Gen 3 Yawn, It's over 9000... turns.

[dekzeh]

Cloyster (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Shell Armor
EVs: 252 HP / 16 Def / 8 Spd / 136 SAtk / 96 SDef
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Rapid Spin
- Spikes
- Surf
- Rest

Blabla. Those EV's are for Ice Beam Cloyster, but I might change it.
It's ok that way so those weird Restalk SDef oriented Forry gay ppl like(someone) uses.

Suicune @ Leftovers
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 252 HP / 136 Def / 64 Spd / 56 SDef
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Calm Mind
- Surf
- Reflect
- Rest

Favorite Suicune set lately.

Zapdos @ Leftovers
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 252 HP / 32 Spd / 224 SDef
Gentle Nature (+SDef, -Def)
- Thunderbolt
- Light Screen
- Roar
- Rest

Why bother hurting Pert? It's not like Pert can do anything to anyone anyway.

Celebi @ Leftovers
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 HP / 76 Def / 32 Spd / 148 SDef
Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Heal Bell
- Leech Seed
- Recover
- Reflect

Just because. 2 Reflect users is not insane.

Skarmory (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Keen Eye
EVs: 252 HP / 56 Atk / 96 Def / 8 Spd / 96 SDef
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Drill Peck
- Spikes
- Rest
- Sleep Talk

Because it has to be that way.

Steelix (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP / 52 Atk / 24 Def / 180 SDef
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Hidden Power [Rock]
- Roar
- Rest

Because it helps with everything I need help with.

Ghosts are not needed. Just spike and absorb their Rapid Spins with Zapdos/Suicune (depending on the spinner).
Pressure will make sure they're out of Rapid Spins waay before you're out of spikes, not to mention you can always Sleep Talk some Spikes.

CM Reflect Jirachi is a bitch, but whatever.
Don't mention Magtrio teams.

 

[Lil-P]

Imo consider Perish song on celebi, Bog Standard ReflectCM Jirachi wont be able to touch steelix, when its last poke you can just perish it. It will also help with your last poke problem (notable EQ curselax).

Why are you using a Gentle nature on Dos?

Also Curious on why you are using hp rock over rock slide unless you dont want the misses or something.

Consider something to help with cross/cham too.

P.s. Cloyster is still sexy

 

[Max.AU]

Zapdos @ Leftovers
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 252 HP / 32 Spd / 224 SDef
Gentle Nature (+SDef, -Def)
- Thunderbolt
- Light Screen
- Roar
- Rest

And why is this Gentle nature? It should be bold considering it's moveset.

 

[morning storm]

or you know... calm maybe... i guess, if you wanted to be real risky..

 

[snookajam]

i'd suggest your celebi to have

leechseed - to force more switches
recover
perishsong - for last poke kills
toxic - because you dont need healbell considering how your team has rest on everything and you dont need more reflect considering how you have cloyster/skarm/steelix/suicune

i still think you need a ghost to block rapid spin, otherwise you'll be at a disadvantage against other stall teams, like this one http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37539

 

[dekzeh]

No way I'll remove Reflect on Celebi.
Most things (CBTar/Mence and to a lesser extent Gross) that switches on it can cause me problems if I don't have Reflect up.

I need Heal Bell exactly because everything Rest, what a stupid comment.

No, I won't be at disavantage against other stall teams, since Dusclops can't switch on Cloyster with 3 layers down.
In fact, Clops is so fucking useless with Spikes in play that I'll mostly like be at advantage (6-5).

I would consider Perish Song on Celebi, but:
A Leech Seeded Curselax will lose to Reflect CM Cune 100% of the time.
And CM Cune doesn't like being TBolted, while Seeded, and with Light Screen up.
My only problem would be something like last poke CM Celebi.
I'm pretty sure everyone knows Gentle Zapdos was a mistake -.-'
I'll switch to Calm right now.

 

[Janenmori]

Why do you have Spikes on Cloyster and Skarm? That makes no sense. Explosion > Spikes on Cloyster in this situation.

 

[Cruiselax]

Even with skarm + zapdos combined, dders like salamence can still shit on this team with no ice attacks. cune can't keep switching into layers of spikes and set up reflect, while hard hitters such as mence set up.

go take a look at loki's team on that best teams thread, its like a perfect counter for your team. xd

 

[Umby]

No one posts cool offensive teams anymore. :(. Definitely need Ice Beam on Cloyster/Suicune. Two reflectors aren't crazy, but Reflect on Cune is an easy sacrifice for an alternative move.

