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Welcome to the ZeroUsed Old Gens Hub. This thread contains resources for the ZeroUsed tiers of older generations - Sun and Moon (SM) ZU, Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire (ORAS) ZU, Black and White (BW) ZU, Diamond/Pearl/Platinum (DPP) ZU, Advance (ADV) ZU (or Generation 3 ZU), and Gold/Silver/Crystal (GSC) ZU. This thread will also serve as a place to hold discussion about the older generations of ZU. Each post contains Viability Rankings, sample teams, and a list of mechanics of the generation that is different from the current generation. Feel free to post your thoughts on a particular aspect of a generation, successful cores, underrated Pokemon, teams you want feedback on, and anything else related to old gens ZU. We hope to bring these metagames more exposure.

Huge thank you to Aaronboyer for providing the ORAS and ADV Metagame resources.


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Welcome to SS ZU! Now considered an old gen with the introduction of SV, resources will be linked to their original sources that are now closed and archived. Artwork coming soon!
Original thread here: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/ss-zu-sample-teams.3680071/.

Swords Dance Qwilfish Balance by OranBerryBlissey10
:qwilfish::rhydon::tangela::miltank::articuno::rotom:

Skuntank + Thwackey Balance by Tuthur
:articuno::miltank::palossand::rapidash::skuntank::thwackey:

Sun by Tuthur
:ivysaur::liepard::qwilfish::rapidash::shiftry::uxie:

Froslass Balance by diegoyuhhi
:froslass::altaria::stunfisk::klinklang::alcremie::sawk:

Roselia + Pawniard Hazard Stack by sleid
:cryogonal::rhydon::roselia::pawniard::rotom::poliwrath:
Original post here: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/ss-zu-resources-hub.3665776/#post-8502699.
Last Edit: June 19, 2022

Wallbreakers

Physical:
:abomasnow:, :boltund:, :dugtrio-alola:, :flapple:, :Froslass: , :gourgeist: (Small), :kangaskhan:, :liepard:, :lycanroc-midnight:,:marowak:, :morpeko:, :rhydon:,:sawk:, :shiftry:, :silvally:(any form) :spiritomb:, :stonjourner:, :thwackey:, :trevenant:, :unfezant:

Special:
:abomasnow:, :accelgor:, :alcremie:, :exeggutor:,:jynx:,:manectric:, :pincurchin:, :poliwrath:,:rotom:, :thievul:,

Mixed:
:abomasnow:, :boltund:, :flapple:,:gourgeist: (Small), :lurantis:, :shiftry:, :silvally: (Electric, Flying, Grass, Normal, Poison),

Stallbreakers (Taunt, Setup, ect.):
:altaria:, :appletun:, :articuno:, :bouffalant:, :Froslass: ,:golbat:, :jynx:, :liepard:, :noctowl:, :persian-alola:, :qwilfish:, :rotom:, :rotom-fan:, :sawk:, :shiftry:,:skuntank:, :tangela:

Archetype-Oriented:
Sun:
  • Setters: :liepard:,:pincurchin:,:uxie:
  • Wallbreakers: :exeggutor:,:ivysaur:,:leafeon:,:rapidash:,:shiftry:
Electric Terrain:
:drifblim:,:liepard:, :manectric:, :musharna:, :pincurchin:, :rapidash-galar:, :rotom:, :swoobat:, :thievul:, :uxie:

Grassy Terrain:
:flapple:,:gourgeist:(Small), :shiftry:, :thwackey:, :trevenant:

Hail:
:abomasnow:

Trick Room:
:carbink:, :cofagrigus:, :exeggutor:, :runerigus:, :trevenant:, :uxie:

Choice Item Users

Choice Band:

:dugtrio-alola:, :flapple:, :Froslass: ,:gourgeist: (Small), :liepard:, :lycanroc-midnight:,:morpeko:, :sawk:, :silvally:(Normal),:thwackey:,:trevenant:,

Choice Specs:
:abomasnow:, :appletun:, :accelgor:, :exeggutor:, :jynx:, :manectric:, :rotom:,:thievul:

Choice Scarf:
:ditto:, :gourgeist:(Small), :kabutops:, :manectric:, :persian-alola:, :poliwrath:, :rotom:, :rotom-fan:, :sawk:, :silvally:(Normal)

Walls/Tanks

Physically Defensive

  • Walls:
    :alcremie:, :altaria:, :appletun:, :coalossal:, :clefairy:, :corsola-galar:, :cramorant:,:golbat:, :miltank:, :persian-alola:,:poliwrath:, :pyukumuku:, :qwilfish:, :runerigus: :sableye:, :tangela:, :throh:, :uxie:
  • Tanks:
    :gurdurr:, :piloswine:, :rhydon:
Specially Defensive
  • Walls:
    :alcremie:, :articuno:, :altaria:, :appletun:, :clefairy:,:corsola:, :corsola-galar:, :cramorant:, :cryogonal:, :kangaskhan:, :miltank:, :pyukumuku:, :runerigus:, :stunfisk:,:stunfisk-galar:, :throh:, :uxie:
  • Tanks:
    :piloswine:
Mixed
  • Walls:
    :alcremie:, :articuno:,:altaria:, :appletun:, :coalossal:,:clefairy:, :corsola-galar:, :lickilicky:,:miltank:, :musharna:,:pyukumuku:, :roselia:,:runerigus:, :shedinja:, :throh:, :uxie:

  • Tanks:
    :cradily:, :piloswine:, :rhydon:
Defensive Support

Clerics (Aromatherapy / Heal Bell):

:alcremie:, :altaria:, :clefairy:,:lickilicky:, :miltank:,:musharna:

Electric Immunity:
:manectric:, :piloswine:, :raichu:, :rhydon:, :shedinja:, :stunfisk:, :stunfisk-galar:

Haze
:altaria:, :articuno:, :cryogonal:, :golbat:, :skuntank:

Phazing
:altaria:, :articuno:, :golbat:, :persian-alola:, :poliwrath:, :rhydon:, :throh:

Regenerator:
:tangela:

Status Absorbers:
:altaria:, :clefairy:, :musharna:, :poliwrath:, :rapidash-galar:, :roselia:, :throh:

Unaware:
:pyukumuku:

Wish:
:clefairy:, :kangaskhan:,:lickilicky:

Entry Hazards

Stealth Rock:

  • Offensive:
    :crustle:, :cursola: , :dugtrio-alola:, :kabutops:,:lycanroc-midnight:,:marowak:, :piloswine:, :rhydon:
  • Defensive:
    :clefairy:,:coalossal:, :corsola:,:corsola-galar:, :mawile:,:miltank:, :piloswine:, :rhydon:, :runerigus:, :shuckle:, :stunfisk-galar:, :uxie:
Suicide Leads:
:accelgor:, :crustle:,:dugtrio-alola:, :Froslass:, :kabutops:, :uxie:

Spikes:
:accelgor:, :coalossal:, :crustle:, :Froslass:, :pincurchin:,:qwilfish:, :roselia:

Sticky Web:
:orbeetle:, :shuckle:

Toxic Spikes:
:accelgor:,:pincurchin:, :qwilfish:, :roselia:, :runerigus:

Hazard Removal/Prevention

Defog:

:altaria:, :articuno:,:cramorant:, :cryogonal:, :golbat:, :gurdurr:, :rotom:, :rotom-fan:, :shiftry:, :silvally: (Dark, Ground, Poison, Normal, Water), :skuntank:

Magic Bounce:
:hattrem:

Rapid Spin:
:coalossal:, :cryogonal:, :hitmonchan:, :kabutops:, :morpeko:

Spinblockers:
:cursola:, :gourgeist: (Small), :rotom:, :runerigus:, :sableye:, :spiritomb:,:trevenant:

Offensive Support

Pivots

  • Offensive VoltTurn:
    :accelgor:
    , :flapple:, :kabutops:, :klinklang:, :liepard:, :manectric:,:morpeko:, :raichu:, :rotom:, :rotom-fan:, :silvally: (Dark, Fighting, Normal, Psychic, Water), :Thievul:, :thwackey:

  • Defensive VoltTurn:
    :articuno:,:clefairy:,:golbat:, :persian-alola:,:silvally:(Poison, Water), :type-null:, :uxie:

  • Defensive Pivots:
    :coalossal:, :qwilfish:, :rhydon:, :runerigus:,:stunfisk-galar:, :tangela:
Encore:
:accelgor:, :liepard:, :sableye:, :shuckle:

Substitute:
:gourgeist: (Small), :jynx:, :klinklang:, :rotom:, :rotom-fan:, :silvally: (any form)

Taunt:
:jynx:, :liepard:, :persian-alola:, :qwilfish:, :sableye:,:sawk:, :skuntank:

Item Removal

Corrosive Gas:

:skuntank:

Knock Off:
:accelgor:, :clefairy:, :cryogonal:, :gurdurr:, :kabutops:,:lickilicky:, :liepard:, :persian-alola:, :raichu:,:sableye:, :sawk:, :shiftry:, :tangela:, :throh:, :thwackey:

Trick / Switcheroo:
:gourgeist: (Small),:liepard:, :manectric:,:persian-alola:, :rotom:, :Rotom-fan:, :trevenant:

Set-Up Support

Healing Wish:

:clefairy:

Memento:
:dugtrio-alola:, :uxie:

