Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion v4

Cyber-DJ said:
This is the most blursed thing ever. I might lowkey use this
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Nah. Phys Def Infernape is the new blursed crack

WUKONG SUPREMACY (Infernape) @ Leftovers
Ability: Blaze
Tera Type: Dragon
EVs: 252 HP / 80 Def / 176 Spe
Timid Nature
- Flamethrower
- U-turn
- Will-O-Wisp
- Slack Off

enough evs to outspeed crown, and put rest in bulk. Sorta decent into gambit.
 
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RainebowValiant said:
Broke: tinkaton is bad because it does nothing outside of check garg and loses to moth!@

Woke: tinkaton is bad because she's mean to corviknight

Okay but fr tink is similar to clef rn. Clef has worse typing and stats in exchange for eating Knock and having recovery, and they're otherwise similar. They're both solid, though. I just personally prefer clef because I like bulky hazard stack.
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Why is Corviknight letting herself get bullied by a Pokemon she walls? Is she stupid?
 
viivian said:
Why is Corviknight letting herself get bullied by a Pokemon she walls? Is she stupid?
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To be fair Corv does NOTHING into tink. Twave is brutal, it can't defog or Idefense or roost because of encore, and it gets chipped away by gigaton.

Has anyone here tried Gigaton + Ice Hammer + Knock tink? Nukes Scor and Clef and bullies Corv. Not great but probably viable and funny!
 
thoughts on shifts because why not
-unlike apparently everybody else im not in love with tink. this mon just needs more. It's hard to fit all the moves you want (twave knock gigaton rocks ice hammer encore), and ur almost forced into running air balloon bc of 8 fucking ground types which i find personally very limiting. It wants to run speed hp attack and defenses all at the same time. although it's not exactly the same as tink i prefer using av hatt for my utility fairy, as future sight + psynoise + nuzzle + mfire/dkiss is good utility while also not dying to tusk/scor. also gamefreak you fuckers 1 speed point below gliscor is wild-

-unlike tink, sinistcha is my GOAT. this guy casually checks every physical attacker, INCLUDING the broken sd scor, spinblocks tusk, acts as a wincon, spams giga drain + scald in one move, makes zama into fodder, and probably does my taxes for me idk. i think most people understand its defensive utility by now, but i think people underestimate how well it does as a wincon, bc +1 shadow ball hits things harder than you'd think, and u troll physical attackers so hard its not even funny. why this is uu and meow is ou is beyond me.

-pecharunt: sinistcha if it lost to everything. more physically bulky and has parting shot but loses calm mind and gains abt 200 weaknesses. overreliance on air balloon again bc u get into awkward situations where u want to not have ur item to actually beat knock off but u cant afford to be weak to ground.

-weav: I used to be a big weav believer, bc dark/ice is insane coverage, but i actually tried it and it feels... just ok. dark/ice IS amazing coverage don't get me wrong, and having STAB on ur knock is cool, but it struggles to punish defensive cores without significant hazard support, the pool of things that outspeed it has only grown, and its a little bit weak. the amount of times i have done 80% to ghold/kyurem/hamurott and then died is almost comical. also has very minor 4mss, bc it wants low kick and ice shard and swords dance for its last 2 slots. it also hates tera, so u cant even really use it to kill dnite or bolt bc woops, they terad, are at 50%, and now ohko you with their priority, ain't that fun. it's still ok- a knock user that actively punishes gliscor is always going to be ok- but it certainly isn't top tier anymore.

other mons i either have no thoughts about or haven't tried out enough.
 
Just A Shroom God said:
thoughts on shifts because why not
-unlike apparently everybody else im not in love with tink. this mon just needs more. It's hard to fit all the moves you want (twave knock gigaton rocks ice hammer encore), and ur almost forced into running air balloon bc of 8 fucking ground types which i find personally very limiting. It wants to run speed hp attack and defenses all at the same time. although it's not exactly the same as tink i prefer using av hatt for my utility fairy, as future sight + psynoise + nuzzle + mfire/dkiss is good utility while also not dying to tusk/scor. also gamefreak you fuckers 1 speed point below gliscor is wild-

-unlike tink, sinistcha is my GOAT. this guy casually checks every physical attacker, INCLUDING the broken sd scor, spinblocks tusk, acts as a wincon, spams giga drain + scald in one move, makes zama into fodder, and probably does my taxes for me idk. i think most people understand its defensive utility by now, but i think people underestimate how well it does as a wincon, bc +1 shadow ball hits things harder than you'd think, and u troll physical attackers so hard its not even funny. why this is uu and meow is ou is beyond me.

