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Close said:
-SM +SS/other is a joke and rly no sense....

Guys, I've checked and today is not april fool's day
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tfw the much more diverse current meta has the same amount of slots as sm in the most important tournament of the year
that being said i still support ss bo7 over bo3o5

edit:i really dont fucking get the love for sm in the 1v1 tour stage,esp by people who havent played ss since like rachi was allowed or something (not directed at you close you're cool just in general)
 
1xSS (bo7)
2x SS(bo5)
2xSM(bo5)
1xORAS(bo5)
1xBW(bo5)
1xDPP(bo5)

Competitively speaking, I don't see why not keep the PL format for WC too.
It has an objective balance between current metagame and old gens, mainly referred to the pool of players who actually play / know how to play that specific tier than to the competitiveness of the tier. SM has reached a condition of good balance between building / skill level and this creates a metagame, which competitively speaking, reliable and playable and not minimally comparable to SS (although now it is taking the form of a playable metagame, but probably it will have its balance in a few months and probably during the wc). It is also the closest and most played old gen, reducing it to 1 slot to add one that is not exactly stable, in my opinion, is not the best choice cause tour's competitiveness lose smtg.
 
stableprince569 said:
Ever READ the posts in a thread you post in?
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Rosa said:
There's valid reason for both 3 ss and 2 sm, imo

On the one hand, more current gen (cg) slots means more development towards the cg metagame (consider the main wc being 8 cg slots), especially with the pending DLC getting ready to change everything.

On the other hand, most people who will be starting this tour like sm over ss.

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As far as identity behind each tournament goes;

- I believe PL is the best tour for balance, given the more balanced team creation format, and as such should have the most balanced lineup of formats between each of the main 1v1 metagames.

- Snake Draft is the more experimental tour, which features alternative metas to play besides your average oldgens, while still having somewhat of a balanced team creation format.

- World Cup is the best tour for newer players, given how the team creation format often relies on getting whoever you can, and as such, should probably be the most hospitable team tour environment for new players to get some time in the sun.

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When you look at who was involved in this recent PL, relative to who was involved in the last WC, it's clear to see that newer players are more of a driving force in the latter than the former, with even a WC team comprised mostly of newer players making playoffs!

With this in mind, I think it makes sense to cater WC towards the newer players, in the sense that we emphasize the cg more, since that is likely where their starting point for 1v1 as a general community and metagame will be, as opposed to the older gens which aren't easily accessible by means of ladder anymore.

tagging Alakazam and kjdaas for their thoughts (I already know Boat is stalking this thread)

E: oh and I forgot, someone brought this up in the discord: tiebreaks will just have SSBO5 as a default, rather than SSBO7 or the BO3O5, and teams will have the option to pick the BO3O5 if they so desire it.
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This post in particular makes it seem like slots are still being considered by the TDs, and was posted after the draft of slots.

Maybe you should consider reading the threads you post in?:blobthinking:
 
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Tol said:
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[23:15:04] Theheheheh: hey does anyone know where I can find the thing where it states what staff look for in a voice
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Some quick stats:
Bo3o5
Bo5 SS
Bo5 SS
Bo5 SM
Bo5 SM
Bo5 ORAS
Bo5 BW
Bo5 DPP
You have to build in one week:
15 SS Teams 15 SM Teams 10 ORAS Teams and 5 of each OG
Over pools:
45 SS Teams 45 SM Teams 30 ORAS Teams and 15 of each OG
Bo7 SS
Bo5 SS
Bo5 SS
Bo5 SM
Bo5 SM
Bo5 ORAS
Bo5 BW
You have to build in one week:
17 SS Teams 10 SM Teams 5 ORAS Teams and 5 of each OG
Over pools:
51 SS Teams 30 SM Teams 15 ORAS Teams and 15 of each OG

Holy shit 45 good SM teams sound ashine when the alternative is 30. Also, for the most part, I actually like the sound of 51 SS teams for developing the tier especially when you consider those made for Bo7 are likely to be of higher quality as opposed to the likely phoned-in teams for Bo3o5. Do w/ this very likely obvious information as you will, peace.
 
One of the main reasons I think there was much less opposing to the idea of having the same amount of SWSH and USUM slots is that none of us were completely aware of how shakened up the metagame would be after dlc, most of us assumed it'd be almost the same (sorta) stale meta that we had pre-dlc. Now that we have a clearer understanding of the current gen, I believe it is a valid complaint to want 3 SS, since much more people overall like the post dlc metagame.
 
