Resource VGC 2025 Regulation I Viability Rankings

[Finabas]

These are the official Viability Rankings for VGC 2025 Regulation I. In this thread, we as a community will be ranking each and every usable pokemon into different tiers based on how viable we believe them to be. We encourage you to post your thoughts and opinions on on the various usable Pokemon in VGC and what tier you think they should belong in. Posts in this thread will be taken into consideration when deciding changes to the VR.

The general idea of this is to rank every usable Pokemon in VGC into different rankings that will go in descending order. Since we are evaluating the entirety of the metagame, we will not be splitting Pokemon based on their roles within teams - supportive and offe
nsive Pokemon will be ranked based on their impact that they have on the meta and the teams they will be brought for.

Finally, there will be a Council of experienced players who will discuss and vote on the ranking of each Pokemon. As the Series tend to be fairly short, we will be attempting to keep this up-to-date based on what's going on in the tournament scene and adapting our list based on both tournament results and ladder success as the metagame evolves. Keep in mind, your posts and insights are still very valuable to us and will be a factor in any changes that we make. This thread would be nothing without the community and all of your input, so if you feel you have a good grasp on the metagame and fully understand the forum rules, then don't be hesitant to post.

VGC 2025 Regulation I Viability Rankings

Restricteds

S
Calyrex-Ice
Calyrex-Shadow
Miraidon

A
Lunala
Zamazenta-Crowned

B
Koraidon
Kyogre
Terapagos

C
Groudon
Ho-Oh
Zacian-Crowned
-----------------------------------------------

Non-restricteds

S
Incineroar

A+
Chien-Pao
Grimmsnarl
Rillaboom
Urshifu-Rapid-Strike

A
Amoonguss
Flutter Mane
Iron Hands
Ogerpon-Hearthflame
Ursaluna
Whimsicott

A-
Brute Bonnet
Chi-Yu
Farigiraf
Ogerpon-Cornerstone
Raging Bolt
Tornadus
Volcarona

B+
Landorus
Urshifu

B
Dondozo
Indeedee-F
Iron Treads
Smeargle
Ting-Lu
Weezing-Galar

B-
Clefairy
Ditto
Iron Bundle
Iron Valiant
Ogerpon-Wellspring
Pelipper
Roaring Moon
Tatsugiri
Ursaluna-Bloodmoon
Walking Wake

C+
Entei
Iron Jugulis
Sinistcha
Sneasler
Tsareena

C
Annihilape
Dragonite
Scream Tail
Weezing

C-
Iron Crown
Torkoal


Please post intelligently or your post will be deleted and possibly infracted. If you disagree with a Pokemon's ranking, show evidence or make a strong argument to have it changed, "lol pikachu in A tier" will not be counted as an acceptable post. Happy posting!

 

[Tbolt]

Is there a reason why Ho-Oh is not on this VR? It's gotten consistently more usage and higher placements than Groudon over the most recent events.

I would probably put it in the B tier, but if you strongly feel that Ho-Oh is not on the same level as the other Pokemon put in that tier (which I wouldn't completely disagree with), then you should at least have it be ranked.

 

[Pearl]

Is there a reason why Ho-Oh is not on this VR? It's gotten consistently more usage and higher placements than Groudon over the most recent events.

I would probably put it in the B tier, but if you strongly feel that Ho-Oh is not on the same level as the other Pokemon put in that tier (which I wouldn't completely disagree with), then you should at least have it be ranked.

ho-oh was voted on so it being missing is 100% an oversight

ANYWAY

shameless self plug (with user zee's permission) - i recorded a video of myself rambling about my personal rankings as a way to motivate myself to actually get off my ass and contribute to this thread. it's a bit outdated by now since we took a little longer than originally planned to put the VR thread out there, but a decent chunk of the video should still hold true so i'll go ahead and drop it for those of y'all who are looking for a more elaborate explanation on some of the pokemon and how they're positioned in current (?) format. enjoy!

 

[Finabas]

Is there a reason why Ho-Oh is not on this VR? It's gotten consistently more usage and higher placements than Groudon over the most recent events.

I would probably put it in the B tier, but if you strongly feel that Ho-Oh is not on the same level as the other Pokemon put in that tier (which I wouldn't completely disagree with), then you should at least have it be ranked.

