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[SET]
name: Dynamax Wallbreaker
move 1: Nasty Plot
move 2: Thunderbolt
move 3: Hidden Power Flying
move 4: Taunt / Focus Blast
item: Sharp Beak / Life Orb
ability: Volt Absorb
nature: Modest
evs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Thundurus-T is a deadly pokemon in the Anything Goes metagame while under the effects of Dynamax. Its great offensive typing, high Special Attack, and good speed make it a fearsome wallbreaker. Nasty Plot is used to allow Thundurus-T to muscle past common defensive pokemon while Dynamaxed, such as Zygarde, Necrozma-DM, Primal Groudon, and Arceus-Ground. Thunderbolt is the most reliable Electric-type STAB attack that Thundurus-T gets. Hidden Power Flying also boosts Thundurus-T's Speed while Dynamaxed, crucially allowing it to outspeed common offensive threats in Zacian-C and Eternatus after a single use. Taunt offers Thundurus-T greater ease in breaking stall and balance while granting it easier opportunities to set up against passive Pokemon such as defensive Necrozma-DM and Ferrothorn, while Focus Blast allows it to OHKO opposing Tyranitar after a boost and deal substantial damage to Ferrothorn. Dark Pulse is also an option to reliably beat Ultra Necrozma and OHKO Lunala after a boost when Dynamaxed. Sharp Beak is the best choice for an item, boosting Max Airstream to terrifying levels of power. Alternatively, Life Orb can be used to greatly improve Thundurus-T' overall power, but the recoil damage in tandem with the lack of significant bulk and a weakness to Stealth Rock can quickly wear Thundurus-T down, putting it in range of priority moves such as Mega Rayquaza's Extreme Speed and Marshadow's Shadow Sneak. Volt Absorb notably gives Thundurus-T the ability to Imposter-proof itself and additionally switch into Thunder from Primal Kyogre. Maximum Special Attack and Speed investment along with a Modest nature is the optimal spread, as it provides maximum damage output while still allowing Thundurus-T to outspeed Yveltal and Xerneas, as well as the entire unboosted metagame bar Deoxys-S after a single Max Airstream boost.

Thundurus-T is a great Pokemon to use on Sticky Web teams, as it is a very adept wallbreaker and also has the means to stop Defog from common users such as Ho-Oh. It appreciates the Speed drop provided by the archetype, allowing it to outspeed Zacian-C, Eternatus, and Ultra Necrozma without having to use Max Airstream first. Thundurus-T also finds a role on balance teams, as they can weaken its checks in Primal Groudon, Zygarde-C, and Arceus-Ground while also providing it with a defensive backbone to fall back on when forced out by faster threats such as Zacian-C and Eternatus. Smeargle is a great teammate for Thundurus-T, as, in addition to Sticky Web, it also provides the ability to prevent opposing leads from reliably setting Stealth Rock. Its ability to impair foes with paralysis or sleep may also help Thundurus-T use Nasty Plot later. Offensive teammates such as Arceus-Ground, Primal Groudon, and Primal Kyogre also aid Thundurus-T by removing its checks while also benefiting from Sticky Web if it's set. On more defensive archetypes, Necrozma-DM, Ho-Oh, and Zygarde-C are good teammates capable of wittling down Thundurus-T's common checks in Zacian-C, Eternatus, and Ground-types. They also provide solid switch-ins to Pokemon that may check Thundurus-T offensively, such as Zacian-C and Eternatus. Late-game cleaners, such as Zacian-C and Ultra Necrozma, appreciate Thundurus-T's fantastic wallbreaking ability, easing a potential sweep towards the end of the match.

