Gen 6 Ubers Victim of the Week (Week 32: Kyurem-White)

Dialga, Counter
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Dialga @ Leftovers / Shuca Berry
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 232 HP / 72 SpA / 180 SpD / 24 Spe
Modest Nature
- Draco Meteor
- Stealth Rock
- Metal Burst / Roar
- Thunder / Flash Cannon / whatever

Shamefully copying Steelphoenix's "efficent Shuca Dialga", as it is pretty good, imo. I put Lefties > Shuca to switch repeatedly into Genesect just for the sake of this game, but Shuca Berry should be used on this set otherwise. It has an easy time against most Genesects, espcially the scarf variant, as it pretty much needs a favourable Download boost in order to actually deal descent damage.

+1 248 Atk Genesect U-turn vs. 232 HP / 0 Def Dialga: 69-82 (17.2 - 20.5%) -- possible 7HKO after Leftovers recovery
+1 248 Atk Genesect Iron Head vs. 232 HP / 0 Def Dialga: 79-93 (19.7 - 23.3%) -- possible 6HKO after Leftovers recovery
+1 8 SpA Genesect Ice Beam vs. 232 HP / 180 SpD Dialga: 96-114 (24 - 28.5%) -- possible 5HKO after Leftovers recovery

So yeah, "possible 5HKO" if Genesect gets the SpA boost and spams Ice Beam, but this just gives Dialga so many turns to either set up rocks in its face and then 2HKO it with Metal Burst, or something. Explosion is the only thing that can deal damage, but still is not fantastic, even with the Attack boost. +1 248 Atk Genesect Explosion vs. 232 HP / 0 Def Dialga: 164-193 (41.1 - 48.3%)
steelphoenix said:
Lives +2 Groundceus Earthquake after Stealth Rock with 232 HP and Shuca Berry (+2 252 Atk Earth Plate Arceus-Ground Earthquake vs. 232 HP / 0 Def Shuca Berry Dialga: 316-373 (79.1 - 93.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock). You can then Roar it out safely for something to deal w/ it later, or Metal Burst it for the clean KO. Hell, you can even set SR on it turn 1 if you wanna. This spread also lives 2 Modest Primal Kyogre Origin Pulses after Stealth Rock (252+ SpA Primal Kyogre Origin Pulse vs. 248 HP / 180 SpD Dialga in Heavy Rain: 159-187 (39.4 - 46.4%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock). SAtk does nothing notable I think (someone else can run calcs for this if they really wanna) but it does power up Dialga's attacks to a nice level. A few excess EVs were put in speed to be faster than Primal Groudon or something
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Ghostceus as a Counter

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Arceus-Ghost @ Spooky Plate
Ability: Multitype
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Def / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Calm Mind
- Judgment
- Will-O-Wisp
- Recover

Ghostceus is only 3HKOed by Scarf Genesect after SR and three layers of Spikes (or after SR only if Genesect gained an Atk boost from Download beforehand) and can easily Recover off the damage and setup CMs in its face. Oh and it's also immune to Genesect's Explosion, which means Genesect will never be safe of using Explosion while Ghostceus is around. In return, Ghostceus can burn Genesect, 2HKO it without any CMs or OHKO it after two of them (or only one if SR are up).
+1 248 Atk Genesect U-turn vs. 248 HP / 8 Def Arceus-Ghost: 69-81 (15.5 - 18.2%) -- 99.9% chance to 4HKO after Stealth Rock and 3 layers of Spikes
+1 8 SpA Genesect Ice Beam vs. 248 HP / 0 SpD Arceus-Ghost: 98-116 (22.1 - 26.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock and 3 layers of Spikes
248 Atk Genesect Iron Head vs. 248 HP / 8 Def Arceus-Ghost: 105-124 (23.7 - 27.9%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock and 3 layers of Spikes
+1 248 Atk Genesect Iron Head vs. 248 HP / 8 Def Arceus-Ghost: 157-186 (35.4 - 41.9%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock

0 SpA Spooky Plate Arceus-Ghost Judgment vs. 0 HP / 0- SpD Genesect: 177-208 (62.5 - 73.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+1 0 SpA Spooky Plate Arceus-Ghost Judgment vs. 0 HP / 0- SpD Genesect: 262-310 (92.5 - 109.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock
+2 0 SpA Spooky Plate Arceus-Ghost Judgment vs. 0 HP / 0- SpD Genesect: 351-414 (124 - 146.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
 
