Let me preface this by saying that these Pokemon have been used by many people recently, not just the VR team, and we didn't just throw them into the rankings without having experience using them, like your post is regrettably implying. That being said, it's fine to disagree with and I'm happy to have calm and logical discussion on their placement so we can review them again in two weeks when the next update occurs (which we already intended to do in the first place!). I can't speak for everyone that has used these Pokemon, but I'll just give my own personal reasoning here, and clarify a couple misconceptions about them.I'm a bit confused with some of the new implements, although I love a good E rank, why are these new mons even ranked?
I'd like to say that Regirock is mediocre and just because Diancie left, that doesn't make it much better. Being a pure rock type as defensive mon sounds good on paper but it's actually terrible when you think about it practice because almost all nu mons have super effective coverage (Magmortar, Delphox, Incineroar, Sneasel, Braviary and Sigilyph to name a few and these are all from S rank to A-. ) Also I'm not sure how Regirock beats half the mons you listed in your argument? D:
So if you go down the NU teambuilder, you'll actually find out Regirock has little defensive utility since it loses to most mons despite having that initial type advantage. this should probably go back to being unranked. If you're gonna use Z regi then you lose the whole appeal of using it the first place which was to be tank. Don't expect unboosted 100 attack after a Z move to get you so far.
- In fact, most of Delphox's sets annoy the hell of out Regirock (loses to Grass Z, can't switch into specs and hates toxic protect sub sets)
- When was regirock a reliable stop to Golbat? Golbat can never be 2HKO and you can factor in roost halving rock damage? rip to toxic?
- Regirock fails to check Z SD Incin when at +2 it almost kills and Z EQ blows back, regirock can't even OHKO in return (Incin's most popular set)
- Just like Steelix, Regirock hates losing it item to Band Sneasel and doesnt enjoy switching into low kick which should be a standard move at this point.
- Since everyone's established that Scarf Brav isn't too great, people have run into using offensive BU sets with z and there's still the classic Sp def bulk up in which you should still be able to win
- Glalie can still be a monster with double edge + explosion. earthquake still scores good damage and it's not very hard to wear down regirock.
As for Granbull, it sounds like a bad meme and should go back to being unranked. It suddenly got a raise which is pretty strange to me, who nommed it? Right now, there's actually less of a reason to use it because of the introduction of defiant Passimian which remains to be a popular fighting type. Choice Band and Z sets seems to be joke sets to me, I could just use any other wallbreaker like Pangoro who pretty much has no switch ins + resist rocks and has better speed. NU has a million slow wallbreakers anyway but this has to be one of the worst. If you're desperate in checking Medicham + Scrafty then use it but plenty of other memes have some sort of utility but stay unranked.
Scyther should go back to being unranked imo, it has no defining set and just because diancie left doesn't change much because people just go to the next best thing and nu has so many pokemon that aren't bothered by its stabs so you're just forced to u-turn all day. You highlighted Scyther for it's choice scarf set but the set (along with its others) are poor. AA can't even ohko Passimian Mismagius, Scrafty and Alolan Eggy for example which is pretty depressing, have fun running into 1000 walls on balance. Oh and looks like you'll always need rocks support too.
Firstly, you're being super harsh on Regirock. Low Kick is not standard on Sneasel by any means, and still sees substantially less usage than the far more consistent Ice Shard (sniping Sceptile, the rising Aerodactyl, Accelgor, Whimsicott, and a myriad of other things is still very useful and even necessary on certain builds). Regirock comfortably comes in on Icicle Crash and unlike Rhydon it can actually afford to take a Knock Off. Moreover, even if you are running the niche Low Kick, it's not even a guaranteed 2HKO to begin with. 252 Atk Choice Band Sneasel Low Kick (120 BP) vs. 252 HP / 56+ Def Regirock: 152-180 (41.7 - 49.4%) -- guaranteed 3HKO (You can even run more defence depending on the team since Regirock is very malleable, but this spread lets you always live a +2 Malicious Moonsault from Incineroar after 2 layers of spikes.) Moreover, I'm not sure how you say Glalie doesnt check Regirock when it clearly does? Double Edge is a 4HKO, EQ does even less. If you're forced to explode on Regirock, that means Regirock has done it's job of dealing with that threat, and it's fairly likely you'll have Stealth Rock up after that trade, since Double Edge into Explosion doesn't even KO it. Moving onto Delphox, we know Grassium-Z can break it, but that requires 1. having your Calm Mind set up or enough chip damage, and 2. having broken Sturdy. Let's just pretend though that those circumstances have been met, you still serve as a great check to Choice Scarf Delphox (which is just as viable as CM right now, if not even easier to fit onto teams), as well as any of the defensive sets not carrying Substitute (Substitute is very uncommon outside of a couple tournament matches, the most common sets are packing wish / protect / mystical fire / toxic). Moving on to Braviary, Scarf sees an alright amount of use, but yes, it's definitely not an amazing set. Rock Tomb with Toxic is still perfectly serviceable for breaking down Sub BU as well as being a good pivot into Brave Birds in conjunction with a secondary Flying resist that can revenge it, for example a Heliolisk or Rotom (common partners for Regirock), Fight-Z was literally built to lure Rock-types so of course it's going to have a decent matchup :shrug:.
Granbull is admittedly more of a fringe one, and I dont have quite as much experience with it as others. However it has some very potent offensive sets that I've seen in action and been impressed by, and being able to check a bunch of the dangerous Dark and Fighting-types on the rise is a valuable attribute to provide for a team, especially when you consider options like TWave and Heal Bell. I'm not sure if it'll still be ranked in 2 weeks, that all depends on how people feel and if it proves to have any worth, but that's what this thread is for and I'm pleased that you brought it up to spark more discussion!
Scyther was nommed a while ago for an SD set that people like quziel and banks have been hyping up even before the tier shift. The Choice Scarf set is something I've been using a good bit of lately and it's definitely better than you're giving it credit for. Nobody uses Scarf Scyther with the intention of killing everything immediately and wallbreaking. It's a ridiculously fast pivot that can clean late game, trap specific threats, check some specific Pokemon for offense, and bring in / synergise really well with certain wallbreakers. If you're expecting it to OHKO everything immediately then it'll definitely be disappointing, but that's not what it's supposed to function like at all. I can't speak much on the SD set as much as others can, but I'm sure people can chip in and explain the values of that set too. (Though to be clear, Scyther was primarily ranked for it's Scarf set, the SD one is still a bit undiscovered for the moment.) Also needing Stealth Rock support is something you could say for literally every Pokemon in the tier, so I'm not sure how that's an argument against ranking Scyther when the things it revenges and pivots on don't even particularly care about rocks in the grand scheme of things.
I encourage everyone to give these Pokemon a shot, try them out and share your experiences, you might be surprised by what you find! We've got a fresh new meta and things are still shaking up by the day and I'm looking forward to seeing what everyone comes up with!