was it just you being emotional or was there any strategic reason behind being upset? Why did you feel entitled to me voting with you when I had tried to save you a few times prior to that and you had other allies that you had been working with?
Second point is on your "honesty" brand. How insulting was it to tell me you had always been honest when you made stupid lies that only Cel would buy? You posted the screenshot from the song mv as idol but claimed it's the idol that vig passed to tbz to pass to you. Like did you seriously think anyone of us would be stupid enough to believe in your illogical lies? That's clearly the merge idol you found and you won't have played the way you did if you had 2 idols to secure a spot in the final 4. Like why came up with such a stupid lie to me after laurel got idoled out by you? It's seriously very insulting that you would come up with such a stupid lie and thought I would believe it. Can you please tell me what other stupid lies you made that you thought other players would buy?
And then we have Celever. Mate, what were you thinking? I told you pretty much all of my thoughts using our chats as my confessionals. In our trio chat, Whydon and I talked about how there was no way Ali had another idol and if he had it there was no way he would have told us about their stupid 3-1-1 plan to try to drive us apart. You didn't even bother to say anything. Did you even read any of the messages I wrote there before you decided to ghost me and flip on me at Final 5? It's so ridiculous. We said how if anyone of us flipped there we're handling the win to either Ali or Joe. Tell me why that's not the case.
And like once you had decided to flip one me, you couldn't even at least give me a heads up prior to the deadline or to like at least check with me on your concerns about the lies Joe told you? Instead you chose to be a coward and blindsided me when you knew there was zero chance I had any idol.
Also I read that your plan was to cut me at Final 4 and go to the end with Whydon and Joe? You think you had a better chance beating those 2 jury favorites than beating me or Ali??? Based on what? I really would like to know.
I am not sure if I will be allowed or have time to ask more questions so I will put down others questions I have in mind for both of you to answer here:
Thank you both for taking your time to read and reply to my questions. Good luck!
Congratulations to both of you for making to the end! I'm happy for you but then this FTC has been like meh.
Anyway, let me preface this by saying that I enjoyed playing the game with you both for the most part and nothing I write here is to be taken personally but strictly about your gameplay or lack thereof in $tupid $urvivor.
Sadly I couldn't vote for the person I was rooting for to win - Whydon and now I am really struggling to decide who I would want to vote for here. So I hope you can answer my questions truthfully.
Alimdia, my timezone buddy, at final 6 you said to me how you were a goat with literally zero successful plan up to that point. We all can agree on that, right? Why should you be rewarded with the win when you only stepped up in the late game?
Also I strongly disliked the tantrum you threw at me when you found out I didn't vote Laurel with you. Was it just you being emotional or was there any strategic reason behind being upset? Why did you feel entitled to me voting with you when I had tried to save you a few times prior to that and you had other allies that you had been working with?
Second point is on your "honesty" brand. How insulting was it to tell me you had always been honest when you made stupid lies that only Cel would buy? You posted the screenshot from the song mv as idol but claimed it's the idol that vig passed to tbz to pass to you. Like did you seriously think anyone of us would be stupid enough to believe in your illogical lies? That's clearly the merge idol you found and you won't have played the way you did if you had 2 idols to secure a spot in the final 4. Like why came up with such a stupid lie to me after laurel got idoled out by you? It's seriously very insulting that you would come up with such a stupid lie and thought I would believe it. Can you please tell me what other stupid lies you made that you thought other players would buy?
And then we have Celever. Mate, what were you thinking? I told you pretty much all of my thoughts using our chats as my confessionals. In our trio chat, Whydon and I talked about how there was no way Ali had another idol and if he had it there was no way he would have told us about their stupid 3-1-1 plan to try to drive us apart. You didn't even bother to say anything. Did you even read any of the messages I wrote there before you decided to ghost me and flip on me at Final 5? It's so ridiculous. We said how if anyone of us flipped there we're handling the win to either Ali or Joe. Tell me why that's not the case.
And like once you had decided to flip one me, you couldn't even at least give me a heads up prior to the deadline or to like at least check with me on your concerns about the lies Joe told you? Instead you chose to be a coward and blindsided me when you knew there was zero chance I had any idol.
Also I read that your plan was to cut me at Final 4 and go to the end with Whydon and Joe? You think you had a better chance beating those 2 jury favorites than beating me or Ali??? Based on what? I really would like to know.
