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Aaronboyer

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[Overview]
With the ability to run a physically biased offensive set, Weepinbell differentiates itself from other prominent sun hyper offense Pokemon such as Tangela and Bellossom. While Tropius does compete with Weepinbell as a physical Chlorophyll sweeper, Weepinbell sports not only a higher Attack stat but also higher Base Power on its physical STAB move. However, Weepinbell is exceedingly frail, being 2HKOed even by neutral hits such as Mawile's Hidden Power Steel and Relicanth's Rock Slide. Weepinbell is also not particularly fast outside of sun, making it susceptible to being revenge killed. Weepinbell has an exceedingly difficult time breaking past certain Pokemon like Golbat and Pelipper, as its Poison + Ground coverage only covers so much. Lastly, Weepinbell does not fit on any team archetype outside of sun hyper offense, as it's otherwise outclassed by other Grass- and Poison-types such as Cacturne, Roselia, and Arbok.

[SET]
name: Physical Sun Sweeper
move 1: Sunny Day
move 2: Sludge Bomb
move 3: Hidden Power Ground
move 4: Solar Beam / Swords Dance / Sleep Powder
item: Poison Barb
ability: Chlorophyll
nature: Naive
evs: 252 Atk / 4 SpA / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Sunny Day activates Weepinbell's Chlorophyll ability. Sludge Bomb is Weepinbell's strongest attack, severely damaging top-tier threats such as Hitmonchan and Flareon. Hidden Power Ground hits Rock-, Poison-, and Steel-types such as Magcargo, Arbok, Mawile, and Metang. Solar Beam helps Weepinbell break through Water-types and is the best attacking option against physically defensive Pokemon such as Lairon and Graveler. Alternatively, Swords Dance boosts Weepinbell's Attack stat to absurd levels, allowing it to OHKO a significant portion of the metagame if successfully used, while Sleep Powder generates free turns for Weepinbell to set up sun once more or fire off extra hits.

[ADDITIONAL SET COMMENTS]
Maximum Attack and Speed EVs allow Weepinbell to fire strong attacks and outspeed the entirety of the metagame under the sun. An alternate spread of 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe and a Jolly nature can be used if one opts not to run Solar Beam. Poison Barb boosts Weepinbell's strongest and most spammable attack, Sludge Bomb, to enable important KOs such as a 2HKO on physically defensive Tangela. Suicide leads such as Glalie and Swalot can assist not only Weepinbell but also other members of a sun hyper offense team by setting up Spikes or Sunny Day and then using Explosion to allow the next Pokemon to switch in safely. Bellossom, Tangela, and Flareon make fantastic partners as well, forming a solid offense core that takes advantage of the sun activating Chlorophyll and boosting Fire-type STAB attacks. Pokemon that can beat both Golbat and Pelipper such as Sudowoodo, Pikachu, and Plusle can help Weepinbell sweep. Weepinbell should be brought in late-game, as it lacks the power to immediately break through bulky Pokemon such as Sableye without a Swords Dance boost but excels at cleaning up thanks to its high Speed in the sun and mixed capability, making it rough for offense teams to face.

[Other Options]
Hidden Power Rock can be used to hit Bug- and Flying-type Pokemon such as Venomoth, Yanma, and Pidgeot for super effective damage. However, this comes at the cost of no longer being able to deal with Steel-types such as Mawile and Metang adequately. Hidden Power Fire can be used with a more specially oriented attacking set. However, such a set makes it hard for Weepinbell to distinguish itself from other special Chlorophyll sweepers such as Tangela and Bellossom. Leftovers gives Weepinbell gradual recovery, but Weepinbell is so incredibly frail that what little health it would restore pales in comparison to the extra damage output Poison Barb offers Sludge Bomb.

[Checks and Counters]
Golbat is the ultimate check to Weepinbell, as it resists all three of its attacks and KOes back with Aerial Ace. Golbat must be careful of the rare Hidden Power Rock, however. Pelipper is another great check to Weepinbell, as it can take an unboosted Sludge Bomb and fire back with Ice Beam. Tangela can also act as a stop to Weepinbell, as the Sunny Day sweeper set outspeeds Weepinbell and KOes it with Hidden Power, and the physically defensive set can stomach an unboosted Sludge Bomb and retaliate with Sleep Powder or Stun Spore. Any Pokemon that is faster than Weepinbell outside of sun, including Hitmonchan, Haunter, and Pidgeot, can take advantage of its frailty. If Weepinbell opts not to run Solar Beam and Sleep Clause is in effect, Huntail can tank Sludge Bomb, set up Rain Dance, and countersweep.