Hopefully I'm not being blind...

Is there any reason why we've gotten hardly anything as of recent on what slots we're going to have (or at least somewhat of an idea what the TDs have in mind) for the tournament, outside of a desire to priortize current gen? Surely you've all been looking at the thread and have seen the proposition that is Bo3o5, might be a good idea to post your thoughts in the thread to get some feedback as the date of signups approaches instead of just letting the thread argue on with nothing close to an agreement in sight.

Just my thoughts
 
Mubs said:
Hopefully I'm not being blind...

Is there any reason why we've gotten hardly anything as of recent on what slots we're going to have (or at least somewhat of an idea what the TDs have in mind) for the tournament, outside of a desire to priortize current gen? Surely you've all been looking at the thread and have seen the proposition that is Bo3o5, might be a good idea to post your thoughts in the thread to get some feedback as the date of signups approaches instead of just letting the thread argue on with nothing close to an agreement in sight.

Just my thoughts
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noooo I’m having fun clowning on stable
 
whats the issue with keeping the PL slots ? gives enough SM representation with putting ss in the main spotlight, not to mention that it doesnt create the 45 pool games slot.

even if ur pro bo5o3 that slot just creates the issue of under-representing the current gen as people mentioned above or if ur trying to fix that by adding more ss>sm ur just making sm 1 slot which is as Close said really bad it basically goes from 4 sm slots last year to 1 which is very dumb.
 
Mubs said:
Hopefully I'm not being blind...

Is there any reason why we've gotten hardly anything as of recent on what slots we're going to have (or at least somewhat of an idea what the TDs have in mind) for the tournament, outside of a desire to priortize current gen? Surely you've all been looking at the thread and have seen the proposition that is Bo3o5, might be a good idea to post your thoughts in the thread to get some feedback as the date of signups approaches instead of just letting the thread argue on with nothing close to an agreement in sight.

Just my thoughts
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I've been away on vacation for the past several days, apologies for the delay.

Given people's since-increased interest in the current gen, it makes sense to have a greater focus on it.

For the time being, copying PL's slots seems ideal, including Bo7 returning over Bo3o5. Unless anyone has strong opinions regarding 2 SM vs 4 SS (1 Bo7 3 Bo5), I see no issues going forth with this.
SS 1v1 BO7
SS 1v1 BO5
SS 1v1 BO5
SM 1v1 BO5
SM 1v1 BO5
ORAS 1v1 BO5
BW 1v1 BO5
DPP 1v1 BO5
As for Bo3o5, it seemed cool in theory, but as people pointed out, the teambuilding demand for each matchup would be too high, especially for the pools phase where you have three opponents all at once. A format like this is best suited staying as playoff formats for major individual tours like Classic, imo.
 
Rosa said:
I've been away on vacation for the past several days, apologies for the delay.

Given people's since-increased interest in the current gen, it makes sense to have a greater focus on it.

For the time being, copying PL's slots seems ideal, including Bo7 returning over Bo3o5. Unless anyone has strong opinions regarding 2 SM vs 4 SS (1 Bo7 3 Bo5), I see no issues going forth with this.
SS 1v1 BO7
SS 1v1 BO5
SS 1v1 BO5
SM 1v1 BO5
SM 1v1 BO5
ORAS 1v1 BO5
BW 1v1 BO5
DPP 1v1 BO5
As for Bo3o5, it seemed cool in theory, but as people pointed out, the teambuilding demand for each matchup would be too high, especially for the pools phase where you have three opponents all at once. A format like this is best suited staying as playoff formats for major individual tours like Classic, imo.
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Hard disagree on that but c'est la vie. Anyways, there's mainly two reasons as to why people suddenly decided to shift focus on that Bo3o5 slot, first reason as stated here is the "recent interest in SS", while this might be true since new toy syndrome I do believe that people will start complaining as the weeks go by and was rebrought up due to team bias which see themselves having a better slotting with 3 SS than with less SS/SM. The second reason is the complaint about building 15 teams each time aka 45 in pools lol. This is the ONLY reason the bo3o5 slot was made for to differentiate between the "skills and consistency" of two persons. This is the only metagame that can easily emphasis the word "skills" in our metagame. Hear me out, the goal with that slot isn't transforming yourself into a team factory no, I mean if you're a no lifer you can do that, but it tests you into building consistent, and good overall teams instead of your "in-the-box" check your opponent stats and build, you also have 11 teammates that can provide you teams and you can use some they used which creates more dimensions other than the prep strat. I guess staying inside your comfort zone is easier than to show that you're really a good builder/picker lol.

