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Hello everyone! We are having our first post-release community survey, focused on the new december meta.

Anyone with Smogon account may respond and we will be taking a particularly close look on those who have experience on the ladder or in tournaments. We will keep this open through 5:00 AM GMT-5 of Sunday, December 9th, but the council will be reading responses as they come in to potentially act sooner, so respond when possible. It only takes a few minutes to respond, so please do so if you are invested in our metagame!

HERE is the first ever SV Ubers UU tiering survey. Please respond!

And thank you all for a great first few weeks of gameplay!
 
Hello everyone! We are having our second community survey, focused on the new Indigo Disk meta.

Anyone with Smogon account may respond and we will be taking a particularly close look on those who have experience on the ladder or in tournaments. We will keep this open through 5:00 AM GMT-5 of Saturday, January 13th, but the council will be reading responses as they come in to potentially act sooner, so respond when possible. It only takes a few minutes to respond, so please do so if you are invested in our metagame!

HERE is the January 2024 SV Ubers UU tiering survey. Please respond!
 
Hello everyone! We are having our third community survey, focused on the february, Post-NDW meta.

Anyone with Smogon account may respond and we will be taking a particularly close look on those who have experience on the ladder or in tournaments. We will keep this open through 12:00 AM GMT of Thursday, February 22nd, but the council will be reading responses as they come in to potentially act sooner, so respond when possible. It only takes a few minutes to respond, so please do so if you are invested in our metagame!
HERE is the February 2024 SV Ubers UU tiering survey. Please respond!
 
Hello everyone, I wanted to share the results of the February Survey

On a scale from 1-5, how enjoyable do you find this metagame?
Everyone: 4.10
Qualified: 4.28

I am glad that you are enjoying the metagame, and I hope it can continue to grow from here! More tournaments will come out soon, I hope you look forward to it!

On a scale from 1-5, how balanced to you find this metagame?
Everyone: 3.55
Qualified: 3.67

This balance score is around okay. It doesn’t say the metagame is super balanced but it doesn’t say its super broken either.

On a scale from 1-5, how banworthy do you believe Arceus-Fire is?
Everyone: 3.83
Qualified: 4.11

:Arceus-Fire: This is the big one. This result is incredibly high compared to everything else, as you will see. This resulted in it getting voted on and getting quickbanned, which I am personally really glad, as Arceus-Fire's counterplay was really limited.

On a scale from 1-5, how banworthy do you believe Arceus-Electric is?
Everyone: 2.35
Qualified: 2.44

:Arceus-Electric: Arceus-Electric is a tricky one. Because it is kind of mid but at the same time it is incredible in certain matchups. I think this needs more time, especially considering the opportunity cost of running electric went down since Arc-Fire got banned

On a scale from 1-5, how banworthy do you believe Mewtwo is?
Everyone: 2.48
Qualified: 2.56

:Mewtwo: Another kind of tricky one. I personally think Mewtwo is a bit overrated, but still incredibly strong. This result does say its about average in terms of brokenness, which is to be expected of the ultimate life form.

On a scale from 1-5, how banworthy do you believe Palkia-Origin is?
Everyone: 2.55
Qualified: 2.39

:Palkia-Origin: This result is a bit too low in my opinion, since Palkia-O is incredibly hard to switch into in teambuilding. However, it relies on inaccurate moves to do anything which means that it makes sense on why it would not be as good.

On a scale from 1-5, how banworthy do you believe Zacian is?
Everyone: 2.50
Qualified: 2.11

:Zacian: Zacian’s result has gone far down from the days of the December metagame. I find it a bit underrated but it is still really, really good.

On a scale from 1-5, how banworthy do you believe Shed Tail is?
Everyone: 2.17
Qualified: 1.72

:Cyclizar: Nothing to say here. Shed tail’s usage has gone down significantly since Cyclazar struggles in the higher power metagame.

On a scale from 1-5, how banworthy do you believe Shadow Tag is?
Everyone: 2.74
Qualified: 2.56

:Gothitelle: I think that Shadow Tag is a bit underrated, but it is true that it is incredibly hard to fit in teams, so nobody uses it. Once someone comes up with a good shadow tag team though, I would like to see this go as Shadow Tag is very uncompetitive

On a scale from 1-5, how banworthy do you believe Arena Trap is?
Everyone: 1.82
Qualified: 1.40

:Dugtrio: Dugtrio is even harder to fit in teams due to it not being able to swap in to opponents, and it not having enough power to break through the walls it wants. I think it has potential but so far it hasn't shown much promise

On a scale from 1-5, how banworthy do you believe Stored Power is?
Everyone: 2.09
Qualified: 1.89

:Espathra: Espathra struggles in this higher power metagame, and the opportunity cost of running it is very high. It's understandable that this has been really low. Cosmic power Arceus might have a resurgance though, which might cause this to increase.