[CREDITS]
- Written by: [Aaronboyer, 239454]
- Quality checked by: [Oglemi, 40358]
- Grammar checked by: [[CryoGyro, 331519], [, ]


[CREDITS]
- Written by: [Aaronboyer, 239454]
- Quality checked by: [Oglemi, 40358]
- Grammar checked by: [[CryoGyro, 331519], [The Dutch Plumberjack, 232216]]
 
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I honestly think the set should be:
Sunny Day
Sludge Bomb
Hidden Power Ground
Solar Beam / Swords Dance / Sleep Powder

Getting something to set sun for you and to then safely get something as frail as weepinbell on the field is so difficult, not to mention and then follow that with an SD, leaving a crippled weep a total of two turns to click moves, and in that kind of effort you might as well just use bellossom. Therefore, weepinbell should be self sufficient, and this set accomplishes that by letting it set sun itself. Now, dropping sleep powder sounds insane, but honestly weepinbell should be wallbreaking or endgame sweeping only. If you want a full sweep or a better team player bring tang or bell. And weep really doesn't even need SD to accomplish a sweep, base 90 Attack is really good for something as fast as weepinbell in the sun, and the thing it has over bell and tang is the option to go mixed. Trop can too but sludge bomb hits way way harder than its hp flying. Solar beam makes sure weep can break through the waters you need to and is weeps best move against a lot of things.
 

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Shuckle is irrelevant to the NU metagame so I would probably just remove those mentions and replace it with something like Sableye, Swalot, Lickitung, or Pelipper. I've also never seen an Onix so I would be hesitant on including it despite it being able to Sunny Day and Explode, I would probably choose something a bit more reliable like Swalot if doing that honestly.

Also highlight the need to bring it late-game as it lacks the power to break through really bulky things (which also makes it bad against stall teams unless you think you can get an SD in), but excels at cleaning up thanks to its high speed in the sun and mixed capability, making it rough for offense teams to face.

Other than that you can write this up and move it into GP
 
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[Overview]

With the ability to run a physically-biased offensive set, Weepinbell differentiates sets itself apart from the other prominent sun hyper offense Pokemon such as Tangela and Bellossom. While Tropius does compete with Weepinbell as a physical Chlorophyll sweeper, Weepinbell sports not only sports a higher base Attack stat but also higher Base Power on its physical STAB move. However, Weepinbell is exceedingly frail, being 2HKOed even by comparatively weak neutral hits such as Mawile's Hidden Power Steel and Relicanth's Rock Slide. Weepinbell is also not particularly fast outside of sun and is susceptible to being revenge killed easily. Weepinbell also has an exceedingly difficult time breaking past certain Pokemon such as Golbat and Pelipper, as its Poison + Ground coverage only covers so much. Lastly, Weepinbell does not fit on any team archetype outside of sun hyper offense, as otherwise it's outclassed by other Grass- and Poison-types Pokemon such as Cacturne, Roselia, and Arbok.

[SET]

name: Physical Sun Sweeper
move 1: Sunny Day
move 2: Sludge Bomb
move 3: Hidden Power Ground
move 4: Solar Beam / Swords Dance / Sleep Powder
item: Poison Barb
ability: Chlorophyll
nature: Naive
evs: 252 Atk / 4 SpA / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

Sunny Day activates Weepinbell's own ability,(AC) Chlorophyll ability, doubling its Speed for the duration of the sun. Sludge Bomb is Weepinbell's strongest attack, severely damaging top-tier common threats such as Hitmonchan and Flareon. Hidden Power Ground hits opposing Rock-, Poison-, and Steel-types such as Magcargo, Arbok, Mawile, and Metang that would otherwise resist or be are immune to Sludge Bomb. Solar Beam helps Weepinbell's Poison STAB break through opposing Water-types and is the best attacking option against physically defensive Pokemon such as Relicanth and Graveler (Solar Beam is not the best option versus Lairon as it fails to 2HKO its SpDef set, and while it does more to 252HP/0SpD spreads than Hidden Power Ground, Hidden Power Ground will always 2HKO either Lairon set no matter what the spread is. Relicanth is a better example of a physically defensive Pokemon hit harder by Solar Beam.). Swords Dance boosts Weepinbell's physical Attack stat to absurd levels, allowing Weepinbell to OHKO a large portion of the metagame if successfully used. Sleep Powder generates free turns for Weepinbell to set up the sun once more again or fire off extra hits additional attacks.

