UU Updates - Council Minutes & Community Surveys

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June 1st:

Immediately after Keldeo and Pelipper dropped, the council began to discuss the possible impacts of both rain and of Keldeo as a whole. Several sets were theorized with their possible effects on the metagame being discussed in the process. We talked about specs, toxic variants, and even CM taunt sets. We largely believed drizzle to be broken from the get-go, but Hogg cautioned us to be patient, asking for the council to test out drizzle in case of its potential brokenness being predicated on a single mon that could be banned, rather than drizzle by itself. We discussed how several rain abusers could prove to be unhealthy for the meta, such as mantine, barraskewda, ludicolo, heliolisk, and drednaw.

June 2nd:

Moute brought up CM taunt keldeo, while CBU mentioned the viability of specs+toxic keldeo. Moute believed keldeo to not be inherently broken, while CBU mentioned how he believed rain to be largely unhealthy. We then briefly talked about DLC and possible drops in the future. More keldeo sets were brought up, while Adaam pushed for a wholesale drizzle ban. Adaam then asked us how we were checking Keldeo on our builds, to which he mentioned how he lost to a mixed set with icy wind and megahorn. Accel brought up how AV Reuniclus and Jellicent served as passable counterplay. Adaam then mentioned how he believed we didn't have sufficient counterplay for Keldeo in the tier's current form. Misa then mentioned how she believed rain to be broken as a playstyle, with her and hogg both posting the rain teams they've used on the ladder. Later, roamer brought up how he believed Keldeo to be ridiculous in its current form, noting its viability versus the vast majority of the tier. Rillaboom was then briefly discussed by Hogg and Freeroamer.

June 3rd:

I asked what our plan was going forward on pelipper/drizzle, to which hogg asked the council if we needed more time to see whether drizzle by itself was broken. We decided on an extension regarding the vote, to allow more time to test the playstyle and the mons. CBU mentioned how he believed the playstyle to be inherently broken because of its abusers. Scope Shot Inteleon was brought up, while AV reuniclus was discussed as a possible means of counterplay to rain. Donphantastic then brought up Drednaw's viability as a swift swim abuser, while TDK mentioned specs Pelipper as a viable option on rain. Keldeo was briefly brought up, with Adaam wanting to see it in play outside of rain.

June 4th:

Hogg brought up his experiences with Snipe Shot Inteleon and how he enjoyed using it on rain builds. Drednaw sets were then discussed, with members like CBU, Adaam, and Freeroamer noting the viability of the mon. Freeroamer mentioned how we should expedite a drizzle vote with ULT finals coming up, to which several council members expressed their support. More rain mons were discussed, while the possibility of drizzle Politoed being broken was also brought up, which led to numerous members wanting a wholesale drizzle ban.

June 5th:

IP mentioned being ready to vote on drizzle.

June 6th:

Moute asked when we were voting, DLC was discussed.

June 7th:

DLC further discussed, Hogg and TDK mentioned that they were writing up the Drizzle vote. Hogg mentioned council minutes, i volunteered to write them.


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Covering June 8th till now:
  • HAs dropped for Rillaboom, giving it Grassy Terrain. Some cheesers discussed the viability of Raboot with Libero
  • Drizzle vote happened and it was unanimously banned
  • Accelgor stepped down from council :psycry:. Lilburr will be taking his place
  • With DLC looming, council discussed any possible quickbans, zeroing in on Chansey. Nothing else seemed problematic
  • TDK called yeezyknows a simp.
  • Some speculation about what drops UU might get from OU. This discussion mainly focused on if Scizor was good enough in OU to stay there this generation.
  • Grassy Seed is beginning to emerge as a monstrous threat on Pokemon like Reuniclus and Necrozma. Donphantastic mentions how Necrozma is a potential suspect candidate. Adaam, Moute, and Freeroamer all mention that Grassy Seed in general is overbearing and can warrant a potential Rillaboom suspect.
  • DLC drops. Moutemoute really dislikes Chansey. Council decides to vote on a Chansey quickban
  • Council discusses over how the new moves affect the tier. People mention how Indeedee and Barraskewda get better, while Rillaboom emerges as a top tier threat.
  • TDK owns vivalospride