With that being said, I'm sick of tournaments changing every year via slots, regions, rules etcetc. In my opinion, there should be a thread here talking about finally standardizing tournaments. We should pick a set up once and for all for the tournaments we're having (ofc this will change between gens). This should be a stepping stone for controversial discussions (See bo3o5, ADV...) and would help gather the community opinion across many months and not weeks before the actual tournament with slots even changing a week~ before signups. The thread will also lessen the backlash on decisions done by the hosts concerning slots. Setting aside slots, I do believe this will also be a good way to introduce to the people the standardization of PL and retains and allow everyone to discuss on how that will be done and various other stuff which will help tournament dictators decide the way they should go through.

The community should have a say in everything, but not at the last minute, and we also don't want changes of plans every year. specially just like this time: at the last minute.
 
BIASED WORLD CUP OF 1V1 POWER RANKINGS
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1. South Europe
What people might think our line-up is gonna be like:
SS Bo7: XSTATIC COLD
SS Bo5: DenisTheMenace
SS Bo5: Close
SM: LaBalladeDesCieux
SM: AltCauseImInsecure
ORAS: ???
BW: stableprince569
DPP: TogliBabineBoeuf

What our line-up will most likely look like
SS Bo7: DenisTheMenace
SS Bo5: XSTATIC COLD
SS Bo5: Bomb21XD
SM: Close
SM: LaBalladeDesCieux
ORAS: umbreon098
BW: stableprince569
DPP: Tom842​

At first, SEU was mostly considered the strongest team in WC, at least on paper. With the loss of toad and Lancer, and with players like ACII and Togli not being as active as one would like them to be, this has impacted SEU a lot power-wise.
Of course, this is the biased WC PR, and I, SEU captain, am the one making it. We're definitely taking some big risks but with the strength of our line-up we can probably afford to take those risks without too much worry. Bomb is unproven in tournament but to me he looks like possibly the next Squirtell. Strong af on ladder but really needs a push to prove himself in a tournament. Umbreon098 to cover our empty ORAS slot is also a questionable pick. Facing her and seeing her play in seasonal gave me the same feeling I had when I played vs crucify/zioziotrip, both of whom did extremely well in PL. I definitely have full trust in her skills. The last :weirdchamp: pick is Tom in DPP: Togli's 12k pay into going 0-1 really hit hard on his motivation, but Tom is one of the more adaptive players in the metagame, with a wide range of experience in multiple tiers. I think, from the way he builds and approaches building, DPP is the tier for him. We'll see. Winning World Cup definitely requires some gambles, and taking the right gambles is a captain's job.
Regarding the other slots, Denis XSC me, LBDC and Close are probably some of the best in each's respective tiers, with every single one of us being at their peak atm. It's not hard to imagine why SEU would be first seed.

2. East Europe
Perceived line-up:
SS Bo7: neomon
SS Bo5: SolarflareRo
SS Bo5: eblurb
SM: ggopw
SM: Blazikin
ORAS: 187 Fan
BW: Persephone
DPP: Inkreativ
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No surprises here, the one team that is closest to taking the number 1 seed. With some shifts here and there, and eblurb's uncertainty on whether he's actually gonna on line-up or not (not like EEU has a lot of other options for SS 3), they definitely do have probably the best Old Gens. 187 Fan is very good and while he still suffers on his sheet record, this is definitely the tour to make that change, assuming hax doesn't swoop in to ruin that for him. Persephone is the most risk-free pick, allowing Solar to go in the somewhat lacking SS slots, and with some of the best BW supporters you could ask for in solar ggopw and neomon. Neomon has been monstruous in PL, especially in the earlier weeks, I think his performance heavily depends on whether he puts in the effort or not. Blazikin has done awful in PL3 and WC19, with PL4 being slightly better but somewhat of a haxfest, his record this wc is gonna be the most volatile imo. Then we have ggopw and Inkreativ who are most likely the best in their respective tiers atm. I think their best bet is to play as safe as possible, we've seen blazikin/perse/ggopw/fan on dragapults in PL and their daring line-ups are imo the thing that basically made them lose in semis.

