NOC Town of Salem 2 Mafia: Revival - WON BY THE MAFIA AND THE WITCH

oh celever already announced i dont have to
thanks celly!

Transporter
N1

Transported roxie & DBD.
Failed.

N2
Transported Celever & Lechen.

N3
Transported ECat & AirC.

Trapper
N1

Set up trap at Jalmont's door.

N2
Disarmed trap.

N3
Set up trap at HyHy's door.
Targeted Celever instead due to transport.
Was transported.

Transporter
N1

Transported roxie & HyHy.

N2
Transported Alice & Miyami.

N3
Transported HyHy & Celever.
Was transported.

N4
Transported ECat & DBD.
Was transported.


Investigator
N1

Targeted AG.
Target is in: Escort/Transporter/Consort/Hypnotist/Investigator/Consigliere/Tracker.
Was transported.

N2
Targeted Miyami.
Targeted Alice instead due to transport.
Target is in: Escort/Transporter/Consort/Hypnotist/Investigator/Consigliere/Tracker.

N3
Targeted Jalmont.
Target is in: Janitor/Retributionist/Trapper/Doctor/Disguiser/Serial Killer/Bouncer/Scarecrow.
Was transported.

N4
Targeted Evie.
Targeted Miyami instead due to transport.
Was controlled by a witch.
Target is in: Vigilante/Veteran/Mafioso/Ambusher/Poacher/Psychic.

Claim: Investigator

N1

Targeted roxie.
Targeted Hyhy instead due to transport.
Target is in: Escort/Transporter/Consort/Hypnotist/Investigator/Consigliere/Tracker.

N2
Targeted ECat.
Target is in: Escort/Transporter/Consort/Hypnotist/Investigator/Consigliere/Tracker.
Was transported.

N3
Targeted Lechen.
Target is in: Sheriff/Werewolf/Sicario/Spy//Lookout/Forger/Juggernaut//Witch/Recon/Archer.

N4
Targeted ECat.
Targeted DBD instead due to transport.
Target is in: Sheriff/Werewolf/Sicario/Spy//Lookout/Forger/Juggernaut//Witch/Recon/Archer.

Claim: Veteran
N1

Alert.

N2
Unalert.
Was transported.

N3
Alert.
Was transported.

N4
Unalert.

Claim: Lookout
N1

Targeted roxie.
Targeted HyHy instead due to transport.
Alice and roxie targeted HyHy.

N2
Targeted AG.
No one targeted AG.

N3
Targeted Alice.
No one targeted Alice.
Was transported.

N4
Targeted Alice.
No one targeted Alice.
Was transported.

Claim: Doctor
N1

Healed Lechen.

N2
Healed Celever.
Healed Lechen instead due to transport.
Was controlled by a witch.

N3
Healed joey.
Targeted DBD instead due to transport.

N4
Healed HyHy.

Claim: Tracker
N1

Targeted HyHy.
Targeted roxie instead due to transport.
roxie targeted HyHy.

N2
Targeted Jalmont.
Jalmont targeted DBD.

N3
Targeted Miyami.
Miyami did not target anyone.
Was transported.

N4
Targeted Celever.
Celever did not target anyone.

Claim: Psychic
N1

At least one of af/AirC/roxie is not town.

N2
At least one of DBD/Evie is town.
Was scared away by an intimidating figure.
Was transported.

N3
At least one of joey/HyHy/des is not town.

N4
At least one of HyHy/Celever is town.
Was transported.

Claim: Archer
N1

Idled.
Was distracted.

N2
Idled.
Was transported.
N3
Idled.
N4
Targeted joey.
Shot failed as too many people targeted target.

Transporter
N1

Transported roxie & af.
Failed.

N2
Transported Evie & Miyami.
Failed.

N3
Transported joey & DBD.

N4
Transported Evie & Miyami.
Was transported.

- uhhh yeah. sorry for not townleading very well you guys. i thought it was a good idea to do this since we're mylo so. nothing to lose
- One of Lechen/Celever has to be town due to Town Killing claims
- Both have dubious claims, like how did AirC not die, and wtf happened to joey N4 to cause Lechen to fail because . too many people targeted Lechen??
- Idk I deleted a bucnh of rambling because the possibility of alice being a mole kinda nullifies them :/
- sorry again i wont be using my brain on mafia for the few hours that are left of the day for me. i will tryto contribute tomorrow. i hope you all a smart enough to solve this for it seems my brain is not for mech
when did all the info roles claim their results?
 
and more to the point, Ehmcee if Trapper targets a player that was Transported, will they be impacted by the transport.

i.e. does their "it takes all night to set the trap" and "it only becomes active the next day" etc. etc. grant it some kind of transporter immunity, either by priority or some other means?
The setting of a Trapper's trap is affected by the Transporter, it is a Priority of 9
 
ok some first analyses and thoughts:

we're in Confusion Delusion, this is the breakdown:

