Serious The Politics Thread

Yes.

Also, polling has been suspect. Crosstabs this cycle have been suggesting the Latino vote is tied and that convicted felon Trump will pull 25% of the black vote. Vote Latino just release a poll that had Biden +20 among Latinx voters (2020 result Biden +28). Republicans have gotten no more than 13% of black vote nationally since 1992. The polls are telling us convicted felon Trump is historically popular among minorities, despite his last two elections saying otherwise. Yeah.. about that.
Are they only suspect when they don't fit your narrative? There is an ample conservative Latino base and the original post you quoted aged like milk.
 
Yeah it's obvious to me that you don't know much at all about Israeli politics if you think the TSS is dead with the Kachists out of power. The consensus is that Gantz should be PM and that National Unity and Yesh Atid would secure a coalition government. The secular right-wing has abandoned Netanyahu for 5 years already and would crush him if elections were held today.
Benny Gantz is hardly some diplomatically minded pro-Palestinian person. I promise you no amenable TSS will come under a potential government in the current Israeli climate. The days of returning to something like the Oslo Accords is over

And no, the US doesn't really have any real leverage. Arms embargos are meaningless and wouldn't do anything to actually stop Israeli operations, they would only give Netanyahu room to cleanse Gaza entirely.
This is not true at all. US aid and especially US veto power at the UN is incredibly valuable to Israel. I don't get this

idea that something like this is something people are just discovering is also really ignorant.
Yes, the sheer scale and brutality of this current and the role of social media have gotten a lot more people invested in this than previously. Public opinion is absolutely shifting in favor of Palestinains. This obviously is different from previous flareups
 
Last edited:
Are they only suspect when they don't fit your narrative? There is an ample conservative Latino base and the original post you quoted aged like milk.
Narrative that is actual voting results? Republicans have not gotten more than 13% of the black vote in over 30 years. Latinx went 63-35 Biden in 2020 and 65-29 Clinton in 2016. When the polls flubbed 2022 the black vote was 86-13 Dems and Latinx was 60-39 Dems. In 2018 it was 90-9 Dems and 69-29 Dems. That is a lot of voting history. But we should not question these recent polls that say otherwise?
 
Are they only suspect when they don't fit your narrative? There is an ample conservative Latino base and the original post you quoted aged like milk.
Groups like Tejanos and Cubans in Florida break for Repubs generally, but half the overall Latino population? Don't know if that's true
 
The polls are telling us convicted felon Trump is historically popular among minorities, despite his last two elections saying otherwise. Yeah.. about that.
I actually would not be surprised if this is true. Biden helped to write the 1994 crime bill; he just clamped down on immigration at the US-Mexico border; and I'm sure that "you ain't black" is still in the heads of many. Without a COVID crisis boosting Biden's numbers, it won't surprise me if Trump does quite well with racial/ethnic minorities in November. Polls can be wrong, of course, and I have my doubts that Trump will secure half of the Latine vote, but I also wouldn't rule out the possibility.
 
Benny Gantz is hardly some diplomatically minded pro-Palestinian person. I promise you no amenable TSS will come under a potential government in the current Israeli climate. The days of returning to something like the Oslo Accords is over



This is not true at all. US aid and especially US veto power at the UN is incredibly valuable to Israel. I don't get this



Yes, the sheer scale and brutality of this current and the role of social media have gotten a lot more people invested in this than previously. Public opinion is absolutely shifting in favor of Palestinains. This obviously is different from previous flareups
1) Gantz has explicitly stated that he will leave the coalition if Netanyahu refuses to lay out a plan for governance in Gaza. It's safe to say the TSS is safe with Netanyahu out of power, it just means Hamas would not be the de-facto government, which it should never have been and only has been thanks to two decades of Likudnik support.

2) US aid isn't as valuable any more, because there are plenty of other suppliers to fill the gap, namely Germany and Israel's own industry. In fact, it's declining in usefulness so much that it's now a common position among the far-right to REJECT American arms transfers, because they want to deleverage American influence on the country's foreign policy. Israel will have no shortage of quality munitions thanks to Nazi grandchildren (I'm not even drunk now and I still say FUCK the Krauts).

3) It's not social media, it's the proliferation of bullshit media in American politics. There's still no shortage of white twentysomethings and elderly racist rock stars willing to pitch money at shit like Grayzone and TYT. Media informs and sets the public's agenda, not the other way around.
 
