Thundurus-Therian [QC 1/2]

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[SET]
name: Nasty Plot (Dynamax Wallbreaker)
move 1: Nasty Plot
move 2: Thunderbolt
move 3: Hidden Power Flying
move 4: Taunt / Focus Blast / Dark Pulse
item: Sharp Beak / Life Orb
ability: Volt Absorb
nature: Modest
evs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Thundurus is a deadly pokemon in the Anything Goes metagame while under the effects of Dynamax. Its strong offensive typing, high Special Attack, and good speed make it into a fearsome breaker. Nasty Plot is used to boost Thundurus' Special Attack to allow it to muscle past common defensive pokemon when Dynamaxed, such as Zygarde, Necrozma Dusk Mane, Primal Groudon, and Arceus Ground. Thunderbolt is the most reliable Electric STAB that Thundurus-Therian gets, as the lack of accuracy with Thunder is not generally preferred, especially as the power difference is only 10 when using Max Lightning. Hidden Power Flying is the only option Thundurus gets for Flying moves, and also boosts its speed while Dynamaxed, crucially allowing it to outspeed common offensive threats such as Zacian C and Eternatus once Max Airstream has been used once. Taunt is a good option for Thundurus, offering it greater ease in breaking Stall and Balance while affording it easier opportunities to set up. Focus Blast is also an option to OHKO opposing Tyranitar at plus two, which Max Lightning fails to achieve, and also hit Ferrothorn once Dynamax has ended . Dark Pulse is also an option to avoid a mindgame with Ultra Necrozma and OHKO Lunala at plus two when Dynamaxed. It also can helpfully lower foes Special Defense when using Max Darkness, at the cost of being easier to revenge kill with Ditto. Sharp Beak is the best choice in the item slot, boosting Max Airstream to terrifying levels of power. Alternatively, Life Orb can be used to greatly improve Thundurus' overall power, but the lack of significant bulk and a weakness to Stealth Rock can make this item a liability at times, putting it in range of priority moves . Volt Absorb is the only available ability for Thundurus, but it gives it the ability to switch into Thunder from Primal Kyogre and Imposter-Proof itself. Max Special Attack and Speed along with a Modest nature is the most optimal spread, as it provides maximum damage output while still outspeeding Yveltal and Xerneas, while additionally outspeeding the entire unboosted metagame at plus one.

Thundurus is a great pokemon for webs, as it is a very adept breaker, while also having the means to stop Defog from common users such as Ho-Oh. It appreciates the speed drop provided by the archetype, allowing it to naturally outspeed Zacian C, Eternatus, and Ultra Necrozma without having to use Max Airstream first. Thundurus also finds a role on Balance teams, as the playstyle can weaken its relatively few checks and provide it opportunities to safely come in vs pokemon such as Ho-oh.
Primal Groudon is a very good partner for Thundurus, checking both Zacian and Necrozma Dusk Mane, while also threatening to OHKO Eternatus, which is important for Thundurus if it has not had the opportunity to set up yet. Thundurus can also remove annoying pokemon for Groudon, such as Zygarde, Ho-Oh if Primal Groudon lacks Rock coverage, and Yveltal. Smeargle is a solid partner as well for Thundurus, as it can set webs, which Thundurus greatly appreciates. It can also cripple Pokemon with Paralysis or Sleep. Primal Kyogre also fits on webs, and the two complement each other well. Water Spout Kyogre can pressure ground types which Thundurus cannot break through without a boost, and also weaken the problematic Primal Groudon.
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[SET]
name: Nasty Plot (Dynamax Wallbreaker)
move 1: Nasty Plot
move 2: Thunderbolt
move 3: Hidden Power Flying
move 4: Taunt / Dark Pulse / Focus Blast Focus Blast / Dark Pulse
item: Sharp Beak / Life Orb
ability: Volt Absorb
nature: Modest
evs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Thundurus is one of the most a don't overhype deadly pokemon in the Anything Goes metagame while under the effects of Dynamax. Its strong offensive typing, key resistances, this isn't a mon that can take hits high Special Attack, and good speed make it into a fearsome breaker. Nasty Plot is used to boost Thundurus' Special Attack to allow it to muscle past common defensive pokemon when Dynamaxed, such as Zygarde, Necrozma Dusk Mane, Primal Groudon, and Arceus Ground. Thunderbolt is the most reliable Electric STAB that Thundurus-Therian gets, as the lack of accuracy with Thunder is not generally preferred, especially as the power difference is only 10 when using Max Lightning. Hidden Power Flying is the only option Thundurus gets for Flying moves, and also boosts its speed under Dynamax, crucially allowing it to outspeed common offensive threats like? once Max Airstream has been used once. Taunt is a good option for Thundurus, offering it greater ease in breaking Stall and Balance while affording it easier opportunities to set up. move the following sentence after focus blast to match slash order Dark Pulse is also an option to ensure both Specially Defensive Dusk Mane nope, tbolt always hits dusk mane for equal or more dmg; the main reason is to avoid a mindgame with ultra and Lunala are OHKOed +2 dark pulse doesn't ohko lunala, you need to run lo or use the max move at plus two, and helpfully lowers foes' Special Defense with Max Darkness, but provides very little support outside of that and makes it easier to revenge kill with Ditto. Focus Blast is also an option to hit Ferrothorn and Ground-types hard once Dynamax has ended and deal with Tyranitar much easier be specific here OHKO Tyranitar at +2, which Max Lightning can't achieve, however it does almost nothing else. Sharp Beak is the best choice in the item slot, boosting Max Airstream to terrifying levels of power. Alternatively, Life Orb can be used to greatly improve Thundurus' overall power, but the lack of significant bulk and a weakness to Stealth Rock can make this item a liability at times, putting it in KO range of priority attacks. Volt Absorb is the only available ability for Thundurus, but it gives it the ability to switch into potential Thunder Waves, this isn't on the standard set of most pokemon Wild Charge from Zacian, this can go wrong a thousand different ways: they could have sub or sd or play rough or crunch, or you've taken a small amt of chip and aren't able to survive the follow-up move, etc Thunder from Primal Kyogre and Imposter-Proof itself. Max Special Attack and Speed along with a Modest nature is the most optimal spread, as it provides maximum damage output while still outspeeding Yveltal and Xerneas, while additionally outspeeding the entire unboosted metagame at plus one.

