Gen 3 Yanma (Revamp NU) GP: 0/2

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QC: Oglemi
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[Overview]

Yanma differentiates itself from other Reversal sweepers such as Vigoroth with its unique access to Speed Boost and Spikes immunity. The unresisted type combination of Fighting and STAB Flying makes Yanma an absolute menace once the snowball starts rolling. Yanma also has nifty resistances to Grass and Fighting, and an immunity to Ground. However, Yanma suffers from the same issues as any other Reversal sweeper: priority and physically bulky Pokemon. Yanma’s Attack stat also is decent a best, only dishing meaningful damage while at one HP and at +1. Nevertheless, Yanma is one of NU’s scariest late-game sweepers.

[SET]
name: SubReversal
move 1: Substitute
move 2: Reversal
move 3: Hidden Power [Flying]
move 4: Protect
item: Liechi Berry
ability: Speed Boost
nature: Adamant
evs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Substitute shields Yanma from status, and, more importantly, cuts down its own HP by 25%, allowing Yanma to accumulate several Speed Boosts as it brings itself to maximum Reversal base power and the activation of its Liechi Berry. Reversal is Yanma's most spammable once it gets down to 1 HP, OHKOing a multitude of Pokemon such as Hitmonchan, Flareon, and Mawile. Hidden Power Flying is STAB and synergizes well with Reversal, hitting Bug- and Poison-types such as opposing Yanma, Venomoth, and Roselia super effectively. Protect ensures that Yanma’s Speed Boost activates before all else, eliminating the majority of the risk associated with utilizing other Endure and SubRev Pokemon, who can be outsped by the opposition.

[ADDITIONAL SET COMMENTS]
An Adamant nature alongside maximum Attack and Speed EVs augment Yanma’s the best opportunity to sweep late-game. Because Yanma will almost always use Protect turn one, it’s more advantageous to utilize an Adamant nature over a Jolly one. Unless Yanma can be guaranteed to get the knockout, subbing down to one HP is by far Yanma’s safest play. It’s important to utilize the lack of a Team Preview to your advantage by not bringing Yanma in until late-game when it has the greatest chance of sweeping. Special attacking teammates such as Huntail and Haunter that can break down physical walls such as Relicanth, Torkoal, Sableye, and Shuckle all help Yanma sweep late-game by removing some of its greatest checks. Spikes support is important for Yanma as all of its best checks are grounded and Yanma needs help getting KOes considering its low Attack. Roselia is the most reliable setter throughout the course of the battle as it is the bulkiest and has access to reliable recovery, although Glalie and Cacturne work fine too. Keep in mind that Yanma, Roselia, Cacturne, and Glalie all share a common weakness in Fire and that it will need proper team support to help cover these extra weaknesses.

[Other Options]
Shadow Ball perfectly rounds out Yanma's coverage in tandem with Reversal, but Hidden Power Flying does just as well and receives STAB. Toxic is great for nailing switch-ins as they come in such as physically defensive Relicanth. However, Yanma should be played as a late-game role, not a mid-game role. Hypnosis can be used in conjunction with Yanma's other ability Compound Eyes on a specially offensive set utilizing Substitute and two of either Psychic, Giga Drain, or a special Hidden Power, most likely Hidden Power Fire. This set can be used early- to mid-game instead of late-game since its focus doesn't revolve around sweeping, but rather incapacitating foes and firing off attacks. Hidden Power Bug is Yanma’s strongest Bug-type STAB, but prevents Yanma from using Hidden Power Flying, which undoubtedly is a stronger coverage move to utilize with Reversal.

[Checks and Counters]
Priority such as Mach Punch from Hitmonchan and Quick Attack from Flareon is the ultimate stop for snowballing Endure and SubRev Pokémon such as Yanma once they bring themselves down to one HP. There are certain physically defensive walls that Yanma cannot break even at +1, such as Relicanth, Torkoal, and Sableye. Although they are few and far between, Pokemon such as Golbat and Wailord can phaze Yanma out with Whirlwind.
 
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I think Protect should go over shadow ball, it allows yanma to do the one thing nothing else in the tier do, and that's (nearly) 100% guarantee manually get down to 1 HP. Everything else like raticate, vigo, Kingler have a decent risk associated with being unable to guarantee that through being outsped/spikes/mach punch. Also think that quality should be highlighted in the overview. The trade off of course being yanma is no where as strong as the other ones
 

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Replace Duskull mentions with something more relevant like Sableye. Wailord is also a hard stop and can Roar it out.

Really stress the importance of Spikes support as all of Yanma's best checks are grounded and Yanma needs help getting KOes considering its low Attack. You don't need to include this the following but Spikes are one of the reasons Yanma's so good right now and fits into the metagame more than it did before because it allows you to basically ignore them on your side of the field in teambuilding, ie. you don't /have/ to include a spinner anywhere or be concerned with limiting them during the match, but it takes advantage of having them on the opps side of the field, allowing you to do Roselia mirrors and throw up 3 layers of Spikes, etc. (Obvi you don't want them on your side considering phazing Yanma is a good way to ruin its strategy)

Also don't think SubRev is an accepted coined term for GP so you can just say "Reversal sweepers" or something.

