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Time for voting is over! Thank you everyone who participated. Congrats to pooyou123456789q with the pinser/zone core and mellowyellowhd with weakness policy zygarde for making the archive. I will update this soon.
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This weeks team is based around mega Lure mega latios and submitted by Felixx whos sought to have his team broken by the wonderful people of smogon. Basically the team built to lure its many checks before letting ash gren or bulu go to town.
Sets
Explantion:
Thats the team. Goodluck this week and ensure you take the lures into account when breaking it.
Edit: dont try typing this on mobile
Vote tally
Nominations
Grass knot Tapu Koko - 1
Heatran + Tapu Bulu - 2
Zygarde + Toxapex - 0
Magnezone + Pinser - 5
Calm mind Clef + Magnezone - 1
Waterium Z Keldeo - 0
Zygarde - 5
Heatran + Gastrodon - 1
Volcarona - 0
Grass knot Tapu Koko - 1
Heatran + Tapu Bulu - 2
Zygarde + Toxapex - 0
Magnezone + Pinser - 5
Calm mind Clef + Magnezone - 1
Waterium Z Keldeo - 0
Zygarde - 5
Heatran + Gastrodon - 1
Volcarona - 0
This weeks team is based around mega Lure mega latios and submitted by Felixx whos sought to have his team broken by the wonderful people of smogon. Basically the team built to lure its many checks before letting ash gren or bulu go to town.
Sets
Greninja-Ash @ Choice Specs
Ability: Battle Bond
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Dark Pulse
- Hydro Pump
- Water Shuriken
- Spikes
Latios-Mega @ Latiosite
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Naive Nature
- Psychic
- Hidden Power [Fire]
- Earthquake
- Roost
Tapu Bulu @ Fightinium Z
Ability: Grassy Surge
EVs: 100 HP / 252 Atk / 156 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Swords Dance
- Horn Leech
- Superpower
- Stone Edge
Heatran (F) @ Leftovers
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 252 HP / 100 SpD / 156 Spe
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Magma Storm
- Earth Power
- Taunt
- Will-O-Wisp
Landorus-Therian @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 248 HP / 64 Def / 196 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Earthquake
- U-turn
- Hidden Power [Fire]
- Defog
Clefable (F) @ Leftovers
Ability: Magic Guard
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Stealth Rock
- Moonblast
- Soft-Boiled
- Wish
Ability: Battle Bond
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Dark Pulse
- Hydro Pump
- Water Shuriken
- Spikes
Latios-Mega @ Latiosite
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Naive Nature
- Psychic
- Hidden Power [Fire]
- Earthquake
- Roost
Tapu Bulu @ Fightinium Z
Ability: Grassy Surge
EVs: 100 HP / 252 Atk / 156 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Swords Dance
- Horn Leech
- Superpower
- Stone Edge
Heatran (F) @ Leftovers
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 252 HP / 100 SpD / 156 Spe
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Magma Storm
- Earth Power
- Taunt
- Will-O-Wisp
Landorus-Therian @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 248 HP / 64 Def / 196 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Earthquake
- U-turn
- Hidden Power [Fire]
- Defog
Clefable (F) @ Leftovers
Ability: Magic Guard
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Stealth Rock
- Moonblast
- Soft-Boiled
- Wish
Explantion:
HP Fire M-Latios lures Ash-Gren's checks such as Ferrothorn and AV Magearna, and switches into its other checks such as Tapu Bulu, Tangrowth, and Toxapex, and forcing all three out. SD Tapu Bulu gives the team a good Stall/Balance breaker that also acts as the team's main water resist, while Heatran helps Tapu Bulu deal with PsySpam teams, and also Tornadus, which would otherwise be annoying for the team. Scarf Landorus with HP Fire provides the teams with a form of speed control and a Kartana switch-in. Finally, Clef acts as the team's rocker and is able to pass Wishes to teammates to keep them healthy.