 

[Cruiselax]

I just remembered that I have a offensive version of that team (its somewhat similar) that I made long ago.

 Zapdos @ Leftovers
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SAtk / 252 SDef
Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Light Screen
- Rest
- Thunderbolt
- Toxic

Suicune @ Leftovers
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 240 HP / 252 Def / 16 Spd
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Calm Mind
- Reflect
- Rest
- Surf

Snorlax (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Thick Fat
EVs: 160 HP / 32 Atk / 46 Def / 20 Spd / 252 SDef
Careful Nature (+SDef, -SAtk)
- Curse
- Double-Edge
- Rest
- Sleep Talk

Tyranitar (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Sand Stream
EVs: 60 HP / 228 Atk / 8 Spd / 214 SAtk
Brave Nature (+Atk, -Spd)
- Fire Blast
- Hidden Power [Grass]
- Pursuit
- Rock Slide

Dugtrio (M) @ Choice Band
Trait: Arena Trap
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Aerial Ace
- Earthquake
- Hidden Power [Bug]
- Rock Slide

Magneton @ Leftovers
Trait: Magnet Pull
EVs: 124 HP / 108 Def / 144 Spd / 132 SAtk
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Metal Sound
- Rest
- Thunderbolt

Its a bit off topic, but eh.

 

[Clefairy{m}]

After a quick look over your team, the question is.... how are you going to kill things? I would have understood if you had Toxic to slowly kill your enemies team, but you don't. And I'm guessing that Suicune most likely wins most of your battles right?

:
Zapdos @ Leftovers
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 252 HP / 32 Spd / 224 SDef
Gentle Nature (+SDef, -Def)
- Thunderbolt
- Light Screen
- Roar
- Rest

Why bother hurting Pert? It's not like Pert can do anything to anyone anyway.

Pert huh, what about your gaping big Flygon weakness. Especially during Sandstorm.
Flygon
-Earthquake
-Rock Slide
-Hidden Power(Bug)/Screech
-Substitue/Fire Blast

EDIT: Nearly forgot to mention your hilarious Adamant DDMence weak.

:
Don't mention Magtrio teams.

If that’s the case, then this must not be a competitive team.

All in all, this team screams to be 6-0, sacrificing 1 poke to take down your Suicune if need be. If Suicune were to even attempt to sweep me, you'd definitely need to have Cloyster or Steelix take down an important counter with Explosion

 

[touched]

Flygon is manageable with Reflect. I concur with the impending DD Mence rape, so IB > Reflect on Cune. Explosion on Steelix, as said already. It also helps take down last pokemon Curselax if you decide to eschew Reflect for IB.

 

[Taylor]

I just remembered that I have a offensive version of that team (its somewhat similar) that I made long ago.

How's that similar? You have 3 different Pokemon, which isn't even "somewhat" similar, especially in R/S/E due to people having teams that are completely the opposite even though they look alike.

Thought I'd off-topic this thread, even though I like the team. I don't think there's drastic changes that need to be made, apart from HeraMag doing a number on your team, but don't worry too much because that's nothing to be suprised of. Magneton can open anyone's team that's dependable on Skarmory.

Good team, Konkey.

 

[Clefairy{m}]

I used your team for about 6 games today. Won 1 Tied 1, then for the rest my opponents just quitted. Yes, this team does succesfully counter all threats very well, but its also boring and at most times doesn't go anywhere.
I don't think changing movesets is going to work here because this team doesnt have the right balance to become an attacking team.

 

[ABC-Trainer]

Huge Pert and boah weakness. I would consider getting rid of Cloyster for dynamic punch jirachi to get those boahs by suprise. i would fix your pert weakness by getting rid of one of your steel types. steel moves are very weak against swampert. i would put in venasaur with razor leaf so it can critical hit and ohko that dang pert. also your skarmory is weak to thunderbolt. fix that.

 

[Taylor]

Boah is completely walled by STalk Zapdos, especially one with Light Screen.

Swampert can't do anything to Zapdos - It will run out of Ice Beams. He can't damage Celebi either. Finally, Suicune will also stop Swampert aswell.

This killed me:

also your skarmory is weak to thunderbolt. fix that.

I don't think you really thought about that. ;[

There's no weakness that's clear without the opposing Pokemon being really gimmicky. I've already mentioned about Magneton.