Status Spreaders

Burn

  • Flame Body:
    :coalossal::rapidash:
  • Scald:
    :qwilfish:, :poliwrath:, :pincurchin:
  • Will-O-Wisp:
    :rapidash:, :rotom:, :rotom-fan:, :sableye:, :shedinja:
Paralysis
  • Gulp Missile:
    :cramorant:
  • Effect Spore / Static:
    :shiinotic:, :stunfisk:
  • Thunder Wave:
    :liepard:, :qwilfish:, :stunfisk-galar:, :uxie:
Poison
  • Effect Spore / Poison Point:
    :roselia:, :shiinotic:
  • Toxic:
    :altaria:, :articuno:, :clefairy:, :cryogonal:, :dugtrio-alola:, :miltank:, :persian-alola:, :piloswine:, :poliwrath:, :pyukumuku:, :qwilfish:, :rapidash:, :rhydon:, :shedinja:, :stunfisk:, :uxie:

Sleep:
  • Effect Spore
    :shiinotic:
  • Lovely Kiss
    :jynx:
  • Sleep Powder
    :butterfree:, :exeggutor:, :tangela:
  • Spore
    :shiinotic:
  • Yawn
    :stunfisk-galar:, :uxie:
Priority Users

Aqua Jet:
:carracosta:,:kabutops:, :qwilfish:

Fake Out:
:kangaskhan:

Grassy Glide
:flapple:, :gourgeist: (Small),:shiftry:, :thwackey:,:trevenant:

Ice Shard:
:abomasnow:,:piloswine:

Mach Punch:
:gurdurr:

Shadow Sneak:
:gourgeist: (Small)

Sucker Punch:
:dugtrio-alola:, :flapple:, :kangaskhan:, :lycanroc-midnight:, :shiftry:, :trevenant:

Set-Up Sweepers

Agility / Rock Polish:
:rhydon:

Bulk Up:
:boltund:,:gurdurr:, :poliwrath:

Calm Mind:
:alcremie:, :musharna:, :rapidash-galar:,:swoobat:,:uxie:

Contrary:
:lurantis:

Nasty Plot:
:jynx:, :liepard:, :ninetales:, :persian-alola:, :raichu:,:rotom:, :rotom-fan:, :skuntank:, :swoobat:, :thievul:

Meteor Beam
:lunatone:

Quiver Dance:
:butterfree:, :lilligant:

Shell Smash:
:carracosta:, :crustle:

Shift Gear:
:klinklang:

Swords Dance:
:abomasnow:,:bouffalant:,:kabutops:, :leafeon:, :lycanroc-midnight, :qwilfish:, :rapidash:, :rapidash-galar:, :Shiftry:, :rhydon:, :silvally: (any form), :thwackey:

Work Up:
:silvally: (Electric, Grass, Normal, Poison, Water)
Original post here: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/ss-zu-resources-hub.3665776/post-8552106.
Stat / Pokémon / Base Speed / Nature / EVs / Boost
:accelgor::manectric:
854 / Accelgor / 145 / +Spe / 252 / +2
765 / Klinklang / 90 / Neutral / 156 / +4
718 / Swoobat / 114 / +Spe / 252 / +2
655 / Butterfree / 70 / +Spe / 252 / +3
644 / Morpeko / 97 / +Spe / 252 / +2
634 / Silvally / 95 / +Spe / 252 / +2
612 / Lilligant / 90 / +Spe / 252 / +2
588 / Rhydon / 40 / +Spe / 252 / +4
578 / Leafeon / 95 / Neutral / 252 / +2
568 / Kabutops / 80 / +Spe / 252 / +2
558 / Thievul / 90 / Neutral / 252 / +2
541 / Persian-Alola / 115 / +Spe / 252 / +1
537 / Carracosta / 32 / +Spe / 252 / +4
524 / Butterfree / 70 / +Spe / 252 / +2
518 / Shiftry / 80 / Neutral / 252 / +2
510 / Drifblim / Neutral / 236 / +2
510 / Klinklank / 90 / Neutral / 156 / +2
508 / Manectric / 105 / +Spe / 252 / +1
:gourgeist::crustle:
489 / Gourgeist-Small / 99 / +Spe / 252 / +1
483 / Morpeko / 97 / +Spe / 252 / +1
480 / Ivysaur / 60 / +Spe / 252 / +2
478 / Ludicolo, Lunatone / 70 / Neutral / 252 / +2
475 / Silvally / 95 / +Spe / 252 / +1
469 / Unfezant / 93 / +Spe / 252 / +1
463 / Rotom / 91 / +Spe / 252 / +1
459 / Lilligant / 90 / +Spe / 252 / +1
458 / Sandlsash-Alola / 65 / Neutral / 252 / +2
458 / Exeggutor / 55 / +Spe / 252 / +2
442 / Sawk / 85 / +Spe / 252 / +1
438 / Ivysaur / 60 / Neutral / 252 / +2
427 / Accelgor / 145 / +Spe / 252 / 0
426 / Kabutops / 80 / +Spe / 252 / +1
418 / Exeggutor / 55 / Neutral / 252 / +2
414 / Crustle / 45 / +Spe / 252 / +2
:butterfree::thievul:
393 / Butterfree, Poliwrath / 70 / +Spe / 252 / +1
392 / Rhydon / 40 / +Spe / 252 / +2
389 / Accelgor / 145 / Neutral / 252 / 0
375 / Boltund / 121 / +Spe / 252 / 0
363 / Uxie / 95 / Neutral / 64 / +1
361 / Persian-Alola / 115 / +Spe / 252 / 0
359 / Swoobat / 114 / +Spe / 252 / 0
358 / Carracosta / 32 / +Spe / 252 / +2
350 / Dugtrio-Alola, Froslass, Raichu / 110 / +Spe / 252 / 0
342 / Liepard / 106 / +Spe / 252 / 0
339 / Cryogonal, Manectric, Rapidash, Rapidash-Galar / 105 / +Spe / 252 / 0
328 / Ninetales / 100 / +Spe / 252 / 0
326 / Gourgeist-Small / 99 / +Spe / 252 / 0
322 / Morpeko / 97 / +Spe / 252 / 0
317 / Jynx, Silvally, Uxie / 95 / +Spe / 252 / 0
313 / Unfezant / 93 / +Spe / 252 / 0
309 / Rotom / 91 / +Spe / 252 / 0
306 / Kangaskhan, Lilligant, Thievul / 90 / +Spe / 252 / 0
:rotom-fan::altaria:
298 / Rotom-Fan / 86 / +Spe / 252 / 0
295 / Articuno, Cramorant, Qwilfish, Sawk / 85 / +Spe / 252 / 0
293 / Skuntank / 84 / +Spe / 252 / 0
289 / Leafeon / 95 / Neutral / 252 / 0
289 / Lycanroc-Midnight / +Spe / 252 / 0
284 / Kabutops, Thwackey / 80 / +Spe / 252 / 0
279 / Kangaskhan, Thievul / 90 / Neutral / 252 / 0
267 / Skuntank / 84 / Neutral / 252 / 0
264 / Golbat / 90 / +Spe / 96 / 0
263 / Lycanroc-Midnight / 82 / Neutral / 252 / 0
262 / Butterfree, Flapple, Poliwrath / 70 / +Spe / 252 / 0
259 / Shiftry, Thwackey / 80 / Neutral / 252 / 0
255 / Drifblim / 80 / Neutral / 236 / 0
255 / Klinklank / 90 / Neutral / 156 / 0
252 / Miltank / 100 / Neutral / 64 / 0
249 / Falinks / 75 / Neutral / 252 / 0
242 / Uxie / 95 / Neutral / 64 / 0
240 / Abomasnow, Ivysaur / 60 / +Spe / 252 / 0
239 / Flapple, Ludicolo, Lunatone / 70 / Neutral / 252 / 0
231 / Uxie / 95 / Neutral / 20 / 0
230 / Qwilfish / 85 / Neutral / 96 / 0
230 / Cramorant / 85 / +Spe / 16 / 0
230 / Golbat / 90 / Neutral / 56 / 0
229 / Exeggutor / 55 / +Spe / 252 / 0
227 / Alcremie / 64 / Neutral / 252 / 0
226 / Uxie / 95 / Neutral / 0 / 0
219 / Abomasnow, Ivysaur / 60 / Neutral / 252 / 0
212 / Articuno / 85 / Neutral / 24 / 0
211 / Trevenant / 56 / Neutral / 252 / 0
209 / Bouffalant, Exeggutor / 55 / Neutral / 252 / 0
207 / Crustle / 45 / +Spe / 252 / 0
203 / Uxie / 95 / -Spe / 0 / 0
200 / Altaria / 80 / Neutral / 16 / 0
:piloswine::stunfisk-galar:
199 / Piloswine / 50 / Neutral / 0 / 0
196 / Rhydon / 40 / +Spe / 252 / 0
183 / Malamar / 73 / Neutral / 4 / 0
180 / Poliwrath / 70 / Neutral / 16 / 0
179 / Carracosta / 32 / +Spe / 252 / 0
179 / Rhydon / 40 / Neutral / 252 / 0
166 / Lapras / 60 / Neutral / 40 / 0
165 / Lurantis / 45 / Neutral / 156 / 0
164 / Alcremie / 64 / Neutral / 0 / 0
156 / Lapras, Tangela / 60 / Neutral / 0 / 0
144 / Gourgeist-XL / 54 / Neutral / 0 / 0
138 / Cradily / 43 / Neutral / 64 / 0 / 0
137 / Appletun / 30 / Neutral / 164 / 0
137 / Rhydon / 40 / Neutral / 84 / 0
136 / Piloswine, Sableye / 50 / Neutral / 0 / 0
134 / Hattrem / 49 / Neutral / 0 / 0
129 / Coalossal / 30 / -Spe / 0 / +1
126 / Throh / 45 / Neutral / 0 / 0
122 / Cradily / 43 / Neutral / 0 / 0
116 / Gurdurr / 40 / Neutral / 0 / 0
110 / Type: Null / 59 / -Spe / 0 / 0 (0 Speed IVs)
106 / Clefairy, Palossand, Spiritomb / 35 / Neutral / 0 / 0
100 / Stunfisk, Stunfisk-Galar / 32 / Neutral / 0 / 0
:appletun::shuckle:
96 / Appletun, Runerigus / 30 / Neutral / 0 / 0
94 / Musharna / 29 / Neutral / 0 / 0
86 / Coalossal / 30 / -Spe / 0 / 0
66 / Pincurchin / 15 / Neutral / 0 / 0
56 / Musharna / 29 / -Spe / 0 / 0 (0 Speed IVs)
46 / Pyukumuku, Shuckle / 5 / Neutral / 0 / 0