Thats the team. Goodluck this week and ensure you take the lures into account when breaking it.
Edit: dont try typing this on mobile
Trick Room Magearna.
Magearna @ Fairium Z
Ability: Soul-Heart
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
Quiet Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Fleur Cannon
- Flash Cannon
- Focus Blast
- Trick Room
Magearna at least 2HKOs every member of this team and can find setup opportunities with Ash-Greninja locked into Dark Pulse, Clefable, and Mega Latios. Magearna obliterates this team after Heatran is weakened.
Magearna @ Fairium Z
Ability: Soul-Heart
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
Quiet Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Fleur Cannon
- Flash Cannon
- Focus Blast
- Trick Room
Magearna at least 2HKOs every member of this team and can find setup opportunities with Ash-Greninja locked into Dark Pulse, Clefable, and Mega Latios. Magearna obliterates this team after Heatran is weakened.
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Z-Dig Greninja
Greninja (M) @ Groundium Z
Ability: Protean
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
Naive Nature
- U-turn
- Gunk Shot
- Ice Beam
- Dig
Z-Dig Greninja OHKO's or deals >60% against every member of the team. The only members of the team that outspeed Z-Dig Greninja are Scarf Landorus-T and Greninja-Ash, neither of which can OHKO it back.
Greninja (M) @ Groundium Z
Ability: Protean
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
Naive Nature
- U-turn
- Gunk Shot
- Ice Beam
- Dig
Z-Dig Greninja OHKO's or deals >60% against every member of the team. The only members of the team that outspeed Z-Dig Greninja are Scarf Landorus-T and Greninja-Ash, neither of which can OHKO it back.
Offensive Calcs
252 Atk Protean Greninja Tectonic Rage (160 BP) vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Heatran: 804-948 (208.2 - 245.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Leftovers recovery
4 SpA Protean Greninja Ice Beam vs. 248 HP / 0 SpD Landorus-Therian: 480-568 (125.9 - 149%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 Atk Protean Greninja Gunk Shot vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Tapu Bulu: 564-664 (200.7 - 236.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
4 SpA Protean Greninja Ice Beam vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Tapu Bulu: 210-248 (74.7 - 88.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Grassy Terrain recovery
252 Atk Protean Greninja U-turn vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Greninja-Ash: 254-302 (89.1 - 105.9%) -- 31.3% chance to OHKO
252 Atk Protean Greninja Gunk Shot vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Clefable: 278-330 (70.5 - 83.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
252 Atk Protean Greninja U-turn vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Latios-Mega: 186-222 (61.7 - 73.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
4 SpA Protean Greninja Ice Beam vs. 0 HP / 0- SpD Latios-Mega: 192-228 (63.7 - 75.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Defensive Calcs
0 Atk Landorus-Therian Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Greninja: 207-244 (72.6 - 85.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
0 Atk Landorus-Therian U-turn vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Greninja: 192-228 (67.3 - 80%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 SpA Choice Specs Greninja-Ash Water Shuriken (20 BP) (3 hits) vs. 0 HP / 0- SpD Greninja: 123-144 (43.1 - 50.5%) -- approx. 0.4% chance to 2HKO
0 SpA Clefable Moonblast vs. 0 HP / 0- SpD Poison Greninja: 72-85 (25.2 - 29.8%) -- guaranteed 4HKO
252 Atk Protean Greninja Tectonic Rage (160 BP) vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Heatran: 804-948 (208.2 - 245.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Leftovers recovery
4 SpA Protean Greninja Ice Beam vs. 248 HP / 0 SpD Landorus-Therian: 480-568 (125.9 - 149%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 Atk Protean Greninja Gunk Shot vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Tapu Bulu: 564-664 (200.7 - 236.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