-pecharunt: sinistcha if it lost to everything. more physically bulky and has parting shot but loses calm mind and gains abt 200 weaknesses. overreliance on air balloon again bc u get into awkward situations where u want to not have ur item to actually beat knock off but u cant afford to be weak to ground.

-weav: I used to be a big weav believer, bc dark/ice is insane coverage, but i actually tried it and it feels... just ok. dark/ice IS amazing coverage don't get me wrong, and having STAB on ur knock is cool, but it struggles to punish defensive cores without significant hazard support, the pool of things that outspeed it has only grown, and its a little bit weak. the amount of times i have done 80% to ghold/kyurem/hamurott and then died is almost comical. also has very minor 4mss, bc it wants low kick and ice shard and swords dance for its last 2 slots. it also hates tera, so u cant even really use it to kill dnite or bolt bc woops, they terad, are at 50%, and now ohko you with their priority, ain't that fun. it's still ok- a knock user that actively punishes gliscor is always going to be ok- but it certainly isn't top tier anymore.

other mons i either have no thoughts about or haven't tried out enough.
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I think SD Weavile is fake. What are you clicking SD on? A switch? Lmao.
 
4 attacks weavile is by FAR the best weavile right now. And it's honestly great. Weavile is arguably the single best Knock Off user on Bulky Hazard Stack.

Darkrai is good but has a pitifully weak Knock and is taken advantage of HARD by bulky mons like spdef Corv who abuse its mediocre ability to dish out damage due to dark pulse's 80 BP.

SD Scor is good but it doesn't resist Ghost + Dark, it's slow, and it wants to run Spikes on a BHS anyways.

Weavile is as fast as Darkrai (faster than meow which is huge), has priority which is hard to fit on BHS teams, has a nuclear Knock into STAB Triple Axel, and resists Dark and Ghost even if it's frail.

Weavile can be argued to be the best BHS Knocker. Darkrai, SD Scor, and Meow are other candidates, but I think Weavile is the best. That's its main niche, as the single best mon in the tier at purely getting items removed.
 
I am the biggest Choice Scarf hater on this entire forum but given how Meow is usually run I wonder if Choice Scarf Weavile may have some merit with

Tera Poison/Fire/Electric
Knock Off
Triple Axel
Poison Jab
Low Kick

The speed boost eliminates the need for Ice Shard and Poison Jab gets the jump on every Fairy in the tier. In an emergency, you can get a guaranteed Leftovers removal on Z*mazenta. Tera Poison boosts Poison Jab and allows you to force out Corv and Skarm if you locked into Triple Axel due to the Body Press resistance while Tera Fire handles Moltres and Fraudirge and Tera Electric handles Zapdos, Stinkaton, and TWave Clef. Tera Blaster 9000 can be run over either coverage move, but I wouldn’t recommend it. Only thing you can’t do is do U-Turn bullying like Meowscarada can.
 
Seraphyde said:
I am the biggest Choice Scarf hater on this entire forum but given how Meow is usually run I wonder if Choice Scarf Weavile may have some merit with

Tera Poison/Fire/Electric
Knock Off
Triple Axel
Poison Jab
Low Kick

The speed boost eliminates the need for Ice Shard and Poison Jab gets the jump on every Fairy in the tier. In an emergency, you can get a guaranteed Leftovers removal on Z*mazenta. Tera Poison boosts Poison Jab and allows you to force out Corv and Skarm if you locked into Triple Axel due to the Body Press resistance while Tera Fire handles Moltres and Fraudirge and Tera Electric handles Zapdos, Stinkaton, and TWave Clef. Tera Blaster 9000 can be run over either coverage move, but I wouldn’t recommend it. Only thing you can’t do is do U-Turn bullying like Meowscarada can.
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how on earth does tera poison weavile do anything to corv skarm lol

so what if you dont get ohkod by bpress, you are still walled to shit and die to helmet if you axeled, let skarm get 8 layers of spikes on you or let corv just uturn on you. if you REALLY want to beat skarm corv scarf tera poison isnt it

also nobody is switching in moltres or dirge into weavile for them to get knocked lol, getting both knocked is horrendous if you havent tera'd them
please dont run scarf weavile, if you want to run weavile run sd
 