On a scale from 1-5, how banworthy do you believe Terastalization is?
Everyone: 2.40
Qualified: 2.06

:Terapagos: Tera is a bit controversial in general but it is somewhat balanced in this tier. I don’t think we can really ban it in this tier unless Ubers decides to ban it though.

How much would you like for Shaymin-Sky to be retested?
Everyone: 2.77
Qualified: 2.94

:Shaymin-Sky: I don’t really want to have Skymin come back to the tier, since the more I’ve considered it the more I’ve found it to still be broken. This result is not really enough to justify it being retested, but it may be if it keeps getting support in the future. We will be hosting Skymin-allowed tournaments in the Unofficial metagames room in Showdown, so stay tuned there to play them to make your own opinion

How much would you like for Arceus-Flying to be retested?.
Everyone: 3.09
Qualified: 2.81

:Arceus-Flying: Similarly to Skymin, Arceus-Flying is a pokemon that I’ve wanted to retest less and less the more I’ve thought about it. Especially after we’ve just banned an oppressive Arceus form, potentially releasing another one does not sound all that appealing. Since this one is immune to Poison spikes and spikes, I feel like it’d potentially be as oppressive as Arceus-Fire.

How much would you like for Arceus-Steel to be retested?
Everyone: 2.58
Qualified: 2.56

:Arceus-Steel: This one shows how there is not really a want to test Arceus-Steel, which is understandable, since it is one of the better types.

On a scale of 1-5, how much do you agree with the council's decision to suspect test Necrozma Dawn wings?
Everyone: 4.27
Qualified: 4.11

:Necrozma-Dawn-Wings: Necrozma-Dawn-Wings was really problematic for the metagame overall, as it was one of the most used mons with way too much versatility thanks to Tera. Without Tera I don’t see it being a problem though, so if Ubers bans Tera or in potentially generation 10, I can see this returning to the tier.
 
Hello everyone! We are having our fourth community survey, focused on the March, Post Arceus-Fire meta.

Anyone with Smogon account may respond and we will be taking a particularly close look on those who have experience on the ladder or in tournaments. We will keep this open through 12:00 AM GMT of Tuesday, March 19th, but the council will be reading responses as they come in to potentially act sooner, so respond when possible. It only takes a few minutes to respond, so please do so if you are invested in our metagame!
HERE is the March 2024 SV Ubers UU tiering survey. Please respond!
 
Hello everyone! We are having our fifth community survey, focused on the April meta.

Anyone with Smogon account may respond and we will be taking a particularly close look on those who have experience on the ladder or in tournaments. We will keep this open through 12:00 AM GMT of Tuesday, April 16th, but the council will be reading responses as they come in to potentially act sooner, so respond when possible. It only takes a few minutes to respond, so please do so if you are invested in our metagame!
Here is the April 2024 SV Ubers UU tiering survey. Please respond!
 
Here are the results for the April Survey!

On a scale from 1-10, how enjoyable do you find this metagame?
Everyone: 6.534883721
Qualified: 6.142857143

On a scale from 1-10, how balanced to you find this metagame?
Everyone: 4.976744186
Qualified: 5

:Lunala: On a scale from 1-10, how banworthy do you believe Lunala is? If you have not played against it, then feel free to not vote
Everyone: 7.261904762
Qualified: 7.476190476

:Arceus-Ghost: On a scale from 1-10, how banworthy do you believe Arceus-Ghost is? If you have not played against it, then feel free to not vote
Everyone: 7.25
Qualified: 7.263157895

:Shaymin-Sky: On a scale from 1-10, how banworthy do you believe Shaymin-Sky is? If you have not played against it, then feel free to not vote
Everyone: 6.952380952
Qualified: 7.8

:Necrozma-Dawn-Wings: On a scale from 1-10, how banworthy do you believe Necrozma-Dawn-Wings is? If you have not played against it, then feel free to not vote
Everyone: 4.951219512
Qualified: 5.1

:Terapagos: On a scale from 1-10, how banworthy do you believe Terapagos is? If you have not played against it, then feel free to not vote
Everyone: 4.674418605
Qualified: 4.095238095

:Zacian: On a scale from 1-10, how banworthy do you believe Zacian is? If you have not played against it, then feel free to not vote
Everyone: 2.604651163
Qualified: 2.80952381