4 SpA Protean Greninja Ice Beam vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Tapu Bulu: 210-248 (74.7 - 88.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Grassy Terrain recovery
252 Atk Protean Greninja U-turn vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Greninja-Ash: 254-302 (89.1 - 105.9%) -- 31.3% chance to OHKO
252 Atk Protean Greninja Gunk Shot vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Clefable: 278-330 (70.5 - 83.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
252 Atk Protean Greninja U-turn vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Latios-Mega: 186-222 (61.7 - 73.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
4 SpA Protean Greninja Ice Beam vs. 0 HP / 0- SpD Latios-Mega: 192-228 (63.7 - 75.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Defensive Calcs
0 Atk Landorus-Therian Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Greninja: 207-244 (72.6 - 85.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
0 Atk Landorus-Therian U-turn vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Greninja: 192-228 (67.3 - 80%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 SpA Choice Specs Greninja-Ash Water Shuriken (20 BP) (3 hits) vs. 0 HP / 0- SpD Greninja: 123-144 (43.1 - 50.5%) -- approx. 0.4% chance to 2HKO
0 SpA Clefable Moonblast vs. 0 HP / 0- SpD Poison Greninja: 72-85 (25.2 - 29.8%) -- guaranteed 4HKO
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Zygarde @ Weakness Policy
Ability: Aura Break
EVs: 240 Atk / 88 SpD / 180 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Extreme Speed
-Iron tail
- Thousand Arrows
- Dragon Dance
Once Zygarde gets a single DD up not much can stop it.
+1 240+ Atk Zygarde Iron Tail vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Tapu Bulu: 262-310 (93.2 - 110.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock and Grassy Terrain recovery
if you decide to go clef, Zygarde more or less wins the game from there, The greninja can pose a threat to it, but if it's not transformed/Weakened/dead Zygarde can easily kill it (it still wins anyways but it takes a shit ton of damage in the process)
Lando more or less just gets the intim of and lets it keep setting up.
Mega Latios cannot beat Zygarde here and falls to either a +2/3 Thousand arrows after rocks(only at plus 2 does it need rocks) and even a plus 1 zygarde can kill it.
Tran should pose an issue if you decide to get greedy but usually you would attempt to set up in/on the lando or clef anyways bc of the fear of toxic.
In any event, I really feel that WP Zygarde can easily sweep the team under the right circumstance or at least severly damage it.
Ability: Aura Break
EVs: 240 Atk / 88 SpD / 180 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Extreme Speed
-Iron tail
- Thousand Arrows
- Dragon Dance
Once Zygarde gets a single DD up not much can stop it.
+1 240+ Atk Zygarde Iron Tail vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Tapu Bulu: 262-310 (93.2 - 110.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock and Grassy Terrain recovery
if you decide to go clef, Zygarde more or less wins the game from there, The greninja can pose a threat to it, but if it's not transformed/Weakened/dead Zygarde can easily kill it (it still wins anyways but it takes a shit ton of damage in the process)
Lando more or less just gets the intim of and lets it keep setting up.
Mega Latios cannot beat Zygarde here and falls to either a +2/3 Thousand arrows after rocks(only at plus 2 does it need rocks) and even a plus 1 zygarde can kill it.
Tran should pose an issue if you decide to get greedy but usually you would attempt to set up in/on the lando or clef anyways bc of the fear of toxic.
In any event, I really feel that WP Zygarde can easily sweep the team under the right circumstance or at least severly damage it.
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Victory-tini
Victini @ Normalium Z
Ability: Victory Star
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Celebrate
- Searing Shot
- Stored Power
- Focus Blast
This little dude really hurt that team and need some showcase as people are not acknowledging his power
How to set-up ?