 

[ABC-Trainer]

well due to your d/p pokemon in your avatar I guess you dont know anything about this board. this is the RUBY SAPPHIRE gen. board. maybe you didnt know that. im going to try and make this easy for you to understand.

swampert with a few sd's passed to it effectively rapes everybody on his team with a combination of eq and hp rock. he can surf skarmory and focus punch cloyster on the switch. suicune will get worn down with earthquake and zapdos will get beat up with hp rock.

what do you mean I didn't think about my "skarmory weak to thunderbolt" statement? his team has a glaring tbolt weak, which is carried by boah.

getting to boah, zapdos doesnt wall boah at all. the boah could just switch to umbreon who baton passes a mean look to a celebi who calm minds a few times and uses psychic and kills zapdos. after zapdos is dead theres a gigantic boah weak.

and to your gimmicky comment. I think you're really gimmicky.

 

[touched]

I don't know if you're being an idiot on purpose or not. But benefit of the doubt is always good right?

swampert with a few sd's passed to it effectively rapes everybody on his team with a combination of eq and hp rock. he can surf skarmory and focus punch cloyster on the switch. suicune will get worn down with earthquake and zapdos will get beat up with hp rock.

You're talking a very situational set. Offensive Pert is rare, and an SD pass is better used by other things. Regardless, that Pert is beaten by Celebi, unless it has HP Bug, in which case it gets beaten by Zapdos. 2 Reflecters doesn't exactly hurt against it either.

getting to boah, zapdos doesnt wall boah at all. the boah could just switch to umbreon who baton passes a mean look to a celebi who calm minds a few times and uses psychic and kills zapdos. after zapdos is dead theres a gigantic boah weak.

Actually Zapdos does wall Boah, you're saying that Zapdos is beaten by Umbreon + CM Celebi. And either way I doubt he's dumb enough to keep Zap in to get trapped by Umbrey. What you're saying is "Your team has a weakness to Pokemon A, because once your Pokemon B is killed, you can't counter Pokemon A." Which, in the interests of keeping this comprehensible to you, gets a no fucking shit.

what do you mean I didn't think about my "skarmory weak to thunderbolt" statement?

I'm sure his making Skarmory weak to Thunderbolt was purely accidental.

I'm also pretty sure that Taylor knows more than you about Advanced.

 

[Xpert]

Huge Pert and boah weakness. also your skarmory is weak to thunderbolt. fix that.

lol.. he can handle pert and boah fine.

raikou+dugtrio can rape this team in pieces. all it needs.

 

[Clefairy{m}]

... I think CTrainer has been away from competetive battling for tooooo long. =(

 

[Umby]

He's probably still using Regirock.

 

[ABC-Trainer]

I think his team is pretty much countered by Heracross and Lunatone working together as well. and also Metronome Clefairy.

that's just me though. if i was HIM, i'd address these glaring weaknesses.

 

[ABC-Trainer]

-needs a water stone

 

[dekzeh]

I really laughed on CTrainer posts D: I don't think he's serious, but anyway I'll comment that latter.

On the Raikou + Dugtrio thing, I guess you're right, but then Duggy has to be Adamant for a 2HKO on Steelix, and Steelix is EV'd to OHKO a Duggy that switched on a layer of spikes. And then, if I have spikes in play, Zapdos can Light Screen, then Roar Raikou out. Doing that twice with spikes out should get Raikou near death so it won't be able switch on Suicune or anything at all anymore.

On CTrainers comments:
'Huge Pert and Boah weakness': Ok, Boah is handled by Light Screen Zapdos even if it has Ice Beam, Pert gets stalled by Zapdos, can't beat Celebi or Suicune and means free Spikes for Cloyster. If it's Cursepert, it'll get beaten by Reflect Suicune, if somehow I let someone BPass a Swords Dance (which should be really hard, considering I have two PHazers) to Pert, it will still lose on one on to Reflect Suicune. Your set: FPunch, EQ, HP Rock, Surf, gets stalled to death by Celebi, if somehow you decide to now put HP Bug on it, something else will beat it.
You said Boah can switch out for a Mean Look Umbreon, which is really funny, considering that my Zapdos can Roar Umbreon out.

Anyone else found it funny that he suggested me to get rid of one of my steel types and on the next sentence he suggested a Jirachi?

 

[ABC-Trainer]

Actually I suggested you get a jirachi and THEN i suggested you get rid of one of your other steel types. learn to read.