RainebowValiant said:
-Scizor. Have you guys tried this mon? It's insane. Turns every single 30% mon into a dead mon in the endgame. Hard to fit, but great on offense. Scizor for OU.
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I have tried it and I agree that it is a really solid pokemon. Good way to check non physical kyurem sets (aka sets that don't tera) as well as mons like garcancl dragonite (bullet punch go brrrrr and resists extreme speed) and plenty of others that I am not thinking of rn. Scizor for ou bruh
 
Seraphyde said:
I am the biggest Choice Scarf hater on this entire forum but given how Meow is usually run I wonder if Choice Scarf Weavile may have some merit with

Tera Poison/Fire/Electric
Knock Off
Triple Axel
Poison Jab
Low Kick

The speed boost eliminates the need for Ice Shard and Poison Jab gets the jump on every Fairy in the tier. In an emergency, you can get a guaranteed Leftovers removal on Z*mazenta. Tera Poison boosts Poison Jab and allows you to force out Corv and Skarm if you locked into Triple Axel due to the Body Press resistance while Tera Fire handles Moltres and Fraudirge and Tera Electric handles Zapdos, Stinkaton, and TWave Clef. Tera Blaster 9000 can be run over either coverage move, but I wouldn’t recommend it. Only thing you can’t do is do U-Turn bullying like Meowscarada can.
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I can't tell if this is a joke but you constantly make low-quality posts about fake sets so I'm going to take you seriously.

First of all, Weavile is rocks-weak and therefore a really bad idea to slap a scarf on.

Secondly, Weavile has priority AND already outspeeds nearly the entire metagame, so the only mon you actually get the jump on is Dragapult (and deo-s ig but that gets surprisingly low usage) who you already hit with Ice Shard.

Thirdly, you don't beat Skarm and Corv with Tera Poison. They either have helm or click Iron Defense or both, and you get hard walled and die both times.

Poison Jab is also a really bad coverage move. What fairies do you hit? Hatterene, Clefable, Iron Valiant (who outspeeds you btw)? Those three? None of them are switching into Axel anyways.

In summary, your post is low-quality and the set you gave is completely useless in nearly every scenario except if you get matched into a team with deo-s and insufficient ways to counter Weavile other than superpower deo-s.
 
burstslinky said:
how on earth does tera poison weavile do anything to corv skarm lol

so what if you dont get ohkod by bpress, you are still walled to shit and die to helmet if you axeled, let skarm get 8 layers of spikes on you or let corv just uturn on you. if you REALLY want to beat skarm corv scarf tera poison isnt it

also nobody is switching in moltres or dirge into weavile for them to get knocked lol, getting both knocked is horrendous if you havent tera'd them
please dont run scarf weavile, if you want to run weavile run sd
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Slight correction: not from full health, only with sizeable prior chip, assuming that they get greedy and click Body Press
Also, like the other guy said, you basically have no opportunities to actually SD. It’s simply too frail to ever set up.
RainebowValiant said:
I can't tell if this is a joke but you constantly make low-quality posts about fake sets so I'm going to take you seriously.

First of all, Weavile is rocks-weak and therefore a really bad idea to slap a scarf on.

Secondly, Weavile has priority AND already outspeeds nearly the entire metagame, so the only mon you actually get the jump on is Dragapult (and deo-s ig but that gets surprisingly low usage) who you already hit with Ice Shard.

Thirdly, you don't beat Skarm and Corv with Tera Poison. They either have helm or click Iron Defense or both, and you get hard walled and die both times.

Poison Jab is also a really bad coverage move. What fairies do you hit? Hatterene, Clefable, Iron Valiant (who outspeeds you btw)? Those three? None of them are switching into Axel anyways.