V-boy can pretty much set-up on half the team
From easiest to hardest :
-Clef can't hurt you that much
-0 SpA Clefable Moonblast vs. +1 0 HP / 4 SpD Victini: 33-39 (9.6 - 11.4%) -- possible 9HKO
-Tran doesn't pose a huge threat
-0 SpA Heatran Earth Power vs. +1 0 HP / 4 SpD Victini: 110-130 (32.2 - 38.1%) -- 94.4% chance to 3HKO
-Bulu edge does only half your life
-252+ Atk Tapu Bulu Stone Edge vs. +1 0 HP / 0 Def Victini: 160-190 (46.9 - 55.7%) -- 21.5% chance to 2HKO after Grassy Terrain recovery
-If stuck on hp ice or defog Lando is your set up folder of choice
And note that under grassy terrain quake doesn't do that much
-0 Atk Landorus-Therian Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Victini in Grassy Terrain: 150-176 (43.9 - 51.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Grassy Terrain recovery
-I guess you could try to set up on latios if he is really wore down but you should not for fear of draco and quake still hurt and you can't damage mega latios that much
- 4 Atk Latios Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Victini: 134-158 (39.2 - 46.3%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
-Just don't try against greninja unless if stuck on spike and even there you may not want to get too crazy in case of a z ash ninja
-252 SpA Choice Specs Greninja Hydro Pump vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Victini: 458-540 (134.3 - 158.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
What to do once set up?
-Against ninja you outspeed him he has to go for water shuriken since you kill him with focus blast
- +1 252 SpA Victini Focus Blast vs. 0 HP / 0- SpD Greninja: 482-568 (169.1 - 199.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
- 252 SpA Choice Specs Greninja Water Shuriken (15 BP) (3 hits) vs. +1 0 HP / 4 SpD Victini: 132-162 (38.7 - 47.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
- Mega Latios is quite troublesome to kill but i like the fact that it is a lure set since when you lure something and kill it you are very weak to pursuit trapping and Victini z is always played with pursuit trap support so you are quite likely do trap Latios
- You get a cleen kill on Bulu with your fire stab
- +1 252 SpA Victini Searing Shot vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Tapu Bulu: 426-504 (151.6 - 179.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
- You can't one shot heatran with focus but earth power doesn't do that much
+1 252 SpA Victini Focus Blast vs. 252 HP / 100 SpD Heatran: 282-334 (73 - 86.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
-0 SpA Heatran Earth Power vs. +1 0 HP / 4 SpD Victini: 110-130 (32.2 - 38.1%) -- 94.4% chance to 3HKO
- You need somee chip on Lando to kill it
-+1 252 SpA Victini Searing Shot vs. 248 HP / 0 SpD Landorus-Therian: 246-291 (64.5 - 76.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
-You can't one shot clef but you can't do much to you either
- +1 252 SpA Victini Stored Power (120 BP) vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Clefable: 267-315 (67.7 - 79.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
Soooooo:
You may need some chip, Entry hasard support and pursuit support to sweep but Victini still a huge threat to the team and quite a fun pick
Victini @ Normalium Z
Ability: Victory Star
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Celebrate
- Searing Shot
- Stored Power
- Focus Blast
This little dude really hurt that team and need some showcase as people are not acknowledging his power
How to set-up ?
V-boy can pretty much set-up on half the team
From easiest to hardest :
-Clef can't hurt you that much
-0 SpA Clefable Moonblast vs. +1 0 HP / 4 SpD Victini: 33-39 (9.6 - 11.4%) -- possible 9HKO
-Tran doesn't pose a huge threat
-0 SpA Heatran Earth Power vs. +1 0 HP / 4 SpD Victini: 110-130 (32.2 - 38.1%) -- 94.4% chance to 3HKO
-Bulu edge does only half your life
-252+ Atk Tapu Bulu Stone Edge vs. +1 0 HP / 0 Def Victini: 160-190 (46.9 - 55.7%) -- 21.5% chance to 2HKO after Grassy Terrain recovery
-If stuck on hp ice or defog Lando is your set up folder of choice
And note that under grassy terrain quake doesn't do that much
-0 Atk Landorus-Therian Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Victini in Grassy Terrain: 150-176 (43.9 - 51.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Grassy Terrain recovery
-I guess you could try to set up on latios if he is really wore down but you should not for fear of draco and quake still hurt and you can't damage mega latios that much
- 4 Atk Latios Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Victini: 134-158 (39.2 - 46.3%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
-Just don't try against greninja unless if stuck on spike and even there you may not want to get too crazy in case of a z ash ninja
-252 SpA Choice Specs Greninja Hydro Pump vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Victini: 458-540 (134.3 - 158.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
What to do once set up?