Town Investigative -- Hydro (99%)
Town Protective -- AirC (100%)
Town Support -- des (100%)
Transporter -- ElectricityCat (100%)
Town Investigative -- DBD (99%; was transported with ECat last night who died, verified by transporter and Alice's alleged target)
Town Killing -- Celever / Lechen (~50% but ofc FMPOV it's Celever 100% and I think there's good evidence I'm real which I can go into if desired lol)

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Is that helpful? Sort of. It means we don't have to deal with these smaller pools of claim combos and work out probabilities and stuff. All remaining town are in the 3 Random Town slots. Speaking of.

Random Town -- Evie (99%)
Random Town -- roxie (100%)

So we've got 1 left.

So the remaining players are:

Alice Kazumi (claimed investigator, easy mafia version of this in consigliere)
joey (claimed tracker, easy mafia version of this is recon)

One of these is probably the Mafia Support slot in the Confusion Delusion setup. At the very least, if mafia have been claiming roles across each other to spread more confusion, their results mean that only one of them is scum using the results of the Mafia Support role.

JALMONT (claimed doctor, common mafia fakeclaim)
Miyami (claimed psychic, pretty challenging mafia fakeclaim but possible)
Lechen (claimed archer, totally unproven and pretty easily could have been proven)

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Not to sound complacent or confident but we have an 80% shot of shooting scum, at least FMPOV. If we want to leave Lechen til last and wait for him to shoot someone (which won't happen lol), it's a 75% shot. We do not vote myself or Lechen out because one of us has to be town, that's 50% odds.

The only thing we had to do is not vote out the town between [Lechen], Alice, joey, JALMONT, and Miyami, and we are progressing forward.
can you explain to me why you are real just so I can clear that doubt from my head

why can't it's be you / lechen / one of the info roles
 
why did we clear hyhy again can someone refresh my memory. also who exactly was "in charge" of all the info can we get that clarified

I've looked at this game for an hour plus and my brain hurts so I'm out for the night. I think a lot of what celever makes sense and it's probably correct that we leave him/lechen alive for last. I'm fine with that logic but my main concern is that I do fear a scum!celever world who just says a lot of things (as celever is #1 of people in the game out of people who are good at talking) and we end up on the one town so I'd really like to avoid that possibility. I'm particularly interested in the answer to the question of when the info roles claimed their results as I think that could be a strong clue of who in that group is definitively lying

sorry for being totally useless. zzz.
 
I'm agreeing with most of what Cel said and I do have more thoughts but doesn't AirC targeting Cel n3 implicate Cel? I don't see an out for that
 
can you explain to me why you are real just so I can clear that doubt from my head

why can't it's be you / lechen / one of the info roles
well it can't be both me and Lechen because we're definitely in setup 3 (Confusion Delusion) and town always gets a Town Killing role in that setup. Me and Lechen are the only Town Killing claims, so one of us is town with the exception that a member of the town has fakeclaimed a different role

as for the evidence I have, I knew that no one targeted me N1 (claimed as such to Hydro in an albeit goofy way but it's clear I knew) which is part of it, but by far the biggest evidence is that Lechen hasn't killed anyone yet because his role is way easier to execute a kill with (you just shoot them lol, the number of claimed idles is WILD when shooting someone proves you town).

There's a universe where me / Lechen are town and both of us suck at killing people but it means that joey or Alice have pulled off a tracker or investigator safeclaim successfully without the actual results from a mafia ability and that would be impressive though not impossible.

Both of these are why I think solving Lechen / me last makes sense in addition to the maths of it all, because I think if Lechen never manages to shoot someone we can be pretty confident they're mafia. It's not like mafia has a roleblocker lol
 
I'm agreeing with most of what Cel said and I do have more thoughts but doesn't AirC targeting Cel n3 implicate Cel? I don't see an out for that
the out is AirC targeted someone else which is what it is, it's not ideal but I think if the entire PoE starts pushing me over that (which seems to be what this post is preparing for) it tells us more than the goofy AirC result
 
0 people have claimed to target joey last night and Lechen claimed his ability failed specifically because 2 players other than himself targeted joey

so either half the scumteam targeted joey or Lechen is lying about that

both of the Town Killing roles have a dumb "someone should've died" result and one of us is town
 
the out is AirC targeted someone else which is what it is, it's not ideal but I think if the entire PoE starts pushing me over that (which seems to be what this post is preparing for) it tells us more than the goofy AirC result
I don't know if you're the smartest vote for today because I agree with your Poe (with you included in the Poe and me removed from my pov obviously). But I'm majorly confused and questioning right now because in a world where you are mafia I'm having a hard time coming up with an explanation for me agreeing with you
 