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Covering June 20th till now :
  • UU council talked about the potential drops we could get such as Terrakion, Mimikyu or Scizor. We also talked about how the metagame could evolve. Threats such as Kyurem were mentionned but also Snarl Toxtricity who will probably be better with drops such as Palossand. Hogg provided to the council the stats from the Charity Bowl tournament which help us to see what kind of Pokemon could drop but also which ones could rise (Rillaboom and maybe Weezing-Galar).
  • Freeroamer talked about Shell Smash Terrain Pulse Blastoise which can be nice under Psychic Terrain or Grassy Terrain. Other Pokemon which have some potential with terrain support were brought on the table such as Gallade or Terrain Pulse Clawitzer.
  • Lily asked to the council, its opinion on Toxtricity and overall the council agreed that it was managable and will be even more easy to handle after the shifts.
  • Hogg talked about SD LO Superpower Rillaboom and shared a Screens HO with it while Lily complained about Expanding Force Indeedee. On her side, Misa complained about Rising Voltage Raichu-A + Pincurchin by sharing a few replays of Raichu-Alola in action. Moutemoute tried her team and agree that Raichu-A was strong but also said that Electric Seed + Necrozma was even more dangerous in his opinion.
  • Necrozma was rised as an issue and the council tried to see which drops way me able to deal with it. Things like Darkest Lariat Krookodile were discussed. The council also agreed that it was better to wait the drops before taking any action agaisnt Necrozma.
  • UU council talked about which UUBL could be retest alongside drops of july shifts and decided to make a vote on Crawdaunt, Gengar, Gyarados, Obstagoon and Weavile. Following this vote, Crawdaunt, Gengar and Obstagoon were reintroduced in UU alongside drops.
  • Shifts happened. UU council joked about the fact that Scizor didn't dropped but Aegislash did. Hogg explained that UU was going back to beta in order to allow the council to fix it as soon as possible by doing voting slates rather than public tests to rapidly move things into and out of UUBL in an attempt to quickly settle the metagame.
  • Quickly some council members rised some issues for the tier such as Aegislash, Conkeldurr, Gengar but also Scolipede and Terrakion. SkarmBliss was also talked about as a potential issue. Gengar was brought multiple times on the table as a nasty threat which was able to bypass a lot of its checks thanks to Nasty Plot and Focus Blast. The same applied to Aegislash with sets such as Mixed Autotomize, Choice Band, Choice Specs, Air Balloon Swords Dance or SubToxic.
  • UU council talked about nice additions to the tier such as Lycanroc-Dusk, Tyranitar, Tentacruel and Slowking and Pokemon which have become a bit better such as SubCM Keldeo or Choice Band Barraskewda.
  • Multiple members of the council asked to do our first votting slate as soon as possible. Council exchanged to decide which Pokemon should be vote on. Adaam made us gdoc to see which Pokemon were the most controversial.
  • Sabella was added to the council.
  • UU council decided to vote on Aegislash, Conkeldurr, Crawdaunt, Gengar and Obstagoon.
  • Aegislash, Conkeldurr and Gengar were banned and no-other UUBL were unbanned.
  • Scolipede is discussed as the next potential ban. At the same time, some council members explained that we should wait to reintroduce some UUBL Pokemon because it could biaised our opinions on other threats.


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-Moute decided that enough was enough and demanded that the rest of us vote to ban Scolipede. Donny P agreed. Everyone else was terrified.
-Concerns were raised about Jirachi; some of the council believe that it is too much for the tier to handle, and some are unsure. It was agreed that we will be keeping an eye on it for the time being, but would not act rashly.
-We talked about the influence of Future Sight + Teleport combinations on the tier and how they benefit wallbreakers, particulary strong Fighting-types.
-Adaam broke his glasses.
-Krookodile's great versatility was mentioned, and we talked about how good it is at blanket checking a ton of threats and keeping rocks up.

-Everyone thought CM Colbur Reuniclus was great for about 5 minutes and then decided it wasn't.
-Moute's move orders made me sad.
-We talked about Ditto's potential in the tier now and decided that it's very good in certain matchups and could be a great pick, but it's hard to fit on a team due to its lack of consistency.
-We talked about voting to re-test Durant and Mamoswine. Some council members thought that we should vote on the rest of UUBL too, but it was decided against at this time to avoid a massive shake-up during UU Open.
-CBU expressed concerns about Mimikyu and its impact on the tier. We agreed that it's gone under the radar somewhat, but are not thinking about taking action on it just yet.
-The council brought up issues we felt were plagueing the tier. People expressed issues with Scolipede. Blissey, Terrakion, Lycanroc-Dusk, and Mimikyu.

-Hogg owned someone on the ladder with a Ditto.