-Against ninja you outspeed him he has to go for water shuriken since you kill him with focus blast
- +1 252 SpA Victini Focus Blast vs. 0 HP / 0- SpD Greninja: 482-568 (169.1 - 199.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
- 252 SpA Choice Specs Greninja Water Shuriken (15 BP) (3 hits) vs. +1 0 HP / 4 SpD Victini: 132-162 (38.7 - 47.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
- Mega Latios is quite troublesome to kill but i like the fact that it is a lure set since when you lure something and kill it you are very weak to pursuit trapping and Victini z is always played with pursuit trap support so you are quite likely do trap Latios
- You get a cleen kill on Bulu with your fire stab
- +1 252 SpA Victini Searing Shot vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Tapu Bulu: 426-504 (151.6 - 179.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
- You can't one shot heatran with focus but earth power doesn't do that much
+1 252 SpA Victini Focus Blast vs. 252 HP / 100 SpD Heatran: 282-334 (73 - 86.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
-0 SpA Heatran Earth Power vs. +1 0 HP / 4 SpD Victini: 110-130 (32.2 - 38.1%) -- 94.4% chance to 3HKO
- You need somee chip on Lando to kill it
-+1 252 SpA Victini Searing Shot vs. 248 HP / 0 SpD Landorus-Therian: 246-291 (64.5 - 76.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
-You can't one shot clef but you can't do much to you either
- +1 252 SpA Victini Stored Power (120 BP) vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Clefable: 267-315 (67.7 - 79.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
Soooooo:
You may need some chip, Entry hasard support and pursuit support to sweep but Victini still a huge threat to the team and quite a fun pick
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Reserving fightinium z magearna
Magearna @ Fightinium Z
Ability: Soul-Heart
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Shift Gear
- Flash Cannon
- Ice Beam
- Focus Blast
This set in general can 6-0 the team once getting a boost which is very likely especially due to the fact that clefable is the setter. Simply set up while the clefable get rocks up and flash cannon it as it 2kos it and cant get soft boiling and if it gets at least one boost from any of the mons it can go straight into sweeping as heatran is not a switchin anymore as theres a 56% chance(or close to that i believe) of ohkoing with fightinium z so you simply ice beam/focus blast/flash cannon the whole team.
Magearna @ Fightinium Z
Ability: Soul-Heart
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Shift Gear
- Flash Cannon
- Ice Beam
- Focus Blast
This set in general can 6-0 the team once getting a boost which is very likely especially due to the fact that clefable is the setter. Simply set up while the clefable get rocks up and flash cannon it as it 2kos it and cant get soft boiling and if it gets at least one boost from any of the mons it can go straight into sweeping as heatran is not a switchin anymore as theres a 56% chance(or close to that i believe) of ohkoing with fightinium z so you simply ice beam/focus blast/flash cannon the whole team.
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CM Clefable
Clefable @ Leftovers
Ability: Magic Guard
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpA
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Soft-Boiled
- Calm Mind
- Moonblast
- Focus Blast
MG Clefable turns everything not named Tapu Bulu into setup fodder then blasts away everything at +6. A dedicated lure for Bulu such as SSSS Lando is nice, but not required.
Clefable @ Leftovers
Ability: Magic Guard
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpA
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Soft-Boiled
- Calm Mind
- Moonblast
- Focus Blast
MG Clefable turns everything not named Tapu Bulu into setup fodder then blasts away everything at +6. A dedicated lure for Bulu such as SSSS Lando is nice, but not required.