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Welcome to the SM ZU Viability Rankings. In this thread, Pokemon are ranked based on their ability to function within the ZU Metagame. This includes many factors, such as versatility, effectiveness, ability to handle metagame trends, size of niche, and several others. Since these are likely to be highly contested, there are a few rules to abide by:
  • Post reasoning. Posts like ‘Furfrou should go to B because it can use Cotton Guard and has Fur Coat’ will be deleted and possibly infracted. You are expected to give sound logic for the nominations you make. Any one-liners will be deleted and possibly infracted.
  • Be civil. It doesn’t matter how heavily you disagree with a post, at the end of the day it’s an opinion posted by another person so throwing insults at them isn’t gonna be okay.
  • No discussion of future bans, suspects, or metagames. We aren’t gonna rise Seaking because Rotom-Frost may drop, no matter how likely it is. We also won't drop Gourgeist-XL because Pinsir may get tested.
  • If you want to nominate a currently unranked Pokemon to be ranked, replays are a requirement. Preferably, these are replays against high level players so that you really show us that this Pokemon can put in work.
  • At the same time, do not base your entire argument around replays and usage statistics. It’s important to show why this Pokemon performs, not just that it does.
Pokemon within sub-ranks are ordered alphabetically. The Usually Useless rank holds Pokemon that have a niche, but it is so minimal that it is almost never recommended to use them.

Also, the Pokemon’s names in this thread link to analyses, either uploaded or WIP, or sample sets!
S Rank
:Electivire: Electivire
:swanna: Swanna

A Rank

A+

:Bouffalant: Bouffalant
:furfrou: Furfrou
:Golem: Golem
:Komala: Komala
:Rotom-Fan: Rotom-Fan
:Simisage: Simisage
:wishiwashi: Wishiwashi

A
:Bronzor: Bronzor
:Combusken: Combusken
:Crustle: Crustle
:Gourgeist: Gourgeist-Super
:Leafeon: Leafeon
:Mareanie: Mareanie
:Muk: Muk
:silvally-poison: Silvally-Poison
:Silvally-Water: Silvally-Water
:Simipour: Simipour
:Simisear: Simisear
:torterra: Torterra

A-
:Altaria: Altaria
:Beheeyem: Beheeyem
:Cacturne: Cacturne
:Kadabra: Kadabra
:poliwrath: Poliwrath
:Rapidash: Rapidash
:Silvally-Dragon: Silvally-Dragon
:silvally-electric: Silvally-Electric
:Silvally-Fighting: Silvally-Fighting
:Silvally-Ground: Silvally-Ground

B Rank

B+

:Dusclops: Dusclops
:Floatzel: Floatzel
:Mawile: Mawile
:mr_mime: Mr. Mime
:Pawniard: Pawniard
:Pinsir: Pinsir
:Raichu: Raichu
:Sandslash: Sandslash
:Servine: Servine
:Silvally: Silvally
:Silvally: Silvally-Dark
:Toucannon: Toucannon

B
:Avalugg: Avalugg
:Bellossom: Bellossom
:Butterfree: Butterfree
:Camerupt: Camerupt
:Chatot: Chatot
:Golduck: Golduck
:gourgeist: Gourgeist-Small
:Granbull: Granbull
:grimer_alola: Grimer-Alola
:Kecleon: Kecleon
:lapras: Lapras
:Lickilicky: Lickilicky
:Marowak: Marowak
:Monferno: Monferno
:Rampardos: Rampardos
:Purugly: Purugly
:Pyukumuku: Pyukumuku
:silvally-grass: Silvally-Grass
:Vigoroth: Vigoroth
:Volbeat: Volbeat

B-
:Basculin: Basculin
:corsola: Corsola
:Ditto: Ditto
:Dugtrio: Dugtrio
:duosion: Duosion
:Drifblim: Drifblim
:Electrode: Electrode
:Fraxure: Fraxure
:glaceon: Glaceon
:hippopotas: Hippopotas
:Huntail: Huntail
:Machoke: Machoke
:Sawsbuck: Sawsbuck
:shuckle: Shuckle
:trevenant: Trevenant

C Rank

C+

:Arbok: Arbok
:bibarel: Bibarel
:Cradily: Cradily
:Golem-Alola: Golem-Alola
:Jumpluff: Jumpluff
:Lycanroc-Midnight: Lycanroc-Midnight
:Metang: Metang
:Natu: Natu
:ninjask: Ninjask
:Raticate: Raticate
:relicanth: Relicanth
:Shiinotic: Shiinotic
:Swoobat: Swoobat
:vullaby: Vullaby

C
:Armaldo: Armaldo
:beartic: Beartic
:chimecho: Chimecho
:Hakamo-o: Hakamo-o
:ivysaur: Ivysaur
:probopass: Probopass
:quilladin: Quilladin
:regice: Regice
:smeargle: Smeargle
:Stunfisk: Stunfisk
:Vibrava: Vibrava
:Zebstrika: Zebstrika

C-
:Carbink: Carbink
:flareon: Flareon
:frogadier: Frogadier
:Gabite: Gabite
:leavanny:Leavanny
:meowstic: Meowstic-M
:Misdreavus: Misdreavus
:murkrow: Murkrow
:Noctowl: Noctowl
:Oricorio: Oricorio-Baille
:palpitoad: Palpitoad
:solrock: Solrock
:zweilous: Zweilous
SM ZU Sample Teams
Mostly taken from LC’s sample team thread by Altariel von Sweep

Welcome to the ZU Sample Team Archive! Here you will find a collection of solid, successful teams intended to help new players get acclimated to the metagame and different playstyles found within the tier. Everyone is welcome to submit a team, but in order to maintain a good quality archive, your team will be subject to approval from the council before its addition. You may use any team in this archive as you see fit. Teams are updated in the OP.

Team Submission Guidelines:
Requirements:
  • Importable of team
  • Team description: Describe how the team works, what each member does, and list any glaring weaknesses
  • Teams must be good, reflective of the current metagame, and easy to use

After you’ve submitted your team, the council will look it over and either add it or post here explaining why we will not.

MareZor by 5gen :bronzor::torterra::combusken::silvally:::mareanie::electivire:


Sub SD Balance by 5gen :bouffalant::silvally::torterra::dusclops::swanna::kadabra:
Substitute Swords Dance Bouffalant is a great wincon in the current metagame thanks to its ability to setup on common Pokemon such as Mareanie and Choice-locked Exeggutor and off switches it forces. Silvally-Dark provides Defog support, pivoting, and checks Pokemon such as Bronzor and Dusclops for Bouffalant. Stealth Rock Torterra and physically defensive Dusclops form the defensive backbone of the team. Defog Swanna adds another check to Combusken and Mareanie and helps against Toxic Spikes. For the final slot, I couldn't really find a suitable Choice Scarf user and felt that Sash Counter Kadabra would provide much needed glue, being able to check attackers in a pinch and having the freedom to switch up moves and threaten things such as Gourgeist-XL, Swanna, and Machoke.

Notable weaknesses are CB Komala, Nasty Plot Raichu, opposing Swanna, Simipour, and Electivire (both mixed and Choice Scarf).


Bronzor+Poliwrath Balance by 85percent :bronzor::torterra::poliwrath::silvally::simisear::rotom_fan:
Bronzor and Poliwrath are a great defensive core because blanket check various attackers such as Exeggutor, Swords Dance Combusken, and Simipour. Silvally-Poison acts as the team's Defogger. helps against Toxic Spikes and Pokemon such as Leafeon, Simisage, and Mareanie, and helps bring Torterra and Simisear in safely with U-turn. Swords Dance+Synthesis Torterra helps against Ground-types such as Golem and Marowak, and acts as a wallbreaker. Nasty Plot Simisear is another breaker and provides much needed speed. Choice Scarf Rotom-S round out the team, providing Speed control, another check to Swanna and Combusken, and provides good support with Trick and Will-O-Wisp.

Weaknesses this team has include rain and Golduck, Choice Band Komala, Electric-types such as Raichu, Choice Scarf Electivire, and Silvally-Electric.

Volt-Turn HO by DurzaOffTopic :ninjask::mr_mime::komala::silvally::golem::electivire:
The first team is a standard and incredibly easy to use hyper offense team that features SD Ninjask and Choice Specs Mr. Mime. These two Pokemon work very well with one another as Ninjask can bring in Mr. Mime off a U-turn, can threaten faster Pokemon such as Leafeon and Silvally-Dark, and can break through special walls such as Lickilicky and Bronzor at +2 for Mr. Mime. Similarly, Choice Specs Mr. Mime is able to punch through Ninjask's defensive checks such as Altaria, Gourgeist-XL, and Rotom-S to help pave a way for a mid- or late-game sweep. Assault Vest Komala and Silvally-Dragon provide entry hazard removal, more pivoting through U-turn, and necessary offensive and defensive utility for the team. Golem is the Stealth Rock user and mandatory Normal-type and Electivire check. Smack Down enables Golem to beat Bronzor and Sucker Punch is clutch against weakened offensive threats such as Kadabra, Exeggutor, and Simisear. Lastly, Choice Scarf Electivire provides speed control and more pivoting.

