Project USUM OU Victim of the Week [Week 49: Dragon Dance Gyarados]

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Reserving Infernape

Infernape as a check.

Infernape @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Blaze
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Flare Blitz
- Close Combat
- U-turn
- Stone Edge

Choice Scarfed Infernape outspeeds and kills Kartana with both Flare Blitz and Close Combat, can't switch in because AoP OHKO's even at neutral.

252 Atk Infernape Flare Blitz vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Kartana: 532-628 (205.4 - 242.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 Atk Infernape Close Combat vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Kartana: 266-314 (102.7 - 121.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 Atk Kartana All-Out Pummeling (175 BP) vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Infernape: 323-380 (110.2 - 129.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
 
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Physical Tangrowth as a counter



Tangrowth @ Leftovers
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 248 HP / 212 Def / 48 SpD
Relaxed Nature
- Giga Drain
- Knock Off
- Sleep Powder
- Hidden Power Fire

Kartana has not a real counter, because it can run so many options, but physical Tangrowth can handle all its sets but Steelium Z (that is niche) and answer with a deadly Hidden Power Fire

+2 252 Atk Kartana Bloom Doom (175 BP) vs. 248 HP / 212+ Def Tangrowth: 233-274 (57.8 - 67.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

+2 252 Atk Kartana Black Hole Eclipse (140 BP) vs. 248 HP / 212+ Def Tangrowth: 249-293 (61.7 - 72.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

+2 252 Atk Kartana All-Out Pummeling (175 BP) vs. 248 HP / 212+ Def Tangrowth: 311-366 (77.1 - 90.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

+2 252 Atk Kartana All-Out Pummeling (175 BP) vs. 248 HP / 212+ Def Tangrowth: 311-366 (77.1 - 90.8%) -- 25% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock


0 SpA Tangrowth Hidden Power Fire vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Kartana: 452-532 (174.5 - 205.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO

+2 252 Atk Kartana Corkscrew Crash (140 BP) vs. 248 HP / 212+ Def Tangrowth: 373-439 (92.5 - 108.9%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO

+2 252 Atk Kartana Corkscrew Crash (140 BP) vs. 248 HP / 212+ Def Tangrowth: 373-439 (92.5 - 108.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock
 
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Mega-Latias as a I don't know. Depends on your opponent plays and set, but if kartana has lost a little HP then it always is a counter by avoiding KO from every move and outspeeding+killing it with icebeam. Sorry but I couldn't make shorter than this. Counter to AoA SD Kartana!


Latias @ Latiasite
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Defog / Calm Mind
- Recover
- Ice Beam
- Thunderbolt

+2 252 Atk Kartana Smart Strike vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Latias-Mega: 250-295 (68.6 - 81%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

+2 252 Atk Kartana All-Out Pummeling (175 BP) vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Latias-Mega: 208-245 (57.1 - 67.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 Atk Kartana Corkscrew Crash (140 BP) vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Latias-Mega: 250-295 (68.6 - 81%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 Atk Kartana Black Hole Eclipse (140 BP) vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Latias-Mega: 334-394 (91.7 - 108.2%) -- 50% chance to OHKO

0 SpA Latias-Mega Ice Beam vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Kartana: 208-245 (80.3 - 94.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO


However kartana is likely to take some damage before so latias-mega quickly becomes a counter; if your opponent is using that Z eclipse AND predicts latias bad luck though, the most common set is AoA kartana and latias hard counters it!
 

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Zapdos as a hard check


Zapdos @ Leftovers
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 248 HP / 240 Def / 20 Spe
Bold Nature
- Discharge
- Roost
- Heat Wave
- Defog

Fat Zapdos can wall any Kartana variant without Darkinium and kill it with Heat Wave. Darkinium variants still need rocks to be up to beat Zapdos.

+2 252 Atk Kartana Black Hole Eclipse (140 BP) vs. 248 HP / 240+ Def Zapdos: 317-373 (82.7 - 97.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

+2 252 Atk Kartana Corkscrew Crash (140 BP) vs. 248 HP / 240+ Def Zapdos: 237-279 (61.8 - 72.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery

0 SpA Zapdos Heat Wave vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Kartana: 792-936 (305.7 - 361.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
 
Venusaur-Mega as a check


Venusaur @ Venusaurite
Ability: Chlorophyll
EVs: 248 HP / 88 Def / 156 SpD / 16 Spe
Calm Nature
- Giga Drain
- Sludge Bomb
- Synthesis
- Hidden Power Fire