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Fightinium Z Greninja
Greninja (M) @ Fightinium Z
Ability: Protean
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
Hasty Nature
- Ice Beam
- Low Kick
- Gunk Shot
- Spikes
Z low kick greninja is nearly unbeatable for the team. The only counterplay is to get greninja in to force it out or risk a tie as this mon is basically a kill every time it comes in. Clefable and Mega Latios get 2hkoed by gunk shot and ice beam and the rest of the team gets ohkoed by the right move. heatran only dies to the z move. Landorus-T and Greninja are the only ways to outspeed it so it would require super amazing prediction + some luck to beat this.
E: just saw z dig but this set is far less specific and doesnt completely rely on its z which can be scouted for by heatran
Greninja (M) @ Fightinium Z
Ability: Protean
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
Hasty Nature
- Ice Beam
- Low Kick
- Gunk Shot
- Spikes
Z low kick greninja is nearly unbeatable for the team. The only counterplay is to get greninja in to force it out or risk a tie as this mon is basically a kill every time it comes in. Clefable and Mega Latios get 2hkoed by gunk shot and ice beam and the rest of the team gets ohkoed by the right move. heatran only dies to the z move. Landorus-T and Greninja are the only ways to outspeed it so it would require super amazing prediction + some luck to beat this.
E: just saw z dig but this set is far less specific and doesnt completely rely on its z which can be scouted for by heatran
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I'll be setting up voting tommorow. So last chance to post nominations.
Weavile @ Choice Band
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Icicle Crash
- Knock Off
- Ice Shard
- Pursuit
If a U-turn or Volt Switch user, think Tapu Koko, Landorus-T, Tornadus-T, etc. manages to get Weavile in safely, Weavile just removes an item with Knock Off, or weakens something badly with Icicle Crash (except for Heatran, but it doesn't want to take a Knock Off).
Time for nominations are over. Voting now begins. thanks for all your posts everyone
Nominations
Trick room Magerna
Z-Dig Greninja
Weakness policy Zygarde
Victini
Z-fight Shift gear magerna
Calm mind Clefable
Z Fight greninja
Weavile
Voting will end wednesday or thursday My time depending activity. You may vote for up to 2 nominations except your own.
I'm also taking ideas for new teams. so PM me if theres a team you think should be broken
Nominations
Trick room Magerna
Z-Dig Greninja
Weakness policy Zygarde
Victini
Z-fight Shift gear magerna
Calm mind Clefable
Z Fight greninja
Weavile
Voting will end wednesday or thursday My time depending activity. You may vote for up to 2 nominations except your own.
I'm also taking ideas for new teams. so PM me if theres a team you think should be broken
WP Zygarde and Weavile.
Trick Room Magearna and SG Z-Fight Mag
TR Mag
Massive Update to the Archive and OP. Been awhile coming but its here. Anyway I would like to welcome a whopping 10 new people to the archive. AM , Martin , @Volcanoheadproduction(yt) , LL , curiosity , Counting Sheep , MultiAmmiratore , mellowyellowhd , Flame from Heaven and pooyou123456789q . Congratulations on all being able to break teams during your respective weeks of Triumph, Now you are all a step closer to achieving a small portion of the near perfect forever brilliant undying godlike bliss that is I Creator of Chaos.
In addition congrats to dk and Akumeoy on being the only previous archivers has in the last few months who have managed to move up in the archive with 2 and 4 Entries each.
Things should look a tad cleaner on the Opening post now but if anyone has ideas I'm open ears.
Total Archive Tally
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4 - Akumeoy, Indigo Plateau
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2 - DK
1 - AM, Aragorn the King, Martin, Volcanoheadproduction(yt), LL, Curiosity, Counting Sheep, MultiAmmiratore, mellowyellowhd, Flame from Heaven, pooyou123456789q, Creator of Chaos, Riddikulusness, Scarf Nihilego, Expert_Occultist, Vertex, Ramses, ThiccTornadus
Since voting this week has been poor. I'm extending it by a day so please vote if you can
In addition congrats to dk and Akumeoy on being the only previous archivers has in the last few months who have managed to move up in the archive with 2 and 4 Entries each.