0 people have claimed to target joey last night and Lechen claimed his ability failed specifically because 2 players other than himself targeted joey

so either half the scumteam targeted joey or Lechen is lying about that

both of the Town Killing roles have a dumb "someone should've died" result and one of us is town
Well I think yours at the moment is "a townie lied to town leader l" while lechen's is "an evil visited my target"
 
Well I think yours at the moment is "a townie lied to town leader l" while lechen's is "an evil visited my target"
Lechen's is two evils visited the target

and whoever is backing Alice or yours information didn't do that because they didn't claim a result based on you

and one of the remaining mafia is Mafia Killing and you're not dead

so...
 
well it can't be both me and Lechen because we're definitely in setup 3 (Confusion Delusion) and town always gets a Town Killing role in that setup. Me and Lechen are the only Town Killing claims, so one of us is town with the exception that a member of the town has fakeclaimed a different role

as for the evidence I have, I knew that no one targeted me N1 (claimed as such to Hydro in an albeit goofy way but it's clear I knew) which is part of it, but by far the biggest evidence is that Lechen hasn't killed anyone yet because his role is way easier to execute a kill with (you just shoot them lol, the number of claimed idles is WILD when shooting someone proves you town).

There's a universe where me / Lechen are town and both of us suck at killing people but it means that joey or Alice have pulled off a tracker or investigator safeclaim successfully without the actual results from a mafia ability and that would be impressive though not impossible.

Both of these are why I think solving Lechen / me last makes sense in addition to the maths of it all, because I think if Lechen never manages to shoot someone we can be pretty confident they're mafia. It's not like mafia has a roleblocker lol
can lechen be witch? why would he try and flash wagon his teammate with 10 minutes to go

that seems like a crazy play on day 1. I would probably town him off that if not for the fact that you're right in which we can just leave you two alone for now. I need to reread his claim
 
can lechen be witch? why would he try and flash wagon his teammate with 10 minutes to go

that seems like a crazy play on day 1. I would probably town him off that if not for the fact that you're right in which we can just leave you two alone for now. I need to reread his claim
there's evidence to support Lechen!witch, which is that Alice claimed an investigator result on him that includes witch

so it's certainly possible

my trouble with it is Archer is a godawful claim for a witch. it's a bad claim for mafia too, to be fair, but mafia have more reason to claim a role that's bad for them because it can potentially cause some damage while alive. In this case, maybe they felt it was necessary to claim a town killing role of some description because they would've been able to work out we were in confusion delusion from the start based on their own roles I assume, and town are ensured a town killing.

If no one else claimed town killing besides me I'd have been conftown as soon as we all claimed to Hydro

a witch has no reason to do that kind of strategy, because with the "survive" wincon at some point it gets caught in a lie when someone doesn't die that should've
 
there's evidence to support Lechen!witch, which is that Alice claimed an investigator result on him that includes witch

so it's certainly possible

my trouble with it is Archer is a godawful claim for a witch. it's a bad claim for mafia too, to be fair, but mafia have more reason to claim a role that's bad for them because it can potentially cause some damage while alive. In this case, maybe they felt it was necessary to claim a town killing role of some description because they would've been able to work out we were in confusion delusion from the start based on their own roles I assume, and town are ensured a town killing.

If no one else claimed town killing besides me I'd have been conftown as soon as we all claimed to Hydro

a witch has no reason to do that kind of strategy, because with the "survive" wincon at some point it gets caught in a lie when someone doesn't die that should've
yea I don't really understand what lechen is trying to accomplish so I'm going to forget about him

of course I say that but then that nagging voice in my head reminds me that maybe it's you and you're trying to confuse me. must stay strong to resist the voices...
 
it's very embarrassing I mixed up bodyguard and doctor because to me bodyguard = doctor because that's how it is on Smogon.com (or at least was circa 2012)

as I pointed out in pm HEALING does not protect against DEATH but you know no one consulted me
oh yeah that tracks lmao

this is one of few games where circa 2012 players still calling doc BG could cause confusion
 
I have a crackpot theory actually

Tell me if this is stupid or disproven somehow

Nobody claimed witched day 1, this means that either an evil was witched and didn't claim it or Roxie was witched and died.

If we consider the world where Roxie was witched n1, they could be any visiting role and don't have to be doctor

I think this opens up several possibilities but the one on my mind is this:

Roxie was Archer. We know DBD, Alice, and Roxie all visited the same target so that would result in no Archer kill. Celever and Lechen are BOTH fakeclaiming TK because they know that no matter what one of them is going to be cleared when the other flips evil, because there has to be a TK

This explains why both Lechen and Celever seem to have results that have direct contradictions with the other actions
 
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