-Booty theorised that Ditto and Hatterene would be great choices in the current meta thanks to their anti-offense capabilities.
-CBU is depressed that Tyranitar isn't ruling the meta.
-We ended up voting on Blissey, Scolipede, and Terrakion. We also voted to re-test Durant, Mamoswine, and Primarina.
-Freeroamer called me lucky for the 2385723578th time.
-We talked mostly about Terrakion and decided that, despite its insane offensive presence, it's not too difficult to deal with. Most of us agreed that it's fine at the moment.
-Adaam and Viv flirted.
-Everyone agreed that Primarina is stupid and shouldn't be retested. Tony tried to free it anyway.
-I thought Durant would be fine. Nobody agreed with me. It wasn't fine. :clown:
-We talked about some other UUBL Pokemon, mostly Dracozolt, but decided not to let it roam the tier yet.


-We talked about Reuniclus again. CBU REALLY likes Reuniclus.
-I told everyone that Jellicent is the best mon in the metagame and nobody believed me.
-Rocky Helmet Druddigon was brought up as a neat anti-meta threat.
-CBU got mad at a Galarian Slowbro.

-TDK made a deez nuts joke.
-Mamoswine was brought up a potential problem. We decided that it was fine for now, since we'd be checking on it again within the week anyway.
-Adaam called me woke.

-Adaam brought up Jirachi again. Lots of the council has become increasingly concerned about the warping effects it has on the tier, but it's also got a lot of positives, so we're not sure about whether it'd be better to ban it or to keep it here.
-We talked about the possiblity of Blissey moving back up to OU, and how that would impact the tier.
-Booty invented semi-stall.

-We talked about the possibility of freeing the rest of UUBL again, though nothing came of it yet.
-Tony OHKOed an Eternatus with a resisted hit and got really excited about it.
-Scyther was brought up, and everyone agreed that despite Skarmory's sky-high usage, it's a really good Pokemon in the meta.

-Defensive Talonflame was talked about. Flame Body is broken.
-Durant was brought up again, and everyone seemed to agree that it's really broken even with the new additions to the tier. We talked about Mamoswine at the same time, and most of us seemed to agree that it wasn't really overbearing at all anymore.
-Shift Gear Toxtricity was brought up, particulary mixed variants that use Drain Punch to take advantage of Blissey.
-Mimikyu was brought up again, though this time not as a problem, just as a very good Pokemon.

-UU WCOP was brought up :eyes:
-We questioned whether Inteleon was viable or not. It was not.

-Teleport was brought up more seriously. Slowking in particular was brought up as a huge abuser of the move, but Blissey was deemed potentially problematic too. We don't know if it's unhealthy, but it's definitely concerning.
-Moute has moved on from hating Chansey. He now hates Durant.

-Adaam has now decided that Lycanroc-Dusk is broken. In unrelated news, he thinks Mudsdale is an A+ Pokemon.
-We debated Terrakion vs Lycanroc for a while and decided that Terrakion's general bulk and typing makes it better in most cases, but we also agreed that Lycanroc is scarier to face.
-Haxorus was brought up again, as a Pokemon we could potentially retest. Its newfound access to Scale Shot is conerning, though.
-Adaam got owned by AV Crawdaunt.

-TDK baited us into thinking there was a vote to do and then told us to talk about whether we thought Boots were broken or not as a result of a recent Policy Review thread. Most of us think they're fine.
-CBU hates Volcarona and refers to it as Rona, much to the dismay of the rest of the council.
-Moute mentioned that we should write up another set of Council Minutes soon. I volunteered to do it and then forgot.
-CBU won for WCOP and everyone was proud of him GREECE MOTHERFUCKERS
-We voted on Durant and Mamoswine once more. Moute also brought up Crawdaunt as a potential problem.
-We had a debate about the impact of Slowking on the tier. Some of us feel like it's restricting, some feel like it's fine.

-Surprisingly literally nothing of substance happened but Hogg made goose puns.

-We discussed the viability of hazard-based hyper offenses. The advent of boots has ruined their viability a lot, but Mimikyu makes them pretty viable still.
-The tier leaders brought up the potential of a vote on Terrakion, Lycanroc-Dusk, and Jirachi, as well as a re-vote on the rest of UUBL. Most of the council agreed that the rest of the list is pretty bonkers, though.
-Adaam called Steelix unviable again.
-TDK reminded me to write these up and I spent like an hour doing it.