Things should look a tad cleaner on the Opening post now but if anyone has ideas I'm open ears.
Total Archive Tally
5 -
4 - Akumeoy, Indigo Plateau
3 -
2 - DK
1 - AM, Aragorn the King, Martin, Volcanoheadproduction(yt), LL, Curiosity, Counting Sheep, MultiAmmiratore, mellowyellowhd, Flame from Heaven, pooyou123456789q, Creator of Chaos, Riddikulusness, Scarf Nihilego, Expert_Occultist, Vertex, Ramses, ThiccTornadus
Since voting this week has been poor. I'm extending it by a day so please vote if you can
Voting for Z-fight Shift Gear Magerna and WP policy Zygarde
Given how good these 2 are right now and the little support they require to go steam roll its kinda hard to pick anything else. Yeah Offensive magerna is rare and has multiple viable set but not prepping for it in the current environment is a death sentence. WP policy Zygarde is arguably broken so must be accounted for with the only real answer being clefable who cant OHKO and needs to be kept at full health just to keep it checked.
Given how good these 2 are right now and the little support they require to go steam roll its kinda hard to pick anything else. Yeah Offensive magerna is rare and has multiple viable set but not prepping for it in the current environment is a death sentence. WP policy Zygarde is arguably broken so must be accounted for with the only real answer being clefable who cant OHKO and needs to be kept at full health just to keep it checked.
Congrats to Poison Adhesive for breaking this weeks team with Z-fight shift gear magerna. Best nomination in my opinion and the votes tell despite the close number Welcome to the archive and may your climb towards the hall of fame be a successful one.
Vote Tally
For this week I've decided to borrow a mega less balance team from curiosity. its a few months old now but the current shape of the meta is basically reflected in this team.
Original RMT Post
Sets
Explanation : While the team is a tad dated it is very much a reflection of current trends featuring an assortment of bulky pokemon from Wish clef and Toxapex to a battlebond greninja known to shred offence. The whole purpose is to weaken teams through hazards and smart switching until you can end the game. Toxapex is geared toward taking special hits and is a great overall meta sponge while ferrothorn takes the Elemantal hits that toxapex otherwise could not while adding spikes, Clefable is rocker, another great generic sponge, checks tyraniter and adds wish support giving other mons a 2nd chance at life. Heatran Rounds out the bulky mons and is the teams stallbreaker traping annoying stuff like sableye and opposing clefs. From there Bulky scarf lando checks the last few mons like Adamant Zard X, opposing landos and Toxapexs that otherwise threaten the remainder of the team. With defenbsive side complete battle bond greninja is used to break apart offensive teams as well clean up late game when hazards and swtiching have done the rest.
Thats the team. I wish you all good-luck this week breaking the team. Happy nominations
Vote Tally
Trick room Magerna - 2
Z-Dig Greninja - 0
Weakness policy Zygarde - 2
Victini - 0
Z-fight Shift gear magerna - 3
Calm mind Clefable - 0
Z Fight greninja - 1
Weavile - 2
Z-Dig Greninja - 0
Weakness policy Zygarde - 2
Victini - 0
Z-fight Shift gear magerna - 3
Calm mind Clefable - 0
Z Fight greninja - 1
Weavile - 2
For this week I've decided to borrow a mega less balance team from curiosity. its a few months old now but the current shape of the meta is basically reflected in this team.