I actually would not be surprised if this is true. Biden helped to write the 1994 crime bill; he just clamped down on immigration at the US-Mexico border; and I'm sure that "you ain't black" is still in the heads of many. Without a COVID crisis boosting Biden's numbers, it won't surprise me if Trump does quite well with racial/ethnic minorities in November. Polls can be wrong, of course, and I have my doubts that Trump will secure half of the Latine vote, but I also wouldn't rule out the possibility.
Why would you not rule it out? The polls are painting an exact contradiction to voting history. These are casted ballots, not a handful of people telling a poll what they will do. Polls are also notoriously bad at getting responses from the black and Latinx communities.

I actually understated earlier about the black vote. No Republican presidential candidate has gotten 20% or more of the black vote since the Civil Rights Act was passed sixty years ago in 1964. But Trump as a convicted felon will do it this year?
 
Narrative that is actual voting results? Republicans have not gotten more than 13% of the black vote in over 30 years. Latinx went 63-35 Biden in 2020 and 65-29 Clinton in 2016. When the polls flubbed 2022 the black vote was 86-13 Dems and Latinx was 60-39 Dems. In 2018 it was 90-9 Dems and 69-29 Dems. That is a lot of voting history. But we should not question these recent polls that say otherwise?
So just to reiterate:

2016: 65-29 Dem
2018: 69-29 Dem
2020: 63-35 Dem
2022: 60-39 Dem

With the exception of 2018, there's been an increase in number of Latinos voting R since 2016. I never said there was a majority of Latinos voting R, I said ample. I also don't know why you insist on pointing out the black vote when I said Latino and not minority. Lastly, it's Latino, not Latinx.

Also stop focusing on national results as if that determines the presidency.
 
National results do determine the presidency, as the demographics and states are all correlated. If the Latino vote really goes 50-50, Biden will get stomped in Arizona and Nevada. If the black vote is 75-25 such as in recent polls, you will see Fox News Polls showing Virginia (large black population) tied. Hence, why we should be skeptical of polls with contradictory cross tabs.

If I recall, the polls were also off in the Mexican presidential race.
 
National results do determine the presidency, as the demographics and states are all correlated. If the Latino vote really goes 50-50, Biden will get stomped in Arizona and Nevada. If the black vote is 75-25 such as in recent polls, you will see Fox News Polls showing Virginia (large black population) tied. Hence, why we should be skeptical of polls with contradictory cross tabs.

If I recall, the polls were also off in the Mexican presidential race.
I don't think you're following my point so this isn't worth continuing. I'll leave you with this article showing how people under 40 would vote if the election were today. Spoiler: Trump leads Biden by 4% in Latino voters. Young people won Biden the 2020 election and if they don't show up the same way they did in 2020 this election is already over.

https://www.npr.org/2024/06/05/nx-s...gaza-inflation-abortion-trump-genforward-poll
 
I don't think you're following my point so this isn't worth continuing. I'll leave you with this article showing how people under 40 would vote if the election were today. Spoiler: Trump leads Biden by 4% in Latino voters. Young people won Biden the 2020 election and if they don't show up the same way they did in 2020 this election is already over.

https://www.npr.org/2024/06/05/nx-s...gaza-inflation-abortion-trump-genforward-poll
When asked to choose which presidential candidate would do the best on issues relating to immigration and inflation, Trump has the most support overall. But, in the question, which gave respondents the options of Trump, Biden, Robert F. Kennedy Jr., Cornel West and “none of them,” Trump is closely followed by “none of them.”
playing into the idea that this is accurate, holy shit is the average American a fucking moron
 
It's pretty insane to be giving the benefit of the doubt to the army that has killed over 35,0000 people in 8 months. If you compare that to the deaths in Iraq from America's 2003-2023 presence, estimates put that number around 300,000, averaging out to 15,000 a year. The only way Israel could be doing worse is if they blew up aid workers, had full control over the Gaza infrastructure, and and were allowed to investigate themselves. Oh wait.
Not going to let this go unnoticed when people are still defending the most moral army in the world which over the last 48 hours successfully killed 200 civilians, mostly children, and wounded 400 more as they blew up UN schools with US weaponry. They got 4 hostages in return, though. Huge shout out to Joe Biden on his excellent ceasefire plan that's totally going places.

https://www.democracynow.org/2024/6...sed_in_israeli_attack_on_unrwa_school_in_gaza

 
In local news, NY governor Kathy Hochul killed the first in the USA congestion tolling plan, that would have charged drivers $15 to drive into the lower half of Manhattan. The funding would go into MTA (the public transit agency). It had been years in the making and half a billion in installed equipment. Governor Hochul cites “economic consideration” for the blatantly political move that is intended to appease suburban voters ahead of November’s elections.
 
would have charged drivers $15 to drive into the lower half of Manhattan
Yeah, this was probably never going to be completed. Everybody hates tolls, and the people with cars who would've been paying the toll are less likely to care about the public transit that it funds. As transparently self-serving as it is, this is a wise political move on Hochul's part.
 