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-We talked about some potential drops from OU. Choices included Alolan Marowak, Togekiss, Magnezone, Mew, and Bisharp.
-Moute loved CB Krook but his move orders still upset me.
-We talked about Shift Gear + Drain Punch Toxtricity which was cool and all but now Blissey's gone so it's officially unviable
-CBU is even more hinged on Polteageist than before. No matter how unviable we say it is, he finds a way to top the ladder with it.
-Donny P invented boots Mienshao, as evidenced by this chat log:

-Boots Heliolisk was brought up again as a cool mon that we should've used before
-CBU convinced Hogg to run 216 speed Skarmory bc he rly still believes Pangoro is viable. Tony got mad at us for calling it "Turbo Skarm", insisting that it is "Nascarmory" and nothing else.
-I defended CBTar to the grave PLEASE I WANT HIM TO BE GOOD
-vivalospride was owned by Adaam apparently
-There are literally like 1000 lines about SM UU to sift through WE HAVE #oldgens_uu FOR A REASON

-Moute told us we would be losing Crawdaunt and I got really sad
-Adaam uses unviable Rotoms
-Freeroamer bought into the Polteageist propaganda and I blame his British nature entirely
-We talked about freeing Diggersby but nothing really came of it at this point.

-We talked about Magic Room Jirachi. Yes I'm serious.
-We talked about voting to ban some Pokemon - Terrakion, Lycanroc-Dusk, and Jirachi. This didn't end up happening.
-Moute has once again moved on from hating Durant this time. Now, he's angry at Crawdaunt.
-We talked about the possibility of sending out a survey to specific UU players based on a multitude of factors. This survey would gather their opinions on what's most unhealthy in the tier and would be used to influence council decisions going forward.
-Hatterene was talked about after its initially slow growth, lots of us think it was underrated at first and that it's proving to be a very scary Pokemon.
-Jirachi has been brought up as an unhealthy presence but we were hesitant to vote on it bc we think it's something that should probably be a public suspect test.
-I'm a liar

-IP can't count.
-Diggersby was talked about again, this time a bit more seriously, but CBU brought up Mega Kick and scared everyone off so we didn't decide on anything.

-We took an informal vote on what we felt were the most problematic Pokemon in the tier - most people agreed that Terrakion, Lycanroc-Dusk and Jirachi were big issues, and a couple of people expressed concerns about Crawdaunt.
-Flame Body Talonflame is broken apparently

-We talked about time limits thanks to current tournaments like UUWC, UU Open and the upcoming Snake Draft.
-CBU didn't believe that Scarf Diggersby would be viable but then he kept getting smashed by it when we freed it
-Roamer is a liar too

-Fat Cobalion was brought up with Toxic + Volt Switch but nobody talked about it after like 2 minutes :(
-We had a long discussion about the pros and cons of Terrakion and Lycanroc-Dusk.
-We voted on the guys. Tony still wants to free them all. I agreed. Moute was unhappy.
-Everyone thought Ninetales-A would be broken. We had a long discussion about that vs Grimmsnarl, and the respective strengths and weaknesses of each.
-We realised we'd be losing Blissey. Nobody was sad.

-Talonflame was brought up again and Adaam showed us like 10 sets for it somehow

-We talked about WCOP. Our priorities are in the right place.

-Moute gassed Hatterene every day this week but I forgot to say it until now
-Someone brought up Counter Slowking which was great but then they realised it's not actually legal lmao L
-Hogg used max spdef Tyranitar and walled literally every single special attacker in the tier without fail

-We talked about UUWC, specifically a 2nd SM slot vs an ADV slot, but most of the real discussion was kept in the super secret hosting channel :eyes:
-Adaam called vivalospride a simp.

-We further discussed how we would go about our survey thing.
-Venusaur got freed and we spammed Sun on the ladder like the anarchists we are.
-Moute made memes.
-Hogg told us about how fat Tyranitar is again.

-We discussed Diggersby again following its unban since it had kinda gone under the radar in favour of Sun mons, and we felt it was still pretty unhealthy.

-We feared that we might have to ban Charizard but then OU took all the sun guys so we didn't have to
-Donny P owned a Noivern with Rock-type Weather Ball.

-TDK tried to convince us that Centiskorch is viable.
-Adaam invented SD Scizor
-TDK tried to convince us that Centiskorch is viable again like 2 hours later
-We had a discussion about whether Venusaur or Charizard is a bigger issue on sun teams and eventually decided "nah they're both broken this is pointless"

-We voted on Diggersby and Venusaur again and to the surprise of nobody they were banned near-unanimously
-Moutemoute sent this image at least 20 times:

-Everyone loves Mienshao.