:Chien-Pao: On a scale from 1-10, how banworthy do you believe Chien-Pao is? If you have not played against it, then feel free to not vote
Everyone: 4.325581395
Qualified: 3.904761905

:Cyclizar: On a scale from 1-10, how banworthy do you believe Shed Tail is? If you have not played against it, then feel free to not vote
Everyone: 4.5
Qualified: 4.571428571

:Arceus: On a scale from 1-10, how banworthy do you believe Extreme Speed is? If you have not played against it, then feel free to not vote
Everyone: 1.930232558
Qualified: 1.952380952

:Dugtrio: On a scale from 1-10, how banworthy do you believe Arena Trap is? If you have not played against it, then feel free to not vote
Everyone: 1.9
Qualified: 1.75

:Terapagos-Stellar: On a scale from 1-10, how banworthy do you believe Tera Blast is? If you have not played against it, then feel free to not vote
Everyone: 2.372093023
Qualified: 2.142857143
 
Hello everyone! We are having our sixth community survey, focused on the May, Post-Lunala meta.

Anyone with Smogon account may respond and we will be taking a particularly close look on those who have experience on the ladder or in tournaments. We will keep this open through 12:00 AM GMT of Saturday, June 1st, but the council will be reading responses as they come in to potentially act sooner, so respond when possible. It only takes a few minutes to respond, so please do so if you are invested in our metagame!

Here is the May 2024 SV Ubers UU tiering survey. Please respond!
 
Here are the results for the April Survey!

On a scale from 1-10, how enjoyable do you find this metagame?
Everyone: 7.121212121
Qualified: 6.866666667

On a scale from 1-10, how balanced to you find this metagame?
Everyone: 6.787878788
Qualified: 7.266666667

This has been a really good increase overall for the metagame, which is a good sign. After April, it is good to know the metagame is becoming more stable.

:Necrozma-Dawn-Wings: On a scale from 1-10, how banworthy do you believe Necrozma-Dawn-Wings is?
Everyone: 5.206896552
Qualified: 4.2

NDW has had a soft landing into the metagame, with more dark types to contest with alongside Terapagos make Support NDW a lot more popular, especially in tournament play. In general, the sweeping ability of NDW has been a lot less offensively threatening to teams in general.

:Chien-Pao: On a scale from 1-10, how banworthy do you believe Chien-Pao is?
Everyone: 5.833333333
Qualified: 5.4

Chien Pao is as controversial as ever, with its numbers increasing from last survey. However, it is unlikely that there will be a suspect test or any other kind of action unless significant support is shown, due to us already having had one in the recent past.

:Arceus-Dark: On a scale from 1-10, how banworthy do you believe Arceus-Dark is?
Everyone: 3.741935484
Qualified: 3.6

Arceus is really strong in the metagame right now, and while Arceus-Dark has been the most consistent Arceus by far; Arceus-Poison is not far behind, with recent trends favoring a support Arceus-Poison set.

:Zacian: On a scale from 1-10, how banworthy do you believe Zacian is?
Everyone: 2.838709677
Qualified: 2.2

Zacian is our control variable, as it helps us gauge how people react to different threats.

:Cyclizar: On a scale from 1-10, how banworthy do you believe Shed Tail is?
Everyone: 3.64516129
Qualified: 2.733333333

Shed tail hate has died down now with the Lunala ban, which is good for the 1 user of Orthworm in the tier.

:Terapagos-Stellar: On a scale from 1-10, how banworthy do you believe Terastallization is?
Everyone: 3.65625
Qualified: 3.6

Between Tera itself and Tera blast, it is kind of hard to determine which of the two should be taken action on, however, I don't think there is enough support to warrant action on either Tera or Tera blast.

:Arceus-Flying: How much would you like for Arceus-Flying to be retested?
Everyone: 5.096774194
Qualified: 4.666666667

Arceus-Flying is the next Arceus in line for testing, and overall, this support is not really enough to warrant a suspect test for now. If it increases throughout the next surveys, the council can consider a suspect test

:Lunala: How much do agree with the council's decision to quickban Lunala?
Everyone: 8.6
Qualified: 9.666666667

Lunala has had the highest score out of every pokemon in qualified, which is really impressive. It was really strong, really broken, and it made a lot of pokemon like Terapagos seem a lot stronger than they actially were.

:Necrozma: How much do agree with the council's decision to unban Necrozma-Dawn-Wings?
Everyone: 6.366666667
Qualified: 7.8

Overall, the NDW unban has been a little more controversial than we expected. However, there is not enough support for us to take any action on it unless something changes in the near future.
 
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Hello everyone! We are having our seventh community survey, focused on the July metagame.