Yeah, this was probably never going to be completed. Everybody hates tolls, and the people with cars who would've been paying the toll are less likely to care about the public transit that it funds. As transparently self-serving as it is, this is a wise political move on Hochul's part.
I disagree. It will get completed. Frankly, screw the politics. At some point US politicians actually have to govern. Governor Cuomo and the legislature approved this plan 5 years ago. All the infrastructure, jobs, and studies have already been funded and completed. The start date was June 30! To pull the plug flushes all of that down the toilet and also costs the MTA $15 billion in new revenue, which taxpayers will end up paying through some other means anyway. In fact, people in neighboring states would likely be helping the MTA where as now it falls squarely on NY residents. And to think this is a ploy to save NY Democrats in one House election. Look no further than this example as to why the US lags behind other countries in infrastructure.

A similar comp was Governor Christie pulling the plug on the already funded ARC project, which would have built two new Amtrak tunnels under the Hudson River, doubling train capacity on the Northeast Corridor. Fifteen years later, the existing tunnels are in a state of disrepair, and the new tunnels are just now getting started and now at more than twice the cost. But it’s always more important to get re-elected!
 
https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-covid-propaganda/

The United States launched anti-vax conspiracy theory campaigns in Asia. We will never know how many deaths they caused by doing this.
Reuters said:
The U.S. military’s anti-vax effort began in the spring of 2020 and expanded beyond Southeast Asia before it was terminated in mid-2021, Reuters determined. Tailoring the propaganda campaign to local audiences across Central Asia and the Middle East, the Pentagon used a combination of fake social media accounts on multiple platforms to spread fear of China’s vaccines among Muslims at a time when the virus was killing tens of thousands of people each day. A key part of the strategy: amplify the disputed contention that, because vaccines sometimes contain pork gelatin, China’s shots could be considered forbidden under Islamic law.
Reuters said:
Nevertheless, the Pentagon’s clandestine propaganda efforts are set to continue. In an unclassified strategy document last year, top Pentagon generals wrote that the U.S. military could undermine adversaries such as China and Russia using “disinformation spread across social media, false narratives disguised as news, and similar subversive activities [to] weaken societal trust by undermining the foundations of government.”

And in February, the contractor that worked on the anti-vax campaign – General Dynamics IT – won a $493 million contract. Its mission: to continue providing clandestine influence services for the military.
 
https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-covid-propaganda/

The United States launched anti-vax conspiracy theory campaigns in Asia. We will never know how many deaths they caused by doing this.
Yeah, this isn't surprising and indeed, something I've been saying for a while. Lots of antivaxxer content was coming out of Russia, the US, and China. I once again would like to point to the Bernard paper. The single greatest indicator of the US becoming a failed state is the refusal of the DoJ to prosecute Republican officials for causing over a million American deaths and countless more abroad.
 
Of course she talks with Racist & LGBTIQ+ hating Trumpist Candace Owens on their channel right after joining Don Lemon like the grifter she is, why did Leftists ever take her seriously again?

Seriously, i can't remember her having many takes that made any sense, let alone won't only help the opposite political camp.

Edit: Well at least this blog comment was right about her and the detriment to the left 8 months ago, not like she's the only one tho (hi Hassanabi and other people). She not only now fits in with guys such as Glenn Greenwald and Dave Rubin, the posterchilds of fake leftism, lets see how long it takes until she openly endorses Donald Trump or another MAGA as next step.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/20...n-Briahna-Joy-Gray-Is-Detrimental-to-the-Left
 
Last edited:

Chou Toshio

Over9000
is an Artist Alumnusis a Forum Moderator Alumnusis a Community Contributor Alumnusis a Contributor Alumnusis a Top Smogon Media Contributor Alumnusis a Battle Simulator Moderator Alumnus
View attachment 640607
The Rising to fascist pipeline never fails
Only any left oxygen b/c Gaza.

A year ago Biden’s concessions, progress, and Trump’s cases in the main drew such a distinction that the purely “Democrats bad” left channels were gasping more and more.

BJG went on Kyle’s channel and got soooo wrecked. She looked so dumb and shallow making the “Biden just as bad” argument in face of Anti Trust moves, UAW/Union energy, infra/chips, and genuine progressive collaboration.