I simply missed it while putting the thread up, we voted for it to be in C mb

 

[Carrotman]

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These are the official Viability Rankings for VGC 2025 Regulation I. In this thread, we as a community will be ranking each and every usable pokemon into different tiers based on how viable we believe them to be. We encourage you to post your thoughts and opinions on on the various usable Pokemon in VGC and what tier you think they should belong in. Posts in this thread will be taken into consideration when deciding changes to the VR.

The general idea of this is to rank every usable Pokemon in VGC into different rankings that will go in descending order. Since we are evaluating the entirety of the metagame, we will not be splitting Pokemon based on their roles within teams - supportive and offe
nsive Pokemon will be ranked based on their impact that they have on the meta and the teams they will be brought for.

Finally, there will be a Council of experienced players who will discuss and vote on the ranking of each Pokemon. As the Series tend to be fairly short, we will be attempting to keep this up-to-date based on what's going on in the tournament scene and adapting our list based on both tournament results and ladder success as the metagame evolves. Keep in mind, your posts and insights are still very valuable to us and will be a factor in any changes that we make. This thread would be nothing without the community and all of your input, so if you feel you have a good grasp on the metagame and fully understand the forum rules, then don't be hesitant to post.

VGC 2025 Regulation I Viability Rankings

Restricteds

S
Calyrex-Ice
Calyrex-Shadow
Miraidon

A
Lunala
Zamazenta-Crowned

B
Koraidon
Kyogre
Terapagos

C
Groudon
Ho-Oh
Zacian-Crowned
-----------------------------------------------

Non-restricteds

S
Incineroar

A+
Chien-Pao
Grimmsnarl
Rillaboom
Urshifu-Rapid-Strike

A
Amoonguss
Flutter Mane
Iron Hands
Ogerpon-Hearthflame
Ursaluna
Whimsicott

A-
Brute Bonnet
Chi-Yu
Farigiraf
Ogerpon-Cornerstone
Raging Bolt
Tornadus
Volcarona

B+
Landorus
Urshifu

B
Dondozo
Indeedee-F
Iron Treads
Smeargle
Ting-Lu
Weezing-Galar

B-
Clefairy
Ditto
Iron Bundle
Iron Valiant
Ogerpon-Wellspring
Pelipper
Roaring Moon
Tatsugiri
Ursaluna-Bloodmoon
Walking Wake

C+
Entei
Iron Jugulis
Sinistcha
Sneasler
Tsareena

C
Annihilape
Dragonite
Scream Tail
Weezing

C-
Iron Crown
Torkoal


Please post intelligently or your post will be deleted and possibly infracted. If you disagree with a Pokemon's ranking, show evidence or make a strong argument to have it changed, "lol pikachu in A tier" will not be counted as an acceptable post. Happy posting!

VR IS UP! Anyway,

Pelipper B- -> C+
Hasn't seen a lot of success and was pretty mid even in the later parts of reg g already. I don't see it doing well enough here as there are better wide guarders out there now that there are 2 restricted options, and for the rest it gets pretty base stat diffed. A lot of teams don't necessarily need rain either.

Whimsicott A -> A-/B+
Not seeing enormous usage and for me it really just doesn't feel like an A mon for me currently

Gweezing B -> A-
I hate this mon, it is super annoying, and i hate that it is getting results and good usage. Nonetheless it deserves better than B, getting similar results and slightly more usage than Brute Bonnet for example

Ditto B- -> C+
Little usage, equally disappointing results, and value of copying a restricted feels a lot less than in reg g because you inherently have 2 of them.

Tsareena C+ -> B-
Pretty good on kyogre teams, getting alright results (certainly better results than ditto)

I have used up all my yap credit today, more yaps tomorrow (maybe)

 

[gephicka]

Grimmsnarl is A+ the format is so cooked… play vgc uu instead

i feel like there are too many shitmons in C tier- i have yet to see any of the mons in C with the exception of Scream Tail. I can’t see much of a reason not to put them UR- we’re over two major events into the format and these guys are flipping burgers

secondarily, why is iron crown C- rather than UR? as the kids say: what does he even do…

 

[Pengu]

i do agree with gephicka here, there are just a lot of shitmons that dont really belong in the tiers they are in imo. for example...


