when did all the info roles claim their results?
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NOC Town of Salem 2 Mafia: Revival - WON BY THE MAFIA AND THE WITCH
- Thread starter Ehmcee
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The setting of a Trapper's trap is affected by the Transporter, it is a Priority of 9
can you explain to me why you are real just so I can clear that doubt from my head
why can't it's be you / lechen / one of the info roles
why did we clear hyhy again can someone refresh my memory. also who exactly was "in charge" of all the info can we get that clarified
I've looked at this game for an hour plus and my brain hurts so I'm out for the night. I think a lot of what celever makes sense and it's probably correct that we leave him/lechen alive for last. I'm fine with that logic but my main concern is that I do fear a scum!celever world who just says a lot of things (as celever is #1 of people in the game out of people who are good at talking) and we end up on the one town so I'd really like to avoid that possibility. I'm particularly interested in the answer to the question of when the info roles claimed their results as I think that could be a strong clue of who in that group is definitively lying
sorry for being totally useless. zzz.
I've looked at this game for an hour plus and my brain hurts so I'm out for the night. I think a lot of what celever makes sense and it's probably correct that we leave him/lechen alive for last. I'm fine with that logic but my main concern is that I do fear a scum!celever world who just says a lot of things (as celever is #1 of people in the game out of people who are good at talking) and we end up on the one town so I'd really like to avoid that possibility. I'm particularly interested in the answer to the question of when the info roles claimed their results as I think that could be a strong clue of who in that group is definitively lying
sorry for being totally useless. zzz.
well it can't be both me and Lechen because we're definitely in setup 3 (Confusion Delusion) and town always gets a Town Killing role in that setup. Me and Lechen are the only Town Killing claims, so one of us is town with the exception that a member of the town has fakeclaimed a different role
as for the evidence I have, I knew that no one targeted me N1 (claimed as such to Hydro in an albeit goofy way but it's clear I knew) which is part of it, but by far the biggest evidence is that Lechen hasn't killed anyone yet because his role is way easier to execute a kill with (you just shoot them lol, the number of claimed idles is WILD when shooting someone proves you town).
There's a universe where me / Lechen are town and both of us suck at killing people but it means that joey or Alice have pulled off a tracker or investigator safeclaim successfully without the actual results from a mafia ability and that would be impressive though not impossible.
Both of these are why I think solving Lechen / me last makes sense in addition to the maths of it all, because I think if Lechen never manages to shoot someone we can be pretty confident they're mafia. It's not like mafia has a roleblocker lol
the out is AirC targeted someone else which is what it is, it's not ideal but I think if the entire PoE starts pushing me over that (which seems to be what this post is preparing for) it tells us more than the goofy AirC result
0 people have claimed to target joey last night and Lechen claimed his ability failed specifically because 2 players other than himself targeted joey
so either half the scumteam targeted joey or Lechen is lying about that
both of the Town Killing roles have a dumb "someone should've died" result and one of us is town
so either half the scumteam targeted joey or Lechen is lying about that
both of the Town Killing roles have a dumb "someone should've died" result and one of us is town
I don't know if you're the smartest vote for today because I agree with your Poe (with you included in the Poe and me removed from my pov obviously). But I'm majorly confused and questioning right now because in a world where you are mafia I'm having a hard time coming up with an explanation for me agreeing with you
Well I think yours at the moment is "a townie lied to town leader l" while lechen's is "an evil visited my target"
Lechen's is two evils visited the target
and whoever is backing Alice or yours information didn't do that because they didn't claim a result based on you
and one of the remaining mafia is Mafia Killing and you're not dead
so...
Am I misunderstanding archer? Doesn't it not shoot if someone else visits the same target
if someone else visits the target it shoots whoever visits instead of the target, if TWO people visit the target it doesn't shoot
can lechen be witch? why would he try and flash wagon his teammate with 10 minutes to go
that seems like a crazy play on day 1. I would probably town him off that if not for the fact that you're right in which we can just leave you two alone for now. I need to reread his claim
there's evidence to support Lechen!witch, which is that Alice claimed an investigator result on him that includes witch
so it's certainly possible
my trouble with it is Archer is a godawful claim for a witch. it's a bad claim for mafia too, to be fair, but mafia have more reason to claim a role that's bad for them because it can potentially cause some damage while alive. In this case, maybe they felt it was necessary to claim a town killing role of some description because they would've been able to work out we were in confusion delusion from the start based on their own roles I assume, and town are ensured a town killing.
If no one else claimed town killing besides me I'd have been conftown as soon as we all claimed to Hydro
a witch has no reason to do that kind of strategy, because with the "survive" wincon at some point it gets caught in a lie when someone doesn't die that should've
interesting indirect defense of ag here
do you play a lot of mafia?
and then vote change to the leading wagon near deadline
yea I don't really understand what lechen is trying to accomplish so I'm going to forget about him
of course I say that but then that nagging voice in my head reminds me that maybe it's you and you're trying to confuse me. must stay strong to resist the voices...
it's very embarrassing I mixed up bodyguard and doctor because to me bodyguard = doctor because that's how it is on Smogon.com (or at least was circa 2012)
as I pointed out in pm HEALING does not protect against DEATH but you know no one consulted me
oh yeah that tracks lmao
this is one of few games where circa 2012 players still calling doc BG could cause confusion
I have a crackpot theory actually
Tell me if this is stupid or disproven somehow
Nobody claimed witched day 1, this means that either an evil was witched and didn't claim it or Roxie was witched and died.
If we consider the world where Roxie was witched n1, they could be any visiting role and don't have to be doctor
I think this opens up several possibilities but the one on my mind is this:
Roxie was Archer. We know DBD, Alice, and Roxie all visited the same target so that would result in no Archer kill. Celever and Lechen are BOTH fakeclaiming TK because they know that no matter what one of them is going to be cleared when the other flips evil, because there has to be a TK
This explains why both Lechen and Celever seem to have results that have direct contradictions with the other actions
Tell me if this is stupid or disproven somehow
Nobody claimed witched day 1, this means that either an evil was witched and didn't claim it or Roxie was witched and died.
If we consider the world where Roxie was witched n1, they could be any visiting role and don't have to be doctor
I think this opens up several possibilities but the one on my mind is this:
Roxie was Archer. We know DBD, Alice, and Roxie all visited the same target so that would result in no Archer kill. Celever and Lechen are BOTH fakeclaiming TK because they know that no matter what one of them is going to be cleared when the other flips evil, because there has to be a TK
This explains why both Lechen and Celever seem to have results that have direct contradictions with the other actions