3. US Central
Perdeived line-up:
SS Bo7: Nalei
SS Bo5: zioziotrip
SS Bo5: smely socks
SM: Squirtell
SM: UBERLandon21 / Lkjc
ORAS: LRXC
BW: ryyjyywyy
DPP: alive
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This is one of the more uncertain and volatile teams. While somewhat unanimously agreed on 3rd place, this team has the potential to get 1st as much as 6th-7th. Great SS depth and building, but the biggest issue is they have a lot of players that are mid and didn't get the best record. Nalei has gone negative in PL and while zio's record is very impressive for it being his first tournament, 6-5 doesn't really match with other powerhouses in SS like XSC, Waylaid or Denis. I put smely socks there since I'm biased, but I think he could really do good. Going 0-1 in PL doesn't give him a lot of credit, but it was against zio in a g5 nailbiter, and his motivation and commitment to the tier has skyrocketed since. Squirtell / Landon seems tough to break... or it would've seemed, a year ago. Squirtell isn't the God of SM he used to be, although he's still very good, and Landon hasn't played the tier in a long time. Lkjc could be subbed over Landon, which might actually be the right pick, idk. Now, don't get me wrong, I don't have anything against the guy, but I think LRXC is overrated: his results have never been that impressive and his style of building doesn't really seem adapt to a tier like ORAS; I still think he could do very good but I'm doubtful of him having more than a 2-1 / 3-2 record. ryyjyywyy in BW because they really have no other choice, but I think ryy is one of the scariest BW players in the pool, if he were to play. alive DPP is gonna be a struggle but the rest of the line-up makes up for it.
A very shaky 3rd place but a 3rd place nonetheless, moving on...

4. CONE
Perceived line-up:
SS Bo7: dogknees
SS Bo5: ExplodingDonkey
SS Bo5: Ninjadog
SM: Chickenpie2
SM: Freddy Kyogre
ORAS: OM
BW: Potatochan
DPP: ThatCabbageGuy
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I'm surprised I placed CONE this high but hey, look at their line-up: dogknees and Donk aren't bad players by any means, although they might struggle against other big shots in those tiers, but then there's Ninjadog (3-1 in WC and 2-0 in PL), Cp2 (one of the best SMers of all time), Freddy (really strong and versatile player who can now play in his best tier), OM (he mains the tier and ORAS pool is kinda dry he can def do v well if he puts in the effort), Potatochan (put Potatochan in BW ffs I'm tutoring tf outta him) and Jabiru (one of the most consistent DPP players of all time). There's definitely place for improvement and struggles that will come along the way but CONE is definitely a top 3 team contender.


5. US West
Perceived line-up:
SS Bo7: Waylaid
SS Bo5: Le Creme Brule
SS Bo5: JustUhhDude
SM: Scraftionite
SM: Elo Bandit
ORAS: Kardistry King
BW: Gym Socks
DPP: Synonimous​

dom's ban being permanent definitely takes USW out of the 4th place. Kard in ORAS is also iffy because you never know how much he'll actually try. I put Gym socks in BW since he won BW No Johns beating me but I really don't know if there's a better fit there; it's definitely a somewhat risky pick but he can do well. Kebia in SS2 is a gamble player, imo they're a player that can beat anyone but also be beaten by anyone. Dude in SS 3 is weird because he has never proven himself ever before but he's in winner's finals of LT so lol. Scraft/Bandit is not a bad SM by any means but very mediocre compared to other teams. Waylaid and Synon are the ones that shine on this LU, although Waylaid only proved himself in one tour and Synon doesn't seem to be the powerhouse he used to be. They're gonna have to fight hard but I think they have a lot of stability in their good slots

