I believe you forgot Fire on this list, although Fire is not the best attacking type in terms of SE coverage, it hits Steels super effectively which is an extremely important asset to any team.
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The Power of Poison!
- Thread starter Pip the Puffin
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I believe you forgot Fire on this list, although Fire is not the best attacking type in terms of SE coverage, it hits Steels super effectively which is an extremely important asset to any team.
That's pretty much how I feel about Pokémon in general. I use STAB attacks even if they're looked down upon, such as Sludge Bomb on Gengar, Flash Cannon/Iron Tail on Lucario, Flash Cannon on Heatran, or Aerial Ace on Salamence. It's just something I have to do.
I can see justifications for the others, but Iron Tail Lucario is just stupid. He has enough problem trying to choose between Ice Punch, Crunch, Stone Edge, and Bullet Punch as it is.
Are you going to run Bounce Gyarados? lol
Bounce Gyarados could work well with Leftovers and Toxic Spikes, especially for a stall team. It stops Celebi and Tangrowth from countering Gyara.
But Iron Tail < Close Combat on Lucario. CC hits the same types super effective as Iron Tail plus 3 more, has better accuracy and better power.
Well, my physical Jolly Lucario runs Hi Jump Kick/Iron Tail/Blaze Kick/ExtremeSpeed holding Wide Lens. I find that Iron Tail is a great attack for when Fighting is resisted and to be a great Froslass/Aerodactyl killer.
And yes, I'd like to test out Bounce Gyarados when Platinum hits stateside.
I just personally do not like CC on Lucario for some reason.
I realize that to the Smogon community it's massive fail. But the thing is, I don't play on Shoddy. I play on PBR, where I've had Aerodactyl use Earthquake on that Lucario and not knock it out about 95% of the time. I counter with Iron Tail and pretty much OHKO it.
I don't post my teams here because I'd be flamed like crazy, since I have a nasty habit of running unorthodox movesets.
Meh, if Salamence/Gyarados had a flying move that had 80+ base power that is not named bounce/fly/sky attack, I would run it. As it stands, STAB aerial ace has less base power than return of all things. >>
In my opinion, Iron Tail is an absolutely horrible move. Basically, its Earthquake with dangerous accuracy.
Dragon Rush is somewhat better because Dragon is a much better attacking type, but Steel! Steel is right up there with Poison and Normal as far as shitty offensive types go. Anyways, Dragon Claw > Dragon Rush. 25 base accuracy is more important than 20 base power IMO.
I think its the same with Aqua Tail and Waterfall.
Steel is not very effective against some key types (Steel and Water) and isn't super effective against much (Rock and Ice). Rock is up there with Grass to, as far as weaknesses go.
I wonder if a new flying attack would see use on SpecsMence if it was special and powerful (like 100 BP). Aerial Ace just doesn't cut it on Phys. sets and Fly just says "Please, I want you to have a free switch." Bounce is just Fly with worse power and accuracy and a handly paralysis chance.
Dragon Rush is somewhat better because Dragon is a much better attacking type, but Steel! Steel is right up there with Poison and Normal as far as shitty offensive types go. Anyways, Dragon Claw > Dragon Rush. 25 base accuracy is more important than 20 base power IMO.
I think its the same with Aqua Tail and Waterfall.
Steel is not very effective against some key types (Steel and Water) and isn't super effective against much (Rock and Ice). Rock is up there with Grass to, as far as weaknesses go.
I wonder if a new flying attack would see use on SpecsMence if it was special and powerful (like 100 BP). Aerial Ace just doesn't cut it on Phys. sets and Fly just says "Please, I want you to have a free switch." Bounce is just Fly with worse power and accuracy and a handly paralysis chance.
he said he played on PBR lots of people on PBR dont ev train or breed for good natures or ivs
and i use bounce gyarados to kill celebi dont make fun of it
I think Bounce Gyarados can be viable fwiw. It eliminates Celebi as a counter. If they switch out Celebi after seeing the first phase of Bounce, their switch-in still has to take a hit, and another if it's slower.
Aeroblast Salamence ftw!
Aeroblast Salamence ftw!
Flying would actually have decent Synergy with Salamence's movepool. Dragon/Fire/Ground (or fight) already achieves perfect coverage so you have the room. Flying/Ground (or fight) also has fairly high synergy so it could inch its way into mence's moveset I think.
