Pokémon Tyranitar

[Vengeance417]

Is there any merit to running Adamant on DD Mega TTar? You speed tie with Starmie and Raikou at + 1, though neither can hurt you much. Adamant can't outrun pre-Mega Alakazam and Tornadus that Jolly can't but I think that's pretty much it. You also miss out on beating things at +0 like Bisharp and Adamant Gyarados but gain a 10% power boost.

Pretty much what ashroshagger said. I feel being able to outpace Bisharp and kill with Superpower before it can severely damage you with Iron Head or even Low Kick is extremely important.

 

[Yamborski]

I kinda feel like your post (and the numerous examples you posted) answered your own question..

Idk, kinda sounds like Adamant is viable. Tornadus is really the only thing that matters at +1 which Bisharp is the major speed point at +0.

 

[astroshagger]

Idk, kinda sounds like Adamant is viable. Tornadus is really the only thing that matters at +1 which Bisharp is the major speed point at +0.

Except it's not. I don't know why you said speed tying starmie isn't a big deal when you risk a scald burn and 30% chunked off. LO starmie does almost 75 % with hydro pump and you said "it can't do much". Torn t will slaughter you with superpower or focus blast, one of which it always carries, and weavile, an increasingly present mon slays you with low kick. Forget the bisharp stuff, there is absolutely no reason to forgo outspeeding numerous threats that can 1 or 2 hko you for a minimal and often unnecessary increase in power.

Go look at usage stats in the higher rankings. Nobody goes Adamant because it's straight up lame to still be slower than stuff even at +1. Run jolly, period.

 

[Yamborski]

Except it's not. I don't know why you said speed tying starmie isn't a big deal when you risk a scald burn and 30% chunked off. LO starmie does almost 75 % with hydro pump and you said "it can't do much". Torn t will slaughter you with superpower or focus blast, one of which it always carries, and weavile, an increasingly present mon slays you with low kick. Forget the bisharp stuff, there is absolutely no reason to forgo outspeeding numerous threats that can 1 or 2 hko you for a minimal and often unnecessary increase in power.

Go look at usage stats in the higher rankings. Nobody goes Adamant because it's straight up lame to still be slower than stuff even at +1. Run jolly, period.

You seem actually angry. Calm down, this is a video game for children.

Adamant lets TTar OHKO 64 HP Mega Altaria with Stone Edge / Ice Punch without rocks.

It gets it a OHKO on max HP Azumarill with Stone Edge without SR.

Crunch can now guarantee a OHKO on Bold Celebi with rocks, and usually do so even without.

Stone Edge guarantees a 2HKO on all Clefable, even Unaware. Jolly has a chance of only 3HKOing.

Diancie is OHKOed by +1 Adamant Stone Edge, while TTar needs to run EQ to OHKO it if it is Jolly.

Dragonite is OHKOed by Stone Edge and Ice Punch through Multiscale with Adamant, but survives 40% of the time against Jolly.

Adamant Ice Punch OHKOs Yache Garchomp while Jolly does only 6% of the time.

Stone Edge has a 37% chance to OHKO Mega Gyarados, but zero to KO when Jolly.

4 HP Heatran is KOed in one hit by +1 Adamant Stone Edge about 70% of the time, but never when it is Jolly. 252 HP Heatran has a chance to be OHKOed after SR by Stone Edge but never when Jolly.

Phys def Hippowdon is almost always 2HKOed by Ice Punch when Adamant but only 25% of the time when Jolly.

Adamant OHKOs Phys def Landorus with Ice Punch at +1 and OHKOs Scarf Landorus on the switch in at +0. Jolly can do neither without prior damage.

96 HP Manaphy is virtually guaranteed the OHKO by +1Stone Edge after rocks when Adamant, but dies less than half the time to Jolly.

Stone Edge guarantees the OHKO after rocks on Mega Manectric after Intimidate, Jolly does not (not that this matters lol, Manectric does 30% max back with Tbolt).

Crunch OHKOs Phys Def Mew when Adamant but not always when Jolly.

Adamant 2HKOs Mega Scizor with +1 Stone Edge and can 2HKO with Crunch after rocks. Jolly needs SR for Stone Edge to 2HKO and has a very low chance of doing the same with Crunch.

+1 Crunch usually 2HKOs Skarmory after SR when Adamant but Jolly has to rely on Stone Edge hitting.

Adamant +1 Crunch can OHKO Slowbro after SR. Jolly can't.

Stone Edge can OHKO max def Sylveon when Adamant, but never when Jolly.

+1 Adamant EQ OHKOs max HP Tyranitar but Jolly needs Stealth Rocks.



I don't doubt that Jolly is more reliable but don't blow off extra power on a sweeper.

 

[Random Passerby]

You seem actually angry. Calm down, this is a video game for children.

Adamant lets TTar OHKO 64 HP Mega Altaria with Stone Edge / Ice Punch without rocks. (Is 64 HP Altaria even a thing? Also, Mega Altaria will have prior damage on it since it is used to check so many stuff.)

It gets it a OHKO on max HP Azumarill with Stone Edge without SR. (Since when is 252 HP Azumarill relevant? Unless you count Clone's Sap Sipper Azumarill which can't do much to you anyway)

Crunch can now guarantee a OHKO on Bold Celebi with rocks, and usually do so even without. (Why should you need this when Celebi can't do anything to you?)