Crustle Swanna Bulky Offense by sketchy ecchi


Bronzor @ Eviolite
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 248 SpD / 8 Spe
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Stealth Rock
- Toxic
- Psywave
- Rest

Silvally-Water⠀ (Silvally-Dragon) @ Dragon Memory
Ability: RKS System
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Draco Meteor
- Thunderbolt
- U-turn
- Defog

Crustle @ Figy Berry
Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
IVs: 30 HP
- Shell Smash
- Stone Edge
- X-Scissor
- Earthquake

Swanna @ Flyinium Z
Ability: Big Pecks
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Mirror Move
- Brave Bird
- Liquidation
- Aqua Jet

Simisage @ Life Orb
Ability: Overgrow
EVs: 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Naive Nature
IVs: 29 HP
- Leaf Storm
- Superpower
- Knock Off
- Hidden Power [Ice]

Electivire @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Motor Drive
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
Naive Nature
- Wild Charge
- Earthquake
- Ice Punch
- Volt Switch
This team is the result of a collaborative effort from 85percent, quagsgone, and me. It’s a standard bulky offense team featuring two of the most dangerous set-up sweepers in ZU, Crustle and Swanna. Bronzor sets up stealth rocks and, thanks to its many resistances, checks a significant portion of the tier, including Swanna, Golem, and Bouffalant. 8 speed EVs allow it to get the jump on opposing Bronzors and psywave them first. Silvally-Dragon defogs and uses its strong draco meteor to force switches and grab momentum. Thunderbolt allows Silvally to force Mareanie out and defog its t-spikes away. Crustle functions as a set-up sweeper that’s difficult to revenge on account of its bulk and as a secondary normal resist for things like Komala and Kecleon. Figy berry mitigates rocks damage with 30 HP IVs allowing it to activate after three switch-ins to stealth rock. Flyinium Z gives Swanna the opportunity to boost its attack with Z-mirror move, or in cases where that’s not feasible, a one-time nuke with Z-brave bird. Defensively, Swanna is key to checking and revenging Combusken. Simisage fills the void left by Shiftry’s departure and creates opportunities for Crustle and Swanna to sweep by breaking defensive staples such as Bronzor, Mareanie, Pyukumuku, and Dusclops. Scarf Electivire rounds out the team, providing speed control and an electric immunity which forces mind games for teams that rely on Electivire to revenge Swanna.

This team is fast-paced and focuses more on pressuring the opposing team than playing reactively, and so it doesn’t have defensive counterplay for everything. Crustle and Z-me first Pinsir are notable threats, but Crustle can be revenged by Electivire and Swanna, and Pinsir by Silvally-Dragon as long as it’s healthy. This team lacks a dark resist, so Pawniard and other dark types must be played around very carefully, but sucker punch can be exploited. Silvally-Dragon has good matchups versus most hazard setters, with the exception of Bronzor which is susceptible to being worn down. This is important as Crustle and Swanna hate switching into stealth rocks, and the game often revolves around finding the right time for them to set-up and win.


Resources

Speed Tiers
:electivire:
SpeedPokemonBase SpeedNatureEVsBoost
722 :floatzel:Floatzel115+Spe252+2
628 :ninjask:Ninjask160Neutral252+1
586 :raticate:Raticate97Neutral252+2
578 :leafeon:Leafeon95Neutral252+2
572 :combusken:Combusken55+Spe252+3
567 :crustle:Crustle45Neutral252+4
538 :pinsir:Pinsir85Neutral252+2
526 :lycanroc-midnight:Lycanroc-Midnight82Neutral252+2
525 :raichu:Raichu110+Spe252+1
518 :drifblim:Drifblim80Neutral252+2
508 :rapidash:Rapidash105+Spe252+1
496 :simisage: :simisear: :simipour:Simisage, Simisear, Simipour101+Spe252+1
486 :swanna:Swanna98+Spe252+1
480 :toucannon:Toucannon60+Spe252+2
478 :poliwrath: :noctowl:Poliwrath, Noctowl70Neutral252+2
475 :electivire: :silvally: :leafeon: :sawsbuck:Electivire, Silvally, Leafeon, Sawsbuck95+Spe252+1
464 :torterra:Torterra56+Spe252+2
463 :chatot:Chatot91+Spe252+1
459 :mr. mime:Mr. Mime90+Spe252+1
458 :combusken:Combusken
55​
+Spe
252​
+2
458 :hakamo-o:Hakamo-o65Neutral
252​
+2
447 :rotom-fan:Rotom-S86+Spe252+1
442 :pinsir:Pinsir85+Spe252+1
438 :electrode:Electrode150+Spe252+0
436 :bellossom:Bellossom50+Spe252+2
419 :ninjask:Ninjask160Neutral252+0
406 :huntail:Huntail52Neutral252+2

:swanna:
SpeedPokemonBase SpeedNatureEVsBoost
398 :beartic::regice:Beartic, Regice50Neutral252+2
393 :butterfree:Butterfree70+Spe252+1
384 :fraxure:Fraxure67+Spe252+1
378 :crustle: :armaldo:Crustle, Armaldo45Neutral252+2
376 :glaceon:Glaceon65+Spe252+1
372 :dugtrio:Dugtrio120+Spe252+0
364 :zebstrika:Zebstrika116+Spe252+0
361 :floatzel:Floatzel115+Spe252+0
359 :swoobat:Swoobat114+Spe252+0
355 :purugly:Purugly112+Spe252+0
350 :raichu: :jumpluff:Raichu, Jumpluff110+Spe252+0
349 :fraxure:Fraxure67Neutral252+1
343 :combusken:Combusken55+Spe252+1
343 :hakamo-o:Hakamo-o65Neutral252+1
339 :rapidash: :kadabra:Rapidash, Kadabra105+Spe252+0
333 :furfrou:Furfrou102+Spe252+0
331 :simisage: :simisear: :simipour:Simisage, Simisear, Simipour101+Spe252+0
328 :slaking:Slaking100+Spe252+0
327 :bellossom:Bellossom50+Spe252+1
326 :gourgeist:Gourgeist-S99+Spe252+0
324 :swanna: :basculin:Swanna, Basculin98+Spe252+0
322 :raticate: :frogadier:Raticate, Frogadier97+Spe252+0
317 :electivire: :silvally: :leafeon: :sawsbuck:Electivire, Silvally, Leafeon, Sawsbuck95+Spe252+0
313 :oricorio:Oricorio93+Spe252+0
311 :leavanny:Leavanny92+Spe252+0
309 :chatot: :murkrow:Chatot, Murkrow91+Spe252+0
306 :mr. mime: :vigoroth:Mr. Mime, Vigoroth90+Spe252+0

:komala:
SpeedPokemonBase SpeedNatureEVsBoost
298 :rotom-fan:Rotom-S86+Spe252+0
295 :pinsir: :misdreavus:Pinsir, Misdreavus85+Spe252+0
293 :raticate:Raticate97Neutral252+0
291 :servine:Servine83+Spe252+0
289 :electivire: :silvally:Electivire, Silvally95Neutral252+0
289 :lycanroc-midnight:Lycanroc-Midnight82+Spe252+0
287 :monferno:Monferno81+Spe252+0
284 :arbok:Arbok80+Spe252+0
281 :chatot:Chatot91Neutral252+0
273 :smeargle:Smeargle75+Spe252+0
271 :krokorok:Krokorok74+Spe252+0
269 :pinsir: :golduck:Pinsir, Golduck85Neutral252+0
263 :lycanroc-midnight:Lycanroc-Midnight82Neutral252+0
262 :butterfree: :onix:Butterfree, Onix70+Spe252+0
259 :drifblim:Drifblim80Neutral252+0
256 :fraxure:Fraxure67+Spe252+0
251 :komala: :sandslash:Komala, Sandslash, Glaceon65+Spe252+0
244 :meowstic:Meowstic104Neutral0+0
241 :bibarel:Bibarel71Neutral252+0
240 :toucannon:Toucannon60+Spe252+0
239 :poliwrath: :noctowl:Poliwrath, Noctowl70Neutral252+0
236 :rampardos:Rampardos58+Spe252+0
236 :regigigas:Regigigas100Neutral0+0
234 :quilladin:Quilladin57+Spe252+0
233 :fraxure:Fraxure67Neutral252+0
232 :torterra: :trevenant:Torterra, Trevenant56+Spe252+0
229 :combusken: :relicanth:Combusken, Relicanth55+Spe252+0
229 :komala: :glaceon: :hakamo-o: :flareon:Komala, Glaceon, Hakamo-o, Flareon65Neutral252+0
219 :pawniard: :toucannon: :lapras:Pawniard, Toucannon, Lapras60Neutral252+0
218 :bellossom:Bellossom50+Spe252+0
211 :torterra: :trevenant:Torterra, Trevenant56Neutral252+0
209 :bouffalant: :cacturne: :relicanth:Bouffalant, Cacturne, Relicanth55Neutral252+0
207 :crustle:Crustle45+Spe252+0
203 :huntail:Huntail52Neutral252+0
200 :gabite:Gabite82Neutral0+0