[CREDITS]
- Written by: [[MDB, 444201], [Chloe, 262044]]
- Quality checked by: [[bigtalk, 466663], [Guardsweeper, 360582]]
- Grammar checked by: [[The Dutch Plumberjack, 232216]]
 
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[SET]
name: Nasty Plot (Dynamax Wallbreaker)
move 1: Nasty Plot
move 2: Thunderbolt
move 3: Hidden Power Flying
move 4: Taunt / Focus Blast / Dark Pulse This is much less useful than the alternatives
item: Sharp Beak / Life Orb
ability: Volt Absorb
nature: Modest
evs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Thundurus is a deadly pokemon in the Anything Goes metagame while under the effects of Dynamax. Its strong offensive typing, high Special Attack, and good speed make it into a fearsome breaker. Nasty Plot is used to boost Thundurus' Special Attack to allow it to muscle past common defensive pokemon when Dynamaxed, such as Zygarde, Necrozma Dusk Mane, Primal Groudon, and Arceus Ground. Thunderbolt is the most reliable Electric STAB that Thundurus-Therian gets, as the lack of accuracy with Thunder is not generally preferred, especially as the power difference is only 10 when using Max Lightning (While this is true, it's not the kind of information analysis readers are looking for). Hidden Power Flying is the only option Thundurus gets for Flying moves, and also boosts its speed while Dynamaxed, crucially allowing it to outspeed common offensive threats such as Zacian C and Eternatus once Max Airstream has been used once. (It is also notable to state the fact that Max Airstream allows it to break Ground-types, such as Primal Groudon, Arceus-Ground and Zygarde-C). Taunt is a good option for Thundurus, offering it greater ease in breaking Stall and Balance while affording it easier opportunities to set up against the likes of?. Focus Blast is also an option to OHKO opposing Tyranitar at plus two, which Max Lightning fails to achieve, and also hit Ferrothorn once Dynamax has ended . Dark Pulse is also an option to avoid a mindgame with Ultra Necrozma and OHKO Lunala at plus two when Dynamaxed. It also can helpfully lower foes Special Defense when using Max Darkness, at the cost of being easier to revenge kill with Ditto. Sharp Beak is the best choice in the item slot, boosting Max Airstream to terrifying levels of power. Alternatively, Life Orb can be used to greatly improve Thundurus' overall power, but the lack of significant bulk and a weakness to Stealth Rock can make this item a liability at times quickly wear Thundurus-T down, putting it in range of priority moves from the likes of?. Volt Absorb is the only available ability for Thundurus, but it gives it the ability to switch into Thunder from Primal Kyogre and Imposter-Proof itself (switch the order; the fact that Volt Absorb Imposter-proofs itself is much more important). Max Special Attack and Speed along with a Modest nature is the most optimal spread, as it provides maximum damage output while still outspeeding Yveltal and Xerneas, while additionally outspeeding the entire unboosted metagame at plus one (Deoxys-S isn't outsped).

Thundurus is a great pokemon for webs, as it is a very adept breaker, while also having the means to stop Defog from common users such as Ho-Oh. It appreciates the speed drop provided by the archetype, allowing it to naturally outspeed Zacian C, Eternatus, and Ultra Necrozma without having to use Max Airstream first. Thundurus also finds a role on Balance teams, as the playstyle can weaken its relatively few checks which? and provide it opportunities to safely come in vs pokemon such as Ho-oh how so?. (It is better to phrase it as 'can weaken its relatively few checks in Primal Groudon, Zygarde-C and Arceus-Ground, while also providing it with a defensive backbone to fall back on when forced out by faster threats such as Zacian-C and Eternatus')

Primal Groudon is a very good partner for Thundurus, checking both Zacian and Necrozma Dusk Mane checking NDM is hardly relevant for Thundurus-T, while also threatening to OHKO forcing out Eternatus, which is important for Thundurus otherwise struggles against if it has not had the opportunity to set up yet. Thundurus can also remove annoying pokemon for Groudon, such as Zygarde, Ho-Oh if Primal Groudon lacks Rock coverage, and Yveltal. Smeargle is a solid partner as well for Thundurus, as it can set webs, which Thundurus greatly appreciates (Smeargle should be mentioned first). It can also cripple Pokemon with Paralysis or Sleep, providing Thundurus-T with setup opportunities. Primal Kyogre also fits on webs, and the two complement each other well. Water Spout Primal Kyogre can pressure ground types which Thundurus cannot break through without a boost, and also weaken the problematic Primal Groudon (You said they complement each other, so mention what Thundurus-T does for Primal Kyogre i.e. pressuring Primal Groudon/Ferrothorn).

