NOC Working Title Mafia (Game Thread) [Mafia Wins]

des121 said:
Ya I get it. But redless doesn't think I'm helpful
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This is subjective; people expect too much from new players. They want you to make posts like mine, which are very long.

In my opinion, you were still learning and copying most of Lechen's, Hydreigon's, and my votes. Personally, I think you were helpful during the game. For example, in the last two rounds, you voted for Flandrs and Saber. That was crucial in my opinion.
 
des121 said:
I'm just going with my thoughts on ecat. Because he shouldn't have defended me all the time. He should have just let me defend myself ElectricityCat
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Alright, I just feel it's a bit strange that you're trying to vote against me when it's Redless who accused you. He even voted for you. Redless said it's more likely that you are mafia rather than me.

But if that's really how you feel... I'm just saying that I've been putting in a lot of effort, especially in these last rounds, taking strong stances against Joey, Flandrs, and Saber. I was wrong about Pulsar, I admit that, but Pulsar made very bad plays and the rest of the town supported me as well.

I have always tried to work with M2H, Lechen, HH, and even Catfries yesterday.
 
Redless made very strong points about his suspicions against Des. From what I have seen of Des until right now, I feel that she couldn't be mafia even so. Even though she's accusing me now. I did a post-by-post analysis and didn't see anything strange.

What Redless mentions, from my point of view, is a simple misunderstanding. Des changing his opinion so strongly and trying to vote for me gives me the feeling that maybe I am the one with the vote denied today and that she believed Redless would go against me today.

That would be under the assumption that Des is mafia. If we consider that Redless is mafia, I think the one with the vote denied would be Des, and that's why Redless tried to take a stand against Des so quickly.
 
ElectricityCat said:
Redless made very strong points about his suspicions against Des. From what I have seen of Des until right now, I feel that she couldn't be mafia even so. Even though she's accusing me now. I did a post-by-post analysis and didn't see anything strange.

What Redless mentions, from my point of view, is a simple misunderstanding. Des changing his opinion so strongly and trying to vote for me gives me the feeling that maybe I am the one with the vote denied today and that she believed Redless would go against me today.

That would be under the assumption that Des is mafia. If we consider that Redless is mafia, I think the one with the vote denied would be Des, and that's why Redless tried to take a stand against Des so quickly.
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I’m going to stay true to what I saw and felt throughout most of the game.

Redless said that Flandrs probably voted for Des the previous day to cover for her and avoid suspicion. But I don’t think that’s the case. Honestly, in my opinion, that’s decisive in believing that Des is town.

Because if Flandrs and Des were a team, Flandrs would have voted for someone random like Catfries and would have asked Des to make a lockvote on Catfries at the last second. That way, they would have won 100%.

I’m afraid my vote will go against Redless, for suspecting Des in a situation that I believe doesn’t fit.

##Lockvote Redless

I think my reasoning is strong enough to lock my vote. Des is up to you, don't change if you don't feel so. But I think Redless reading you as mafia was a big mistake on his part.
 
ElectricityCat said:
Because if Flandrs and Des were a team, Flandrs would have voted for someone random like Catfries and would have asked Des to make a lockvote on Catfries at the last second. That way, they would have won 100%.
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And even if that play had gone wrong, the worst outcome would have been a tie. Because we were 5 people and 1 had their vote negated. The result would be 2 against 2.

If Des and Flandrs had voted for something random like Catfries, it would have come down to a 50/50 coin flip to determine who would leave the game. And even if they lost that 50/50, they had another chance to do a 50/50 today. I definitely think the Mafia here is Redless.
 
ok so the vote is now incapable of landing on anyone else, so...
Votecount 6.Final: It's the final edition doo-do-doo-do, do-do-doo-do-doo
Redless (4): des121, ElectricityCat
des12 (1): Redless

Two votes locked on Redless, nothing else could spawn.
But now as you've read this, and went, "huh, what's wrong?", yeah...

You are a Vanilla Town, of the Village.

One of eight nine. Your strength is in your numbers. Two of your kind have been secretly chosen as Backups in case a villager with power dies.

You win if the Mafia and the Werewolf are eliminated with at least one town remaining.

As so, when the fight clears, you hope, then see you've been found, (You've been found)
At gunpoint, you fall. Figures so...

You are a Vanilla Town, of the Village.

One of eight nine. Your strength is in your numbers. Two of your kind have been secretly chosen as Backups in case a villager with power dies.

You win if the Mafia and the Werewolf are eliminated with at least one town remaining.

And with that, the Mafia have won.

Hello, ElectricityCat, StupidFlandrs48, and joey. You are the Mafia.

Between the three of you, you have a nightly kill that can be assigned to anyone. Select one of you and a target, and the target will die.

ElectricityCat is the Vote Negator, who may select a target to set their vote value to 0, even if they lock their Vote. This does not work on the Werewolf. Your target will not be informed that their vote is now worth 0. This effect lasts one day.
StupidFlandrs48 is the Rolecop. Pick a target and find their role. This will detect the Village Backups, even if they don't know their own power yet. As an information role, you will be notfied if the Jailkeeper stops you from completing this effect.
joey is the Backup. If either other of you dies, they may elect to pick up the dead role. This is permanent once chosen, but you only lock it in once your night action is resolved.