:golem:
SpeedPokemonBase SpeedNatureEVs / IVsBoost
199 :mawile: :regice: :beartic:Mawile, Regice, Beartic50Neutral252+0
196 :altaria:Altaria80Neutral0+0
196 :beheeyem: :camerupt::shedinja:Shedinja40+Spe252+0
189 :crustle: :golem: :granbull: :marowak: :golem-alola: :armaldo:Crustle, Golem, Granbull, Marowak, Golem-Alola, Armaldo45Neutral252+0
179 :shedinja:Shedinja40Neutral252+0
176 :poliwrath: :natu: :vibrava: :solrock:Poliwrath, Natu, Vibrava, Solrock70Neutral0+0
172 :gogoat:Gogoat68Neutral0+0
166 :komala: :sandslash: :chimecho: :gothitelle:Komala, Sandslash, Chimecho, Gothitelle65Neutral0+0
157 :volbeat:Volbeat85-Spe0 IVs+0
156 :vullaby:Vullaby60Neutral0+0
152 :zweilous:Zweilous58Neutral0+0
150 :quilladin:Quilladin57Neutral0+0
148 :torterra:Torterra56Neutral0+0
146 :bouffalant:Bouffalant55Neutral0+0
144 :gourgeist:Gourgeist-XL54Neutral0+0
136 :mawile: :lickilicky: :muk: :carbink: :metang: :regice:Mawile, Lickilicky, Muk, Carbink, Metang, Regice50Neutral0+0
126 :mareanie: :golem: :granbull: :marowak: :machoke:Mareanie, Golem, Granbull, Marowak, Machoke45Neutral0+0
122 :cradily:Cradily43Neutral0+0
121 :chimecho:Chimecho65-Spe0 IVs+0
118 :regigigas:Regigigas100Neutral0Slow Start
116 :beheeyem: :kecleon: :probopass: :togetic:Beheeyem, Kecleon, Probopass, Togetic40Neutral0+0
106 :corsola:Corsola35Neutral0+0
104 :kecleon:Kecleon40-Spe0+0
100 :hippopotas: :stunfisk:Hippopotas, Stunfisk32Neutral0+0

:bronzor:
SpeedPokemonBase SpeedNatureEVs / IVsBoost
96 :wishiwashi-school: :duosion: :shiinotic:Wishiwashi-School, Duosion, Shiinotic30Neutral0+0
94 :carbink:Carbink50-Spe0 IVs+0
92 :avalugg:Avalugg28Neutral0+0
86 :dusclops: :grimer-alola:Dusclops, Grimer-Alola25Neutral0+0
85 :marowak: :dusknoir:Marowak, Dusknoir45-Spe0 IVs+0
82 :bronzor:Bronzor23Neutral0+0
76 :beheeyem: :camerupt:Beheeyem, Camerupt40-Spe0 IVs+0
58 :wishiwashi-school:Wishiwashi-School3-Spe0 IVs+0
46 :pyukumuku: :shuckle: :munchlax:Pyukumuku, Shuckle, Munchlax5Neutral0+0

Role Compendium
SM ZU ROLE COMPENDIUM

Entry Hazard Setters
Stealth Rock:
:torterra::bronzor::crustle::golem::mawile::marowak::shuckle::sandslash::carbink::corsola::cradily::dugtrio::metang::monferno::hippopotas::probopass::relicanth::smeargle::armaldo::stunfisk::gabite::krokorok::onix::solrock:
Spikes:
:crustle::cacturne::quilladin:
Toxic Spikes:
:mareanie::frogadier:
Sticky Web:
:shuckle::smeargle::leavanny:

Entry Hazard Removal/Deterrents
Defog:
:swanna::silvally:(Dark, Dragon, Water, Fighting, Ground, Electric, Poison, Grass):rotom-fan::altaria::servine::vullaby::vibrava::togetic:
Rapid Spin:
:komala::sandslash::avalugg::armaldo:
Magic Bounce:
:natu:
Defiant/Contrary/Competitive:
:pawniard::servine:
Spinblockers:
:gourgeist:(Super, Small):dusclops::trevenant::drifblim::misdreavus:

Defensive Checks
Electric Immunities:
:torterra::electivire::golem::raichu::marowak::silvally:(Ground) :camerupt::sandslash::dugtrio::hippopotas::stunfisk::vibrava::gabite::shedinja:
Fire-type Checks:
:swanna::mareanie::golem::silvally:(Dragon, Water):altaria::poliwrath::pyukumuku::rapidash::floatzel::carbink::corsola::wishiwashi-school:
Water-type Checks:
:electivire::mareanie::rotom-fan::silvally:(Dragon, Water, Electric) :poliwrath::pyukumuku::wishiwashi-school::lapras::shedinja:
Grass-type Checks:
:combusken::bronzor::gourgeist:(Super, Small):mawile::rotom-fan::silvally:(Dragon, Poison, Grass):altaria::rapidash::simisear::muk::pinsir::volbeat::monferno::grimer-alola::ninjask::vullaby::arbok::togetic:
Ground-type Checks:
:swanna::torterra::bronzor::gourgeist:(Super, Small):altaria::leafeon::poliwrath::silvally:(Fighting, Grass):simisage::floatzel::simipour::toucannon::avalugg::golduck::basculin::bellossom::cacturne::glaceon::servine::chimecho::natu::shiinotic::trevenant::quilladin::gogoat:

Setup Users
Swords Dance:
:combusken::torterra::bouffalant::silvally:(Dark, Dragon, Fighting, Normal):leafeon::pawniard::marowak::pinsir::sawsbuck::bibarel::jumpluff::lycanroc-midnight::ninjask::raticate::armaldo::beartic::shedinja:
Nasty Plot:
:beheeyem::raichu::simisear::mr. mime::simipour::chatot:
Bulk Up:
:komala::floatzel::muk::vigoroth::gogoat::munchlax:
Calm Mind:
:beheeyem::oricorio::swoobat:
Agility/Rock Polish:
:torterra::lycanroc-midnight::regice::noctowl:
Z-Moves:
:swanna::murkrow:(Mirror Move):swanna:(Rain Dance):leafeon::glaceon:(Celebrate):mr. mime::chatot: (Encore):pinsir:(Me First)
Other:
:combusken::ninjask:(Speed Boost):crustle::huntail:(Shell Smash):bellossom::butterfree:(Quiver Dance):servine:(Contrary):duosion:(Acid Armor):trevenant:(Power-Up Punch):drifblim:(Unburden):noctowl:(Work Up):arbok: (Coil)

Wallbreakers
Physical:
:torterra::bouffalant::komala::crustle::golem::mawile::pawniard::granbull::marowak::pinsir::toucannon::golem-alola::lycanroc-midnight::rampardos::raticate::relicanth::beartic::arbok::flareon:
Special:
:raichu::simisear::silvally:(Dragon, Water, Electric):floatzel::camerupt::chatot::glaceon::noctowl:
Mixed:
:kecleon::simisage::toucannon::cacturne:

Revenge Killers
Choice Scarf:
:electivire::swanna::rotom-fan::rapidash::mr. mime::pinsir::silvally:(Normal):sawsbuck::chatot:
Priority:
:swanna::golem::furfrou::kecleon::pawniard::floatzel::purugly::basculin::cacturne::raticate::beartic::arbok::flareon::murkrow:
Naturally Fast:
:furfrou::raichu::rapidash::simisage::simisear::floatzel::simipour::purugly::dugtrio::electrode::jumpluff::ninjask::zebstrika:

Walls
Physical:
:torterra::mareanie::golem::gourgeist:(Super):mawile::altaria::poliwrath::pyukumuku::granbull::avalugg::corsola::cradily::hippopotas::shiinotic::togetic:
Special:
:bronzor::komala::mareanie::dusclops::lickilicky::muk::corsola::wishiwashi-school::lapras::probopass::regice::munchlax:
Mixed:
:mareanie::pyukumuku::servine::vullaby::misdreavus::stunfisk::gogoat:

Momentum
U-turn:
:komala::silvally:(Dark, Dragon, Water, Fighting, Normal, Ground, Electric, Poison, Grass):furfrou::toucannon::purugly::chatot::jumpluff::monferno::oricorio::wishiwashi-school::natu::ninjask::raticate::frogadier::vullaby:
Volt Switch:
:electivire::rotom-fan::electrode::golem-alola::probopass::zebstrika:
Parting Shot:
:silvally:(Water, Grass)
Explosion:
:electrode::carbink::onix:
Memento:
:muk::dugtrio::dusknoir:
Regenerator:
:mareanie::corsola:

Trappers
Pursuit: :bouffalant::silvally:(Dark):grimer-alola:
Magnet Pull: :golem-alola::probopass:
Block: :pyukumuku:

Phazing
Roar/Whirlwind:
:avalugg::quilladin::munchlax::zweilous:
Circle Throw:
:poliwrath::hakamo-o:
Haze:
:mareanie::altaria::dusclops:
Unaware:
:pyukumuku:

Clerics
Wish:
:komala::lickilicky:
Healing Wish:
:mr. mime:
Heal Bell/Aromatherapy:
:altaria::leafeon::lickilicky::granbull::servine::chimecho::lapras::togetic:
Z-Memento:
:dusknoir:

Weather/Trick Room
Rain Setters:
:muk::volbeat::carbink::electrode::relicanth:
Rain Abusers:
:golduck::huntail::armaldo::beartic:
Sun Setters:
:golem::muk::onix:
Sun Abusers:
:leafeon::rapidash::simisear::sawsbuck:
Trick Room Setters:
:beheeyem::gourgeist:(Super):carbink::chimecho::dusknoir:
Trick Room Abusers:
:bouffalant::beheeyem::mawile::marowak::toucannon::camerupt::wishiwashi-school::rampardos:
 
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Welcome to the ORAS ZU resources and viability rankings! Pokémon are ranked based on many factors, including how versatile they are, their effect on the metagame, and reliability. All ranks are sorted alphabetically. If you'd like to see a change in the rankings, please leave a constructive post and provide evidence to support your reasoning.

To be played under the [Gen 6] ZU format. Standard bans, including anything PU and above, apply.
Each Pokémon has its own mini-analysis, akin to the Smogon StrategyDex. Just click on the name of the Pokémon to find its recommended set.