B+ --> C
Who is even using this guy anymore? Better yet, what is this dude providing? I just don't find a reason to justify Ursaluna-B at B-, since it certainly isn't on the same level as Ogerpon-W or Roaring Moon. Yeah it's strong, but it is really difficult to actually put on a team and most of the time, there are better options, especially considering teambuilding feels a bit more restricted due to there being two uber-level legends per team instead of just one.


C+ --> B-
Unlike Ursaluna-B, iron jugulis has been seeing success after success, finding its home nicely on kyogre and CIR compositions. Also, in no world is Entei the same level as jug. I just don't see any justification for jugulis to be this low, considering how powerful options like snarl and tailwind actually are.

C --> C- / UR
How did this guy even get here? Seriously outdated Pokemon, and this is coming from a Scarf Ape enthusiast. Coaching, Final Gambit and stuff are all good, but as of right now, not really good enough, especially since there are two restricted Pokemon now instead of just one. RIP to the monkey :(, goat is washed.

C --> UR
Again, WHAT DOES HE DO!!!??? Haze? Tailwind? Choice Band? Really not cut out for Gen 9, dual restricted, just doesnt feel powerful enough.

C- --> UR
Same reasons for dragonite on the power level idea. This mon also just isnt the best eforce user and only really is good into CIR and even if that because of HHP or just Trick Room in general. another goat is just washed man...

C --> C-
Worse Weezing-G overall, you just get a better MU into Zacian. I think this one is worth keeping on but can probably go UR just because it really hasn't seen too much usage yet.

i'll prob have more soon, stay tuned!

 

[LovelyLuna]

Everyone has already pointed out the really weak bottom tiers so I want to yap about some of the higher ranked stuff.

Raging Bolt from A- -> A

Raging Bolt had an awkward start to the format but has picked itself up and feels especially strong. Raging Bolt has become the closest thing to a staple for the core to beat right now; CSR Zamazenta. Its flexibility in item slot and moveset makes it a powerful team member, I'd say it's better than most of the Pokemon in A tier thanks to its position in the meta.

Chien-Pao from A+ -> A

On the other hand, Chien-Pao isn't a big fan of the way the meta is currently moving. Its usage is almost completely defined by Zamazenta, and many CSR Zamazenta teams are shifting to a bulkier playstyle with Incineroar as showcased in Bolonga. I don't think it belongs alongside the Pokemon shaping the meta right now and a tier above Amoonguss and Flutter Mane

Weezing-G from B -> B+ / A-

Simply being the most common Koraidon partner has allowed Weezing-G to consistently perform as well as Landorus and Urshifu, if not better. Landorus especially lacks a defined place in the meta and often competes with many Pokemon for teamslots. Weezing-G is even better right now because one of its favourite match ups (CSR Zama) is at the forefront of the metagame. Expect Weezing-G Koraidon to succeed in NAIC and more.

 

[Robbie35646]

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VR IS UP! Anyway,

Pelipper B- -> C+
Hasn't seen a lot of success and was pretty mid even in the later parts of reg g already. I don't see it doing well enough here as there are better wide guarders out there now that there are 2 restricted options, and for the rest it gets pretty base stat diffed. A lot of teams don't necessarily need rain either.

Whimsicott A -> A-/B+
Not seeing enormous usage and for me it really just doesn't feel like an A mon for me currently

Gweezing B -> A-
I hate this mon, it is super annoying, and i hate that it is getting results and good usage. Nonetheless it deserves better than B, getting similar results and slightly more usage than Brute Bonnet for example

Ditto B- -> C+
Little usage, equally disappointing results, and value of copying a restricted feels a lot less than in reg g because you inherently have 2 of them.

Tsareena C+ -> B-
Pretty good on kyogre teams, getting alright results (certainly better results than ditto)

I have used up all my yap credit today, more yaps tomorrow (maybe)

"getting similar results and slightly more usage than Brute Bonnet for example" Weezing teams very often have Brute Bonnet at this stage of the meta? Brute Bonnet's other relevant teams dont have Weezing (Koraidon Lunala). I dont necessarily disagree that Weezing can move up to B+ or something but i disagree with this line of reasoning strongly

 

[CapitanPabloskii]

View attachment 746037
These are the official Viability Rankings for VGC 2025 Regulation I. In this thread, we as a community will be ranking each and every usable pokemon into different tiers based on how viable we believe them to be. We encourage you to post your thoughts and opinions on on the various usable Pokemon in VGC and what tier you think they should belong in. Posts in this thread will be taken into consideration when deciding changes to the VR.