In summary, your post is low-quality and the set you gave is completely useless in nearly every scenario except if you get matched into a team with deo-s and insufficient ways to counter Weavile other than superpower deo-s.
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Honestly, I’ve been spamming boots for so long that I genuinely forgot that Weavile is weak to rocks. However, you neglected to realize that with Scarf, Weavile outspeeds boosted Ival, which is the main target. But yeah, kind of a useless set now that you think about it, mostly just relies on the element of surprise

british narrator voice "The set did not, in fact, have merit."
shoutout to the guy who once said that I run six choice mons
 
UltraSword said:
I have tried it and I agree that it is a really solid pokemon. Good way to check non physical kyurem sets (aka sets that don't tera) as well as mons like garcancl dragonite (bullet punch go brrrrr and resists extreme speed) and plenty of others that I am not thinking of rn. Scizor for ou bruh
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Makes me wish GF never removed Roost from it's arsenal. Doing my goat dirty like this...
 
Seraphyde said:
Slight correction: not from full health, only with sizeable prior chip, assuming that they get greedy and click Body Press
Also, like the other guy said, you basically have no opportunities to actually SD. It’s simply too frail to ever set up.

Honestly, I’ve been spamming boots for so long that I genuinely forgot that Weavile is weak to rocks. However, you neglected to realize that with Scarf, Weavile outspeeds boosted Ival, which is the main target. But yeah, kind of a useless set now that you think about it, mostly just relies on the element of surprise

british narrator voice "The set did not, in fact, have merit."
shoutout to the guy who once said that I run six choice mons
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no opportunities? if you playing into ho maybe, but bulkier structures you sure as shit have opportunities (note: i dont actually think sd weavile is good, i think bro is a complete burger flipper, but it sure as shit is better than scarf)

so for scarf weavile to actually catch a val you need to pray to god they make a complete ass play and hard switch their frail fairy into a weavile (not happening) or try to revenge which immediately lets in another giga threat set up for free (like gambit)
 
Opinions on Pecharunt in OU? It's likely going to rise and I wanna know opinions. Best sets, checks, counters, niche options, that kind of stuff. I don't use pecharunt too much so I'd love to hear some stuff!
 
RainebowValiant said:
Opinions on Pecharunt in OU? It's likely going to rise and I wanna know opinions. Best sets, checks, counters, niche options, that kind of stuff. I don't use pecharunt too much so I'd love to hear some stuff!
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Pecharunt fell off in OU because it just can't break any steel types. Kingambit is still just as popular and that's a huge reason why it was hard to use. Corv still hard walls him and so does more or less every steel in the tier. Even Kyurem can tera steel in front of him (not like he'd really lose in the first place).
If Pecharunt had something like body press or earth power it might be more usable, but it really doesn't.
Not to mention the thing's gameplan is pretty simple and predictable. It's too weak special side to forgo a boosting move like nasty plot (i'm not sure whether it gets CM) and it pretty much always runs its signature move plus either hex or shadow ball depending on how focused it is on spreading toxic (generally shadow ball from what i've seen).

TL;DR Pecharunt can't win against any steel types (especially kingambit) and is way too predictable to be that good in OU.
 
RainWaiv said:
Pecharunt fell off in OU because it just can't break any steel types. Kingambit is still just as popular and that's a huge reason why it was hard to use. Corv still hard walls him and so does more or less every steel in the tier. Even Kyurem can tera steel in front of him (not like he'd really lose in the first place).
If Pecharunt had something like body press or earth power it might be more usable, but it really doesn't.
Not to mention the thing's gameplan is pretty simple and predictable. It's too weak special side to forgo a boosting move like nasty plot (i'm not sure whether it gets CM) and it pretty much always runs its signature move plus either hex or shadow ball depending on how focused it is on spreading toxic (generally shadow ball from what i've seen).

TL;DR Pecharunt can't win against any steel types (especially kingambit) and is way too predictable to be that good in OU.
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The main arguments I've seen justifying Pecharunt are about the Parting Shot sets. These sets can Parting against Gambit, Crown, and Tink, wall Corv/Skarm, and hit Ghold (and crown) with Shadow Ball. Idk if it's any good, but idt NP is the main set people are using.
 