I am not sure if I will be allowed or have time to ask more questions so I will put down others questions I have in mind for both of you to answer here:
- Why should I NOT vote for you to win?
- How did you overcome the inconvenience caused by timezone difference, if any?
- I am a money man so I gotta ask, if you won the $100, how would you plan to spend it?
- We love speculating crazy stupid twists in this game don't we? What do you think the tie breaker would be if it's 3-3 here?
Thank you both for taking your time to read and reply to my questions. Good luck!
Hi $pecies,
At the final 6, I said that yes. It was mainly to lower my threat level. Keep in mind, this is before we knew about the F6 twist.
Yes, I have done relatively no moves compared to players like you, Joe, Texas, Laurel. However, because you guys are such visible threats, that is also why you guys are on the jury. There is a huge trade off between having lots of jury credit and making it to the end. You are a survivor fan, you know this to be true. It is a goat war at the end, and I just have to not be the biggest goat. Stepping up in the late game is definitely a valid strategy, and one that I believe I did quite well.
Regarding my tantrum at the F10 vote. There was a strategic element to it.
The way I see it, if it was a 4v1, a 3:1:1 split would be sufficient, why 2:2:1? (See how I exploited it in the final 5... an attempted 2:2:1 by Cel made it into a 2:3!)
If it was a 3v2, there is no amount of vote split that can prevent a correct idol play. So at first, I was telling the above to you.
I know you are a good strategic player, so you definitely knew about this. I was not satisfied with your explanation.
Let me tell you this. I'm not bitter. In unreal all stars, I was voted out by my ally at F3. I still voted for him to win. So I know when to say 'it's all good, nice move, well played after someone leaves me out of a vote'.
After I poked some holes in your reasoning, I can't just turn around and say 'Yeah, we're all good haha'. That would seem very unnatural and you are too good of a player to believe I suddenly forgive you for leaving me out of a vote so fast.
You'll think I am BSing. So I had to continue the upset act for a while. I don't feel entitled to your vote. However, I felt like you traded long term benefits (our trust) for some short term gains (blindside, big moves, flush Joe's idol)
Regarding my honesty brand, I searched in our 1:1s, and I don't think I claimed that. I notice you did say 'Don't come into FTC claiming you played an honest game'.
What I did say was that I was 'loyal'. I left out the part where my loyalty has an expiration date.
But you are right, I am not honest. You can't really win a game by being honest, unless you are relying on a bitter jury. You are additionally right - playing an honest game is easier than lying strategically.
So I lied my ass off strategically when needed. I can't even remember all of them, but off the top of my head: when you told me the idol clue "AND I MISS YOU :EYES:', at that point I had already found the idol, so I pretended to not have seen it.
I also didn't tell anyone when I found it. That was obviously exposed when I played the idol.
Regarding my idol lie at the F5. So what happened was that I had the following plan, mainly borne from desperation.
1) tell everyone I have another idol, the merge one and tbz's one
2) when questioned about the picture, tell them I played the wrong one.
Joe asked me so I told him 2). Unfortunately, you didn't ask me so I can't just randomly volunteer that info as it would look suspicious.
I also remembered that I told you in sydvivor, my ally and me made a fake idol at F5, so it was not really a high percentile plan I admit.
1) Why should I NOT vote for you to win?
If you want to award Cel your vote for being partners in crime most of the game.
2) How did you overcome the inconvenience caused by timezone difference, if any?
I woke up very early when the deadline was early, except that one time I accidentally self voted. I put more effort in socialising in the early and mid game because I have a smaller window of time to socialise with people.
3) I am a money man so I gotta ask, if you won the $100, how would you plan to spend it?
I would use it for prizes for my other ORGs that I host. So far my prizes have only been $5 and what not, and my friend Quinn had a $50 prize for one of his orgs.
4) We love speculating crazy stupid twists in this game don't we? What do you think the tie breaker would be if it's 3-3 here?
Nice question. Maybe the pre-jury or the spectators get 1 single vote. Maybe in true hal style, there is another challenge.
To cut in on your question to Cel, definitely Species you had the 2nd highest shot after Joe in the F5. He had to cut you at F4 at least but F5 was definitely bad lol.
Thanks for your answer Alimdia.
"If it was a 3v2, there is no amount of vote split that can prevent a correct idol play. So at first, I was telling the above to you."