Original RMT Post
Sets
Toxapex @ Black Sludge
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Scald
- Recover
- Toxic
- Haze
Ferrothorn @ Leftovers
Ability: Iron Barbs
EVs: 252 HP / 48 Def / 208 SpD
Careful Nature
- Spikes
- Leech Seed
- Knock Off
- Power Whip
Clefable @ Leftovers
Ability: Magic Guard
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Soft-Boiled
- Wish
- Moonblast
- Stealth Rock
Heatran @ Firium Z
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Magma Storm
- Earth Power
- Taunt
- Toxic
Landorus-Therian (M) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 104 HP / 184 Def / 24 SpA / 196 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Earthquake
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- U-turn
- Defog
Greninja @ Choice Specs
Ability: Battle Bond
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Hydro Pump
- Dark Pulse
- Water Shuriken
- Spikes
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Scald
- Recover
- Toxic
- Haze
Ferrothorn @ Leftovers
Ability: Iron Barbs
EVs: 252 HP / 48 Def / 208 SpD
Careful Nature
- Spikes
- Leech Seed
- Knock Off
- Power Whip
Clefable @ Leftovers
Ability: Magic Guard
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Soft-Boiled
- Wish
- Moonblast
- Stealth Rock
Heatran @ Firium Z
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Magma Storm
- Earth Power
- Taunt
- Toxic
Landorus-Therian (M) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 104 HP / 184 Def / 24 SpA / 196 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Earthquake
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- U-turn
- Defog
Greninja @ Choice Specs
Ability: Battle Bond
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Hydro Pump
- Dark Pulse
- Water Shuriken
- Spikes
Explanation : While the team is a tad dated it is very much a reflection of current trends featuring an assortment of bulky pokemon from Wish clef and Toxapex to a battlebond greninja known to shred offence. The whole purpose is to weaken teams through hazards and smart switching until you can end the game. Toxapex is geared toward taking special hits and is a great overall meta sponge while ferrothorn takes the Elemantal hits that toxapex otherwise could not while adding spikes, Clefable is rocker, another great generic sponge, checks tyraniter and adds wish support giving other mons a 2nd chance at life. Heatran Rounds out the bulky mons and is the teams stallbreaker traping annoying stuff like sableye and opposing clefs. From there Bulky scarf lando checks the last few mons like Adamant Zard X, opposing landos and Toxapexs that otherwise threaten the remainder of the team. With defenbsive side complete battle bond greninja is used to break apart offensive teams as well clean up late game when hazards and swtiching have done the rest.
Thats the team. I wish you all good-luck this week breaking the team. Happy nominations
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"The whole purpose is to weaken teams through hazards and smart switching "
But what can you do if none switchs exist?
Greninja @ Life Orb
Ability: Protean
EVs: 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Naive Nature
- Hydro Pump
- Extrasensory
- Gunk Shot
- Hidden Power Fire
252 SpA Life Orb Protean Greninja Extrasensory vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Toxapex: 164-195 (53.9 - 64.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Black Sludge recovery
252 SpA Life Orb Protean Greninja Hidden Power Fire vs. 252 HP / 208+ SpD Ferrothorn: 296-348 (84 - 98.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
252 SpA Life Orb Greninja Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Heatran: 377-447 (97.6 - 115.8%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO
4 Atk Life Orb Protean Greninja Gunk Shot vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Clefable: 283-338 (71.8 - 85.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
I won't talk about Greninja or lando-t because if you are smart you shouln't use your protean greninja against them because they can be scarf and you don't want to kill your wincon
But what can you do if none switchs exist?
Greninja @ Life Orb
Ability: Protean
EVs: 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Naive Nature
- Hydro Pump
- Extrasensory
- Gunk Shot
- Hidden Power Fire
252 SpA Life Orb Protean Greninja Extrasensory vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Toxapex: 164-195 (53.9 - 64.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Black Sludge recovery
252 SpA Life Orb Protean Greninja Hidden Power Fire vs. 252 HP / 208+ SpD Ferrothorn: 296-348 (84 - 98.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
252 SpA Life Orb Greninja Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Heatran: 377-447 (97.6 - 115.8%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO
4 Atk Life Orb Protean Greninja Gunk Shot vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Clefable: 283-338 (71.8 - 85.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
I won't talk about Greninja or lando-t because if you are smart you shouln't use your protean greninja against them because they can be scarf and you don't want to kill your wincon
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