[ADDITIONAL SET COMMENTS]

Maximum Attack and Speed EVs along with a Speed-boosting nature allow Weepinbell to fire off strong attacks and while outspeeding the entirety of the metagame under the sun. An alternate spread of 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe and a Jolly nature can be used if one opts to not run Solarbeam. Poison Barb boosts Weepinbell's strongest and most spammable attack, Sludge Bomb, helping reach secure important KOs such as the 2HKO of physically defensive Tangela. Suicide leads such as Glalie and Swalot can not only assist Weepinbell,(AC) but also other members of a sun hyper offense team by setting up Spikes or Sunny Day and then using Explosion to allow the next Pokemon to switch in safely. Bellossom, Tangela, and Flareon all make fantastic partners as well for Weepinbell, forming a solid offense core that takes advantage of the sun activating Chlorophyll or boosting a Fire-type STAB move. Pokemon that can beat both Golbat and Pelipper such as Sudowoodo, Pikachu, and Plusle,(RC) can help Weepinbell pave its way towards a sweep. Weepinbell should be brought in late-game as it lacks the power to immediately break through extremely really bulky Pokemon such as Sableye without a Swords Dance boost but excels at cleaning up thanks to its high speed in the sun and mixed capability capabilities, making it rough difficult for offense teams to face.

[Other Options]

Hidden Power Rock can be used to hit opposing Bug- and Flying-type Pokemon such as Venomoth, Yanma, and Pidgeot for super effective damage. This, however, comes at the cost of no longer being able to adequately deal with Steel-types such as Mawile and Metang. Hidden Power Fire can be used with a more specially-oriented attacking set. However, such a set makes it hard for Weepinbell to distinguish itself from other special attacking Chlorophyll sweepers such as Tangela and Bellossom. Leftovers gives Weepinbell gradual recovery, but Weepinbell is so already incredibly frail,(RC) and what little health it would restore pales in comparison to the extra additional damage output Poison Barb gives provides Sludge Bomb.

[Checks and Counters]

Golbat is the ultimate check to Weepinbell, as it resists all three of its attacks with ease and can OHKO it back with an Aerial Ace. However, Golbat must be careful, however of the rare Hidden Power Rock. Pelipper is another great check to Weepinbell, as it can eat an unboosted Sludge Bomb and fire back with an Ice Beam. Tangela can also act as a stop to Weepinbell, as the Sunny Day sweeper set outspeeds Weepinbell and KOs it with Hidden Power, and the physically defensive set can stomach a +0 an unboosted Sludge Bomb and retaliate with a Sleep Powder or Stun Spore. Anything Pokemon that is faster than Weepinbell outside of sun, including Hitmonchan, Haunter, and Pidgeot, can take advantage of its frail 65/50/45 lacking defensive stats. If Weepinbell opts to not run Solar Beam and Sleep Clause is in effect has already put another opposing Pokemon to sleep, Huntail can eat a Sludge Bomb, set up Rain Dance, and potentially countersweep.


I'm also gonna tag Oglemi, because I'm very surprised that there is no mention of one of Weepinbell's best defensive checks in Sableye, which is also the best defensive Pokemon in the tier in general. It takes nothing from Sludge Bomb and needs minimal SpD investment to avoid the 2HKO from Solar Beam (most run more than enough SpD anyway). While Sableye hates being poisoned by Sludge Bomb, its actually marginally better than being Toxic'd, and Sableye easily 3HKOs with Seismic Toss and has a high chance to 2HKO with Hidden Power Dark after just 1 layer of spikes. This should definitely be added to C&C in my opinion.
 

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[Overview]
With the ability to run a physically-(hyph)biased offensive set, Weepinbell differentiates itself from the other prominent sun hyper offense Pokemon such as Tangela and Bellossom. While Tropius does compete with Weepinbell as a physical Chlorophyll sweeper, Weepinbell sports not only a higher base Attack stat but also higher Base Power on its physical STAB move. However, Weepinbell is exceedingly frail, being 2HKOed even by neutral hits such as Mawile's Hidden Power Steel and Relicanth's Rock Slide. Weepinbell is also not particularly fast outside of sun, (comma) making it and is susceptible to being revenge killed easily. Weepinbell also has an exceedingly difficult time breaking past certain Pokemon such as like Golbat and Pelipper, as its Poison + Ground coverage only covers so much. Lastly, Weepinbell does not fit on any team archetype outside of sun hyper offense, as otherwise it's otherwise outclassed by other Grass- and Poison-types Pokemon such as Cacturne, Roselia, and Arbok.