-Not much happened but we called SD Diggersby trash.

-TDK asked if we wanted to vote on Chansey if it ended up dropping to UUBL. The council was split, but it didn't end up dropping so we didn't have to deal with it.
-We got Bisharp! Unfortunately it didn't end up making much of a splash at all.

-Someone reminded me to do council minutes aaaand here we are.


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General note - the past few weeks have been very quiet in the council chat, primarily because we were all focused on getting Jirachi's suspect test out of the way and didn't have many other goals. For that reason, this iteration of Council Minutes may seem a bit more shallow. Sorry! :psysad:

-I was elected permanent council minutes person so now you guys are stuck with me

This was literally the only thing that entire day (referring to unlocking the Council Minutes thread so I can post)

-Moute complained that I hadn't done Council Minutes bc I was playing DOOM
-Viv talked about how good DOOM is and also mentioned other FPS games he likes a lot like MW2
-I wrote and posted Council Minutes despite having a headache, I'm such a trooper
-We talked about a public suspect test for Jirachi as opposed to a quickban. Yes, this is the first time we talked about the tier since the last time I did Council Minutes. Yes, we're slackers. Yes, vivalospride is a simp.

-IP brought up Boots Raichu and everyone that wasn't IP agreed that Heliolisk is better

-We talked about potential drops we might get from OU as a result of the Cinderace and Magearna bans for about 5 seconds
-We then had a five hour argument about what a Libero is and why it's an inaccurate name for Cinderace's hidden ability
-TDK called viv a manlet
-TDK then asked viv how tall he is
-I think I'm the shortest person on the council ;-;

-Zarude was released. We talked about the potential impact it'd have on UU bc there's no way it stays OU. Moute's first instinct was a Nasty Plot set. It has base 70 Special Attack.

-TDK played Trivia with us. If we get 50 likes on this post he'll put the questions in this thread

-We talked about Excadrill in this tier bc Moute said it's a shit steel. I didn't think it'd be banworthy bc we have like 50 guys that wall it and it owns Jirachi too. Everyone else thought I was on crack.
-I big time rush'd TDK

-vivalospride decided that Cobalion is not a Steel-type. It's bold, but he's right.

-We might get Alolan Marowak and Kommo-o :eyes:

-We continued to talk about how broken Jirachi is. Yes I'm serious

-We talked about the Snake signups pool and who we figured would get picked up to play UU.
-We discovered the Dragon Dance gif and Freeroamer continued to use it for weeks
-CBU posted a very illegal Jirachi gif and the rest of us were very concerned. I would post it here but I don't want to get infracted

-A story was born

-A story ended

-We talked about which Pokemon would make the best pets. I immediately thought about Mew, but hogg asked his son, and his son said it'd be Bulbasaur, so it's Bulbasaur.
-Inspirational quotes with the pokeaimMD


-We were told that the Jirachi suspect would be happening tomorrow (August 16th, not 27th, clowns)

-Moute made it to Grand Slam playoffs!! He was naturally very happy and told us. This is how it went:

-The Jirachi suspect test went up, and a few of us with conflicting opinions regarding being pro-ban or anti-ban talked about how we felt about the mon.

-viv kept moving the channels in the UU discord and he made the rest of us angry

-A few of us got reqs for the suspect test, not much else happened.

-Moute brought up doing council minutes again and it took me a whole ass week to do it whoops
-Everyone yelled at me for Life Orb Mixed Flygon's existence :(

-We questioned what we'd get from OU. Pretty much only decided on Alolan Marowak and Zarude, as well as Chansey going back to UUBL. There were other ideas though, like Slowbro!
-Kink wanted me to mention him in a humorous way in this council minutes so uhhh did you guys know that Kink puts the milk in the bowl before the cereal? I know, right?

-TDK got owned

-CBU lost to AV Jolteon

-Snake draft happened! Some of us got drafted and we were happy about it, and we were surprised to see certain unnamed people go undrafted (I will not name them because I don't know if I'm allowed to :blobsad:)

-Freeroamer and CBU played Pokemon Insurgence and we discovered that Freeroamer really likes Mega Blastoise

-vivalospride (simp) wanted to vote Do Not Ban on Jirachi, so we talked about its impacts on the tier. He felt that it was good for the tier thanks to its good role compression, others felt like its versatility was too much, stuff you've heard before probably.
-I told everyone Sylveon is good and nobody believed me :<
-I got owned by a Galarian Slowbro and everyone laughed at me

-Moute stickbugged TDK.
-Moute then sent pictures of cockroaches and they're ON THE PHOTOGRAPHER'S HANDSNJKGAEKLJHBNSDHKB
-We discovered that I am in fact NOT the shortest council member but I will not say who is


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Some people may be wondering why this thread hasn't been updated in a bit; basically I'm a little busy and there hasn't been too much council activity following the Lycanroc suspect, since we got news of the DLC's release date shortly after. I'll be resuming Council Minutes from November 1st (or whenever we get tier shifts), so stay tuned for that!! Apologies for the silence up until now.