6. Northwest Europe
Perceived line-up:
SS Bo7: Djokra
SS Bo5: Iron Crusher
SS Bo5: Felucia / kjdaas
SM: WailJesus
SM: TheShadowClaw
ORAS: Simbo
BW: Wanony
DPP: Poison Adhesive
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This is definitely the team with most uncertainties. Djokra will do good but SS Bo7 is a stacked slot, she needs to get an easy enough pool to be able to bring home a good record. Iron Crusher and Felucia are very washed and haven't done well in a tournament in a long time, but they can definitely score some wins. Felucia's involvement with wc will probably be extremely low so kjdaas over her might be better (or even a swap with TSC). Wail and TSC are players that used to be the best of the best, but have fallen off that pedestal, they need to prove they're still worthy of such titles. Simbo in ORAS since they have no real alternative, but with the style of building and playing Simbo has (using a lot of brokens and not getting 3-0d by good mons) he can easily snatch some wins from the dry oras pool. Wanony is in desperate need of bouncing back on his feet, his teams in PL were not the main issue, since they were actually good, he just needs to analyze and refine his plays. Poison Adhesive is a questionable player since he's very nice support in every single gen but he doesn't shine in a specific one, although I do believe he can do fine in DPP, going like 2-1 or something. Overall this team could be higher if it didn't have most of the "we were good but lately we've been performing awfully" players.

7. US East
Perceived line-up:
SS Bo7: SiceXV
SS Bo5: LuckyPiper
SS Bo5: Tol
SM: SUSTENANCE_1
SM: James155
ORAS: TDA
BW: power
DPP: Yami​

Heavily relying on a player like Sice, who is not the most experienced 1v1 player and isn't really the best at building, is very tough. Yeah, he did get 2nd in seasonal, and I do think he's gonna do good, but is he gonna be able to properly help non-mainer LuckyPiper and Tol, who has barely played post-DLC SS, building-wise? Heavily doubt it. Sustenance is probably gonna be the best performing player on this team, and while he is good, I fail to see him go undefeated or anything. Not a lot to say on James, solid player but has his lacks here and there. TDA being forced to play ORAS again against his will is tough, and I doubt he'll do well enough to support the rest of the team. Power is probably one of the weakest players in the BW pool so far, his record speaks for him and the fact that he hasn't played since last WC means he will not be up to date with how the metagame has shifted, which is crucial for a tier like BW. Yami in DPP is one of the most volatile players to ever exist, and with how the latest events have been going and seeing how his PL went I doubt he'll go positive this tournament either. Over-all one of the most overrated teams, bar a couple players here and there. I can definitely see USE and NWEU interchanged in placings but I think USE holds less potential.

8. Asia
Perceived line-up:
SS Bo7: RaJ.Shoot
SS Bo5: Raj 00
SS Bo5: King Leo V
SM: Kentari
SM: BaleBlaze
ORAS: deg
BW: Kaif
DPP: Euphonos
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I mean, it's definitely not as bad as I would've thought it could be, but Asia is still bottom seed in my opinion. deg is the only player that is more likely to go positive than negative, and him going x-0 is still not a guarantee. Kaif has been going negative his whole life I don't know if he'll be able to change that. Kentari coming in and signing up seems likely to be their "saving grace", although a Kentari that hasn't played for years and was supposed to play for LT but eventually didn't doesn't seem to be able to do that much. BaleBlaze is a very... meh player, but I can't really vouch on that. RaJ.Shoot in SS Bo7 is also gonna be rough considering he's probably the worst player in the whole pool. Other than that, all the other tiers are players that are unproven and will need deg to carry hard.


Although it might not look like it, I still think this World Cup is gonna be extremely competitive. A lot of the teams that are considered awful actually have a strong line-up, they only have considerable flaws in them. A lot of slots are also gambles that we need to wait and see how they play out. Nothing is certain and I am excited to see how everything will turn out. Thanks for reading consider liking the post ^^
 
stableprince569 said:
BIASED WORLD CUP OF 1V1 POWER RANKINGS
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1. South Europe
What people might think our line-up is gonna be like:
SS Bo7: XSTATIC COLD
SS Bo5: DenisTheMenace
SS Bo5: Close
SM: LaBalladeDesCieux
SM: AltCauseImInsecure
ORAS: ???
BW: stableprince569
DPP: TogliBabineBoeuf

What our line-up will most likely look like
SS Bo7: DenisTheMenace
SS Bo5: XSTATIC COLD
SS Bo5: Bomb21XD
SM: Close
SM: LaBalladeDesCieux
ORAS: umbreon098
BW: stableprince569
DPP: Tom842​