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Aegislash @ Leftovers
Ability: Stance Change
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Sassy Nature
- King's Shield
- Gyro Ball
- Toxic
- Pursuit

Aegislash realistically gets U-turned on and forced out by something else, but in a vacuum it gets the job done. Doesn't take much from any of Genesect's attacks, can 3HKO/4HKO with Gyro Ball.
+1 248 Atk Genesect U-turn vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Aegislash-Shield: 28-33 (8.6 - 10.1%) -- possibly the worst move ever
+1 248 Atk Genesect Iron Head vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Aegislash-Shield: 65-77 (20 - 23.7%) -- possible 6HKO after Leftovers recovery
Genesect Explosion vs. Aegislash-Shield: 0-0 (0 - 0%) -- aim for the horn next time
+1 8 SpA Genesect Ice Beam vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Aegislash-Shield: 31-36 (9.5 - 11.1%) -- possibly the worst move ever

0 Atk Aegislash-Blade Gyro Ball (109 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Genesect: 87-103 (30.7 - 36.3%) -- 60.6% chance to 3HKO
 
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Sableye @ Sablenite
Ability: Prankster
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 SpD
Impish Nature
- Foul Play
- Will-O-Wisp
- Recover
- Fake Out

Mega Sableye can take any attack with ease, burn it with Will-O-Wisp or 2HKO it with Foul Play. Mega Sableye also carries Recover to heal up in case it suffers a critical hit or gets worn down previously.

+1 8 SpA Genesect Ice Beam vs. 248 HP / 8 SpD Mega Sableye: 101-119 (33.3 - 39.2%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
248 Atk Genesect Iron Head vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Mega Sableye: 76-91 (25 - 30%) -- guaranteed 4HKO
0 Atk Mega Sableye Foul Play vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Genesect: 153-181 (54 - 63.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
 
Week 31: Life Orb Xerneas
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Xerneas @ Life Orb
Ability: Fairy Aura
EVs: 32 Atk / 252 SpA / 224 Spe
Mild Nature
- Moonblast
- Hidden Power Ground / Aromatherapy
- Thunder / Rock Slide
- Close Combat
 
Reserving Aegislash

Aegislash @ Leftovers
Ability: Stance Change
EVs: 252 HP / 108 Atk / 12 Def / 136 SpD
Careful / Sassy Nature
- King's Shield
- Iron Head / Gyro Ball
- Pursuit
- Toxic

Not exactly the standard Aegislash, but this set looks cool, imo. Easily handles just about every Xern in existence without fail. Can Toxic, Pursuit-Trap, and is immune to Poison himslef - some useful traits this 'mon has. Against the VotW Xern, he just kills it, brutally.

252+ SpA Life Orb Xerneas Hidden Power Ground vs. 252 HP / 136+ SpD Aegislash-Shield: 112-133 (34.5 - 41%) -- guaranteed 4HKO after Poison Heal

(It says Poison Heal, because Aegislash can use King's Shield to recover just as much HP as Poison Heal would.)
 
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Mega Scizor as a Hard Check / Soft Counter

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Scizor @ Scizorite
Ability: Technician
EVs: 248 HP / 60 Atk / 200 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Bullet Punch
- Roost
- Pursuit
- Toxic / U-turn

M-Scizor can tank just about any move from LO Xerneas and 2HKO it back with Bullet Punch. Furthermore, M-Scizor has access to reliable recovery in Roost to stay healthy thoughout its matchup. However, if Xerneas were to have Thunder for its third moveslot, there would be a 81.6% chance that M-Scizor would be 2HKOed by it (which becomes about 40% when we take into account Thunder's shaky accuracy) after SR, so it can't reliably switch on that move only. Other than that, M-Scizor has plenty of tools to choose from like Pursuit, Toxic and U-turn to help out its teammates.
32 Atk Life Orb Xerneas Close Combat vs. 248 HP / 0 Def Mega Scizor: 109-129 (31.7 - 37.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock
252+ SpA Life Orb Fairy Aura Xerneas Moonblast vs. 248 HP / 200 SpD Mega Scizor: 121-144 (35.2 - 41.9%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock
252+ SpA Life Orb Xerneas Thunder vs. 248 HP / 200 SpD Mega Scizor: 143-169 (41.6 - 49.2%) -- 81.6% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock (watch out for that!)