S Rank - These Pokémon are the best of the best. They require minimal support to function and should be prepared for by any serious team.

S

Servine

S-

Electabuzz

A Rank - Pokémon that are metagame staples. Can easily fill their given roles in team building, but have a noticeable weakness in need of addressing.

A+

Duosion
Dustox
Gigalith
Huntail
Lairon
Pignite
Politoed
Simipour
Simisage

A

Bronzor
Carbink
Frogadier
Jumpluff
Klang
Krokorok
Magmar
Scraggy
Swalot
Vibrava


A-

Furfrou
Gogoat
Gourgeist-Large
Ivysaur
Meowstic-M
Persian
Quilladin
Sawsbuck
Swoobat
Vanilluxe


B Rank - Notably fares well, either in response to certain threats in the metagame or occupying a useful niche to distinguish itself. These tend to have a few roadblocks that can dampen their performance.

B+

Dusclops
Hippopotas
Lopunny
Marshtomp
Meganium
Murkrow
Pikachu
Trubbish
Whirlipede
Whiscash
Wigglytuff

B

Butterfree
Dragonair
Glaceon
Glalie
Golduck
Gourgeist-Small
Lunatone
Meowstic-F
Pidgeot
Raticate
Seaking
Seviper
Volbeat
Zweilous

B-

Beartic
Chimecho
Chinchou
Fearow
Gastly
Girafarig
Lampent
Magcargo
Mienfoo
Mightyena
Slaking
Solrock
Tentacool
Walrein

C Rank - Generally mediocre in play. They tend to have a smaller niche that needs more support to facilitate than higher-tiered Pokémon.

C+

Corsola
Ditto
Dwebble
Emolga
Gothitelle
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Graveler
Heatmor
Illumise
Kricketune
Luxray
Meditite
Munchlax
Natu
Palpitoad
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Sandshrew
Shelgon
Sliggoo
Wartortle

C

Ariados
Banette
Beedrill
Magnemite
Mothim
Octillery
Stunky
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Wailord
Wormadam-Trash

C-

:bibarel: Bibarel
Dunsparce
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Eelektrik
Frillish
Grotle
:masquerain: Masquerain
Choice Band Krokorok Volt-Turn by TWiTT :krokorok::dustox::gigalith::seaking::electabuzz::jumpluff:
Dragon Dance Whiscash by OranBerryBlissey10 :electabuzz::simisage::lampent::whiscash::lairon::persian:
Dragon, Fairy, Steel Balance by TWiTT :gogoat::klang::wigglytuff::vibrava::simipour::krokorok:
Scraggy Stall by TWiTT :carbink::vibrava::swalot::scraggy::bronzor::meganium:
Specs Magmar Offence by 5gen :sawsbuck::electabuzz::vibrava::gigalith::magmar::simipour:
Future Sight Duosion + Roar Pignite by 5Dots :Ivysaur: :Whiscash: :Gigalith: :Pignite: :Pikachu: :Duosion:
Future Sight Duosion + Scarf Simipour by TWiTT :Duosion: :Dustox: :Gigalith: :Servine: :Pignite: :Simipour:
Paraspam Regigigas + Banded Krokorok by TWiTT :regigigas::servine::krokorok::vibrava::klang::jumpluff:
Special Shell Smash Huntail by 5gen :huntail::vibrava::magmar::gigalith::purugly::simisage:
Screens Hyper Offense by 5dots :huntail: :gigalith: :scraggy: :meowstic: :simisage: :purugly:
Taunt Pignite balance by TWiTT :bronzor::wigglytuff::dustox::pignite::servine::purugly:
Purugly Spikestack by OranBerryBlissey10 :purugly: :whirlipede: :frillish: :sandshrew: :electabuzz: :lairon:
ORAS ZU Validator. Use this to see what is PU by usage.
Tour Banlist
Speed Tiers
Checks Compendium Coming Soon!
:xy/fraxure: Fraxure
:xy/purugly: Purugly
:ss/regigigas: Regigigas
:xy/simisear: Simisear
Entry Hazards:

Spikes: :dwebble::glalie::maractus::quilladin::trubbish::whirlipede:

Stealth Rock: :bastiodon::bronzor::carbink::corsola::dunsparce::dwebble::gigalith::graveler::grotle::hippopotas::krokorok::lairon::lunatone::magcargo::marshtomp::onix::palpitoad::solrock::wigglytuff::wormadam-sandy::wormadam-trash:

Sticky Web: :ariados::kricketune::masquerain:

Toxic Spikes: :ariados::beedrill::frogadier::tentacool::trubbish::whirlipede:

Hazard Control:

Defog: :beedrill::dustox::fearow::noctowl::pidgeot::stunky::vibrava:

Magic Bounce: :natu:

Rapid Spin: :sandshrew::tentacool::wartortle:

Cleric:

Aromatherapy/Heal Bell: :chimecho::gothitelle::lickitung::meganium::phione::servine::snubbull::wigglytuff:

Healing Wish: :chimecho::lopunny:

Wish: :hypno::lickitung::shelgon::wigglytuff:

Miscellaneous Utility:

Clear Smog/Haze: :dusclops::politoed::trubbish::tentacool::wartortle:

Competitive/Defiant: :gothitelle::meowstic-f::wigglytuff:

Knock Off: :banette::beedrill::chimecho::dwebble::eelektrik::emolga::heatmor::ivysaur::kricketune::krokorok::lickitung::maractus::mienfoo::pancham::phione::pikachu::Pikachu-Belle::purugly::scraggy::seaking::servine::seviper::simipour::simisage::tentacool::wigglytuff:


Phazing: :dustox::hippopotas::lairon::lickitung::luxray::meganium::meowstic::munchlax::noctowl::pancham::quilladin::shelgon::walrein::zweilous:

Pivot: :beedrill::chinchou::dustox::eelektrik::emolga::fearow::foongus::frogadier::furfrou::electabuzz::illumise::jumpluff::klang::luxray::magnemite::mienfoo::mothim::natu::pancham::phione::pidgeot::pikachu::purugly::raticate::swoobat::vibrava::volbeat:

Priority: :ariados::banette::beartic::bibarel::dragonair::furfrou::glalie::gourgeist::graveler::heatmor::honedge::huntail::luxray::meditite::mightyena::murkrow::pignite::pikachu::purugly::raticate::seviper::stantler::vanilluxe::volbeat:

Screens: :carbink::chimecho::Gothitelle::lunatone::meganium::meowstic::solrock::swoobat::wigglytuff:

Switcheroo/Trick: :chimecho::girafarig::gothitelle::gourgeist::lampent::lopunny::meditite::meowstic::meowstic-f::seviper::volbeat:

Trapping: :krokorok::magnemite::murkrow::raticate::slaking:

Offensive Roles:

Revenge Killer: :electabuzz::emolga::fearow::frogadier::furfrou::girafarig::krokorok::lopunny::meowstic-f::mightyena::murkrow::pidgeot::pikachu::Persian::raticate::simipour::simisage::sawsbuck::swoobat::vanilluxe:

Stallbreaker/Taunt: :chimecho::emolga::frogadier::gastly::glalie::gourgeist::jumpluff::kricketune::krokorok::lopunny::murkrow::Persian::quilladin::servine::seviper::simipour::simisage::stunky::vanilluxe::volbeat::walrein::whiscash:


Wallbreaker:
  • Mixed: :heatmor::simipour::simisage:
  • Physical::banette::beartic::gigalith::krokorok::lairon::luxray::marshtomp::meditite::mienfoo::pignite::slaking::zweilous:
  • Special: :glaceon::illumise::lampent::magmar::mothim::noctowl::octillery::servine::simipour::vanilluxe::wigglytuff:
Defensive Roles:

Mixed Wall::bronzor::carbink::dusclops::gigalith::gloom::hippopotas::hypno::marshtomp::meganium::wartortle:

Physical Wall: :bronzor::carbink::corsola::dusclops::eelektrik::furfrou::gigalith::gourgeist:-L:graveler::grotle::hippopotas::lairon::luxray::magcargo::marshtomp::meganium::palpitoad::pancham::quilladin::sandshrew::shelgon::slowpoke::snubbull::solrock::trubbish::vibrava::wartortle::wigglytuff::wormadam-trash:

Special Wall: :bronzor::chimecho::chinchou::dunsparce::duosion::dusclops::dustox::foongus::gogoat::hypno::klang::lickitung::meganium::munchlax::noctowl::pignite::politoed::porygon::sliggoo::stunky::swalot::tentacool::wigglytuff::whiscash::wormadam-trash::zweilous:

Type-Checks:

Electric: :bellossom::chinchou::dragonair::emolga::gogoat::gourgeist::gloom::graveler::grotle::hippopotas::ivysaur::krokorok::luxray::marshtomp::meganium::palpitoad::sandshrew::seaking::servine::shelgon::sliggoo::vibrava::whiscash:

Grass: :beartic::beedrill::bronzor::butterfree::dragonair::dustox::emolga::fearow::gastly::girafarig::glaceon::glalie::gogoat::gourgeist::heatmor::honedge::illumise::ivysaur::jumpluff::klang::lampent::magmar::murkrow::noctowl::pidgeot::pignite::seviper::sliggoo::staravia::stunky::swalot::swoobat::trubbish::vanilluxe::whirlipede::wormadam-trash::zweilous:

Flying: :bronzor::carbink::corsola::dusclops::eelektrik::electabuzz::emolga::furfrou::gigalith::graveler::honedge::klang::lairon::luxray::magnemite::solrock:

Ice: :bronzor::chinchou::dusclops::heatmor::klang::lairon::lampent::lunatone::magcargo::magmar::meditite::mienfoo::munchlax::pignite::politoed::scraggy::seaking::tentacool::vanilluxe::walrein::wartortle::wormadam-trash:

Normal: :bronzor::carbink::corsola::dusclops::furfrou::gastly::gigalith::gourgeist::graveler::honedge::klang::lairon::lampent::magcargo::meditite::mienfoo::pignite::pupitar::quilladin::shelgon::solrock::wartortle::wormadam-trash:

Psychic: :bronzor::dusclops::honedge::hypno::illumise::klang::krokorok::lairon::lampent::mightyena::munchlax::murkrow::scraggy::sliggoo::stunky::wormadam-trash::zweilous:

Water: :bellossom::chinchou::dragonair::eelektrik::electabuzz::emolga::gogoat::gourgeist::ivysaur::jumpluff::luxray::maractus::meganium::palpitoad::pikachu::politoed::quilladin::sawsbuck::seaking::shelgon::simisage::sliggoo::tentacool::vanilluxe::walrein::wartortle::whiscash::zweilous:

Set-up Sweepers:

Belly Drum: :hypno::politoed:

Bulk Up/Curse: :gogoat::marshtomp::munchlax::pignite::scraggy::sliggoo::swalot:

Calm Mind: :carbink::chimecho::duosion::dusclops::golduck::gothitelle::lampent::lunatone::meowstic::meowstic-f::swoobat:

Dragon Dance: :dragonair::pupitar::scraggy::shelgon::whiscash:

Moxie: :krokorok::mightyena::scraggy:

Nasty Plot: :girafarig::hypno::persian::pikachu::simipour::simisage:

Shell Smash: :huntail::magcargo:

Swords Dance: :beartic::honedge::jumpluff::meganium::mienfoo::raticate::sawsbuck:

Work Up: :bibarel::pidgeot::simipour::simisage:

Other: :Seaking: (Agility) :dusclops: (Power-Up Punch):eelektrik:(Coil) :klang:(Shift Gear) :lairon: (Rock Polish) :servine: (Contrary)

Weather:

Setters:
  • Rain :emolga::golduck::lairon::lopunny::lunatone::meowstic::volbeat:
  • Sand :hippopotas:
  • Sun :bellossom::carbink::lopunny::meowstic::onix::solrock::volbeat::weepinbell::wigglytuff:
Abusers:
  • Rain :beartic::golduck::huntail::palpitoad::Seaking:
  • Sand :gigalith: :Drilbur:
  • Sun :bellossom::ivysaur::magmar::maractus::pignite::sawsbuck::weepinbell:
  • Differences between ORAS and S/V:
    • Abilities:
      • Dark-types are not immune to Prankster
      • Beartic, Gigalith, and Vanilluxe do not have their weather abilities from Generation VII
      • Inner Focus, Oblivious, Own Tempo, and Scrappy are not immune to Intimidate; Rattled is not triggered by Intimidate
      • Koffing only has Levitate
      • Moves affected by Normalize do not receive a 20% power boost
      • Protean will change your typing according to the move being chosen. This is not limited to your first non-STAB choice.
      • Soundproof Pokémon are immune to Heal Bell and their own sound moves
      • Terrain-inducing abilities do not exist
      • Weak Armor only boosts Speed by 1 stage
    • Ariados, Beartic, Chimecho, Corsola, Delcatty, Farfetch’d, Illumise, Lunatone, Masquerain, Magcargo, Noctowl, Solrock, and Volbeat do not have their updated stats from Generation VII
    • Mechanics:
      • Burn damage deals 1/8th of a Pokémon’s max HP at the end of the turn
      • The chance to hit yourself, while confused, is 50%
      • The chance to land a critical hit is 6.25% without modifiers
      • Paralysis reduces speed by 75%
      • Terastalization does not exist
    • Items:
      • Adrenaline Orb, Blunder Policy, Clear Amulet, Covert Cloak, Eject Pack, Heavy-Duty Boots, Loaded Dice, Protective Pads, Room Service, Terrain Extender and Seeds, Throat Spray and Utility Umbrella are not in ORAS
      • Pinch berries restore 1/8th of a Pokémon’s max HP when at 50% HP or less
    • Move changes, Move cuts, and Move pool differences:
      • Defog does not remove Terrain
      • Destiny Bond can be used consecutively
      • Electric and Grassy Terrain boost the power of Electric and Grass-type moves by 1.5x respectively; Psychic Terrain is not in ORAS
      • Healing Wish is triggered on the same turn used
      • Teleport is 0 priority and fails when used



Threat List. If you have any doubts as to what is in ORAS ZU, refer to this list. Note that certain NFEs and LC Pokémon that are totally unviable are not on the list.

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Welcome to BW ZU. The purpose of this is to have a place to discuss changes to the BW ZU Viability Rankings listed below, any meta trends you've experienced, Pokemon or cores you've been using, and/or any teams you might wish to share and get feedback on. We've made this because we want to bring more exposure to what we believe is an incredibly fun metagame.


To be played under the Gen 5 ZU format.

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S

S rank Pokemon are the best of the best and are usable in any team or structure. They define the metagame and no other Pokemon available can do what they do. They require no support to utilize and are capable of supporting teams extremely well. You are doing your opponent a favor by not using these Pokemon.


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A+

A+ ranked Pokemon are staples in the current metagame but their offensive/defensive presence is less notable than S rank Pokemon, yet one should consider them without hesitation when building. They are all capable in their own right, easy to use, and proficient in providing great support while requiring little to no support.

A

A Rank Pokemon are a less capable than A+ because they are either more limited in overall capabilities and roles or have exploitable flaws, but the team utility/function they provide can't be matched. They are all very capable offensively/defensively. A rank Pokemon may require support to work.

A-

A- rank Pokemon have glaring flaws but maintain unique capabilities that enable them to be large threats in the current meta, creating powerful offensive/defensive pairings. Pokemon in this rank will require support to be utilized properly.


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B+

B+ rank have a more specific function in the metagame that they are capable of fulfilling quite well. While they boast great capabilities, they require more support to work than A- rank Pokemon. These Pokemon are limited to specific roles/archetypes and/or require a lot of support to be utilized properly.

B

B rank Pokemon are far more limited in how they can be utilized, either fulfilling very specific roles, and requiring a lot of support to work well. Their success in their role is less of guarantee as well.

B-

B- rank Pokemon have obvious flaws with limited capabilities and are outclassed by higher ranked Pokemon. They fulfill very specific roles and are not easily put into a team. They are very hard to use and requires a LOT of team support.


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C

C rank Pokemon are viable, but you are probably better off trying another Pokémon than using these. They have unique niches and are usable on teams tailored to support them. C rank Pokemon can find success against certain match ups, but their success is not a guarantee.

S Rank
1. :Clefairy: Clefairy
2. :Persian: Persian
3. :Solrock: Solrock

S- Rank
4. :Grumpig: Grumpig
5. :Emolga: Emolga
6. :Muk: Muk

A+ Rank
7. :Leafeon: Leafeon
8. :Meganium: Meganium
9. :Simisear: Simisear
10. :Lairon: Lairon
11. :Arbok: Arbok
12. :Wormadam-Trash: Wormadam-T
13. :Mienfoo: Mienfoo

A Rank
14. :Walrein: Walrein
15. :Mr. Mime: Mr. Mime
16. :Frillish: Frillish
17. :Staryu: Staryu
18. :Kingler: Kingler
19. :Raichu: Raichu
20. :Glaceon: Glaceon

A- Rank
21. :Shelgon: Shelgon
22. :Whiscash: Whiscash
23. :Pawniard: Pawniard
24. :Pelipper: Pelipper
25. :Hippopotas: Hippopotas

B+ Rank
26. :Slaking: Slaking
27. :Pikachu: Pikachu
28. :Vullaby: Vullaby
29. :Ivysaur: Ivysaur
30. :Wormadam-Sandy: Wormadam-S

B Rank
31. :Vibrava: Vibrava
32. :Lopunny: Lopunny
33. :Munchlax: Munchlax
34. :Exploud: Exploud
35. :Luxray: Luxray
36. :Hypno: Hypno
37. :Graveler: Graveler
38. :Bibarel: Bibarel
39. :Beartic: Beartic

B- Rank
40. :Gloom: Gloom
41. :Lampent: Lampent
42. :Mothim: Mothim
43. :Budew: Budew
44. :Gastly: Gastly
45. :Octillery: Octillery
46. :Flareon: Flareon
47. :Leavanny: Leavanny
48. :Magmar: Magmar

C Rank
:Corsola: Corsola
:Cranidos: Cranidos
:Drilbur: Drilbur
:Eelektrik: Eelektrik
:Granbull: Granbull
:Heatmor: Heatmor
:Kecleon: Kecleon
:Koffing: Koffing
:Magcargo: Magcargo
:Magnemite: Magnemite
:Phione: Phione
:Pignite: Pignite
:Pineco: Pineco
:Porygon: Porygon
:Raticate: Raticate
:Sandshrew: Sandshrew
:Shelmet: Shelmet
:Unfezant: Unfezant
:Vanilluxe: Vanilluxe

S Rank
1. :Persian: Persian
2. :Solrock: Solrock
3. :clefairy: Clefairy

S- Rank
4. :meganium: Meganium
5. :muk: Muk
6. :emolga: Emolga

A+ Rank
7. :leafeon: Leafeon
8. :simisear: Simisear
9. :lairon: Lairon
10. :grumpig: Grumpig
11. :arbok: Arbok

A Rank
12. :mienfoo: Mienfoo
13. :frillish: Frillish
14. :walrein: Walrein
15. :wormadam-trash: Wormadam-T