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Most of the chatter between November 1st and November 14th was just us bitching about what's broken and what isn't and no tiering took place during that time, so I'll be going from November 15th onwards. Hopefully I'll manage to do this biweekly again!

-The only mon we get was Ditto LMFAO
-Moute wanted to ban everything as expected

-He sent way more ban-related gifs than this
-Seriously where tf did all these ban hammer gifs come from
-Hogg gave us a voting slate and if you're wondering how that went...

-We thought Blaziken walled Weavile but apparently it doesn't learn Roost???
-IP got owned


-Tony delayed the vote by fighting the Corona virus instead of the Dracozolt virus
-We discovered that we can't count and realised we needed a new council member. We promoted one a couple of weeks later, which you'll see in this post.
-I got votekicked
-Moute called Accel a simp. He then proceeded to simp for accel.
-We talked about things that we should be on the lookout for - the 5 Pokemon we recently voted on (Gyarados, Aegislash, Gengar, Volcarona, Terrakion) were brought up, alongside other potential issues like Azumarill, Victini, and Celesteela.
-Blacephalon, Dracozolt and Weavile got banned
-Freeroamer got owned by Trick Room a bunch of times


-CBU hates Amoonguss
-We talked about Sticky Web & how it kinda gets invalidated by Boots Zeraora since it's just too fast and strong enough to deal with virtually everything found on those teams

-Roamer's stall got owned by Mamo

-I made the best joke ever and nobody laughed but it was fucking hilarious so I'm putting it here anyway

-Adaam is my only friend

-Hogg wanted to ban Volcanion bc it owns all of his teams
-We discovered that Gengar is broken

-We talked about Celesteela again and its potential unhealthiness but not much really came of it bc it was EU morning so nobody was online except myself and CBU
-Booty came online and talked about Galarian Moltres for 5 minutes and then left again
-Adaam has the poorest excuse for a spacebar I've ever seen

-Hogg decided Scarf Victini was the truth and we all believed it. It's really good. Try it!


-I realise now that I'm mostly just posting funny screenshots but the chat is way funnier than it has any right to be these days
-We talked about some cool less used options like Tentacruel and Mamoswine that are very strong against current meta trends, mostly HippoSteela

-We started to talk about what could go on a voting slate, with Gengar, Volcarona and Aegislash being the main chocies

-Adaam kept getting owned by Thunder Wave Hydreigon
-Adaam also flamed someone on the ladder because they were mean to him
-We talked about Terrakion being broken and also Victini being kinda broken
-Azumarill is STUPID


-Booty wondered if Nidoking was good or not before realising that it's not in the tier

-Roamer got owned by Nidoquen and we talked about the mon for a while. It's pretty cool and great at trading but it mostly struggles from competition with Hippowdon + 4MSS, which explains its low usage.

-These were literally the only messages sent today

-We finally finalised our ideas for a voting slate. We also discussed the potential of moving back to public suspect tests once this voting slate is over.
-Volcarona, Aegislash, Gengar, Gyarados and Terrakion were decided upon as the Pokemon we would be voting on

-Hogg dropped the voting slate on us and also announced that we'd be getting a new council member - congratulations, Ramolost!
-viv slandered my building fundamentals and then did the same thing to just about the entire community too

-Adaam disrespected Noivern and made me cry
-Zippy Zap Togedemaru was brought up (by me) and it was decided that it is broken (by me)
-We had a long ass argument about whether or not Terrakion is broken and ended up agreeing to disagree. You don't wanna see it, it was literally 500 messages long
-It was discovered that it's possible we get Blaziken pretty soon :eyes:

-Adaam owned viv by not accepting his challenge and then Roamer owned viv by doing the same thing. Get owned vivalospride noob

-We discovered Spikes Mew but like, not the HO lead thing, just a regular ass Spikes Mew and it's SO COOL

-Neutralising Gas Weezing owns Azumarill, who would've thought
-Scarf Hydreigon is god just like it was in SM let's gooo


-Ramo was officially added to council now!
-Booty held up the voting and made us all mad so we spammed him with booty emojis

-Moute posted a dab gif
-The guys got banned.