Thundurus is a great pokemon for webs, as it is a very adept breaker, while also having the means to stop Defog from common users like Ho-Oh. It appreciates the speed drop provided by the archetype, allowing it to naturally outspeed Zacian, Eternatus, and Ultra Necrozma without having to use Max Airstream first. list other pokemon that fit on webs teams, ie. smeargle to set webs, water spout pogre to pressure ground-types / weaken pdon which thundurus cannot break thru without boosting Thundurus also finds a role on Balance teams, as the playstyle can weaken its relatively few checks and provide it opportunities to safely come in vs pokemon such as Ho-oh.
Primal Groudon is a very good partner for Thundurus, checking both Zacian and Necrozma Dusk Mane, while also threatening to OHKO Eternatus, which is important for Thundurus if it has not had the opportunity to set up yet. Thundurus can also remove annoying pokemon for Groudon, such as Zygarde, Ho-Oh if Primal Groudon lacks Rock coverage, and Yveltal. 1 partner is not enough; list more examples
[CREDITS]
- Written by: [MDB, 444201]]
- Quality checked by: [[username1, userid1], [username2, userid2]]
- Grammar checked by: [[username1, userid1]]
QC 1/2, nice work :blobthumbsup:

By the way, please make sure that all mentions of Zacian are changed to Zacian-C. I didn't bother doing it for the Yveltal analysis because I assumed the GP people would pick up on it, but just in case.
 