RainebowValiant said:
Opinions on Pecharunt in OU? It's likely going to rise and I wanna know opinions. Best sets, checks, counters, niche options, that kind of stuff. I don't use pecharunt too much so I'd love to hear some stuff!
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I always knew this mon would be good. Parting Shot is a busted move and lets this Pokemon have very easy synergies with other Pokemon like setup sweepers (Kingambit, Ogerpon-W, Samurott-H, etc), and even support Pokemon like Hatterene, which appreciates the extra help to better switch into, or Lando-T. Combo of Pecha + Lando-T halves the attack of any mon, which is solid vs many Pokemon like Kingambit or Great Tusk. The supposed issue of being stonewalled by Kingambit or Ting-Lu was always cap in practice because you can easily parting on these guys and turn the table by sending whatever mon gets free setup. Malignant Chain + Tera Fairy also lets this mon cheese past a lot of Pokemon with its high defense, like Roaring Moon. If Gliscor is banned, then this Pokemon's stocks rise to the moon.

Broadly speaking, this Pokemon's statline is very similar to Garganacl, with it having a similar DoT attack in Malignant chain, but it trades the OPness of Salt Cure for Parting Shot and a better base typing.

I really like this Pokemon on Dark Spam with Pokemon like Hoopa-U, Samurott-H, and Kingambit, as this Pokemon stone walls these guy's main checks being Fighting and Fairy-types like Zama and Clefable. Samurott-H IMO is the perfect partner since Pecha can F-up almost every single remover barring Treads. It forces a 50/50 on Tusk + outspeed -> Parting Shot to lower its threat level into a more reliable check. SD Scor is also a pretty valid partner, given that its annoyed by Zamazenta.

I'm still a fan of max speed on this mon to get the clutch parting shot on Great Tusk or extra chip on Gholdengo, but max def that players are running also makes sense with how difficult Ogerpon-W can be to answer. I also think this Pokemon is one of the better Rocky Helmet users in the tier because of its insane defense, letting it make very easy progress vs many attackers or on predicted U-turns from Pokemon like Corviknight.
 
Magcargo said:
I always knew this mon would be good. Parting Shot is a busted move and lets this Pokemon have very easy synergies with other Pokemon like setup sweepers (Kingambit, Ogerpon-W, Samurott-H, etc), and even support Pokemon like Hatterene, which appreciates the extra help to better switch into, or Lando-T. Combo of Pecha + Lando-T halves the attack of any mon, which is solid vs many Pokemon like Kingambit or Great Tusk. The supposed issue of being stonewalled by Kingambit or Ting-Lu was always cap in practice because you can easily parting on these guys and turn the table by sending whatever mon gets free setup. Malignant Chain + Tera Fairy also lets this mon cheese past a lot of Pokemon with its high defense, like Roaring Moon. If Gliscor is banned, then this Pokemon's stocks rise to the moon.

Broadly speaking, this Pokemon's statline is very similar to Garganacl, with it having a similar DoT attack in Malignant chain, but it trades the OPness of Salt Cure for Parting Shot and a better base typing.

I really like this Pokemon on Dark Spam with Pokemon like Hoopa-U, Samurott-H, and Kingambit, as this Pokemon stone walls these guy's main checks being Fighting and Fairy-types like Zama and Clefable. Samurott-H IMO is the perfect partner since Pecha can F-up almost every single remover barring Treads. It forces a 50/50 on Tusk + outspeed -> Parting Shot to lower its threat level into a more reliable check. SD Scor is also a pretty valid partner, given that its annoyed by Zamazenta.

I'm still a fan of max speed on this mon to get the clutch parting shot on Great Tusk or extra chip on Gholdengo, but max def that players are running also makes sense with how difficult Ogerpon-W can be to answer. I also think this Pokemon is one of the better Rocky Helmet users in the tier because of its insane defense, letting it make very easy progress vs many attackers or on predicted U-turns from Pokemon like Corviknight.
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You know speaking of parting shot I always found it funny how if you use it on a magic bounce pokemon it just switches said magic bounce mon out and gives the parting shot user the debuff lol (parting shot more like you played yourself shot)
 
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