[SET]
name: Physical Sun Sweeper
move 1: Sunny Day
move 2: Sludge Bomb
move 3: Hidden Power Ground
move 4: Solar Beam / Swords Dance / Sleep Powder
item: Poison Barb
ability: Chlorophyll
nature: Naive
evs: 252 Atk / 4 SpA / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Sunny Day activates Weepinbell's Chlorophyll ability, doubling its Speed for the duration of the sun. Sludge Bomb is Weepinbell's strongest attack, severely damaging top-tier threats such as Hitmonchan and Flareon. Hidden Power Ground hits opposing Rock-, Poison-, and Steel-types such as Magcargo, Arbok, Mawile, and Metang that would otherwise resist or be immune to Weepinbell's Poison-type STAB. Solar Beam helps Weepinbell break through opposing Water-types and is the best attacking option against physically defensive Pokemon such as Lairon and Graveler. Swords Dance boosts Weepinbell's physical Attack stat to absurd levels, allowing Weepinbell to OHKO a significant portion of the metagame if successfully used. Sleep Powder generates free turns for Weepinbell to set up the sun once more or fire off extra hits.

[ADDITIONAL SET COMMENTS]
Maximum Attack and Speed EVs allow Weepinbell to fire strong attacks and outspeed the entirety of the metagame under the sun. An alternate spread of 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe and a Jolly nature can be used if one opts not to run Solarbeam Solar Beam. Poison Barb boosts Weepinbell's strongest and most spammable attack, Sludge Bomb, helping reach to enable important KOs such as the a 2HKO of on physically defensive Tangela. Suicide leads such as Glalie and Swalot can assist not only Weepinbell but also other members of a sun hyper offense team by setting up Spikes or Sunny Day and then using Explosion to allow the next Pokemon to switch in safely. Bellossom, Tangela, and Flareon all make fantastic partners as well for Weepinbell, forming a solid offense core that takes advantage of the sun activating Chlorophyll or and boosting Fire-type STAB attacks. Pokemon that can beat both Golbat and Pelipper such as Sudowoodo, Pikachu, and Plusle, (comma) can help Weepinbell pave its way towards a sweep. Weepinbell should be brought in late-game, (comma) as it lacks the power to immediately break through bulky Pokemon such as Sableye without a Swords Dance boost but excels at cleaning up thanks to its high Speed in the sun and mixed capability, (comma) making it rough for offense teams to face.

[Other Options]
Hidden Power Rock can be used to hit opposing Bug- and Flying-type Pokemon such as Venomoth, Yanma, and Pidgeot for super effective damage. This, however, comes at the cost of no longer being able to deal with Steel-types such as Mawile and Metang adequately. Hidden Power Fire can be used with a more specially-(hyph)oriented attacking set. However, such a set makes it hard for Weepinbell to distinguish itself from other special attacking Chlorophyll sweepers such as Tangela and Bellossom. Leftovers gives Weepinbell gradual recovery, but Weepinbell is so incredibly frail, (comma) that what little health it would restore pales in comparison to the extra damage output Poison Barb offers Sludge Bomb.

[Checks and Counters]
Golbat is the ultimate check to Weepinbell, as it resists all three of its attacks with ease and KOes it back with an Aerial Ace. Golbat must be careful, (comma) however of the rare Hidden Power Rock, (comma) however. Pelipper is another great check to Weepinbell, as it can eat take an unboosted Sludge Bomb and fire back with an Ice Beam. Tangela can also act as a stop to Weepinbell, as the Sunny Day sweeper set outspeeds Weepinbell and KOes it with Hidden Power, and the physically defensive set can stomach a +0 unboosted Sludge Bomb and retaliate with a Sleep Powder or Stun Spore. Anything Pokemon that is faster than Weepinbell outside of sun, including Hitmonchan, Haunter, and Pidgeot, can take advantage of its frailty 65/50/45 defensive stats. If Weepinbell opts not to run Solar Beam and Sleep Clause is in effect, Huntail can eat a tank Sludge Bomb, set up Rain Dance, and countersweep.
 