At first, SEU was mostly considered the strongest team in WC, at least on paper. With the loss of toad and Lancer, and with players like ACII and Togli not being as active as one would like them to be, this has impacted SEU a lot power-wise.
Of course, this is the biased WC PR, and I, SEU captain, am the one making it. We're definitely taking some big risks but with the strength of our line-up we can probably afford to take those risks without too much worry. Bomb is unproven in tournament but to me he looks like possibly the next Squirtell. Strong af on ladder but really needs a push to prove himself in a tournament. Umbreon098 to cover our empty ORAS slot is also a questionable pick. Facing her and seeing her play in seasonal gave me the same feeling I had when I played vs crucify/zioziotrip, both of whom did extremely well in PL. I definitely have full trust in her skills. The last :weirdchamp: pick is Tom in DPP: Togli's 12k pay into going 0-1 really hit hard on his motivation, but Tom is one of the more adaptive players in the metagame, with a wide range of experience in multiple tiers. I think, from the way he builds and approaches building, DPP is the tier for him. We'll see. Winning World Cup definitely requires some gambles, and taking the right gambles is a captain's job.
Regarding the other slots, Denis XSC me, LBDC and Close are probably some of the best in each's respective tiers, with every single one of us being at their peak atm. It's not hard to imagine why SEU would be first seed.

2. East Europe
Perceived line-up:
SS Bo7: neomon
SS Bo5: SolarflareRo
SS Bo5: eblurb
SM: ggopw
SM: Blazikin
ORAS: 187 Fan
BW: Persephone
DPP: Inkreativ
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No surprises here, the one team that is closest to taking the number 1 seed. With some shifts here and there, and eblurb's uncertainty on whether he's actually gonna on line-up or not (not like EEU has a lot of other options for SS 3), they definitely do have probably the best Old Gens. 187 Fan is very good and while he still suffers on his sheet record, this is definitely the tour to make that change, assuming hax doesn't swoop in to ruin that for him. Persephone is the most risk-free pick, allowing Solar to go in the somewhat lacking SS slots, and with some of the best BW supporters you could ask for in solar ggopw and neomon. Neomon has been monstruous in PL, especially in the earlier weeks, I think his performance heavily depends on whether he puts in the effort or not. Blazikin has done awful in PL3 and WC19, with PL4 being slightly better but somewhat of a haxfest, his record this wc is gonna be the most volatile imo. Then we have ggopw and Inkreativ who are most likely the best in their respective tiers atm. I think their best bet is to play as safe as possible, we've seen blazikin/perse/ggopw/fan on dragapults in PL and their daring line-ups are imo the thing that basically made them lose in semis.

3. US Central
Perdeived line-up:
SS Bo7: Nalei
SS Bo5: zioziotrip
SS Bo5: smely socks
SM: Squirtell
SM: UBERLandon21 / Lkjc
ORAS: LRXC
BW: ryyjyywyy
DPP: alive
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This is one of the more uncertain and volatile teams. While somewhat unanimously agreed on 3rd place, this team has the potential to get 1st as much as 6th-7th. Great SS depth and building, but the biggest issue is they have a lot of players that are mid and didn't get the best record. Nalei has gone negative in PL and while zio's record is very impressive for it being his first tournament, 6-5 doesn't really match with other powerhouses in SS like XSC, Waylaid or Denis. I put smely socks there since I'm biased, but I think he could really do good. Going 0-1 in PL doesn't give him a lot of credit, but it was against zio in a g5 nailbiter, and his motivation and commitment to the tier has skyrocketed since. Squirtell / Landon seems tough to break... or it would've seemed, a year ago. Squirtell isn't the God of SM he used to be, although he's still very good, and Landon hasn't played the tier in a long time. Lkjc could be subbed over Landon, which might actually be the right pick, idk. Now, don't get me wrong, I don't have anything against the guy, but I think LRXC is overrated: his results have never been that impressive and his style of building doesn't really seem adapt to a tier like ORAS; I still think he could do very good but I'm doubtful of him having more than a 2-1 / 3-2 record. ryyjyywyy in BW because they really have no other choice, but I think ryy is one of the scariest BW players in the pool, if he were to play. alive DPP is gonna be a struggle but the rest of the line-up makes up for it.
A very shaky 3rd place but a 3rd place nonetheless, moving on...

