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QC: Shrang, Furai , Melee Mewtwo
GP: GatoDelFuego, Melvni
Palkia is ready to be uploaded.
Pink and Proud
Credits goes to kebabe for originally coming up with this.
[SET]
name: Trick Room
move 1: Trick Room
move 2: Spacial Rend
move 3: Hydro Pump / Surf
move 4: Fire Blast / Thunder
item: Lustrous Orb
nature: Quiet
evs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpA
ivs: 0 Spe
[SET COMMENTS]
<p>While Palkia does have a high base Speed for Ubers, it simply isn't high enough to sweep teams. Trick Room, although meant for much slower Pokemon, helps Palkia control Speed. With 0 Speed IVs and a Quiet nature, Palkia can "outspeed" all base 75s under Trick Room. This enables Palkia to outspeed all the base 90 Dragon-types that roam the tier, such as Zekrom and Reshiram. The rest of the moves help Palkia sweep when it sets up Trick Room. Spacial Rend is a strong, reliable STAB move that 2HKOes anything that doesn't resist it and isn't named Chansey. Hydro Pump boosted in the rain and by Lustrous Orb is a frightening move to face, OHKOing even 252 HP neutral Arceus formes and Lugia after Stealth Rock. Surf is a more reliable option but loses many OHKOs that Hydro Pump could achieve. The final choice comes down to which walls you want to harass more. Fire Blast OHKOes Ferrothorn in the rain after it has taken a Surf but is largely useless outside of that. Thunder deals massive damage to defensive Kyogre, which avoids getting 2HKOed by Spacial Rend, but it comes with a chance to paralyze enemies, which might hurt Palkia if it has used Trick Room.</p>
[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]
<p>Palkia uses a spread of 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpA to make itself bulky and strong at the same time, but there are some alternative spreads that are also viable. For instance, if you want to use a physical move like Outrage to better hurt Chansey and defensive Kyogre, then a spread of 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 SpA with a Quiet nature can be used to maximize the damage output of Outrage.</p>
<p>Palkia appreciates teammates that can provide entry hazard support so that its enemies can be weakened. In fact, after taking Stealth Rock damage, Palkia's Hydro Pump OHKOs Great Wall Lugia and 252 HP Support Arceus hit neutally by Palkia's Hydro Pump! Deoxys-A, Deoxys-S, Forretress, and Ferrothorn, thus, are great partners for Palkia as they can setup Stealth Rock and Spikes to whittle away at the enemy's health. Ferrothorn and Forretress in particular excel at this job due to their great synergy with Palkia. As an added bonus, Palkia can absorb Fire-type attacks fired at the two and use Trick Room to let them and itself move first. Forretress can also wall enemy Ferrothorn that threaten Palkia. Kyogre is a great partner for Palkia, too. It not only boosts the power of Hydro Pump and makes Thunder 100% accurate, but because Kyogre and Palkia share similar checks, Choice Specs Kyogre can be used to weaken opponents like Latias and Chansey down for Palkia. Pokemon that can stop Chansey, Ferrothorn, and Grass Arceus in general are great partners for Palkia. Tornadus-T, Genesect, and Scizor do an exceptionally good job at this. All three can threaten Grass Arceus with their STAB attacks and transfer momentum to Palkia with U-turn. Scizor in particular performs well at this role. Its low Speed enables it to not only help get Palkia in safely in by providing a slow U-turn but also benefit from the Trick Room Palkia sets, enabling it to hammer down walls if necessary.</p>
<p>Palkia generally relies on its good bulk and its ability to bluff another set to set up Trick Room. If you want a more reliable way to get Palkia to set up Trick Room, however, you can use Wobbuffet. Wobbuffet can easily Encore Fire- and Water-type attacks for Palkia to set up on as well as kill troublesome foes with Mirror Coat and Counter. If you do not want to use Wobbuffet, giving dual screen support to help Palkia take a hit and set up is another viable idea. Latios deserves a special mention in this role, as it can use Memento after it has set up screens to help Palkia force an enemy to switch, which is a turn Palkia can use to set up Trick Room.</p>
GP: GatoDelFuego, Melvni
Palkia is ready to be uploaded.
Pink and Proud
Credits goes to kebabe for originally coming up with this.
[SET]
name: Trick Room
move 1: Trick Room
move 2: Spacial Rend
move 3: Hydro Pump / Surf
move 4: Fire Blast / Thunder
item: Lustrous Orb
nature: Quiet
evs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpA
ivs: 0 Spe
Why it deserves to be on site:
Set Comments:
- Palkia's only way of "boosting speed", its slow enough to take advantage of TR to outspeed faster teams, can also function decently outside of it since it outspeeds stuff like Skarmory.
- Seperates itself from other stuff that can use Trick Room with Water-, Dragon- STAB. Unlike Dialga can beat support Arceus via Hydro Pump in rain.
- HP investment makes it bulky enough to setup TR at least once
- Not entirely reliant on team support, this doesn't require a team to use trick room, think of TR more as a speed boosting move. Only truly needs drizzle.
- Very hard to wall, only things that can wall are probably Chansey, Ferrothorn, and to an extent Grass Arceus. None of these can withstand much prior damage and all must be kept healthy as Hydro Pump will 2HKO Chansey + Ferro after some residual damage while Grass Arceus will be 2HKOed by Spacial Rend after some too.