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[SET]
name: Nasty Plot (Dynamax Wallbreaker)
move 1: Nasty Plot
move 2: Thunderbolt
move 3: Hidden Power Flying
move 4: Taunt / Dark Pulse / Focus Blast Focus Blast / Dark Pulse
item: Sharp Beak / Life Orb
ability: Volt Absorb
nature: Modest
evs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Thundurus is one of the most a don't overhype deadly pokemon in the Anything Goes metagame while under the effects of Dynamax. Its strong offensive typing, key resistances, this isn't a mon that can take hits high Special Attack, and good speed make it into a fearsome breaker. Nasty Plot is used to boost Thundurus' Special Attack to allow it to muscle past common defensive pokemon when Dynamaxed, such as Zygarde, Necrozma Dusk Mane, Primal Groudon, and Arceus Ground. Thunderbolt is the most reliable Electric STAB that Thundurus-Therian gets, as the lack of accuracy with Thunder is not generally preferred, especially as the power difference is only 10 when using Max Lightning. Hidden Power Flying is the only option Thundurus gets for Flying moves, and also boosts its speed under Dynamax, crucially allowing it to outspeed common offensive threats like? once Max Airstream has been used once. Taunt is a good option for Thundurus, offering it greater ease in breaking Stall and Balance while affording it easier opportunities to set up. move the following sentence after focus blast to match slash order Dark Pulse is also an option to ensure both Specially Defensive Dusk Mane nope, tbolt always hits dusk mane for equal or more dmg; the main reason is to avoid a mindgame with ultra and Lunala are OHKOed +2 dark pulse doesn't ohko lunala, you need to run lo or use the max move at plus two, and helpfully lowers foes' Special Defense with Max Darkness, but provides very little support outside of that and makes it easier to revenge kill with Ditto. Focus Blast is also an option to hit Ferrothorn and Ground-types hard once Dynamax has ended and deal with Tyranitar much easier be specific here OHKO Tyranitar at +2, which Max Lightning can't achieve, however it does almost nothing else. Sharp Beak is the best choice in the item slot, boosting Max Airstream to terrifying levels of power. Alternatively, Life Orb can be used to greatly improve Thundurus' overall power, but the lack of significant bulk and a weakness to Stealth Rock can make this item a liability at times, putting it in KO range of priority attacks. Volt Absorb is the only available ability for Thundurus, but it gives it the ability to switch into potential Thunder Waves, this isn't on the standard set of most pokemon Wild Charge from Zacian, this can go wrong a thousand different ways: they could have sub or sd or play rough or crunch, or you've taken a small amt of chip and aren't able to survive the follow-up move, etc Thunder from Primal Kyogre and Imposter-Proof itself. Max Special Attack and Speed along with a Modest nature is the most optimal spread, as it provides maximum damage output while still outspeeding Yveltal and Xerneas, while additionally outspeeding the entire unboosted metagame at plus one.

Thundurus is a great pokemon for webs, as it is a very adept breaker, while also having the means to stop Defog from common users like Ho-Oh. It appreciates the speed drop provided by the archetype, allowing it to naturally outspeed Zacian, Eternatus, and Ultra Necrozma without having to use Max Airstream first. list other pokemon that fit on webs teams, ie. smeargle to set webs, water spout pogre to pressure ground-types / weaken pdon which thundurus cannot break thru without boosting Thundurus also finds a role on Balance teams, as the playstyle can weaken its relatively few checks and provide it opportunities to safely come in vs pokemon such as Ho-oh.
Primal Groudon is a very good partner for Thundurus, checking both Zacian and Necrozma Dusk Mane, while also threatening to OHKO Eternatus, which is important for Thundurus if it has not had the opportunity to set up yet. Thundurus can also remove annoying pokemon for Groudon, such as Zygarde, Ho-Oh if Primal Groudon lacks Rock coverage, and Yveltal. 1 partner is not enough; list more examples
[CREDITS]
- Written by: [MDB, 444201]]
- Quality checked by: [[username1, userid1], [username2, userid2]]
- Grammar checked by: [[username1, userid1]]
QC 1/2, nice work :blobthumbsup:

By the way, please make sure that all mentions of Zacian are changed to Zacian-C. I didn't bother doing it for the Yveltal analysis because I assumed the GP people would pick up on it, but just in case.
Implemented all besides Focus Blast hitting ground types, Plus Two HP flying barely does less and the bad accuracy of Fblast makes it a p bad option to click when dmax is over. Ready for QC 2/2!
 