I have explained it before it's not to prevent a correct idol play because as far as I was concerned I could care less if you or Laurel or Joe went home there as Cel and I were confident us two were not getting targeted. Under such setting, i did still prefer Joe to go home with an idol. I proposed to Cel to throw our votes at Joe. If he did play it like he said he would, he got to pick to vote you or Laurel out. Otherwise Cel and I could get him out in the re-vote. I hope you finally understand my explanation. Yes I didn't have your back here but I didn't lie when I said I wasn't voting you. Anyway it's a very fun round as we all had to think and act fast.
"If it was a 3v2, there is no amount of vote split that can prevent a correct idol play. So at first, I was telling the above to you."
I have explained it before it's not to prevent a correct idol play because as far as I was concerned I could care less if you or Laurel or Joe went home there as Cel and I were confident us two were not getting targeted. Under such setting, i did still prefer Joe to go home with an idol. I proposed to Cel to throw our votes at Joe. If he did play it like he said he would, he got to pick to vote you or Laurel out. Otherwise Cel and I could get him out in the re-vote. I hope you finally understand my explanation. Yes I didn't have your back here but I didn't lie when I said I wasn't voting you. Anyway it's a very fun round as we all had to think and act fast.
"Regarding my tantrum at the F10 vote. There was a strategic element to it."
Lol can you elaborate on it more? Like at Final 10 you already knew we were going to make it to Final 5 and you could use the 2-2-1 as a way to indirectly get Cel to vote me out?
Lol can you elaborate on it more? Like at Final 10 you already knew we were going to make it to Final 5 and you could use the 2-2-1 as a way to indirectly get Cel to vote me out?
Exactly, you didn't care if I went home or not. You see why I was dodgy after that?
We know you don't have to vote for someone to get them eliminated, so you just saying 'yea but I didn't vote you', I still think 'okay but you don't care if I go home'
It was still a great move, just not for my heart haha
Nah strategic element was :
The way I see it, if it was a 4v1, a 3:1:1 split would be sufficient, why 2:2:1? (See how I exploited it in the final 5... an attempted 2:2:1 by Cel made it into a 2:3!)
If it was a 3v2, there is no amount of vote split that can prevent a correct idol play. So at first, I was telling the above to you.
I know you are a good strategic player, so you definitely knew about this. I was not satisfied with your explanation.
After I poked some holes in your reasoning, I can't just turn around and say 'Yeah, we're all good haha'. That would seem very unnatural and you are too good of a player to believe I suddenly forgive you for leaving me out of a vote so fast.
You'll think I am BSing. So I had to continue the upset act for a while.
Only at F5 did I get inspiration from the F10 round to pull that BS
rad pblade marth dle whydon vooper etc
now isnt really your time to sass me kthx
obviously it was an accident you can read up in jury chat and see my confessional after the game
rad - I never allied with them in EIMM, only talked to them when I ally with shadoweh and rad happened to be her hydra partner
pblade - ??? I don't even know them
marth - they killed me in anon EIMM
dle - ??? I... don't know them...
whydon - lol whydon please come here and defend me. All we did was me stab you in an eimm game before this game.
vooper - ok yeah I know vooper but he snakes me all the time.
So only vooper and tbz I can call 'friends', the others are like we talked 1 time in an EIMM game before this game.
the only time i'd ever interacted with alimdia prior to this was in that trio eimm where ali was on schia's team lol
Ali, when did you self vote? I don't remember you did lol.
I probably won't be around later for the live reunion . Good luck to the both of you.
Sorry for being AWOL briefly. Life screwed me hard, we tryna damage control haha.
My focus this season was getting to the end. I didn't worry about making big moves along the way because just through talking and making plans with people, those big moves weren't necessary. Where they did happen (the RAD vote which put me in danger, for instance) they were successful.
The game winning narrative for me was that unlike Ali I hid that I was allied to everyone, and they hid it too. I was seen as the other side's (Joe / Texas) ace in the hole by that other side, kept around by them until my vote weight mattered most. And I was seen as the individual ace in the hole of my allies, who thought I would do exactly the same and side with them when it mattered most. I was at the top of everyone's allegiances and in everyone's plans, and I know that the consensus seems to be that this was because I was seen as a goat to take to the end, but I laid the groundwork for this when I wasn't seen as such at all. My game was forging strong connections with everyone that were respected and valued in-game by those people to the point where I was never found out. Ali was at the bottom of everyone's plans because they were seen as unreliable, and that isn't just because of Laurel thinking he was the other Ali.