Phew that took a while. Like I said I'll try to keep this more consistent from now on, hope you guys enjoy reading!


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I'm skipping December because I'm too lazy to do it (I caught covid, holiday season made me busy, there are 13,000 messages to go through and I don't feel like doing it etc.). It was mostly just a lot of whining, but I'd like to congratulate user Adaam on his ladder peak which lasted from December 30th all the way to December 31st!

-We had a nice moment where we all wished each other a happy new year and then went back to flaming each other shortly after.
-We finally started talking about Latias and its impact on the tier. You can read more about my own opinion on it here.
-We also talked about Grassy Seed being kinda broken - it stopped seeing usage and kinda fizzled out but it's something we have our eyes on.

-We continued talking about Latias. This will be a reoccuring theme across these minutes.
-viv got framed for a crime he did not commit

-We complained about how unfun the ladder is.
-Adaam simped for Zarude. He now refers to it as "Dada" exclusively.

-IP got owned

-I feel like I say IP got owned every time I write one of these
-We started to talk about Scizor potentially being unhealthy, and by "we" I mean Ramolost, who was promptly owned by the entire council for sharing this opinion
-Misa came back and simped for Scizor and then proceeded to spit facts

-We reminisced about early UU, the Dynamax meta where we managed to actually use Braviary unironically
-Adaam wants to unban Aegislash

..okay my head's starting to hurt and I can't go through the rest of it at the moment but here's a rundown of what's happening in the tier:

-UU Champs has been going steady and is currently in the semifinals with finals being posted tomorrow! You can follow it here.
-There is a solid chance that Latias will be suspect tested in the near future, most likely within half a week or so. Keep your eyes peeled for that!
-vivalospride is a simp
-UU Analyses have opened back up and anyone is welcome to reserve one! We're always looking for new contributors. If you have any questions then you can feel free to hit us up in the analyses channel in our Discord server.
-UU Room Events have been going strong lately with a lot of dedicated tour hosts. Be sure to swing by and play, we host daily tour nights now and accommodate for all timezones whenever possible!
-BigFatMantis is hosting the UU Community Pool tournament, be sure to watch the games that come out of that!
-The Teambuilding Lab has opened back up and is now accepting requests, so if you want a team built for you then that's the place to go.
-Other forum projects like Research Week and Next Best Thing are going strong and could use your support!

I promise I'll get back to writing the amusing version of these minutes whenever I'm feeling better, but for now it's not really feasible. Some other council members may do the next one or two editions. Hopefully an update on the tier's happenings will suffice for now!


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Hiya everyone!

Shamelessly copying from OU and Ubers, we here at UU have decided to start taking in community surveys periodically. As a council we only know so much, and all input from those who spend their time playing the tier is incredibly valuable and appreciated. We'll announce these every so often here, in the UU Discord, and probably in the UU PS! room too.

Here's the first one - February 5th, 2021.

I'll be sending out another one of these in a couple of weeks after we've taken some time to let the meta shape itself without Latias's presence in the tier. Please respond to both forms if possible. Thank you!


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And here are the stats from the first survey! Thank you to the 129 responders who gave feedback.

Enjoyment level

The good news here is that people seem to be enjoying the tier a lot; obviously in an ideal world we'd want these numbers to be a lot higher, but this isn't too bad. We're glad to see that you guys are enjoying it; of course, there is a significant portion of people who are at a 6 or lower - about 36% of you. Sorry about that, hopefully some upcoming tiering decisions will help with how you feel.

Stability & balance

This is where things take a slight turn for the worse; not that many of you think the tier is in a great state. Fun maybe, but clearly not balanced as a tier should be, leading to awkward teambuilding restrictions and possibly frustrating gameplay. As a council we've obviously been constantly looking at ways to solve this, and thanks to the next parts of the form, we have some ideas of where to go next.


Quite the even split here. The council will, naturally, be keeping a pretty close eye on Terrakion - our inner voting has lead to a supermajority believing it should be banned from the tier, and public opinion also points towards a slight bias in favour of a suspect test. We're unsure about whether or not Terrakion will be next on the chopping block, but it is looking like a likely candidate.