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[SET]
name: Nasty Plot (Dynamax Wallbreaker)
move 1: Nasty Plot
move 2: Thunderbolt
move 3: Hidden Power Flying
move 4: Taunt / Focus Blast / Dark Pulse This is much less useful than the alternatives
item: Sharp Beak / Life Orb
ability: Volt Absorb
nature: Modest
evs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Thundurus is a deadly pokemon in the Anything Goes metagame while under the effects of Dynamax. Its strong offensive typing, high Special Attack, and good speed make it into a fearsome breaker. Nasty Plot is used to boost Thundurus' Special Attack to allow it to muscle past common defensive pokemon when Dynamaxed, such as Zygarde, Necrozma Dusk Mane, Primal Groudon, and Arceus Ground. Thunderbolt is the most reliable Electric STAB that Thundurus-Therian gets, as the lack of accuracy with Thunder is not generally preferred, especially as the power difference is only 10 when using Max Lightning (While this is true, it's not the kind of information analysis readers are looking for). Hidden Power Flying is the only option Thundurus gets for Flying moves, and also boosts its speed while Dynamaxed, crucially allowing it to outspeed common offensive threats such as Zacian C and Eternatus once Max Airstream has been used once. (It is also notable to state the fact that Max Airstream allows it to break Ground-types, such as Primal Groudon, Arceus-Ground and Zygarde-C). Taunt is a good option for Thundurus, offering it greater ease in breaking Stall and Balance while affording it easier opportunities to set up against the likes of?. Focus Blast is also an option to OHKO opposing Tyranitar at plus two, which Max Lightning fails to achieve, and also hit Ferrothorn once Dynamax has ended . Dark Pulse is also an option to avoid a mindgame with Ultra Necrozma and OHKO Lunala at plus two when Dynamaxed. It also can helpfully lower foes Special Defense when using Max Darkness, at the cost of being easier to revenge kill with Ditto. Sharp Beak is the best choice in the item slot, boosting Max Airstream to terrifying levels of power. Alternatively, Life Orb can be used to greatly improve Thundurus' overall power, but the lack of significant bulk and a weakness to Stealth Rock can make this item a liability at times quickly wear Thundurus-T down, putting it in range of priority moves from the likes of?. Volt Absorb is the only available ability for Thundurus, but it gives it the ability to switch into Thunder from Primal Kyogre and Imposter-Proof itself (switch the order; the fact that Volt Absorb Imposter-proofs itself is much more important). Max Special Attack and Speed along with a Modest nature is the most optimal spread, as it provides maximum damage output while still outspeeding Yveltal and Xerneas, while additionally outspeeding the entire unboosted metagame at plus one (Deoxys-S isn't outsped).

Thundurus is a great pokemon for webs, as it is a very adept breaker, while also having the means to stop Defog from common users such as Ho-Oh. It appreciates the speed drop provided by the archetype, allowing it to naturally outspeed Zacian C, Eternatus, and Ultra Necrozma without having to use Max Airstream first. Thundurus also finds a role on Balance teams, as the playstyle can weaken its relatively few checks which? and provide it opportunities to safely come in vs pokemon such as Ho-oh how so?. (It is better to phrase it as 'can weaken its relatively few checks in Primal Groudon, Zygarde-C and Arceus-Ground, while also providing it with a defensive backbone to fall back on when forced out by faster threats such as Zacian-C and Eternatus')

Primal Groudon is a very good partner for Thundurus, checking both Zacian and Necrozma Dusk Mane checking NDM is hardly relevant for Thundurus-T, while also threatening to OHKO forcing out Eternatus, which is important for Thundurus otherwise struggles against if it has not had the opportunity to set up yet. Thundurus can also remove annoying pokemon for Groudon, such as Zygarde, Ho-Oh if Primal Groudon lacks Rock coverage, and Yveltal. Smeargle is a solid partner as well for Thundurus, as it can set webs, which Thundurus greatly appreciates (Smeargle should be mentioned first). It can also cripple Pokemon with Paralysis or Sleep, providing Thundurus-T with setup opportunities. Primal Kyogre also fits on webs, and the two complement each other well. Water Spout Primal Kyogre can pressure ground types which Thundurus cannot break through without a boost, and also weaken the problematic Primal Groudon (You said they complement each other, so mention what Thundurus-T does for Primal Kyogre i.e. pressuring Primal Groudon/Ferrothorn).

The italicized paragraph needs to be rewritten, as it is not coherent order- and contentwise.

Mention good teammates in Sticky Web offense first, as that is often where you would expect to find Thundurus-T in the first place. Be sure to focus on Pokemon that can set Sticky Webs and Pokemon that break through Thundurus-T's checks in this part (most notably Smeargle and Primal Kyogre as you have already stated).

Then mention good teammates in Balance. In this part, focus on Pokemon that can switch into threats that force Thundurus-T out, such as Zacian-C, Eternatus, Ground-types and Mega Rayquaza (good examples would be Necrozma-DM, Ho-Oh and Zygarde-C). Also focus on late-game cleaners that can take advantage of Thundurus-T's wallbreaking, such as Zacian-C and Ultra Necrozma.
[CREDITS]
- Written by: [MDB, 444201]]
- Quality checked by: [[bigtalk, 466663], [username2, userid2]]
- Grammar checked by: [[username1, userid1]]
Implement these and take the final comment into account, before I go over it again and give you the last stamp.

Also be sure to replace all mentions of 'Thundurus' with 'Thundurus-T'
 

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