Venusaur-Mega easily tanks any of Kartana's moves bar Corkscrew Crash at +2, and OHKOs with HP Fire
+2 188 Atk Kartana All-Out Pummeling (175 BP) vs. 248 HP / 88 Def Venusaur-Mega: 183-216 (50.4 - 59.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+2 252 Atk Kartana All-Out Pummeling (175 BP) vs. 248 HP / 88 Def Venusaur-Mega: 189-223 (52 - 61.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+2 252 Atk Kartana Black Hole Eclipse (140 BP) vs. 248 HP / 88 Def Venusaur-Mega: 304-358 (83.7 - 98.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+2 252 Atk Kartana Leaf Blade vs. 248 HP / 88 Def Venusaur-Mega: 73-86 (20.1 - 23.6%) -- guaranteed 5HKO
+2 252 Atk Kartana Smart Strike vs. 248 HP / 88 Def Venusaur-Mega: 229-270 (63 - 74.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+2 252 Atk Kartana Corkscrew Crash (140 BP) vs. 248 HP / 88 Def Venusaur-Mega: 456-537 (125.6 - 147.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO
0 SpA Venusaur-Mega Hidden Power Fire vs. 8 HP / 60 SpD Kartana: 428-504 (163.9 - 193.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
0 SpA Venusaur-Mega Hidden Power Fire vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Kartana: 496-584 (191.5 - 225.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
 

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Lopunny @ Lopunnite
Ability: Limber
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- High Jump Kick
- Return
- Power-Up Punch / Fake Out
- Encore / Ice Punch

Mega Lopunny is noticably faster than Kartana and OHKOs it back with STAB High Jump Kick. This allows Lopunny to consistently come in and revenge kill Kartana, although it unfortunately doesn't help prevent Kartana coming in against something it forces out and getting a free KO off of it.
 
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Reserving Bulky Volcarona
someone else already used this!


Volcarona @ Firium Z / Leftovers
Ability: Flame Body
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe OR 248 HP / 196 Def / 64 Spe
Timid Nature / Bold Nature
- Fire Blast / Fiery Dance
- Quiver Dance / Will-o-Wisp
- Giga Drain
- Hidden Power Ground / Roost

Volcarona is a cool, er, hot, check to Kartana. If Kartana is at +2 though, watch out (hence this being a check), as standard Volc just dies to Z-moves, but Bulky Volc lives anything except +2 Black Hole eclipse.
 

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Latios as a check

Latios @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Draco Meteor
- Psyshock
- Defog
- Trick

Kartana has horrid Special Defense, so Latios is able to OHKO it even with a resisted Draco Meteor almost all of the time, and it's guaranteed if Stealth Rock is up. Furthermore, it can actually check Substitute variants to an extent even if they get a Substitute and a Swords Dance boost up, as they don't tend to run Smart Strike and +2 Leaf Blade fails to OHKO. It does need Kartana's Sub to be weakened enough to be put it in to Psyshock range or Kartana put into range of a -2 Draco Meteor, however.

252 SpA Latios Draco Meteor vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Kartana: 255-301 (98.4 - 116.2%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO
252 SpA Latios Draco Meteor vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Kartana: 255-301 (98.4 - 116.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock
+2 252 Atk Kartana Leaf Blade vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Latios: 227-267 (75.4 - 88.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+2 252 Atk Kartana Leaf Blade vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Latios: 227-267 (75.4 - 88.7%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
 
Hi, time for voting is up. Thanks for the activity. I will count the votes later.

The victim for this week is Z-Celebrate Victini.


Victini @ Normalium Z
Ability: Victory Star
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Celebrate
- Searing Shot
- Stored Power
- Focus Blast

Z-Celebrate allows Victini to boost all of its stats, making it a late-game cleaner that is hard to be revenge killed. STAB Searing Shot and Stored Power allows Victini to defeat common Pokemon like Celesteela, Tapu Koko and Toxapex. Focus Blast is a great coverage option for Victini to take out Tyranitar, Heatran and Greninja who resists its dual STABs. How do you check or counter this Pokemon in OU?
 
reserving chansey

Chansey as a counter.



Chansey @ Eviolite
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 SpD
Bold Nature
- Seismic Toss
- Toxic
- Stealth Rock
- Soft-Boiled

Due to its massive HP and Special Defense stats, Chansey can easily wall Victini even after a Z-Celebrate boost and then proceed to stall it out with Toxic + Soft-Boiled.

+1 252 SpA Victini Searing Shot vs. 248 HP / 8 SpD Eviolite Chansey: 130-154 (18.4 - 21.9%) -- possible 5HKO

+1 252 SpA Victini Stored Power (120 BP) vs. 248 HP / 8 SpD Eviolite Chansey: 156-184 (22.1 - 26.1%) -- 8.5% chance to 4HKO

+1 252 SpA Victini Focus Blast vs. 248 HP / 8 SpD Eviolite Chansey: 208-246 (29.5 - 34.9%) -- 12.8% chance to 3HKO
 
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Mega Latias as a counter.

Latias @ Latiasite
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Calm Mind
- Recover
- Stored Power
- Doesn't matter

Mega Latias hard-counters this Victini set by virtue of its bulk, typing, and access to recovery. It can then turn the tables on Victini by setting up Calm Minds to fuel its own Stored Power. Victini will, at most, burn it.