60+ Atk Technician Mega Scizor Bullet Punch vs. 0 HP / 0- Def Xerneas: 246-290 (62.5 - 73.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
 
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Bronzong, Counter

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Bronzong @ Leftovers
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 248 HP / 4 Atk / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Sassy Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Gyro Ball
- Stealth Rock
- Toxic
- Protect

Bronzong can tank any hit that LO Xerneas wants to dish out and threatens it with Gyroball. It can set up rocks or toxic the switch in and provides utility for the team. The only thing that isnt so great about it is that it lacks reliable recovery. But with Protect it can recover some HP between turns and is also able to toxic stall. All in all it is a good Xerneas counter that is durable and provides a lot/some utility for the team.

4 Atk Bronzong Gyro Ball (115 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0- Def Xerneas: 264-312 (67.1 - 79.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252+ SpA Life Orb Fairy Aura Xerneas Moonblast vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Bronzong: 97-114 (28.6 - 33.7%) -- 97.4% chance to 4HKO after Leftovers recovery
32 Atk Life Orb Xerneas Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Bronzong: 127-151 (37.5 - 44.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
252+ SpA Life Orb Xerneas Thunder vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Bronzong: 112-133 (33.1 - 39.3%) -- 9.2% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
252+ SpA Life Orb Xerneas Hidden Power Fire vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Bronzong: 122-146 (36 - 43.1%) -- 95.6% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

These calcs dont factor in that you can protect between turns and therefore Bronzong would survive even longer.
 
Ubers unviable
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as a Soft Counter

Venusaur @ Venusaurite
Ability: Chlorophyll
EVs: 232 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 20 Spe
Modest Nature
- Giga Drain
- Sludge Bomb
- Hidden Power Fire
- Synthesis

The unviable Mega Venusaur ironically walls this specific Xerneas set by avoiding any 2HKO after rocks from any attacks. 2HKO's Xern with Sludge Bomb in return. Maybe Sleep Powder over HP Fire. Still a Ho-Oh bait though.
252+ SpA Life Orb Fairy Aura Xerneas Moonblast vs. 232 HP / 4 SpD Mega Venusaur: 126-149 (35 - 41.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock
32 Atk Life Orb Xerneas Close Combat vs. 232 HP / 0 Def Mega Venusaur: 61-71 (16.9 - 19.7%) -- possible 5HKO after Stealth Rock
252+ SpA Life Orb Xerneas Hidden Power Ground vs. 232 HP / 4 SpD Mega Venusaur: 81-96 (22.5 - 26.7%) -- guaranteed 4HKO after Stealth Rock
32 Atk Life Orb Xerneas Rock Slide vs. 232 HP / 0 Def Mega Venusaur: 77-91 (21.4 - 25.3%) -- 99.4% chance to 4HKO after Stealth Rock
252+ SpA Life Orb Xerneas Hidden Power Fire vs. 232 HP / 4 SpD Thick Fat Mega Venusaur: 83-99 (23.1 - 27.5%) -- guaranteed 4HKO after Stealth Rock
252+ SpA Life Orb Xerneas Thunder vs. 232 HP / 4 SpD Mega Venusaur: 73-87 (20.3 - 24.2%) -- 69.9% chance to 4HKO after Stealth Rock

252+ SpA Mega Venusaur Sludge Bomb vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Xerneas: 314-372 (79.8 - 94.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
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as a Check

Gengar @ Gengarite
Ability: Shadow Tag
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Destiny Bond
- Sludge Wave
- Shadow Ball
- Taunt

Standard Mega Gengar, lives any one hit if needed to fire off a strong Sludge Wave.

252 SpA Mega Gengar Sludge Wave vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Xerneas: 390-458 (99.2 - 116.5%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO
252+ SpA Life Orb Xerneas Hidden Power Ground vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Mega Gengar: 198-234 (75.5 - 89.3%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
252+ SpA Life Orb Fairy Aura Xerneas Moonblast vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Mega Gengar: 156-183 (59.5 - 69.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
 
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Lucario @ Lucarionite
Ability: Adaptability
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Close Combat
- Bullet Punch
- Stone Edge
- Iron Tail

Although Lucario cannot switch into Xerneas directly, if given a free switch, it still outspeeds and OHKO Xerneas with Iron Tail.

252 Atk Adaptability Mega Lucario Iron Tail vs. 0 HP / 0- Def Xerneas: 548-648 (139.4 - 164.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
 
Soft Check
Genesect @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Download
EVs: 248 Atk / 8 SpA / 252 Spe
Naive Nature
- U-turn
- Iron Head
- Ice Beam
- Explosion
Genesect can take any 1 of xerneas' moves after 1/2 SR switch ins and OHKO back with explosion or iron head, or gain momentum with u-turn on a predicted switch, as well as facilitate getting in a better answer. . It also takes 2 hp grounds after only 1 SR switch in more than half the time.