Slightly more in favour of a test here than Terrakion, Victini has quickly proven to be one of the most centralising forces in the tier in the wake of Latias's ban. Having no true counters and very few long term checks makes it an absolute nightmare for most teams. The council will also be keeping a very close eye on Victini - for those curious, though, our inner voting for Victini was an exact 50/50 split on ban vs do not ban.


An interesting result here, most people would be in support of or unopposed to an Aegislash retest. While this is not likely to be our next course of action, it is certainly something to keep in mind; Aegislash was not given a public suspect test and, despite its raw power, it was still a very close council vote too. This is something we will likely revisit in the near future.

Overall plan going forward

It doesn't seem like people are too sure on what to do going forward but a lot of you seem interested in either a Terrakion or Victini suspect test. We will certainly be keeping that in mind, I can assure you guys of that.

Other issues were brought up in the final section - Kommo-o, Azumarill, and Zeraora being the main three. We've been talking a fair bit about these lately and while it's unlikely any will see a suspect test in the near future, I promise they're not going under the radar. This feedback is massively appreciated regardless and if nothing else, you guys made me read like 90 paragraphs so.

I'll still be sending out another form in a week or so unless we decide to take any action before then. It's not a guarantee or anything but the tier hasn't changed a lot post-Latias so it's possible we will do something sooner than expected.

Thanks all for taking part in the survey!


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Covering the first two weeks of February now! Council activity has been a bit lower than usual with about ~4.3k lines so far this month, but here we go:

-I created a survey to poll the tier's playerbase, the council helped me out with writing questions.

-My messages were 3 hours apart :sob:
-We discussed Zeraora and Victini and whether or not they're unhealthy in the current meta. Council opinion on these threats is very split. We're keeping a close eye on Victini nowadays, with Zeraora being less of a priority because it's likely to rise to OU before we get a chance to suspect test it anyway, but it's still on the table as a potentially unhealthy problem.

-viv forgot to provide proof of ownership of his alt and got owned


-The Latias vote was ongoing at this time so we had very little to talk about other than "fuck I hope it gets banned"

-We did a lot of talking but like it was all pretty much just "PLEASE BAN LATIAS"

-I made the survey public!


-Not much happened except for hogg owning an Amoonguss

-We discussed some survey data, though the survey hadn't officially closed at this point. The most commonly requested thing at this point was a Terrakion suspect test.

-People also wanted us to do something about the state of hyper offense in the tier. While we think it has gotten better lately, I promise we're still keeping an eye on it!
-I got flinched 23 times in a row by a Zen Headbutt Jirachi and Accel calculated the odds and uh

I'm very upset

-I owned Ramolost

-We argued for like an hour about whether or not Amoonguss is a Scizor check it was kinda sad

-Survey results were finalised, we looked at the data and ended up coming to the conclusion that a suspect test for Terrakion was the best way to go moving forward. It was the most popular option among council members by a long shot, and was still reasonably requested by the community too.
-@robjr returned as a council member!
-We discussed potential ramifications of an Aegislash retest. This included which Pokemon would thrive, which would suck, and whether or not it would help with Terrakion. While it is likely that it will happen eventually in the future, most of us agree that we have more pressing issues at the moment, and when those are sorted out we can consider it.
-Adaam asked who we thought would win between Kong and Godzilla. The following discussion was the most active the council had been in months. For reference, here are each council member's votes.

Kong: Tony, Adaam, Lily,
Godzilla: Moutemoute, Hogg,
The fuckin Kraken???: Ramolost
GHIDORA???: Donny P, viv


-We talked a lot about Boots Milotic. It got ranked recently, try it out!
-We also talked about unviable ass Suicune and why it's unviable. Use Keldeo.
-rob brought up SubCM Keldeo and why it's probably its best set in this meta, a lot of us agreed. It was an interesting conversation. We finally have a council member with a brain. Excellent.
-I calculated the density of Palossand relative to a real sandcastle and it's way heavier than it's supposed to be :/

-Ramolost revealed that he is a literal infant whose first team had a Zeraora on it like what??? That mon wasn't released until 2018 HELLO???

-viv bitched about demon Mew and that was p much it.

-We discovered that we'll probably be losing Slowking in our next shift and cried about it.
-Smog Awards voting was released! Adaam voted Ramolost for Worst uh... everything.

Following this we made the decision to suspect test Terrakion, which you can find the thread for here. Some other things happened such as Hogg stepping down from Tier Leader and UUPL Player Signups being released, which I'll go into more detail on in the next edition of Council Minutes, but enjoy this batch for now!
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