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On the topic of Mega-Sceptile. It got T16 at Portland, and I also brought it to Rutgers and got t4 (and went 3-2 at the NJ MSS the previous day). It has a niche in lightningrod, being a grass type that isn't weak to fire, and being really powerful and fast. Also it's one of the few grass types to resist ground (unlike amoonguss, kartana, venusaur, and ferrothorn). There aren't many offensive grass types in the meta right now, and the best one (Kartana) is only an electric resist on a technicality (it gets 2kod by pretty much any thunderbolt).

Oh, and it KOs Tapu Koko unless it's AV. I'd say about a third of the teams I faced this weekend had Koko and only one person brought it to a game. I used it over Mence/Latias (the other fits on my team comp for a mega) because it was a very solid counter to Tapu Koko and check to Tapu Fini.

I'd argue it's a pretty solid C rank pokemon.

edit: That being said: Discharge spam is a bad archtype and quick guard is a bad move. If you're basing your team around Mega-Sceptile, reconsider. I used it because it filled the weaknesses on my team, not as the central Pokemon. It's not a Pokemon you bring to every matchup like most Megas are.
 
Ok, off topic of sceptile, but, Mudsdale isn't C. Mudsdale shouldn't be ranked, period. Even on TR it just shouldn't exist. Its damage output is weak, and with the rise of more intimidators, milotic to compensate them, not to mention all the stuff that cucked it before, such as Landorus (the better ground type) and fini and basically anything that hits specially. Even verses other TR teams, it sucks, due to the fact anyone still running TR is running P2 and Araquanid, which'll shut it down fast.

Please, garchomp isn't even ranked. I know fini and other fairies are running around along with intimidators, but garchie did just fine in 2017 despite similar threats (granted fini wasn't as popular as it is now).
 
Mega Sceptile does indeed have a few cool tools. It also OHKOs Tapu Fini with Leaf Storm, assuming Fini is not too bulky on special side. That being said, the big issue with it is that it's offensive movepool is atrocious (with Dragon STAB being quite ehh and non-Grass moves being basically limited to HP and unreliable Focus Blast). Like said, it is dependent on matchups. Discharge spam is not really the reason to use it, neither is Quick Guard.

It fills the definition of C, perhaps C-. It has enough big combination of tools that no mon is able to fulfill, therefor it's C/C- IMO, but no higher than that.

Also Garchomp is not THAT bad that it should be unranked, it also should go to C/C-. The speed is the small niche over Lando-T (always outspeeds non-scarf Lele).
 
For this Mega Sceptile checking Tapu Fini point that was raised.... depending on the Fini SpA investment, it can actually OHKO Mega Sceptile with Moonblast. And if Fini has managed to get a Calm Mind off, it will guarantee the OHKO on Mega Sceptile and always survive a Leaf Storm. So I'm not convinced. Yet.
 
If you want an anti-tapu grass type, why not going for Venusaur ? it is slower, but bulkier and doesn't get wrecked by ice and fairy type attacks.

It is vulnerable to Lele though.
 
For this Mega Sceptile checking Tapu Fini point that was raised.... depending on the Fini SpA investment, it can actually OHKO Mega Sceptile with Moonblast. And if Fini has managed to get a Calm Mind off, it will guarantee the OHKO on Mega Sceptile and always survive a Leaf Storm. So I'm not convinced. Yet.
Hence why I didn't mention Fini in my post. Sceptile checks Fini in that Fini can't switch in if it's on the field and they have to call the switch and CM or moonblast to be safe. Even if they do CM if they have taken some damage they're still at risk of getting KO'd. It's not a counter to Fini, but it is a deterrent if you'd rather it not switch in.

If you want an anti-tapu grass type, why not going for Venusaur ? it is slower, but bulkier and doesn't get wrecked by ice and fairy type attacks.
If you're running Sceptile as an anti-tapu pokemon you're putting it in the wrong role. It's anti-tapu koko, but not only in that it can switch in but also because it keeps your teammates safe, so something like fini can set up CM next to it.

Other things it does include outspeeding adamant/modest scarf lando and KOing them with HP ice, and outspeeding and KOing Mence. It also resists ground, which once again, isn't the case for most other grass types.

I think Mega-Venusaur gives it a lot of competition for it's slot but I don't think (at least on my team) Venusaur would have worked as well, and thus I believe Sceptile has a niche on certain teams.
 