The general idea of this is to rank every usable Pokemon in VGC into different rankings that will go in descending order. Since we are evaluating the entirety of the metagame, we will not be splitting Pokemon based on their roles within teams - supportive and offe
nsive Pokemon will be ranked based on their impact that they have on the meta and the teams they will be brought for.

Finally, there will be a Council of experienced players who will discuss and vote on the ranking of each Pokemon. As the Series tend to be fairly short, we will be attempting to keep this up-to-date based on what's going on in the tournament scene and adapting our list based on both tournament results and ladder success as the metagame evolves. Keep in mind, your posts and insights are still very valuable to us and will be a factor in any changes that we make. This thread would be nothing without the community and all of your input, so if you feel you have a good grasp on the metagame and fully understand the forum rules, then don't be hesitant to post.

VGC 2025 Regulation I Viability Rankings

Restricteds

S
Calyrex-Ice
Calyrex-Shadow
Miraidon

A
Lunala
Zamazenta-Crowned

B
Koraidon
Kyogre
Terapagos

C
Groudon
Ho-Oh
Zacian-Crowned
-----------------------------------------------

Non-restricteds

S
Incineroar

A+
Chien-Pao
Grimmsnarl
Rillaboom
Urshifu-Rapid-Strike

A
Amoonguss
Flutter Mane
Iron Hands
Ogerpon-Hearthflame
Ursaluna
Whimsicott

A-
Brute Bonnet
Chi-Yu
Farigiraf
Ogerpon-Cornerstone
Raging Bolt
Tornadus
Volcarona

B+
Landorus
Urshifu

B
Dondozo
Indeedee-F
Iron Treads
Smeargle
Ting-Lu
Weezing-Galar

B-
Clefairy
Ditto
Iron Bundle
Iron Valiant
Ogerpon-Wellspring
Pelipper
Roaring Moon
Tatsugiri
Ursaluna-Bloodmoon
Walking Wake

C+
Entei
Iron Jugulis
Sinistcha
Sneasler
Tsareena

C
Annihilape
Dragonite
Scream Tail
Weezing

C-
Iron Crown
Torkoal


Please post intelligently or your post will be deleted and possibly infracted. If you disagree with a Pokemon's ranking, show evidence or make a strong argument to have it changed, "lol pikachu in A tier" will not be counted as an acceptable post. Happy posting!

ok for real, talonflame is B tier, not quite A or S. its the only mon to get priority tailwind along side SO MUCH COUNTERPLAY as a teammate for stuff like kyogre or csr or even countering trick room with a set like upper hand, tailwind, feint and taunt. upper hand for fake out and other prio like thunderclap, glide or sucker punch, feint for wide guard to enable spread attackers like the calys and the weather mons, while tailwind provides speed controll and taunt can shut down grimmsnarl and trick room strats. my personal favourite strategy against trick room with follow me is killing the partner and taunting the trick room user and since fake out is on some tr teams upper hand can keep your partner safe and allow them to kill the setter (most of this was written with kyogre or caly shadow in mind as they benefit most from talonflame) and i like to run eighter covert cloak to not have to click upper hand when you would also need tailwind or the one i use more: mental herb for the taunts from the likes of torn, whims or grimmsnarl to get tailwind up reliably

 

[Pengu]

ok for real, talonflame is B tier, not quite A or S. its the only mon to get priority tailwind along side SO MUCH COUNTERPLAY as a teammate for stuff like kyogre or csr or even countering trick room with a set like upper hand, tailwind, feint and taunt. upper hand for fake out and other prio like thunderclap, glide or sucker punch, feint for wide guard to enable spread attackers like the calys and the weather mons, while tailwind provides speed controll and taunt can shut down grimmsnarl and trick room strats. my personal favourite strategy against trick room with follow me is killing the partner and taunting the trick room user and since fake out is on some tr teams upper hand can keep your partner safe and allow them to kill the setter (most of this was written with kyogre or caly shadow in mind as they benefit most from talonglame)

What!? Talonflame is not the only Pokemon with priority Tailwind; Tornadus and Whimsicott are way better at that thanks to their better utility and bulk. Yeah, Talonflame isn't living anything. On top of this, your priority Tailwind is temporary due to Gale Wings. And what if you can't OHKO the Follow Me / Rage Powder Pokemon like an Amoonguss or Indeedee-F? Talonflame just isn't good and hasn't seen play because of its poor bulk, high competition for priority Tailwind, and it is very weak + has a bad typing (only good into Zama but if your MU is that bad you need to reconsider).

