Alright I only got to play one day this week and I made it to 1502 and since decayed to like 1490 or something. To be totally honest I was struggling on ladder with Bisharp, really bad.
So overall I was a huge fan of Shaymin and I hated Bisharp. I'm going to give ZShaymin a 4/5 and I will give Rocks Bisharp a 1/5
So I actually loved this thing. This was the set I used -
Shaymin @ Normalium Z
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Celebrate
- Seed Flare
- Dazzling Gleam
- Hidden Power [Fire]
As pretty much everyone already said Shaymin has pretty bad 4MSS but I didnt think it was too much of a problem. It's not really the type of sweeper you just slam on some random HO core and say okay well there a sweeper. It actually takes a lot of thinking to make sure you are using this thing the proper way. You need to build the team around it to cover it's biggest weakness (the move slots). I pretty much believe that dazzling gleam is 100% a staple. It almost always can hit something on the other team and tons of people just use dragons as their grass checks. So that being said, you have one free more slot to use whatever you want. Seems like the options are psychic/earth power/air slash/hidden power and you need to base that last coverage off the rest of your team and what mons you need this Shaymin to wear down or kill. On top of that I found that hazards really help net some of those KOs so a spikes are good and rocks obviously.
Besides that, the bulk of this thing is awesome after the boosts. It can actually take some hits and still be useful which is pretty cool and it gives more set up opportunities. I actually really liked using Z Shaymin and I think it's legitamtly pretty good and something I would try again in the future.
Shaymin @ Normalium Z
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Celebrate
- Seed Flare
- Dazzling Gleam
- Hidden Power [Fire]
As pretty much everyone already said Shaymin has pretty bad 4MSS but I didnt think it was too much of a problem. It's not really the type of sweeper you just slam on some random HO core and say okay well there a sweeper. It actually takes a lot of thinking to make sure you are using this thing the proper way. You need to build the team around it to cover it's biggest weakness (the move slots). I pretty much believe that dazzling gleam is 100% a staple. It almost always can hit something on the other team and tons of people just use dragons as their grass checks. So that being said, you have one free more slot to use whatever you want. Seems like the options are psychic/earth power/air slash/hidden power and you need to base that last coverage off the rest of your team and what mons you need this Shaymin to wear down or kill. On top of that I found that hazards really help net some of those KOs so a spikes are good and rocks obviously.
Besides that, the bulk of this thing is awesome after the boosts. It can actually take some hits and still be useful which is pretty cool and it gives more set up opportunities. I actually really liked using Z Shaymin and I think it's legitamtly pretty good and something I would try again in the future.
This mon is honestly bad. I remember when I used to play that Bisharp was a monster, killing literally everything with barley an answers. Now Bisharp is pretty lame and rocks Bisharp is complete and absolute trash. This is the set i had the most luck with
Bisharp @ Life Orb
Ability: Defiant
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Iron Head
- Sucker Punch
- Knock Off
I cant express in words how much I hated this thing. You cannot fit rocks on Bisharp, you just cant. You have to drop SD or pursuit, both of which are better than rocks. On top of that UU has a ton of really good rockers so why would I make my Bisharp garbage when I could use something good.
My two big points are that Bisharp just gets set up on by everything. I lost a way too many games because Bisharp cant do enough damage. Komo DDs in your face, Infenape NPs in your face. I even had a game where a regular defensive Altaria just DDed in my face while iron head did 30. I wanted to run taunt, I really think that would have been better than Sucker Punch.
Even worse than that is Bisharp cant even switch it on a lot of Defoggers. Rotom H could overheat or Will-o-wisp you, Moltres blows you away, Malt slams you, even Lati just dracos you and than switches out because you cant even fit pursuit because of rocks. Just sooo many negatives for getting up rocks, I dont see how it could ever be worth it.
I really wanted to try maybe a set with Taunt/Rocks/Pursuit/Iron Head but I'm sure even that would be bad probably. I also thought maybe some sort of scarf set might work like Pawniard runs in LC but I didnt have time to test them out. The only small success I would was just running classic HO but I even think any other Bisharp would have been better on that team.
Bisharp @ Life Orb
Ability: Defiant
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Iron Head
- Sucker Punch
- Knock Off
I cant express in words how much I hated this thing. You cannot fit rocks on Bisharp, you just cant. You have to drop SD or pursuit, both of which are better than rocks. On top of that UU has a ton of really good rockers so why would I make my Bisharp garbage when I could use something good.
My two big points are that Bisharp just gets set up on by everything. I lost a way too many games because Bisharp cant do enough damage. Komo DDs in your face, Infenape NPs in your face. I even had a game where a regular defensive Altaria just DDed in my face while iron head did 30. I wanted to run taunt, I really think that would have been better than Sucker Punch.
Even worse than that is Bisharp cant even switch it on a lot of Defoggers. Rotom H could overheat or Will-o-wisp you, Moltres blows you away, Malt slams you, even Lati just dracos you and than switches out because you cant even fit pursuit because of rocks. Just sooo many negatives for getting up rocks, I dont see how it could ever be worth it.
I really wanted to try maybe a set with Taunt/Rocks/Pursuit/Iron Head but I'm sure even that would be bad probably. I also thought maybe some sort of scarf set might work like Pawniard runs in LC but I didnt have time to test them out. The only small success I would was just running classic HO but I even think any other Bisharp would have been better on that team.
So overall I was a huge fan of Shaymin and I hated Bisharp. I'm going to give ZShaymin a 4/5 and I will give Rocks Bisharp a 1/5