+1 252 SpA Victini Stored Power (120 BP) vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Latias-Mega: 86-102 (23.6 - 28%) -- guaranteed 4HKO after burn damage
+1 252 SpA Victini Searing Shot vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Latias-Mega: 72-85 (19.7 - 23.3%) -- 98.3% chance to 4HKO after burn damage
+1 252 SpA Victini Focus Blast vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Latias-Mega: 57-68 (15.6 - 18.6%) -- guaranteed 5HKO after burn damage

I'm sure you don't need calcs from Mega Latias's point of view, but here's one anyways:

+3 0 SpA Latias-Mega Stored Power (140 BP) vs. +1 0 HP / 4 SpD Victini: 167-197 (48.9 - 57.7%) -- 96.1% chance to 2HKO
 
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Reserving Mega Slowbro as a counter

Slowbro @ Slowbronite
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 252 HP / 216 Def / 40 SpD
Bold Nature
- Scald
- Calm Mind
- Slack Off
- Psyshock

Mega Slowbro can easily switch into Victini, and use it as setup fodder with CM.
+1 252 SpA Victini Searing Shot vs. 252 HP / 40 SpD Slowbro-Mega: 117-138 (29.6 - 35%) -- 13.9% chance to 3HKO
+1 252 SpA Victini Stored Power (120 BP) vs. 252 HP / 40 SpD Slowbro-Mega: 140-165 (35.5 - 41.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
+1 252 SpA Victini Focus Blast vs. 252 HP / 40 SpD Slowbro-Mega: 93-110 (23.6 - 27.9%) -- 90.4% chance to 4HKO

0 SpA Slowbro-Mega Scald vs. +1 0 HP / 4 SpD Victini: 146-174 (42.8 - 51%) -- 2.7% chance to 2HKO

Slowbro's niche above other pokemon that can check victini is that it can setup on victini without fail, as it is immune to critical hits thanks to shell armour. Therefore, slowbro is an extremely solid check to victini. Additionally, it should always be near full health thanks to pre-mega regenerator.
 
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Reserving Z-Psychic latios

Calm mind Latios as a counter



Latios @ Psychium Z
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Draco Meteor
- Psyshock
- Recover
- Calm Mind

Latios is easily able to stomach any of Victini's move by the virtue of it's typing (
+1 252 SpA Victini Stored Power (120 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Latios: 113-133 (37.7 - 44.4%) -- guaranteed 3HKO), and can use it as a calm mind fodder in conjuction with roost.
 
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Reserving Mantine

Mantine as a counter



Mantine @ Leftovers
Ability: Water Absorb
EVs: 248 HP / 136 Def / 124 SpD
Calm Nature
- Roost
- Scald
- Haze / Toxic
- Defog


Mantine is one of the best answers to Victini that is currently available, having the notable niche of being able to remove Celebrate's stat boosts, rendering Stored Power and Victini useless in most matchups, as Victini doesn't have the raw power to break through Balance and Muscle Past Offence without a boost.

Mantine can easily roost of any damage, as well as remove any hazards in the face of victini, only truly fearing a critical hit.

+1 252 SpA Victini Stored Power (120 BP) vs. 248 HP / 124+ SpD Mantine: 153-180 (41 - 48.2%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

+1 252 SpA Victini Searing Shot vs. 248 HP / 124+ SpD Mantine: 63-75 (16.8 - 20.1%) -- possible 7HKO after Leftovers recovery

+1 252 SpA Victini Focus Blast vs. 248 HP / 124+ SpD Mantine: 51-60 (13.6 - 16%) -- possibly the worst move ever
 
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Offensively checking this Victini set is difficult, but here's one of the best options.

Check: Mega Camerupt

Camerupt-Mega @ Cameruptite
Ability: Magma Armor
EVs: 128 HP / 252 SpA / 128 Spe
Modest Nature
- Fire Blast
- Earth Power
- Rock Slide
- Nature Power

This can take any one hit from a boosted Victini, and Earth Power needs only a tiny amount of chip damage to 1HKO.


Calcs:
252+ SpA Sheer Force Camerupt-Mega Earth Power vs. +1 0 HP / 4 SpD Victini: 306-360 (89.7 - 105.5%) -- 37.5% chance to OHKO
+1 252 SpA Victini Searing Shot vs. 128 HP / 0 SpD Camerupt-Mega: 97-115 (30.9 - 36.7%) -- 71.9% chance to 3HKO
+1 252 SpA Victini Stored Power (120 BP) vs. 128 HP / 0 SpD Camerupt-Mega: 235-277 (75 - 88.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+1 252 SpA Victini Focus Blast vs. 128 HP / 0 SpD Camerupt-Mega: 157-185 (50.1 - 59.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
 
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