Stone Edge guarantees a 2HKO on all Clefable, even Unaware. Jolly has a chance of only 3HKOing. (Same with Altaria, this thing will have prior damage on it since it is used to check so many stuff. Also, Stealth Rock pushes this to 2HKO territory)

Diancie is OHKOed by +1 Adamant Stone Edge, while TTar needs to run EQ to OHKO it if it is Jolly. (Tyranitar still OHKOs with +1 Jolly Stone Edge, not to mention EdgeQuake is still viable to hit shit like Bisharp and have great coverage in general)

Dragonite is OHKOed by Stone Edge and Ice Punch through Multiscale with Adamant, but survives 40% of the time against Jolly. (Stealth Rock exists)

Adamant Ice Punch OHKOs Yache Garchomp while Jolly does only 6% of the time. (Nope, Offensive Garchomp dies to +1 Ice Punch even with Yache. If you are referring to Tank Chomp, can we say "Yache Berry Tank Chomp : new meta? "

Stone Edge has a 37% chance to OHKO Mega Gyarados, but zero to KO when Jolly. (Stealth Rock exists)

4 HP Heatran is KOed in one hit by +1 Adamant Stone Edge about 70% of the time, but never when it is Jolly. 252 HP Heatran has a chance to be OHKOed after SR by Stone Edge but never when Jolly. (Heatran has no recovery outside of Leftovers so it is easy to wear down, especially when it is used to check so many stuff. Also, Stealth Rock exists)

Phys def Hippowdon is almost always 2HKOed by Ice Punch when Adamant but only 25% of the time when Jolly. (Then, have Spikes support or lure for Hippowdon since it is used to check so many stuff. Also, Mixed Hippo is more relevant in this meta)

Adamant OHKOs Phys def Landorus with Ice Punch at +1 and OHKOs Scarf Landorus on the switch in at +0. Jolly can do neither without prior damage. (No recovery outside of Leftovers, used to check many stuff. Also, Stealth Rock)

96 HP Manaphy is virtually guaranteed the OHKO by +1 Stone Edge after rocks when Adamant, but dies less than half the time to Jolly. (People run more Speed on Manaphy these days because of Zard-X. So 72 HP Manaphy is the standard and it dies to +1 Jolly Stone Edge after Rocks. And you are already assuming Manaphy is at 100 % since +1 SE hits for 81% minimum )

Stone Edge guarantees the OHKO after rocks on Mega Manectric after Intimidate, Jolly does not (not that this matters lol, Manectric does 30% max back with Tbolt). (What is Mega Man going to do to it? Tickle it with Thunderbolt? )

Crunch OHKOs Phys Def Mew when Adamant but not always when Jolly. ( What? 75% chance to OHKO with Rocks not good enough for you? )

Adamant 2HKOs Mega Scizor with +1 Stone Edge and can 2HKO with Crunch after rocks. Jolly needs SR for Stone Edge to 2HKO and has a very low chance of doing the same with Crunch. (Why are you using Ttar to fight Mega Scizor again?)

+1 Crunch usually 2HKOs Skarmory after SR when Adamant but Jolly has to rely on Stone Edge hitting. (Then get rid of Skarmory or weaken it with teammates before trying to sweep with Mega Ttar when Skarm is at 100%)

Adamant +1 Crunch can OHKO Slowbro after SR. Jolly can't. (Spikes support and Offensive pressure causes it to be hard-pressed to click Slack Off. Also lures. And if you don't weaken Slowbro, how do you plan to sweep with Ttar lol )

Stone Edge can OHKO max def Sylveon when Adamant, but never when Jolly. (Spikes support. Also, Sylveon can be pressured since it relies on Wish + Protect so much (if running the Cleric variant. Specs simply dies to +1 Stone Edge)

+1 Adamant EQ OHKOs max HP Tyranitar but Jolly needs Stealth Rocks. (Tyranitar is always going to have prior damage on it since it needs to check other stuff and has no recovery outside of Leftovers. Also, SR support is basic for any team)



I don't doubt that Jolly is more reliable but don't blow off extra power on a sweeper.

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Tl, dr ; the increase in Power because of Adamant is not worth sacrificing the Speed increase of Jolly because Jolly allows you to outspeed dangerous threats such as Weavile, Starmie and Tornadus-T while Adamant's power does not do anything much worthwhile that team support or prior damage doesn't already provide.

 

[gepesek]

Jollly Mega Tyranitar maybe is more splashable on a team, tieing with potential threats as the mentioned above. However, for my experiencie playing adamant dd mega tyranitar, in the late game scenario set a dragon dance and Ttar becomes unstopable. That needs the right support team to work, wich is so easy as having a choice scarf user like moxie Heracross or Garchomp, or a T-wave users like Thundurus or Togekiss to deal with Weavile, Starmie and Tornadus. Remenber you play with six pokemon, not only one. Also, Weavile usually act as lead, and if not, are'you going to set up on is face at the risk of a low kick? No. I agree Jolly is more viable in most scenarios, but Adamant is definitively useafull for his power to break down walls easily