- Reaches 184 Spe, p. slow, underspeeds everything unboosted, up to 12 Spe Skarmory
- Quiet + Lust Orb = strong, OHKOes stuff like 4 HP Arceus after sr. 252 HP = bulky, much better takes on Kyogre + can do some amazing stuff like take Life Orb Brave Bird from ho-oh.
Set Comments:
- Trick Room = speed boost, lets it outspeed and destroy the more offensive teams.
- Hydro Pump = STAB move of choice, Surf is more accurate but misses out on some KOes
- Thunder is palkia's strongest move against Kyogre, Fire Blast aids in taking out ferro as rain boosted surf + Fire blast 2HKO 100% of the time.
- Spacial Rend is strong, reliable STAB.
- EVs maximize HP to better aid setup, maximum Special Attack and Quiet are used to make Palkia hit as hard as possible while being as slow as possible.
- Hazard support, deo-a / deo-s for more offensive teams, ferro for the more defensive ones (also has great type synergy and palker loves to setup on choiced fire attacks)
- Kyogre b/c rain boosted hydro pump strong
- Wobba can help setup TR, but its not exactly necessary by any means
- same thing with Dual screens
- partners to weaken / remove grassceus / ferro / chansey
- Specs Ogre / Tornadus-T excel at this.
- Scizor is slow / appreciates TR and does this too.
- Genesect transfers momentum and does said act as well.
- Outrage + 252 atk is viable for trolling kyogre + chansey if your real desperate
[SET COMMENTS]
<p>While Palkia does have a high base Speed for Ubers, it simply isn't high enough to sweep teams. Trick Room, although meant for much slower Pokemon, helps Palkia control Speed. With 0 Speed IVs and a Quiet nature, Palkia can "outspeed" all base 75s under Trick Room. This enables Palkia to outspeed all the base 90 Dragon-types that roam the tier, such as Zekrom and Reshiram. The rest of the moves help Palkia sweep when it sets up Trick Room. Spacial Rend is a strong, reliable STAB move that 2HKOes anything that doesn't resist it and isn't named Chansey. Hydro Pump boosted in the rain and by Lustrous Orb is a frightening move to face, OHKOing even 252 HP neutral Arceus formes and Lugia after Stealth Rock. Surf is a more reliable option but loses many OHKOs that Hydro Pump could achieve. The final choice comes down to which walls you want to harass more. Fire Blast OHKOes Ferrothorn in the rain after it has taken a Surf but is largely useless outside of that. Thunder deals massive damage to defensive Kyogre, which avoids getting 2HKOed by Spacial Rend, but it comes with a chance to paralyze enemies, which might hurt Palkia if it has used Trick Room.</p>
[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]
<p>Palkia uses a spread of 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpA to make itself bulky and strong at the same time, but there are some alternative spreads that are also viable. For instance, if you want to use a physical move like Outrage to better hurt Chansey and defensive Kyogre, then a spread of 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 SpA with a Quiet nature can be used to maximize the damage output of Outrage.</p>
<p>Palkia appreciates teammates that can provide entry hazard support so that its enemies can be weakened. In fact, after taking Stealth Rock damage, Palkia's Hydro Pump OHKOs Great Wall Lugia and 252 HP Support Arceus hit neutally by Palkia's Hydro Pump! Deoxys-A, Deoxys-S, Forretress, and Ferrothorn, thus, are great partners for Palkia as they can setup Stealth Rock and Spikes to whittle away at the enemy's health. Ferrothorn and Forretress in particular excel at this job due to their great synergy with Palkia. As an added bonus, Palkia can absorb Fire-type attacks fired at the two and use Trick Room to let them and itself move first. Forretress can also wall enemy Ferrothorn that threaten Palkia. Kyogre is a great partner for Palkia, too. It not only boosts the power of Hydro Pump and makes Thunder 100% accurate, but because Kyogre and Palkia share similar checks, Choice Specs Kyogre can be used to weaken opponents like Latias and Chansey down for Palkia. Pokemon that can stop Chansey, Ferrothorn, and Grass Arceus in general are great partners for Palkia. Tornadus-T, Genesect, and Scizor do an exceptionally good job at this. All three can threaten Grass Arceus with their STAB attacks and transfer momentum to Palkia with U-turn. Scizor in particular performs well at this role. Its low Speed enables it to not only help get Palkia in safely in by providing a slow U-turn but also benefit from the Trick Room Palkia sets, enabling it to hammer down walls if necessary.</p>
<p>Palkia generally relies on its good bulk and its ability to bluff another set to set up Trick Room. If you want a more reliable way to get Palkia to set up Trick Room, however, you can use Wobbuffet. Wobbuffet can easily Encore Fire- and Water-type attacks for Palkia to set up on as well as kill troublesome foes with Mirror Coat and Counter. If you do not want to use Wobbuffet, giving dual screen support to help Palkia take a hit and set up is another viable idea. Latios deserves a special mention in this role, as it can use Memento after it has set up screens to help Palkia force an enemy to switch, which is a turn Palkia can use to set up Trick Room.</p>
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