4. CONE
Perceived line-up:
SS Bo7: dogknees
SS Bo5: ExplodingDonkey
SS Bo5: Ninjadog
SM: Chickenpie2
SM: Freddy Kyogre
ORAS: OM
BW: Potatochan
DPP: ThatCabbageGuy
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I'm surprised I placed CONE this high but hey, look at their line-up: dogknees and Donk aren't bad players by any means, although they might struggle against other big shots in those tiers, but then there's Ninjadog (3-1 in WC and 2-0 in PL), Cp2 (one of the best SMers of all time), Freddy (really strong and versatile player who can now play in his best tier), OM (he mains the tier and ORAS pool is kinda dry he can def do v well if he puts in the effort), Potatochan (put Potatochan in BW ffs I'm tutoring tf outta him) and Jabiru (one of the most consistent DPP players of all time). There's definitely place for improvement and struggles that will come along the way but CONE is definitely a top 3 team contender.


5. US West
Perceived line-up:
SS Bo7: Waylaid
SS Bo5: Le Creme Brule
SS Bo5: JustUhhDude
SM: Scraftionite
SM: Elo Bandit
ORAS: Kardistry King
BW: Gym Socks
DPP: Synonimous​

dom's ban being permanent definitely takes USW out of the 4th place. Kard in ORAS is also iffy because you never know how much he'll actually try. I put Gym socks in BW since he won BW No Johns beating me but I really don't know if there's a better fit there; it's definitely a somewhat risky pick but he can do well. Kebia in SS2 is a gamble player, imo they're a player that can beat anyone but also be beaten by anyone. Dude in SS 3 is weird because he has never proven himself ever before but he's in winner's finals of LT so lol. Scraft/Bandit is not a bad SM by any means but very mediocre compared to other teams. Waylaid and Synon are the ones that shine on this LU, although Waylaid only proved himself in one tour and Synon doesn't seem to be the powerhouse he used to be. They're gonna have to fight hard but I think they have a lot of stability in their good slots

6. Northwest Europe
Perceived line-up:
SS Bo7: Djokra
SS Bo5: Iron Crusher
SS Bo5: Felucia / kjdaas
SM: WailJesus
SM: TheShadowClaw
ORAS: Simbo
BW: Wanony
DPP: Poison Adhesive
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This is definitely the team with most uncertainties. Djokra will do good but SS Bo7 is a stacked slot, she needs to get an easy enough pool to be able to bring home a good record. Iron Crusher and Felucia are very washed and haven't done well in a tournament in a long time, but they can definitely score some wins. Felucia's involvement with wc will probably be extremely low so kjdaas over her might be better (or even a swap with TSC). Wail and TSC are players that used to be the best of the best, but have fallen off that pedestal, they need to prove they're still worthy of such titles. Simbo in ORAS since they have no real alternative, but with the style of building and playing Simbo has (using a lot of brokens and not getting 3-0d by good mons) he can easily snatch some wins from the dry oras pool. Wanony is in desperate need of bouncing back on his feet, his teams in PL were not the main issue, since they were actually good, he just needs to analyze and refine his plays. Poison Adhesive is a questionable player since he's very nice support in every single gen but he doesn't shine in a specific one, although I do believe he can do fine in DPP, going like 2-1 or something. Overall this team could be higher if it didn't have most of the "we were good but lately we've been performing awfully" players.

7. US East
Perceived line-up:
SS Bo7: SiceXV
SS Bo5: LuckyPiper
SS Bo5: Tol
SM: SUSTENANCE_1
SM: James155
ORAS: TDA
BW: power
DPP: Yami​

Heavily relying on a player like Sice, who is not the most experienced 1v1 player and isn't really the best at building, is very tough. Yeah, he did get 2nd in seasonal, and I do think he's gonna do good, but is he gonna be able to properly help non-mainer LuckyPiper and Tol, who has barely played post-DLC SS, building-wise? Heavily doubt it. Sustenance is probably gonna be the best performing player on this team, and while he is good, I fail to see him go undefeated or anything. Not a lot to say on James, solid player but has his lacks here and there. TDA being forced to play ORAS again against his will is tough, and I doubt he'll do well enough to support the rest of the team. Power is probably one of the weakest players in the BW pool so far, his record speaks for him and the fact that he hasn't played since last WC means he will not be up to date with how the metagame has shifted, which is crucial for a tier like BW. Yami in DPP is one of the most volatile players to ever exist, and with how the latest events have been going and seeing how his PL went I doubt he'll go positive this tournament either. Over-all one of the most overrated teams, bar a couple players here and there. I can definitely see USE and NWEU interchanged in placings but I think USE holds less potential.