The italicized paragraph needs to be rewritten, as it is not coherent order- and contentwise.

Mention good teammates in Sticky Web offense first, as that is often where you would expect to find Thundurus-T in the first place. Be sure to focus on Pokemon that can set Sticky Webs and Pokemon that break through Thundurus-T's checks in this part (most notably Smeargle and Primal Kyogre as you have already stated).

Then mention good teammates in Balance. In this part, focus on Pokemon that can switch into threats that force Thundurus-T out, such as Zacian-C, Eternatus, Ground-types and Mega Rayquaza (good examples would be Necrozma-DM, Ho-Oh and Zygarde-C). Also focus on late-game cleaners that can take advantage of Thundurus-T's wallbreaking, such as Zacian-C and Ultra Necrozma.
[CREDITS]
- Written by: [MDB, 444201]]
- Quality checked by: [[bigtalk, 466663], [username2, userid2]]
- Grammar checked by: [[username1, userid1]]

Implement these and take the final comment into account, before I go over it again and give you the last stamp.

Also be sure to replace all mentions of 'Thundurus' with 'Thundurus-T'





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[SET]
name: Nasty Plot (Dynamax Wallbreaker)
move 1: Nasty Plot
move 2: Thunderbolt
move 3: Hidden Power Flying
move 4: Taunt / Focus Blast / Dark Pulse This is much less useful than the alternatives
item: Sharp Beak / Life Orb
ability: Volt Absorb
nature: Modest
evs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Thundurus is a deadly pokemon in the Anything Goes metagame while under the effects of Dynamax. Its strong offensive typing, high Special Attack, and good speed make it into a fearsome breaker. Nasty Plot is used to boost Thundurus' Special Attack to allow it to muscle past common defensive pokemon when Dynamaxed, such as Zygarde, Necrozma Dusk Mane, Primal Groudon, and Arceus Ground. Thunderbolt is the most reliable Electric STAB that Thundurus-Therian gets, as the lack of accuracy with Thunder is not generally preferred, especially as the power difference is only 10 when using Max Lightning (While this is true, it's not the kind of information analysis readers are looking for). Hidden Power Flying is the only option Thundurus gets for Flying moves, and also boosts its speed while Dynamaxed, crucially allowing it to outspeed common offensive threats such as Zacian C and Eternatus once Max Airstream has been used once. (It is also notable to state the fact that Max Airstream allows it to break Ground-types, such as Primal Groudon, Arceus-Ground and Zygarde-C). Taunt is a good option for Thundurus, offering it greater ease in breaking Stall and Balance while affording it easier opportunities to set up against the likes of?. Focus Blast is also an option to OHKO opposing Tyranitar at plus two, which Max Lightning fails to achieve, and also hit Ferrothorn once Dynamax has ended . Dark Pulse is also an option to avoid a mindgame with Ultra Necrozma and OHKO Lunala at plus two when Dynamaxed. It also can helpfully lower foes Special Defense when using Max Darkness, at the cost of being easier to revenge kill with Ditto. Sharp Beak is the best choice in the item slot, boosting Max Airstream to terrifying levels of power. Alternatively, Life Orb can be used to greatly improve Thundurus' overall power, but the lack of significant bulk and a weakness to Stealth Rock can make this item a liability at times quickly wear Thundurus-T down, putting it in range of priority moves from the likes of?. Volt Absorb is the only available ability for Thundurus, but it gives it the ability to switch into Thunder from Primal Kyogre and Imposter-Proof itself (switch the order; the fact that Volt Absorb Imposter-proofs itself is much more important). Max Special Attack and Speed along with a Modest nature is the most optimal spread, as it provides maximum damage output while still outspeeding Yveltal and Xerneas, while additionally outspeeding the entire unboosted metagame at plus one (Deoxys-S isn't outsped).