252+ SpA Life Orb Fairy Aura Xerneas Moonblast vs. 0 HP / 0- SpD Genesect: 173-204 (61.1 - 72%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
(173, 175, 177, 179, 181, 183, 186, 187, 190, 191, 194, 195, 198, 199, 201, 204)

252+ SpA Life Orb Xerneas Thunder vs. 0 HP / 0- SpD Genesect: 200-237 (70.6 - 83.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
(200, 203, 205, 208, 209, 212, 214, 217, 220, 222, 224, 226, 229, 231, 234, 237)

+1 248 Atk Genesect Iron Head vs. 0 HP / 0- Def Xerneas: 428-506 (108.9 - 128.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
(428, 434, 440, 444, 450, 456, 458, 464, 470, 474, 480, 486, 488, 494, 500, 506)

+1 248 Atk Genesect Explosion vs. 0 HP / 0- Def Xerneas: 447-526 (113.7 - 133.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
(447, 452, 457, 462, 468, 473, 478, 483, 489, 494, 499, 504, 510, 515, 520, 526)- Boom OHKOing something at +1 :O
 
Steel types are my thing today, apparently.

Shaky Check:

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Mawile @ Mawilite
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 248 HP / 16 Atk / 244 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Iron Head
- Play Rough
- Sucker Punch
- Baton Pass

Mega Mawile, the banned-from-OU horror, proves to be extremely underwhelming in Ubers. However, it does have a few niches, one, apparently, being this. Mawile can somewhat reliably survive HP Ground + Moonblast / Close Combat from Xerneas after Stealth Rocks post-mega evolution, and has a reasonably high chance of surviving a Thunder + HP Ground combo, taking into account Thunder's annoyingly low accuracy. In return, Iron Head puts Xerneas completely out of commission. While this seems quite awesome, Mawile can barely achieve a 9HKO on defensive Primal Groudon with Sucker Punch, so that must be played around carefully. However, outside of just checking Life Orb Xerneas, this beast can launch quite powerful Play Roughs and Iron Heads after switching in on Lati@s, who, barring HP Fire, cannot do very much to it. Sucker Punch can also do surprisingly high damage to other common Ubers titans such as Ho-Oh and Primal Kyogre. It's not the most amazing of mons, but it'll do the job.

16+ Atk Huge Power Mega Mawile Iron Head vs. 0 HP / 0- Def Xerneas: 468-552 (119 - 140.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO

252+ SpA Life Orb Fairy Aura Xerneas Moonblast vs. 248 HP / 244 SpD Mega Mawile: 122-144 (40.2 - 47.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
24 Atk Life Orb Xerneas Close Combat vs. 248 HP / 0 Def Mega Mawile: 120-142 (39.6 - 46.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252+ SpA Life Orb Xerneas Thunder vs. 248 HP / 244 SpD Mega Mawile: 142-168 (46.8 - 55.4%) -- 71.1% chance to 2HKO
252+ SpA Life Orb Xerneas Hidden Power Ground vs. 248 HP / 244 SpD Mega Mawile: 156-185 (51.4 - 61%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

So yeah, poor Mawile's going to take a beating, and I doubt it will be switching in directly anyways as it's hard to Mega-Evolve without having to take a hit while it's happening. However, here are some cute Sucker Punch damage calcs that show Mawile can do reasonable damage to certain things

16+ Atk Huge Power Mega Mawile Sucker Punch vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Kangaskhan: 160-189 (45.5 - 53.8%) -- 44.9% chance to 2HKO
16+ Atk Huge Power Mega Mawile Sucker Punch vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Kyurem-W: 146-172 (37.3 - 43.9%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
16+ Atk Huge Power Mega Mawile Sucker Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Genesect: 140-165 (49.4 - 58.3%) -- 98.4% chance to 2HKO
 
As a counter
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Fuk xerneas (Jirachi) @ Leftovers
Ability: Serene Grace
EVs: 252 HP / 52 Atk / 196 SpD / 8 Spe
Careful Nature
- Thunder Wave
- Iron Head
- Stealth Rock
- Wish

Jirachi in ubers is made to counter xerneas. With enough EV's invested, a jirachi takes under 40% from an HP fire/ground and can thunder wave in return, rendering xerneas useless. If xern runs aromatherapy over HP the fate for xerneas isn't any better as the turn it aromatherapies Jirachi can simply do over half with iron head. With a 70% chance to flinch/para and the possibility of twaving again the next turn, xerneas stands no chance. Even with three layers of spikes, jirachi won't be 2HKO'd by hidden power from a modest Xerneas. If Jirachi finds itself getting a free turn (which happens 70% of the time after iron head), it can wish up or set up rocks.