Would also like to note that a Pokemon shouldn't be A-Tier based on personal usage, or if it only works on one team, even if you won a regional with it (unless it is a meta staple). This is perfectly shown with Basculegion. It isn't on the VR, but it won at Portland. That's because it just isn't a consistent Pokemon. Something like Flutter Mane, although, is in A-Tier due to its consistent and high usage thanks to its utility, power, and able to pressure so many Pokemon. Talonflame just doesn't do much and holds a lot of competition with better Pokemon, most notably Tornadus (whims too).

 

[sheepie_sheep1]

Time to pointlessly advertise Zacian
Terapagos stays B
Changed my mind, very strong showing D1 of NAIC and some proven comps def deserves a B tier at least.
Zacian-Crowned C --> B
I think Swordfish is a stronger combination then CSR Pagos right now, and Zacian has other decent combos with Miraidon and CSR, so I believe it could go is B tier (particularly after a strong performance at NAIC).
Urshifu B+ --> B-
A much weaker version of Urshifu-R into the current meta imo, with the restricted it tries to threaten either being partnered with something that ruins it, so I don't think its position is quite as strong right now.
Also why is Weezing here...?

 

[Carrotman]

"getting similar results and slightly more usage than Brute Bonnet for example" Weezing teams very often have Brute Bonnet at this stage of the meta? Brute Bonnet's other relevant teams dont have Weezing (Koraidon Lunala). I dont necessarily disagree that Weezing can move up to B+ or something but i disagree with this line of reasoning strongly

At portland & Bologna, about 40-50% of gweezing teams had brute bonnet (to be precise; 38.89% at portland and 54.00% at bologna). At both of those same events, 46.67% at portland and 56.25% of brute bonnet teams at bologna had weezing.
"Brute Bonnet's other relevant teams dont have Weezing (Koraidon Lunala)."
In real events, brute bonnet teams have galarian weezing more often than galarian weezing teams have brute bonnet.

 

[Robbie35646]

View attachment 746336At portland & Bologna, about 40-50% of gweezing teams had brute bonnet (to be precise; 38.89% at portland and 54.00% at bologna). At both of those same events, 46.67% at portland and 56.25% of brute bonnet teams at bologna had weezing.
"Brute Bonnet's other relevant teams dont have Weezing (Koraidon Lunala)."
In real events, brute bonnet teams have galarian weezing more often than galarian weezing teams have brute bonnet.

Dont really thinks it makes sense to look at VGC this way, at Bologna the highest placing of either was T32, at Portland there were 3 Brute Bonnet in Top 8 and 2 Weezing-Galar. If you look at tournaments like Milwaukee or Utrecht there clearly is room for Brute Bonnet to be at the absolute top of the meta. There is only one pairing that Weezing-G really fits on and i bet that if you ask someone to name the standard Calyrex-Shadow-Rider Koraidon 6, Brute Bonnet would be on it, same for Koraidon Lunala and Koraidon Calyrex-Ice-Rider. Viability Rankings aren't supposed to be a thorough statistical analysis of the latest 2 regionals, because those already exist. They are an interpretation of the meta and its trends (obviously those are still important!!) by qualified players in a way that doesn't need an update after every single tournament because the stats changed.

 

[Carrotman]

Dont really thinks it makes sense to look at VGC this way, at Bologna the highest placing of either was T32, at Portland there were 3 Brute Bonnet in Top 8 and 2 Weezing-Galar. If you look at tournaments like Milwaukee or Utrecht there clearly is room for Brute Bonnet to be at the absolute top of the meta. There is only one pairing that Weezing-G really fits on and i bet that if you ask someone to name the standard Calyrex-Shadow-Rider Koraidon 6, Brute Bonnet would be on it, same for Koraidon Lunala and Koraidon Calyrex-Ice-Rider. Viability Rankings aren't supposed to be a thorough statistical analysis of the latest 2 regionals, because those already exist. They are an interpretation of the meta and its trends (obviously those are still important!!) by qualified players in a way that doesn't need an update after every single tournament because the stats changed.