Thundurus is a great pokemon for webs, as it is a very adept breaker, while also having the means to stop Defog from common users such as Ho-Oh. It appreciates the speed drop provided by the archetype, allowing it to naturally outspeed Zacian C, Eternatus, and Ultra Necrozma without having to use Max Airstream first. Thundurus also finds a role on Balance teams, as the playstyle can weaken its relatively few checks which? and provide it opportunities to safely come in vs pokemon such as Ho-oh how so?. (It is better to phrase it as 'can weaken its relatively few checks in Primal Groudon, Zygarde-C and Arceus-Ground, while also providing it with a defensive backbone to fall back on when forced out by faster threats such as Zacian-C and Eternatus')

Primal Groudon is a very good partner for Thundurus, checking both Zacian and Necrozma Dusk Mane checking NDM is hardly relevant for Thundurus-T, while also threatening to OHKO forcing out Eternatus, which is important for Thundurus otherwise struggles against if it has not had the opportunity to set up yet. Thundurus can also remove annoying pokemon for Groudon, such as Zygarde, Ho-Oh if Primal Groudon lacks Rock coverage, and Yveltal. Smeargle is a solid partner as well for Thundurus, as it can set webs, which Thundurus greatly appreciates (Smeargle should be mentioned first). It can also cripple Pokemon with Paralysis or Sleep, providing Thundurus-T with setup opportunities. Primal Kyogre also fits on webs, and the two complement each other well. Water Spout Primal Kyogre can pressure ground types which Thundurus cannot break through without a boost, and also weaken the problematic Primal Groudon (You said they complement each other, so mention what Thundurus-T does for Primal Kyogre i.e. pressuring Primal Groudon/Ferrothorn).

The italicized paragraph needs to be rewritten, as it is not coherent order- and contentwise.

Mention good teammates in Sticky Web offense first, as that is often where you would expect to find Thundurus-T in the first place. Be sure to focus on Pokemon that can set Sticky Webs and Pokemon that break through Thundurus-T's checks in this part (most notably Smeargle and Primal Kyogre as you have already stated).

Then mention good teammates in Balance. In this part, focus on Pokemon that can switch into threats that force Thundurus-T out, such as Zacian-C, Eternatus, Ground-types and Mega Rayquaza (good examples would be Necrozma-DM, Ho-Oh and Zygarde-C). Also focus on late-game cleaners that can take advantage of Thundurus-T's wallbreaking, such as Zacian-C and Ultra Necrozma.
[CREDITS]
- Written by: [MDB, 444201]]
- Quality checked by: [[bigtalk, 466663], [username2, userid2]]
- Grammar checked by: [[username1, userid1]]

Implement these and take the final comment into account, before I go over it again and give you the last stamp.

Also be sure to replace all mentions of 'Thundurus' with 'Thundurus-T'





Moved this from the other thread to here. This is Guardsweepers QC check.
Implemented this; also cleaned it up a little where unnecessary information was added / fixed some mistakes. Guardsweeper, can you please look over this and see if there are any remaining mistakes.
 