8. Asia
Perceived line-up:
SS Bo7: RaJ.Shoot
SS Bo5: Raj 00
SS Bo5: King Leo V
SM: Kentari
SM: BaleBlaze
ORAS: deg
BW: Kaif
DPP: Euphonos
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I mean, it's definitely not as bad as I would've thought it could be, but Asia is still bottom seed in my opinion. deg is the only player that is more likely to go positive than negative, and him going x-0 is still not a guarantee. Kaif has been going negative his whole life I don't know if he'll be able to change that. Kentari coming in and signing up seems likely to be their "saving grace", although a Kentari that hasn't played for years and was supposed to play for LT but eventually didn't doesn't seem to be able to do that much. BaleBlaze is a very... meh player, but I can't really vouch on that. RaJ.Shoot in SS Bo7 is also gonna be rough considering he's probably the worst player in the whole pool. Other than that, all the other tiers are players that are unproven and will need deg to carry hard.


Although it might not look like it, I still think this World Cup is gonna be extremely competitive. A lot of the teams that are considered awful actually have a strong line-up, they only have considerable flaws in them. A lot of slots are also gambles that we need to wait and see how they play out. Nothing is certain and I am excited to see how everything will turn out. Thanks for reading consider liking the post ^^
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My man picked the worst Asia lineup and ranked us last, I feel bad for FRITA.
 
stableprince569 said:
Perceived line-up:
SS Bo7: RaJ.Shoot
SS Bo5: Raj 00
SS Bo5: King Leo V
SM: Kentari
SM: BaleBlaze
ORAS: deg
BW: Kaif
DPP: Euphonos
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I mean, it's definitely not as bad as I would've thought it could be, but Asia is still bottom seed in my opinion. deg is the only player that is more likely to go positive than negative, and him going x-0 is still not a guarantee. Kaif has been going negative his whole life I don't know if he'll be able to change that. Kentari coming in and signing up seems likely to be their "saving grace", although a Kentari that hasn't played for years and was supposed to play for LT but eventually didn't doesn't seem to be able to do that much. BaleBlaze is a very... meh player, but I can't really vouch on that. RaJ.Shoot in SS Bo7 is also gonna be rough considering he's probably the worst player in the whole pool. Other than that, all the other tiers are players that are unproven and will need deg to carry hard.
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This is why no one in 1v1 takes predicts seriously anymore. Opinionated predicts like these are about as useful as a waterproof teabag.
 
Real UNBIASED World Cup of 1v1 Power Rankings
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1. US Central (c?o)

Easily the most popular and skillful team this year. Star power is next to none, and chemistry is top notch as well. Really no other team is comparable so ranking central anything below 1 is just silly.

2. Asia

This is probably Asia’s last chance to win WC so deg is going to try. Maybe. But if he does try he’s going to ghost everyone on the team only to lose to central in finals. Oh yeah they also have Baleblaze so that’s something.

3. CONE

Donk + Plant based

4. East Europe

They have some good players but a noticeable lack of sword and shield talent. Unironically starting eblurb is pretty funny and forcing one of your players that would be best in a different gen to play sword and shield is hilarious as well.

5. US West

They lost the leadership they needed in dom and now they’re left with esteemed 1v1 RO boat ._. Good thing west has Kard. :)

6. Northwest Europe

Pretty much SM is the only good tier and the rest are the lower end of mediocre, but at least it’s better than the other teams. /shrug

7. Southern Europe

Uh... Stable in bw is good I guess but without cottonee he’s going to struggle. Thanks for telling everyone your lineup btw
Bomb in SwSh
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Umbreon in ORAS
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I love Tom but putting him in dpp
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Not to mention the usual choke artists that FRITA 2.0 has employed. Losing Lancer and Toad is a huge blow as well. Good luck. For real, good luck. You’re going to need it.

8. US East

Lol US East is so bad imagine being them. When your best player is sice and he’s not even going to try it’s like .-. I’m sure Rosa will find some way to ban another team’s player for fake ghosting and advance East though, don’t count them out!!1!!!!
 
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