BGJ and them were tapping out but now… well… boom, they’re back and bigger

Real sad…
 
Last edited:
Of course she talks with Racist & LGBTIQ+ hating Trumpist Candace Owens on their channel right after joining Don Lemon like the grifter she is, why did Leftists ever take her seriously again?

Seriously, i can't remember her having many takes that made any sense, let alone won't only help the opposite political camp.

Edit: Well at least this blog comment was right about her and the detriment to the left 8 months ago, not like she's the only one tho (hi Hassanabi and other people). She not only now fits in with guys such as Glenn Greenwald and Dave Rubin, the posterchilds of fake leftism, lets see how long it takes until she openly endorses Donald Trump or another MAGA as next step.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/20...n-Briahna-Joy-Gray-Is-Detrimental-to-the-Left
Can you post some of her takes that you disagree with with a short explanation saying why? I've followed her for a few years now and she's been very consistent in her views.

Also, Glenn Greenwald and Dave Rubin were never "poster childs for leftism." GG has always described himself as a free speech advocate in the same realm as someone like Noam Chomsky. This doesn't mean that everything they say is something you need to agree with. Dave Rubin, on the other hand, was alwags at most a centrist. I genuinely have no idea what made you think he was ever a leftist. Perhaps him being gay gave people the benefit of the doubt but he was never hiding his intentions and is largely why he's faded into irrelevance.

Only any left oxygen b/c Gaza.



A year ago Biden’s concessions, progress, and Trump’s cases in the main drew such a distinction that the purely “Democrats bad” left channels were gasping more and more.



BJG went on Kyle’s channel and got soooo wrecked. She looked so dumb and shallow making the “Biden just as bad” argument in face of Anti Trust moves, UAW/Union energy, infra/chips, and genuine progressive collaboration.



BGJ and them were tapping out but now… well… boom, they’re back and bigger



Real sad…
Hate to break it to you but the Democrats are in fact bad. I don't understand how you anyone can think there is an even split of "good" and "bad" that happens to be 50/50 all of the time. When you have to handwave an anti-war position as the only reason why someone is relevant, you've admitted you're fine with the status quo.
 
Can you post some of her takes that you disagree with with a short explanation saying why? I've followed her for a few years now and she's been very consistent in her views.

Also, Glenn Greenwald and Dave Rubin were never "poster childs for leftism." GG has always described himself as a free speech advocate in the same realm as someone like Noam Chomsky. This doesn't mean that everything they say is something you need to agree with. Dave Rubin, on the other hand, was alwags at most a centrist. I genuinely have no idea what made you think he was ever a leftist. Perhaps him being gay gave people the benefit of the doubt but he was never hiding his intentions and is largely why he's faded into irrelevance.



Hate to break it to you but the Democrats are in fact bad. I don't understand how you anyone can think there is an even split of "good" and "bad" that happens to be 50/50 all of the time. When you have to handwave an anti-war position as the only reason why someone is relevant, you've admitted you're fine with the status quo.
I already mentioned that they were Provence over time as fake leftists and seen as leftists by a good chunk of people, garnered attention and some promoted themselves as such (never cared about Dave Rubin myself to check if he openly promoted himself as such), none of your waffling of what constitutes as leftist in your purist marxist/anarchist mind changes anything of that and just moves the goalpost away.

Second thing about democrats being "overall bad" is not the point and just a further shifting away of the goalpost from "Democrats just all bad" leftists exposing themselves more and more as either living in "all or nothing" utopian socialist La-La Land or turning into opportunistic grifters such as Brianna Joy Gray who has been flirting with the far-right since 2020 and continues to repeat their conspiracies for years now.

All they really do as result is to help Donald Trump while believing their actions would at some point lead to "socialist revolution" (however marxist and some anarchists define socialism) and if Trump comes into power and turns USA into right-wing dictatorship in this "process" they pretty much say "so be it" (a viewpoint really baffling to me seeing LGBTIQ+ sharing since they're quite literally the most fucked under a second Trump term alongside muslims). Frankly insane accelerationists are even openly happy about that more and more likely scenario since young voters are moving into voting for Trump, a phenomenon already seen in european parlament elections last week.

It wouldn't even shock me anymore at this point if she were another plant by the right to sow chaos in the emerging left, especially after the emergence of DSA and Bernie Sanders campaigns in 2016 and 2020.
 

Users Who Are Viewing This Thread (Users: 1, Guests: 4)

Top