Fair enough :/
Still weezing higher beliver

 

[Jesuuuus]

I really don’t understand why people use usage as a metric for how strong a Pokémon is. Of course the strength of a Pokémon affects its usage, but that is far from the only thing. Also, do you not have any actual thoughts on the strength of the Pokémon yourself???

 

[HallowedHarlequin]

I think it's less about raw usage numbers and more about usage numbers above a certain cutoff of success. Most of these posts are talking about usage within Top 8, Top 32, or Day 2, because seeing a pokemon used in those upper segments of tournaments demonstrates that it's a viable and credible option that has already seen some success. Put simply, it's evidence. It also shows us what types of teams it works well on; if 10 Sandslash enter a tournament, but the only 2 that make top cut are paired with Kilowattrel and all the ones that lost weren't, that gives us great information on what actually works for Sandslash, not just what we theorize or like about it.

 

[Carrotman]

This is not relevant to VR at all but i feel like it would be interesting to see how a VR would pack out with ranks being tied to projected usage using trends from past regionals. E.g. if a mon like brute bonnet was trending downwards it would use usage stats predicted at the next regional.

 

[thacrow]

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These are the official Viability Rankings for VGC 2025 Regulation I. In this thread, we as a community will be ranking each and every usable pokemon into different tiers based on how viable we believe them to be. We encourage you to post your thoughts and opinions on on the various usable Pokemon in VGC and what tier you think they should belong in. Posts in this thread will be taken into consideration when deciding changes to the VR.

The general idea of this is to rank every usable Pokemon in VGC into different rankings that will go in descending order. Since we are evaluating the entirety of the metagame, we will not be splitting Pokemon based on their roles within teams - supportive and offe
nsive Pokemon will be ranked based on their impact that they have on the meta and the teams they will be brought for.

Finally, there will be a Council of experienced players who will discuss and vote on the ranking of each Pokemon. As the Series tend to be fairly short, we will be attempting to keep this up-to-date based on what's going on in the tournament scene and adapting our list based on both tournament results and ladder success as the metagame evolves. Keep in mind, your posts and insights are still very valuable to us and will be a factor in any changes that we make. This thread would be nothing without the community and all of your input, so if you feel you have a good grasp on the metagame and fully understand the forum rules, then don't be hesitant to post.

VGC 2025 Regulation I Viability Rankings

Restricteds

S
Calyrex-Ice
Calyrex-Shadow
Miraidon

A
Lunala
Zamazenta-Crowned

B
Koraidon
Kyogre
Terapagos

C
Groudon
Ho-Oh
Zacian-Crowned
-----------------------------------------------

Non-restricteds

S
Incineroar

A+
Chien-Pao
Grimmsnarl
Rillaboom
Urshifu-Rapid-Strike

A
Amoonguss
Flutter Mane
Iron Hands
Ogerpon-Hearthflame
Ursaluna
Whimsicott

A-
Brute Bonnet
Chi-Yu
Farigiraf
Ogerpon-Cornerstone
Raging Bolt
Tornadus
Volcarona

B+
Landorus
Urshifu

B
Dondozo
Indeedee-F
Iron Treads
Smeargle
Ting-Lu
Weezing-Galar

B-
Clefairy
Ditto
Iron Bundle
Iron Valiant
Ogerpon-Wellspring
Pelipper
Roaring Moon
Tatsugiri
Ursaluna-Bloodmoon
Walking Wake

C+
Entei
Iron Jugulis
Sinistcha
Sneasler
Tsareena

C
Annihilape
Dragonite
Scream Tail
Weezing

C-
Iron Crown
Torkoal


Please post intelligently or your post will be deleted and possibly infracted. If you disagree with a Pokemon's ranking, show evidence or make a strong argument to have it changed, "lol pikachu in A tier" will not be counted as an acceptable post. Happy posting!

Raging Bolt from A- -> to A
It has been one of the most popular mons both in usage and results in the past 3 regionals. It has gotten a win, 3 or 4 top 4s, and many other appearances in cut. It has also done great in the latest VR tour. It is used in most of the popular Calyrex-S Zamazenta teams, and many others. Its results and relevance in the meta at the moment are certainly much better than the other mons at A-, and even some in A.