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[SET]
name: Dynamax Wallbreaker
move 1: Nasty Plot
move 2: Thunderbolt
move 3: Hidden Power Flying
move 4: Taunt / Focus Blast
item: Sharp Beak / Life Orb
ability: Volt Absorb
nature: Modest
evs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Thundurus-T is a deadly pokemon in the Anything Goes metagame while under the effects of Dynamax. Its strong offensive typing, high Special Attack, and good speed make it a fearsome breaker. Nasty Plot is used to boost Thundurus-T's Special Attack to allow it to muscle past common defensive pokemon while Dynamaxed, such as Zygarde, Necrozma-DM, Primal Groudon, and Arceus-Ground. Thunderbolt is the most reliable Electric-type STAB that Thundurus-T gets. Hidden Power Flying is the only option Thundurus-T gets for a Flying-type attack, also boosting its speed while Dynamaxed, to allow it to crucially outspeed common offensive threats in Zacian-C and Eternatus after a single use. Taunt is a good option for Thundurus-T, offering it greater ease in breaking Stall and Balance while affording it easier opportunities to set up against passive Pokemon such as defensive Necrozma-DM and Ferrothorn. Focus Blast is also an option to OHKO opposing Tyranitar at plus two, and also deal substantial damage to Ferrothorn once Dynamax has ended. Dark Pulse is also an option to reliably beat avoid a mindgame with Ultra Necrozma and OHKO Lunala at plus two when Dynamaxed (reverse order; OHKO'ing Lunala is more important). Sharp Beak is the best choice for an item, boosting Max Airstream to terrifying levels of power. Alternatively, Life Orb can be used to greatly improve Thundurus-T' overall power, but Life Orb's damage in tandem with the lack of significant bulk and a weakness to Stealth Rock can quickly wear Thundurus-T down, putting it in range of priority moves such as Marshadow's Spectral Thief Shadow Sneak or Mega Rayquaza's Extreme Speed (reverse order; Mega Rayquaza is much more relevant). Volt Absorb is the only available ability for Thundurus-T, but gives it the ability to Imposter-proof itself and additionally switch into Thunder from Primal Kyogre. Max Special Attack and Speed along with a Modest nature is the most optimal spread, as it provides maximum damage output while still outspeeding Yveltal and Xerneas, while additionally outspeeding the entire unboosted metagame after a single Max Airstream boost, bar Deoxys-S.

Thundurus-T is a great Pokemon to use on Sticky Web teams, as it is a very adept breaker, while also having the means to stop Defog from common users such as Ho-Oh. It appreciates the Speed drop provided by the archetype, allowing it to outspeed Zacian-C, Eternatus, and Ultra Necrozma without having to use Max Airstream first. Thundurus-T also finds a role on Balance teams, as they can weaken its checks in Primal Groudon, Zygarde-C and Arceus-Ground, while also providing it with a defensive backbone to fall back on when forced out by faster threats such as Zacian-C and Eternatus. Smeargle is a great teammate for Thundurus-T, as it provides excellent support in Sticky Web, as well as the ability to prevent opposing leads from reliably setting Stealth Rock. Its ability to impair foes with Paralysis or Sleep may also help Thundurus-T use Nasty Plot later. Offensive teammates such as Arceus-Ground, Primal Groudon and Primal Kyogre are other Pokemon that aid Thundurus-T, by being able to remove Thundurus-T's checks, while also benefiting from Sticky Web if set. On more defensive archetypes, Necrozma-DM, Ho-Oh and Zygarde-C are good teammates capable of wittling down Thundurus-T's common checks in Zacian-C, Eternatus and Ground-types. They also provide solid switch-ins to Pokemon that may overwhelm check Thundurus-T in the late-game offensively, such as Zacian-C and Eternatus. Late-game cleaners, such as Zacian-C or Ultra Necrozma, appreciate Thundurus-T's fantastic wallbreaking ability, easing a potential sweep towards the end of the match.

[CREDITS]
- Written by: [[MDB, 444201], [Chloe, 262044]]
- Quality checked by: [[bigtalk, 466663], [username2, userid2]]
- Grammar checked by: [[username1, userid1]]
Well done, I had relatively little to add
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thank you, implementing everything except "avoid a mindgame with" since it isn't a good thing to say in an analysis.

will post in gp queue now.
 