Can we possibly move shuckle to Eevee rank? I think it suits that tier very well because if you somehow set up power swap and TR you're definitely going to "snowball very quickly out of control" as the description for that tier it should be ranked in. Now, I haven't seen shuckle nearly as much as like chansey, but I think we should at least consider it, as it was popular as a good shitpost for a while.
 
Can we possibly move shuckle to Eevee rank? I think it suits that tier very well because if you somehow set up power swap and TR you're definitely going to "snowball very quickly out of control" as the description for that tier it should be ranked in. Now, I haven't seen shuckle nearly as much as like chansey, but I think we should at least consider it, as it was popular as a good shitpost for a while.
The difference is Shuckle is bad and Chansey has several solid finishes at tournaments. The best role for Shuckle is supporting Chansey. Shuckle without Chansey is one dimensional and everyone knows where it's going.
 
Just curious, with Incineroar and Landorus being the two best pokemon in the metagame and salamence also being a top tier threat, why isn’t milotic in at least A-
Fun Fact: In March Milotic had the highest raw usage to 1760 usage ratio on the Showdown VGC ladder among Pokemon in the top 50. In other words, Milotic is the most overrated pokemon. (That was true pre-Incineroar too, btw)

Actual answer to your question: Because Milotic isn't that good. It's viable, but it's not a counter to Incineroar and Landorus. It is a deterrent to those Pokemon, but not a counter. It doesn't do too much damage even at +1 and if you try to EV it to do damage it loses the one thing it's good at: being bulky. Wolfe explains why Milo fits on his team really well in his Charlotte team report - it works on that team because of toxic aegislash, grassy terrain to improve healing, the fact that he uses it for speed control, and the fact that he has multiple Pokemon to KO Koko and grass types.

Milotic has a niche, but it's not much better than it was pre-incineroar and is still worse than all the Pokemon in A- right now.
 
Yes, Milotic rose in usage, in PGL stats too, but if it's a good pokemon or not, really depends on the team. It's not a safe bet as most A pokemon.

Also, the battle between Incineroar and Landorus for the top spot is fun. Incineroar is back at N°1 lol

Also, Mimikyu rose, politoed droped, Gengar and Kommo rose again, Charizard dropped a bit, Kang is back at top-30
 
I don't think that TTar (and its mega) should be A+. It's a great mon obviously, but it really doesn't fit there with Lando-T / Incineroar / Koko / Fini, or "the top 4". It isnt really as meta defining as those. Lele, Cress etc. are all at A, while being higher on usage than TTar. TTar gets cucked by 3 of the 4 most used mons (Incineroar threatens TTar only if it runs Low Kick, though, which many of them do). Drop it to A.

I would probably argue Mega Metagross being dropped to A as well, just so that A+ is formed with "the top 4", which are all similar in a way that they are generally very easy to slap onto most teams. Mega Metagross isn't as slappable, and not to mention that it kinda gets wrecked by Incineroar. However, it is really powerful and scary mon, so keeping it as A+ is alright to me.
 
I don't think that TTar (and its mega) should be A+. It's a great mon obviously, but it really doesn't fit there with Lando-T / Incineroar / Koko / Fini, or "the top 4". It isnt really as meta defining as those. Lele, Cress etc. are all at A, while being higher on usage than TTar. TTar gets cucked by 3 of the 4 most used mons (Incineroar threatens TTar only if it runs Low Kick, though, which many of them do). Drop it to A.

I would probably argue Mega Metagross being dropped to A as well, just so that A+ is formed with "the top 4", which are all similar in a way that they are generally very easy to slap onto most teams. Mega Metagross isn't as slappable, and not to mention that it kinda gets wrecked by Incineroar. However, it is really powerful and scary mon, so keeping it as A+ is alright to me.
Agree on TTar, disagree on Metagross.

Metagross is easily the most splashable Mega and a ton of the meta revolves around beating it. It can, at worst, 2KO everything at A- or better except for p2 and Cress. It also has very good bulk. It's "counters" get 2ko'd and don't outspeed it. If you can make the right calls with metagross it's almost impossible to stop. It's pretty clearly in a tier above Char Y, Mence, and TTar.
 
Agree on TTar, disagree on Metagross.

Metagross is easily the most splashable Mega and a ton of the meta revolves around beating it. It can, at worst, 2KO everything at A- or better except for p2 and Cress. It also has very good bulk. It's "counters" get 2ko'd and don't outspeed it. If you can make the right calls with metagross it's almost impossible to stop. It's pretty clearly in a tier above Char Y, Mence, and TTar.
My thoughts also, for both mons in question.
 

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