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[Overview]
With the ability to run a physically biased offensive set, Weepinbell differentiates itself from other prominent sun hyper offense Pokemon such as Tangela and Bellossom. While Tropius does compete with Weepinbell as a physical Chlorophyll sweeper, Weepinbell sports not only a higher Attack stat but also higher Base Power on its physical STAB move. However, Weepinbell is exceedingly frail, being 2HKOed even by neutral hits such as Mawile's Hidden Power Steel and Relicanth's Rock Slide. Weepinbell is also not particularly fast outside of sun, making it susceptible to being revenge killed easily. Weepinbell has an exceedingly difficult time breaking past certain Pokemon like Golbat and Pelipper, as its Poison + Ground coverage only covers so much. Lastly, Weepinbell does not fit on any team archetype outside of sun hyper offense, as it's otherwise outclassed by other Grass- and Poison-types such as Cacturne, Roselia, and Arbok.

[SET]
name: Physical Sun Sweeper
move 1: Sunny Day
move 2: Sludge Bomb
move 3: Hidden Power Ground
move 4: Solar Beam / Swords Dance / Sleep Powder
item: Poison Barb
ability: Chlorophyll
nature: Naive
evs: 252 Atk / 4 SpA / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Sunny Day activates Weepinbell's Chlorophyll ability. Sludge Bomb is Weepinbell's strongest attack, severely damaging top-tier threats such as Hitmonchan and Flareon. Hidden Power Ground hits Rock-, Poison-, and Steel-types such as Magcargo, Arbok, Mawile, and Metang. Solar Beam helps Weepinbell break through Water-types and is the best attacking option against physically defensive Pokemon such as Lairon and Graveler. Alternatively, Swords Dance boosts Weepinbell's Attack stat to absurd levels, allowing Weepinbell it to OHKO a significant portion of the metagame if successfully used, (comma) while Sleep Powder generates free turns for Weepinbell to set up sun once more or fire off extra hits.

[ADDITIONAL SET COMMENTS]
Maximum Attack and Speed EVs allow Weepinbell to fire strong attacks and outspeed the entirety of the metagame under the sun. An alternate spread of 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe and a Jolly nature can be used if one opts not to run Solar Beam. Poison Barb boosts Weepinbell's strongest and most spammable attack, Sludge Bomb, to enable important KOs such as a 2HKO on physically defensive Tangela. Suicide leads such as Glalie and Swalot can assist not only Weepinbell but also other members of a sun hyper offense team by setting up Spikes or Sunny Day and then using Explosion to allow the next Pokemon to switch in safely. Bellossom, Tangela, and Flareon make fantastic partners as well, forming a solid offense core that takes advantage of the sun activating Chlorophyll and boosting Fire-type STAB attacks. Pokemon that can beat both Golbat and Pelipper such as Sudowoodo, Pikachu, and Plusle can help Weepinbell sweep. Weepinbell should be brought in late-game, as it lacks the power to immediately break through bulky Pokemon such as Sableye without a Swords Dance boost but excels at cleaning up thanks to its high Speed in the sun and mixed capability, (AC) making it rough for offense teams to face.

[Other Options]
Hidden Power Rock can be used to hit Bug- and Flying-type Pokemon such as Venomoth, Yanma, and Pidgeot for super effective damage. This, However, this comes at the cost of no longer being able to deal with Steel-types such as Mawile and Metang adequately. Hidden Power Fire can be used with a more specially oriented (RH) attacking set. However, such a set makes it hard for Weepinbell to distinguish itself from other special Chlorophyll sweepers such as Tangela and Bellossom. Leftovers gives Weepinbell gradual recovery, but Weepinbell is so incredibly frail (RC) that what little health it would restore pales in comparison to the extra damage output Poison Barb offers Sludge Bomb.

[Checks and Counters]
Golbat is the ultimate check to Weepinbell, as it resists all three of its attacks and KOes back with Aerial Ace. Golbat must be careful of the rare Hidden Power Rock, however. Pelipper is another great check to Weepinbell, as it can take an unboosted Sludge Bomb and fire back with Ice Beam. Tangela can also act as a stop to Weepinbell, as the Sunny Day sweeper set outspeeds Weepinbell and KOes it with Hidden Power, and the physically defensive set can stomach an unboosted Sludge Bomb and retaliate with Sleep Powder or Stun Spore. Any Pokemon that is faster than Weepinbell outside of sun, including Hitmonchan, Haunter, and Pidgeot, can take advantage of its frailty. If Weepinbell opts not to run Solar Beam and Sleep Clause is in effect, Huntail can tank Sludge Bomb, set up Rain Dance, and countersweep.

[CREDITS]
- Written by: [Aaronboyer, 239454]
- Quality checked by: [Oglemi, 40358]
- Grammar checked by: [[CryoGyro, 331519], [, ]]
 
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