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[SET]
name: Dynamax Wallbreaker
move 1: Nasty Plot
move 2: Thunderbolt
move 3: Hidden Power Flying
move 4: Taunt / Focus Blast
item: Sharp Beak / Life Orb
ability: Volt Absorb
nature: Modest
evs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Thundurus-T is a deadly pokemon in the Anything Goes metagame while under the effects of Dynamax. Its strong great offensive typing, high Special Attack, and good speed make it a fearsome wallbreaker. Nasty Plot is used to boost Thundurus-T's Special Attack to allow it Thundurus-T to muscle past common defensive pokemon while Dynamaxed, such as Zygarde, Necrozma-DM, Primal Groudon, and Arceus-Ground. Thunderbolt is the most reliable Electric-type STAB attack that Thundurus-T gets. Hidden Power Flying is the only option Thundurus-T gets for a Flying-type attack, also boosting also boosts its Thundurus-T's Speed while Dynamaxed, to allow crucially allowing it to crucially outspeed common offensive threats in Zacian-C and Eternatus after a single use. Taunt is a good option for Thundurus-T, offering it offers Thundurus-T greater ease in breaking stall and balance while affording granting it easier opportunities to set up against passive Pokemon such as defensive Necrozma-DM and Ferrothorn, (comma) whle Focus Blast is also an option allows it to OHKO opposing Tyranitar at plus two, and also after a boost and deal substantial damage to Ferrothorn. Dark Pulse is also an option to reliably beat Ultra Necrozma and OHKO Lunala at plus two after a boost when Dynamaxed. Sharp Beak is the best choice for an item, boosting Max Airstream to terrifying levels of power. Alternatively, Life Orb can be used to greatly improve Thundurus-T' overall power, but Life Orb's the recoil damage in tandem with the lack of significant bulk and a weakness to Stealth Rock can quickly wear Thundurus-T down, putting it in range of priority moves such as Mega Rayquaza's Extreme Speed or and Marshadow's Shadow Sneak. Volt Absorb is the only available ability for Thundurus-T, but notably gives it Thundurus-T the ability to Imposter-proof itself and additionally switch into Thunder from Primal Kyogre. Maximum Special Attack and Speed investment along with a Modest nature is the most optimal spread, as it provides maximum damage output while still outspeeding allowing Thundurus-T to outspeed Yveltal and Xerneas, while additionally outspeeding as well as the entire unboosted metagame bar Deoxys-S after a single Max Airstream boost, bar Deoxys-S.

Thundurus-T is a great Pokemon to use on Sticky Web teams, as it is a very adept wallbreaker, while also having and also has the means to stop Defog from common users such as Ho-Oh. It appreciates the Speed drop provided by the archetype, allowing it to outspeed Zacian-C, Eternatus, and Ultra Necrozma without having to use Max Airstream first. Thundurus-T also finds a role on balance teams, as they can weaken its checks in Primal Groudon, Zygarde-C, (AC) and Arceus-Ground (RC) while also providing it with a defensive backbone to fall back on when forced out by faster threats such as Zacian-C and Eternatus. Smeargle is a great teammate for Thundurus-T, as, in addition to Sticky Web, it also provides excellent support in Sticky Web, as well as the ability to prevent opposing leads from reliably setting Stealth Rock. Its ability to impair foes with paralysis or sleep may also help Thundurus-T use Nasty Plot later. Offensive teammates such as Arceus-Ground, Primal Groudon, (AC) and Primal Kyogre are other Pokemon that also aid Thundurus-T (RC) by being able to remove Thundurus-T's removing its checks (RC) while also benefiting from Sticky Web if it's set. On more defensive archetypes, Necrozma-DM, Ho-Oh, (AC) and Zygarde-C are good teammates capable of wittling down Thundurus-T's common checks in Zacian-C, Eternatus, (AC) and Ground-types. They also provide solid switch-ins to Pokemon that may check Thundurus-T offensively, such as Zacian-C or and Eternatus. Late-game cleaners, such as Zacian-C or and Ultra Necrozma, appreciate Thundurus-T's fantastic wallbreaking ability, easing a potential sweep towards the end of the match.

[CREDITS]
- Written by: [[MDB, 444201], [Chloe, 262044]]
- Quality checked by: [[bigtalk, 466663], [Guardsweeper, 360582]]
- Grammar checked by: [[username1, userid1]]
 

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