Anyone with Smogon account may respond and we will be taking a particularly close look on those who have experience on the ladder or in tournaments. We will keep this open through 12:00 AM GMT of Monday, July 22nd, but the council will be reading responses as they come in to potentially act sooner, so respond when possible. It only takes a few minutes to respond, so please do so if you are invested in our metagame!

Here is the July 2024 SV Ubers UU tiering survey. Please respond!
 
Here are the results of the July survey!

Enjoyment:
General: 6.96
Qualified:7.21

The enjoyment stat has actually shifted quite a bit since the last survey, with the general enjoyment going down by around 0.17 and the qualified actually increasing by around 0.34. However, enjoyment is still high enough to where people seem to be enjoying the tier overall, and for that, the council is glad!

Balance:
General: 6.73
Qualified:6.79

The balance has actually significantly dropped in qualified, while it remained about equal for general. This has probably been influenced by the recent talk about Tera blast and its impact on the top threats (Zacian, Necrozma-Dawn-Wings and Chien-Pao). This low of a balance stat generally warrants some sort of action should be taken to improve the metagame.

:Necrozma-Dawn-Wings: Necrozma Dawn Wings:
General: 4.27
Qualified: 4.37

Necrozma’s overall stat has gone down significantly since the last survey, being reduced by almost an entire point in the general, while not having a significant enough increase in the qualified to warrant any specific attention. The council will still monitor NDW’s stats considering that it is one of the prime abusers of Tera and Tera blast in the tier, with very few reliable answers once those two are brought into the equation.

:Chien-Pao: Chien-Pao:
General: 5.38
Qualified:4.58

Chien-Pao’s overall numbers have been dropping since its first month, and it seems people have been warming up to the cold saber tooth tiger, as most teams run a Magearna to counter it.

:Arceus-Dark: Arceus-Dark:
General: 3.95
Qualified: 4.26

Arceus-Dark's ability to serve as an incredible defensive staple, in addition to its ability to run over teams without an adequate offensive check prompted us to finally put it on the survey to gauge community opinion on the Pokemon. There's little support for action to be taken on Arceus-Dark from the general playerbase, but we can see that the qualified playerbase did rate it a decent bit higher. There's not enough support from either playerbases to warrant any action to be taken, but given the numbers from qualified, we'll keep our eye on the Pokemon for the months to come


:Mewtwo: Mewtwo:
General: 4.64
Qualified: 5.05

Mewtwo’s incredible versatility and coverage potentially have a lot of banworthy traits, but its mediocre typing and its good but not amazing speed and bulk hold it back enough to where the playerbase doesn’t want action against it. With pokemon like Zacian and Chien-Pao in the tier, it becomes harder for Mewtwo to sweep teams, alongside the fact that it can’t run every move it wants out of its 8+ moves of choice, resulting in it potentially not feeling as oppressive as it may seem at first glance.

:Zacian: Zacian:
General: 3.16
Qualified:1.84

Zacian’s stats are more of an indication of a healthy pokemon that the council uses to gauge the brokenness of other survey results.

:Terapagos-Stellar: Tera blast:
General: 4.88
Qualified: 5.58

This is the most divisive vote so far, as the same number of qualified voters voted for it as a 10 in the banworthy scale and a 1 in the same scale. There is also a big difference between qualified and general, which shows a clear split in the overall playerbase. However, not enough voters think that it is banworthy to conduct either a suspect or a quickban vote. Maybe it will increase in the next few months, but right now it is highly unlikely that there will be action towards it.

:Arceus-Flying: Arceus-Flying:
General: 4.90
Qualified: 3.94

:Arceus-Steel: Arceus-Steel:
General: 4.98
Qualified:4.44

Neither Arceus got significant enough support to be suspect tested, but they are both close enough to where people might change their opinions over time. As it stands, Arceus-Steel is the more likely to be retested, with it coming a lot of issues (like having to stack steels and its spikes vulnerability), but with a lot of potential banworthy traits (immune to poison, both physical and special STAB, great defensive typing and stealth rock resistance). The council could be open to testing both (not at the same time) as they both provide good defensive qualities for the tier (more ground resists/immunities, more poison, normal and fairy resistances).


Overall, the stats show that some sort of action should be taken to improve the metagame, but the playerbase is divided in between what exactly should be looked into. As a result, it is highly unlikely that there will be any sort of tiering action for the near future. Hopefully, with the Ubers UU seasonal, the Ghosting tournament and UUBD continuing, players will be able to see more matches to agree what needs to be removed to improve the overall health of the metagame.
 
Hello everyone! We are having our eighth community survey, focused on the August metagame.