EV's are made purely for Xerneas, though they can be altered to serve different purposes.
52 attack EV's give jirachi enough power to 2HKO Xerneas 90% of the time if it doesn't run a -Defense nature and 100% of the time if it does.
8 EV's are put into speed to win ties over other jirachi, bulky xerneas/yveltal, bulky palkia and bulky kangaskhan. The rest is invested specially defensive to avoid being 3HKO'd by hp fire with an aromatherapy turn in between.

With LO xern still hitting like a truck, jirachi can only switch in twice. Afterwards it gets 2hko'd by a predicted hp fire so be careful.
 
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week 32: AoA Kyurem-White
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Kyurem-White @ Choice Specs / Life Orb
Ability: Turboblaze
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Modest / Timid Nature
- Ice Beam
- Draco Meteor
- Fusion Flare
- Stone Edge / Focus Blast

sorry for lateness, back to school stuff :x
 
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looks like we gotta lead by example again

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Blissey @ Leftovers
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 Def / 252 SpD / 4 Spe
Calm Nature
- Toxic
- Flamethrower
- Wish
- Protect

Counter: Only Specs Focus Blast has a shot to 2HKO, and you need SR up + hit both times to do it. It tanks everything else fearlessly, recovers off damage, Toxics, twiddles its thumbs until Kyurem-W goes away in shame, etc.

You don't have to use this exact set either, all you need is Toxic and some way to heal (Wish/Softboiled).

I will say I kind of like LO Kyurem better than Specs. It makes it considerably harder to dance around with Steel-types (Fusion Flare gg) and fat Waters (Ice Beam + SR + Draco Meteor = dead Primal Kyogre). Timid is also a bit more viable on LO Kyurem-W since it eliminates 56 Speed Arceus-Water as a check (you now outrun and 2HKO with DM).

That being said, Kyurem-W's problem has always been how prone it is to getting revenge killed, not necessarily finding a safe switch-in (of which it has very few). Getting that free turn with its cruddy defensive properties can be tough.
 
I'd like to try and take a page off of Ho-Oh's checks list and say that Stealth Rock can also be useful in bringing down this thing. I mean, with subpar defenses, LO recoil (Specs is plain risky rn imo with all the POgre and Xern running around. Besides, SE hits burd right?) and some other residual damage, wearing down Kyu-W would be quite easy.

I'm not saying that Pokemon checks are hard af to find to check Kyu-W, but from what I've seen, it's raw power (Specs IBeam 2HKOs spdef Xern) and coverage is what makes it hard to switch into. With our options like Ho-Oh, MScizor, Jirachi and etc. being the optimum solutions, Kyu-W's power + coverage combo makes it able to nail said checks, narrowing down our lost of possible checks.

tl;dr SR wears big icy dragon so it dies on its own yay

Also, I wanted to take Ho-Oh but assuming Pom's gonna pick it, I'd leave it to him. ta!
 
Kyurem-W doesn't have a real counter since it can overpower the entire tier with the appropriate move. It doesn't help that it's commonly paired with P.Don and Mega Gengar, who can comfortably remove everything that would otherwise give it trouble. For example Blissey is Mega Gengar bait unless she runs Shed Shell, but if she does then Focus Blast is a clean 2HKO after rocks. Xerneas, Primal Ogre and Ho-oh are handled by P.Don without much trouble.

The best way to handle Kyurem-W s by revenge killing it. Scarf Xerneas does decently with this set:

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Xerneas @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Fairy Aura
EVs: 76 Atk / 180 SpA / 252 Spe
Naive Nature (+SpA, -Atk)
- Moonblast
- Megahorn
- Close Combat
- Thunderbolt

Obviously you should aim to switch this into predicted Draco Meteors or after Kyu-W has killed something, but in an emergency it has enough to bulk to barely take an Ice Beam after rocks. With this set Xerneas can outspeed the icy dragon and KO it with Moonblast, though it must be wary of P. Don and especially Mega Gengar as mentioned earlier. Still, this Xerneas is probably the best way to handle Kyu-W in the entire tier, especially if you manage to get rocks down.
 
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