Otherwise I'm happy with this and you can move it into GP
 
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[Overview]

Yanma differentiates sets itself apart from other Reversal sweepers,(AC) such as Vigoroth,(AC) with its unique access to Speed Boost and Spikes immunity and an immunity to Spikes. The unresisted type combination of Fighting and STAB Flying makes Yanma Yanma's unresisted type combination of Reversal + STAB Hidden Power Flying makes it an absolute menace once the snowball starts rolling Speed Boost boosts start to accumlate. Yanma also has nifty resistances to Grass-(AH) and Fighting-(AH) type attacks, and in addition to an immunity to Ground. However, Yanma suffers from the same issues as that plague any other Reversal sweeper: priority and physically bulky Pokemon. Additionally, Yanma’s Attack stat also is decent a at best, only dishing out meaningful damage while at one HP and a boost from its Liechi Berry at +1. Nevertheless, Yanma is one of NU’s scariest most potent late-game sweepers. (not sure if fear is the best way to describe a sweeper's effectiveness)

[SET]
name: SubReversal
move 1: Substitute
move 2: Reversal
move 3: Hidden Power [Flying]
move 4: Protect
item: Liechi Berry
ability: Speed Boost
nature: Adamant
evs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Substitute shields Yanma from status, and, more importantly, cuts down its own HP by 25%, allowing Yanma to accumulate several Speed Boosts,(AC) maximize Reversal's Base Power,(AC) and activate its as it brings itself to maximum Reversal base power and the activation of its Liechi Berry. Reversal is Yanma's most spammable once it gets down to 1 HP, being able to OHKO OHKOing a multitude of Pokemon such as Hitmonchan, Flareon, and Mawile. Hidden Power Flying is boosted by STAB and has good synergy synergizes well with Reversal, hitting Bug- and Poison-types such as opposing Yanma,(RC) Venomoth, and Roselia,(AC) and opposing Yanma super effectively.(reordering makes it flow better) Protect ensures that Yanma’s Speed Boost will have an opportunity to activate activates before all else, eliminating the majority of the risk associated with utilizing other Endure and SubRev Pokemon, who can be more easily outsped by opposing Pokemonthe opposition.

[ADDITIONAL SET COMMENTS]
An Adamant nature alongside maximum Attack and Speed EVs augment Yanma’s optimize Yanma's stats to give it the best opportunity possible to sweep late-game. Because Yanma will almost always use Protect turn one, it’s more advantageous to utilize use (utilize shouldn't be used as a substitute for "use"; I make the same mistake out of habit all the time, but utilize approximately means that something that is not normally good is then used in a profitable or ingenious manner.) an Adamant nature over a Jolly one. Unless Yanma can be guaranteed to get the knockout, subbing down to one HP is by far Yanma’s safest play. It’s important to utilize use (this would fine on its own, but its somewhat redundant given the rest of the sentence, specifically "to your advantage", which is why utilize is generally an inferior word) the lack of a Team Preview to your advantage by not bringing revealing Yanma in until late-game when it has the greatest chance of sweeping. Special attacking attackers,(AC) teammates such as Huntail and Haunter,(AC) make good teammates as they that can break down physical walls such as Relicanth, Torkoal, Sableye, and Shuckle,(AC) which helps all help Yanma sweep late-game by removing some of its greatest checks. Spikes support is important for Yanma as it needs help getting KOes given as all of its best checks are grounded and Yanma needs help getting KOes considering its low Attack. Roselia is the most reliable setter throughout the course of the battle due to its bulk and access to reliable recovery as it is the bulkiest and has access to reliable recovery, although Glalie and Cacturne work fine too are options as well. Keep in mind that Yanma, Roselia, Cacturne, and Glalie all share a common weakness in Fire and that it will need proper team support Fire-(AH)resists to help cover these extra weaknesses.

[Other Options]
Shadow Ball perfectly rounds out Yanma's coverage in tandem with Reversal, but Hidden Power Flying does just as well and receives STAB. Toxic is great for nailing switch-ins as they come in such as physically defensive Relicanth. However, Yanma should be played as a late-game cleaner role, not a instead of fulfilling some mid-game role. Hypnosis can be used in conjunction with Yanma's other ability Compound Eyes on a specially based offensive set utilizing using Substitute and two of either Psychic, Giga Drain, or a special Hidden Power, most likely Hidden Power Fire. This set can be used early- to mid-game instead of late-game since its focus doesn't revolve around sweeping, but rather incapacitating foes with sleep and firing off attacks. Hidden Power Bug is Yanma’s strongest Bug-type STAB move, but prevents Yanma from using Hidden Power Flying, which undoubtedly is undoubtedly a stronger coverage move to utilize use in combination with Reversal.

[Checks and Counters]
Priority such as Mach Punch from Hitmonchan and Quick Attack from Flareon (not a GP thing but physical/band flareon is almost never used anymore and quick attack wasn't even that common on it anyway since Hidden Power Fighting/Grass had more useful coverage (edit: Baton Pass was the most common 4th move). Pidgeot is a much better example.) is the ultimate stop to for snowballing Endure and SubRev Pokémon such as Yanma once they bring themselves it brings itself (this is a Yanma analysis and should focus on its checks and counters, not the checks and counters of all endure / SubRev abusers) down to one HP. There are certain physically defensive walls that Yanma cannot break even at +1, such as Relicanth, Torkoal, and Sableye. Although they are few and far between, Pokemon phazers such as Whirlwind Golbat and Roar Wailord can phaze force Yanma out with Whirlwind. (Pokemon such as Golbat and Wailord are not uncommon. What you meant was that the phazing is uncommon, so the phrasing should reflect that. However, while Whirlwind Golbat is very uncommon, Wailord is not uncommon and is currently one of the most used ADV Pokemon in NUPL atm (check stats thread!). I'd consider rephrasing this sentence for the sake of accuracy.)

cool cool idk how this amcheck stuff really works but ig u wait for a real gp guy to approve
 
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