As for dragon rush, so few pokemon get it anyway. The only time I found it valuable was on Scarf Garchomp, early game. Kind of like a "hit whatever" move, hedging against your own crappy prediction. Earthquake sucks to get locked into early game if the opponent out predicts you and brings in flying/levitate. Fire Blast does crappy damage when not SE. Outrage provides accuracy, but you don't want to get locked in. Dragon Rush therefore is the "power with coverage" general "whack whatever" option. Claw's power from scarf in early game was just not enough. Plus, Rush brought the advantage of people underestimating chomp thinking "Oh, it has crappy dragon rush for Dragon STAB," to get screwed in late game because they didn't plan to take on Outrage.
If Flygon had 20+ more base attack and dragon rush, I'd still be using that strategy now I think.
I'm wondering why a comparison to steel hasn't been made yet... Steel can basically be seen as fighting or ground type with less coverage. Gyro ball does it some favors, but a lot of steel types simply use a ground or fighting type move instead. And like poison, although it may be an inferior offensive type, it is a great deffensive type.
And as to the earlier discussion about adding types that are weak to steel. The solution to pollution is dillution (water shouldn't be weak to steel). Poison may poison everything, but in this same argument, fire burns everything, steel crushes everything, water drowns everything etc... I think it would make sense if bugs were affected by poison considering pesticides (and I think that's why grass was affected, herbicides) but then again the bug type doesn't need to get much worse.
And as to the earlier discussion about adding types that are weak to steel. The solution to pollution is dillution (water shouldn't be weak to steel). Poison may poison everything, but in this same argument, fire burns everything, steel crushes everything, water drowns everything etc... I think it would make sense if bugs were affected by poison considering pesticides (and I think that's why grass was affected, herbicides) but then again the bug type doesn't need to get much worse.
Actually, 17.5% miss rate with Wide Lens. >>
Take away Bug's rock weakness, every try smashing a fly with a rock?
Its hard work.
Now if there was a plastic type, that should definitely be super effective.
You people are overthinking things. Pokemon type weaknesses don't have to be that logical. Otherwise we would have this
Water > Grass: Over watering plants
Grass > Water: Plants absorb water
Fire > Water: Fire turns water into steam
Water > Fire: Water puts out Fire
Flying > Rock: Fly over the rocks
Psychic > Steel: Psychic abilities could bend the steel
etc...
Heck, I can get more specific.
Sense Water puts out Fire most of the time, Fire is weak to Water. However, most fire's do not burn hot enough to make water steam which is why fire is great at that job. (BTW, flying should be good against fire because they can stifle its flames) However, if a pokemon gets a Flash Fire bonus, they can hit waters for super effective damage.
Sense Water puts out Fire most of the time, Fire is weak to Water. However, most fire's do not burn hot enough to make water steam which is why fire is great at that job. (BTW, flying should be good against fire because they can stifle its flames) However, if a pokemon gets a Flash Fire bonus, they can hit waters for super effective damage.
They're just putting logical reasoning behind supporting the terrible types.
Actually, in my opinion, Poison isn't that bad offensively. Compare it to Grass, for example. Sure, Grass hits 3 types for super effective (Water, Rock, Ground) but it also hits 7 for not very effective, and thus 7 neutral. Poison, on the other hand, hits 1 super effective, 3 not very effective, 1 for no damage at all, and 11 for neutral. As far as coverage goes, Poison > Grass for neutral damage. If/When I run Roserade with 2 attacking moves, they're generally Sludge Bomb (over Leaf Storm or Energy Ball) and Hidden Power Ground/Fire.
That's actually a very good point about hitting flies with rocks...
I mean anything can smash bugs... Why rocks?
Also, why can't steel hit bugs then?
You would think steel could smash bugs harder than rocks, but I guess not...
By the way, bugs in real life are only more "weak" to pesticides because they are so small (an amount of toxin small to humans would be lethal in the tiny body of an insect). However this has only to do with size and a small mammal is likely to keel over from poison too. If anything, we mammals would be more susceptible (die even faster) to a proportional amount of poison, what with our fast heart rate circulating blood throughout the body so quickly.
Anyway, go tell the 6' long 113lbs. yanmega that it should be weak to poison. lol [/thread-derail]
Anyway, go tell the 6' long 113lbs. yanmega that it should be weak to poison. lol [/thread-derail]
One of the best things about Poison pokemon is resistance to Bullet Punch, X-Scissor/U-turn and Superpower/Brick Break, making it a very good type to resist Scizor, whose the 2nd most common OU pokemon.