Any of you may both kill and perform a night action.

You win if the Village and the Werewolf are both eliminated while at least one of you remains, or if nothing can prevent the same.

Your Mafia Discord server: https://discord.com/invite/BVRb4CqNvC

Tracker Priority Backup: Alice Kazumi
Jailkeeper Priority Backup: genisu
 
ElectricityCat said:
##lockvote des121
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this is so egregious of an open wolfing moment it circled back around to being a gaslightable town moment lmfao

props to ecat for clutching the f3!

my siblings in christ on the village, y'all need to settle down and figure out how to actually solve someone's alignment.

none of you go back and study the wagons to see where flipped people have voted. past days' events don't matter to you, which is very problematic because you need to be holding people accountable for sliding onto villagers' wagons and keeping joey in their "would vote, is sus" pool while never ACTUALLY landing on joey. it does not take very advanced scum tactics to defeat smogon NOC towns, because you guys allow yourselves to be fooled by the most basic scum behaviors. mafia are never punished for anything they do, they are never pried into and held accountable for repeatedly ending up on villager wagons (ok, it doesn't help that some of your PRs also only ever vote other villagers), heck, ecat stalled out lockvoting at f5 which should have been an obvious indication he was mafia and hoping some villager would mess up (des not realizing the importance of locking there was also bad), locked onto his teammate, and then tried to switch his vote to hammer a villager, because the village didn't lock.

and neither remaining villager called him on this!

painful.

it's great to see so many intrepid young NOC players coming to the community! you can up your NOC game if you start focusing on peoples' actions and votes to scumhunt instead of talking in circles about nothing particularly alignment-indicative. start punishing people for putting a flipped scum in their PoE and always making an excuse to never actually end the day voting them! multiple NOCs now, a scum has been a leading wagon at some point in the day, their teammates plop onto someone else, and half-afk villagers drift onto that misvote wagon because "guess we need some wagon to go over." no, you need a non-town wagon to go over. if you know you have several people who will drop their final vote prior to eod, stop lowposting the rest of the cycle and find an actual target so you don't have 5 wasted villager votes at eod, forcing you to join a scum-designed wagon for maj.
 
ElectricityCat said:
##lockvote des121
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Agree mostly with what yeti said here. This shouldn’t be interpreted as an attack on any one player’s gameplay, but I don’t think mafia really won this game; I think town lost it. Ecat’s throw of a last-minute vote is only superseded by town’s failure to immediately hammer ecat for doing so, and this lack of vote awareness seemed to be present in the entire village
 
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Redless said:
1. pulsar512b
I do think she's playing poorly, but I don't really see her as scum -- I feel the early lock yesterday was actually a play that town is more likely to make, rather than scum.

2. Catfries
I don't think he's scum due to Lechen track, but could be.

6. saberslasher11
This guy is scum, based on feels.

7. Lechen
Claimed town PR.

8. Redless
I am town.

9. HydrogenHydreigon
M2H said he was blocked day 1, meaning he is not werewolf and is less likely to be mafia.

11. joey
I don't think he's particularly likely to be scum, but maybe a titch more than average.

12. ElectricityCat
This guy is scum, based on feels

13. des121
Generally like the way she's been playing this, but she's a null in terms of how much I trust her.

14. StupidFlandrs48
This guy is scum, based on feels.

My predict is like, Flandrs/Saber/ecat mafia, plus unknown wolf. I think Saber/ecat are more likely wolves than flandrs (who I don't think is wolf), and if one of them is wolf, I predict joey/des round out the mafia.

I'd expect that the wolf knows (or has a strong lead on) at least one member of the mafia by now, and I expect they'll be actively aiding the village by trying to get us to lynch mafia.
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I'm really proud of this.
 
Dead by Daylight (8): genisu, JALMONT, Redless, joey, Catfries
joey (5): Dead by Daylight, M2H, Alice Kazumi
des121 (2): Lechen
StupidFlandrs48 (2): HydrogenHydreigon
JALMONT (1): des121
Redless (1): ElectricityCat

No Vote: StupidFlandrs98


Final Votecount
Jalmont (11): M2H, Lechen, des121, Redless, Catfries, ElectricityCat
Redless (5): joey, JALMONT, StupidFlandrs48
Joey (4): saber, Hydro
Catfries (2): pulsar


pulsar512b (7): Lechen, des121, StupidFlandrs48, joey, ElectricityCat, Catfries
des121 (2): saberslasher11, Redless
Redless (1): HydrogenHydreigon
joey (1): pulsar512b


Votecount 4.af
saberslasher11 (6): StupidFlandrs48, ElectricityCat, Redless, des121
Redless (5): HydrogenHydreigon, Catfries, saberslasher11


Votecount 5.af - dl
StupidFlandrs48 (6) - Catfries, Redless, des121, ElectricityCat
des121 (2) - StupidFlandrs48

Really good play by ECat

So vote counts actually would not have helped this game (wagons themselves could’ve)

new!town have your own opinions!!! It’s ok if they’re wrong just don’t let any “village” leader really exist bc 90% in my experience they are scum on smogon
 
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