Anyone with Smogon account may respond and we will be taking a particularly close look on those who have experience on the ladder or in tournaments. We will keep this open through 12:00 AM GMT of Thursday, 15th, but the council will be reading responses as they come in to potentially act sooner, so respond when possible. It only takes a few minutes to respond, so please do so if you are invested in our metagame!

Here is the August 2024 SV Ubers UU tiering survey. Please respond!
 
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On a scale from 1-10, how balanced to you find this metagame?
6.692307692 - Qualified
6.270833333 - General

On a scale from 1-10, how enjoyable do you find this metagame?
7.692307692 - Qualified
6.708333333 - General

On a scale from 1-10, how banworthy do you believe Necrozma-Dawn-Wings is?
5.615384615 - Qualified
5.680851064 - General

On a scale from 1-10, how banworthy do you believe Chien-Pao is?
4.230769231- Qualified
5.276595745 - General

On a scale from 1-10, how banworthy do you believe Mewtwo is?
6.461538462 - Qualified
5.847826087 - General

On a scale from 1-10, how banworthy do you believe Zacian is?
1.384615385 - Qualified
2.854166667 - General

On a scale from 1-10, how banworthy do you believe Arceus-Dragon is?
4.846153846 - Qualified
4.2 - General

On a scale from 1-10, how banworthy do you believe Arceus-Dark is?
3.461538462 - Qualified
4 - General

On a scale from 1-10, how banworthy do you believe Tera Blast is?
7.692307692 - Qualified
7.0625 - General

How much would you like for Arceus-Flying to be retested?
3.384615385 - Qualified
4.926829268 - General

How much would you like for Arceus-Steel to be retested?
5.769230769 - Qualified
5.285714286 - General

Overall, most things were within an expected range, though the results show that the balance of the metagame could be improved and we’re concerned about both Tera Blast from the Qualified and General playerbase (hence the ongoing suspect test), and Mewtwo from the qualified playerbase, which should see ongoing scrutiny from the council.

(also sorry for the later than expected results, i've been pretty busy) - :kyurem-white:
 
Hello everyone! We are having our first mini-survey, following the Tera blast suspect test results.

Anyone with Smogon account may respond and we will be taking a particularly close look on those who have experience on the ladder or in tournaments. We will keep this open through 12:00 AM GMT of Friday, September 6th, but the council will be reading responses as they come in to potentially act sooner, so respond when possible. It only takes a few minutes to respond, so please do so if you are invested in our metagame!

Here is the September 2024 SV Ubers UU tiering mini-survey. Please respond!
 
Hello everyone! We are having another community survey, focused on the October metagame.

Anyone with Smogon account may respond and we will be taking a particularly close look on those who have experience on the ladder or in tournaments. We will keep this open through 12:00 AM GMT of Monday, 14th, but the council will be reading responses as they come in to potentially act sooner, so respond when possible. It only takes a few minutes to respond, so please do so if you are invested in our metagame! From here on out, the surveys will probably come alot slower, so this is the primary opportunity to voice input on the new metagame.

Here is the October 2024 SV Ubers UU tiering survey. Please respond!
 
General Playerbase

On a scale of 1-10, how much do you support tiering action on Arceus-Dragon? - 6.444444444
On a scale of 1-10, how much do you support tiering action on Arceus-Poison? - 3.8
On a scale of 1-10, how much do you support tiering action on Mewtwo? - 5.466666667
On a scale of 1-10, how much do you support tiering action on Terastallization? - 5.533333333
On a scale of 1-10, how much do you support tiering action on Sleep? - 4.466666667
On a scale of 1-10, how much would you support a full Arceus ban? - 3.133333333
How much would you like for Arceus-Flying to be retested? - 3.666666667
How much would you like for Arceus-Steel to be retested? - 3.833333333

Qualified Playerbase

On a scale of 1-10, how much do you support tiering action on Arceus-Dragon? - 6.388888889
On a scale of 1-10, how much do you support tiering action on Arceus-Poison? - 3.166666667
On a scale of 1-10, how much do you support tiering action on Mewtwo? - 6.055555556
On a scale of 1-10, how much do you support tiering action on Terastallization? - 5.315789474
On a scale of 1-10, how much do you support tiering action on Sleep? - 4.277777778
On a scale of 1-10, how much would you support a full Arceus ban? - 3.055555556
How much would you like for Arceus-Flying to be retested? - 3.111111111
How much would you like for Arceus-Steel to be retested? - 3.388888889

Things of Note:
Dragonceus was exceptionally high - suspect worthy.
Mewtwo is quite high - something to keep a close eye on for the future.
Terastallization was also quite high, another thing to keep an eye on.
 
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