My focus this season was getting to the end. I didn't worry about making big moves along the way because just through talking and making plans with people, those big moves weren't necessary. Where they did happen (the RAD vote which put me in danger, for instance) they were successful.
I thought my arc of having a lot of heat in the pre-merge to almost none in the post-merge was a USP that quantified my strength this season socially. TBH I didn't know how much was happening behind the scenes from Whydon and Species and underestimated the strength of their games, and I'll readily admit that. I thought I was fairly level with those two socially. Wanting to keep Laurel around was a little more heart- than head-based, but the meta I'm used to is that social game means more in the jury vote than challenge ability, and Laurel certainly didn't temper his target level. Managing to play an under the radar game is a big selling point on my home site, and a strong under the radar game usually beats a challenge beast in the final vote.
I apologise for not discussing the move with you there. I didn't see you online after my decision to flip had been made, else I would have at least had a chat. I understand this is a weak excuse, though.
I didn't buy their idol gambit particularly, and did read those messages. I didn't move my vote there because of the idol, really. However, the potential of that idol play combined with me still believing a F3 was upcoming meant that taking you out earlier was a decent move for my endgame plans. I thought my chances of winning in a F3 with you < my chances of beating Ali in a jury vote due to the spoiler effect duos often have on each other in F3s (which is why I dislike F3s) so on the off-chance you won immunity in F4, it did make sense to take you out there. Talking with Joe prompted the realisation in general because we talked about more than Ali's idol -- I was openly skeptical toward Joe that the idol existed -- so I credit Joe with that vote. I don't credit Ali at all, it was the rest of the conversation that saved Ali and that bit wasn't what they had planned with each other.
With that said, you're accredited with the gambits we pulled off together and had more jury cred than me because of it. Hindsight with knowledge of the site's big move meta proves that true. So it was definitely the right call.
I didn't pull off a lot of big moves, and where I did I let others take the credit for it. My under the radar self-pres game doesn't hold loads of jury cred on this jury, it seems, and so Ali comping out at the end is a more tangibly "hey look here's something I did" than my game of forging social bonds and riding on them. If those are the metrics of your jury vote, it's fine if it goes to Ali. Though I personally don't think challenge wins are a great reason for someone to win, and it's about what you do with the social influence offered by those immunities. If you're relying on challenges to get to the end, your social game is flawed somewhere.
Timezone didn't affect my game too much, because I have a pretty late sleep schedule when I don't have college (which COVID cancelled). I was pretty much playing on American hours -- sleep late in the night and rise late in the day -- so I was around for the most part. There were some days I missed due to irl commitments, however, and some of those seem to have come back to haunt me such as being AWOL during Texas' vote.
My original plan was to use it to fund some essentials I will need at uni. Now that I may not be going (thanks Government ly xoxo) it's more up in the air, but we recently booked a lad's holiday to Amsterdam and it would basically reimburse me for the costs of my flights and accommodation. So I'd call it paying for my holiday!
I hope it's not total votes cast against you in the game LOL. Or "draw 5 cards". Personally I think it might be host pick, where rssp, Divya and Hal all vote in a 3-person vote for who they'd like to win. If it's not that then it should be, would be a pretty fun twist imo.
Closing Statements
I kinda said this at the start of my opening statement, but this is bar none my favourite ORG I've played in (regardless of the results, it still easily beats my win even if I come second). Vanilla seasons are boring and so Stupid Survivor has been a great ride to experience, and I've truly enjoyed the cast. Just talking with y'all about things outside of the game was really nice, and strategising with you all about the game was also a lot of fun. This was an involved season with a lot of talking and some high level gameplay, so it's been a great experience.
I kinda said this at the start of my opening statement, but this is bar none my favourite ORG I've played in (regardless of the results, it still easily beats my win even if I come second). Vanilla seasons are boring and so Stupid Survivor has been a great ride to experience, and I've truly enjoyed the cast. Just talking with y'all about things outside of the game was really nice, and strategising with you all about the game was also a lot of fun. This was an involved season with a lot of talking and some high level gameplay, so it's been a great experience.