A- Rank
16. :kingler: Kingler
17. :mr. mime:Mr. Mime
18. :shelgon: Shelgon
19. :staryu: Staryu
20. :pelipper: Pelipper
21. :raichu: Raichu
22. :pikachu: Pikachu
23. :slaking: Slaking

B+ Rank
24. :wormadam-sandy: Wormadam-S
25. :ivysaur: Ivysaur
26. :glaceon: Glaceon
27. :whiscash: Whiscash
28. :hippopotas: Hippopotas
29. :pawniard: Pawniard
30. :vullaby: Vullaby
31. :exploud: Exploud
32. :gastly: Gastly
33. :lopunny: Lopunny

B Rank
34. :abra: Abra
35. :gloom: Gloom
36. :munchlax: Munchlax
37. :vibrava: Vibrava
38. :flareon: Flareon
39. :graveler: Graveler
40. :lampent: Lampent

B- Rank
41. :bibarel: Bibarel
42. :leavanny: Leavanny
43. :luxray: Luxray
44. :magmar: Magmar
45. :mothim: Mothim
46. :octillery: Octillery
47. :raticate: Raticate
48. :beartic: Beartic

C+ Rank
49. :granbull: Granbull
50. :phione: Phione
51. :pineco: Pineco
52. :sandshrew: Sandshrew
53. :drilbur: Drilbur
54. :heatmor: Heatmor
55. :magcargo: Magcargo

C Rank
56. :magnemite: Magnemite
57. :pignite: Pignite
58. :seviper: Seviper
59. :cranidos: Cranidos
60. :eelektrik: Eelektrik
61. :porygon: Porygon
62. :shelmet: Shelmet
63. :corsola: Corsola
64. :kecleon: Kecleon
Damage calculator importable. (current as of 1/1/2022). Can be imported into the Pokemon Showdown! Damage Calculator for ease of calculating against BW ZU-relevant sets during battles without having to tweak entire movesets, natures, and EVs. Just copy and paste the sets into the Import/Export feature and calc away. All sets are prefixed with "BW ZU" so you can easily identify the relevant sets from the dropdown menu. Please note that this paste does not have move options (e.g. "Return / Double-Edge") because it will cause those moveslots to be blank when imported into the calculator. For comprehensive move options, please reference the respective pastes in the Viability Rankings above.
More niche or underexplored sets are separated by a slash

Hazards/Spinners
Stealth Rock:
:solrock: :clefairy: :lairon: :wormadam-trash: :wormadam-sandy: :hippopotas: :pawniard: :graveler: :bibarel: / :pineco: :sandshrew: :drilbur: :magcargo: :corsola:
Spikes: / :pineco: :shelmet:
Rapid Spin: :staryu: / :sandshrew: :drilbur: :pineco:

Clerics
Wish:
:clefairy: :leafeon: :shelgon: :flareon: :glaceon:
Heal Bell/Aromatherapy: :clefairy: :meganium: :leafeon: :grumpig: / :glaceon: :flareon: :granbull: :phione:
Healing Wish: :mr mime: :lopunny: / :clefairy:


Pivots
Offensive:
U-Turn: :persian: :emolga: :mienfoo: :pelipper: :lopunny: / :raticate: :phione:
Volt Switch: :emolga: :raichu: :pikachu: :luxray: / :magnemite:

Defensive:
U-Turn: :pelipper: :vullaby: :vibrava: / :phione: :eelektrik:
Volt Switch: / :eelektrik:

Phazers:
Roar: :lairon: :leafeon: :shelgon: :hippopotas: / :glaceon: :flareon: :luxray: :granbull:
Whirlwind: :hippopotas: :vullaby: :munchlax: :grumpig:
Dragon Tail: :meganium:

Weather:
Sun Setters: :persian: :solrock: :illumise:
Chlorophyll: :leafeon: :ivysaur: :gloom: / :leavanny:
Sun Wallbreakers: :simisear: :flareon: :magmar: / :heatmor: :pignite:
Rain Setters: :persian: :emolga: :phione: :illumise:
Swift Swim: :beartic: :seaking:
Rain Wallbreakers: :kingler: :pelipper: :octillery: :wailord:

Walls/Tanks:
Physical: :solrock: :clefairy: :leafeon: :lairon: :frillish: :wormadam-trash: :shelgon: :staryu: :pelipper: :wormadam-sandy: :ivysaur: :hippopotas: :vullaby: :gloom: :vibrava: :graveler: / :sandshrew: :drilbur: :magcargo: :pignite: :eelektrik: :shelmet:
Special: :clefairy: :meganium: :muk: :frillish: :wormadam-trash: :staryu: :gloom: :munchlax: :grumpig: / :flareon: :magcargo: :porygon: :kecleon:
Mixed: :frillish: :wormadam-trash: :staryu: :wormadam-sandy: :gloom: :munchlax: / :magcargo: :porygon:

Wallbreakers:
Physical: :muk: :leafeon: :lairon: :arbok: :kingler: :slaking: :pawniard: :exploud: :graveler: :luxray: :magmar: :octillery: :raticate: :beartic: / :granbull: :pignite: :cranidos:
Special: :simisear: :grumpig: :mr mime: :raichu: :pelipper: :walrein: :glaceon: / :exploud: :magmar: :octillery: :magnemite:
Mixed: :simisear: :pikachu: :flareon: / :heatmor:
Stallbreakers: :persian: :muk: :emolga: :grumpig: :arbok: :mienfoo: :frillish: :walrein: :gastly: :lampent: / :magmar: :seviper:
Choice Band: :arbok: :muk: :solrock: :slaking: :exploud: / :mienfoo: :granbull::kingler:
Choice Specs: :simisear: :mr. Mime: :raichu: :glaceon: :meganium: :octillery: / :grumpig: :gastly:

Setup Threats:
Swords Dance: :leafeon: :kingler: :pawniard: :meganium: :leavanny: / :raticate:
Calm Mind: :grumpig: / :lampent:
Agility/Rock Polish: :lairon: :kingler: :solrock: / :pelipper:
Nasty Plot: :simisear: :mr mime: :raichu: / :persian:
Bulk Up/Curse/Coil: :muk: :arbok: :munchlax: / :seviper:
Dragon Dance: :shelgon: :whiscash:
Quiver Dance: :mothim:
Work Up: :simisear:
Growth: :ivysaur: :gloom:

Speed Control:
Natural Speed: :persian: :emolga: :lopunny: :simisear:
Choice Scarf: :simisear: :arbok::grumpig: :mienfoo: :kingler: :mr mime: :slaking: :gastly: / :cranidos: :persian:

Priority
Fake Out: :persian: :lopunny:
Sucker Punch: :arbok: :slaking: :pawniard: :graveler: / :heatmor: :seviper:
Extreme Speed: :pikachu:
Mach Punch: :magmar:
Shadow Sneak: :muk:

Other
Magic Guard + Focus Sash::Abra:
Persian + Specs Glaceon Balance by btboy :persian: :glaceon: :staryu: :meganium: :solrock: :muk:
Double Water HO by Monai :Solrock: :Whiscash: :Kingler: :Persian: :Leafeon: :lairon:
Rock Spam Balance by Xrn :Solrock: :Meganium: :clefairy: :grumpig: :emolga: :lairon:
Vullaby Mixed Simisear Fat by JonAmon 25 :Munchlax: :Raichu: :simisear: :Staryu: :Solrock: :Vullaby:
Emolga + CB Mienfoo Balance by btboy :Emolga: :Mienfoo: :Clefairy: :Ivysaur: :Solrock: :abra:
Wormadam-T Double Water Balance by Monai :Persian: :Wormadam-Trash: :grumpig: :Pelipper: :Walrein: :Solrock:
SubPunch Muk + Scarf Grumpig Offense by OranBerryBlissey10 :muk: :shelgon: :staryu: :lairon: :emolga: :grumpig:


Note: these teams are still legal and viable, but are not optimized for the current meta.

Arbok VoltTurn by thebtboy :pikachu: :arbok: :lairon: :persian: :shelgon: :eelektrik:
Octillery + CB Lairon Offense by thebtboy :emolga: :octillery: :lairon: :wormadam-trash: :frillish: :simisear:
Taunt Spam Bulky Offense by thebtboy :lampent: :frillish: :emolga: :leafeon: :pawniard: :vanilluxe:
Water Spam Balance by thebtboy :kingler: :walrein: :gloom: :mienfoo: :munchlax: :solrock:
Dragonair Haz Stack Semi-Stall by Mirbro :emolga: :dragonair: :shelmet: :frillish: :solrock: :munchlax:
Normal Spam Balance by Mirbro :exploud: :emolga: :grumpig: :staryu: :persian: :wormadam-trash:
Pawniard + Pikachu Smurf HO by SBPC :drilbur: :pawniard: :munchlax: :walrein: :pikachu: :venipede:
Physical Hyper Offense by DnB :gastly::kingler::leafeon::flareon::drilbur::pawniard:
SD Leafeon + Scarf Exploud Balance by Mirbro :sandshrew: :emolga: :staryu: :leafeon: :frillish: :exploud:
Specs Exploud + Dragonair Bulky Offense by thebtboy :exploud: :dragonair: :lairon: :grumpig: :emolga: :persian:
Standard Sun by Tack :illumise: :magmar: :weepinbell: :leafeon: :onix: :lampent:
Superman Spike Stack by Louna :venipede: :abra: :fearow: :drilbur: :carnivine: :lampent:
List of Pokemon
BW ZU Validator
Banlist: PU (see validator), Articuno, Dragonair, Glalie, Machoke, Marowak, Regigigas, Trubbish, Whirlipede, Omanyte, Sleep Moves, Baton Pass
Dark and Ghost are resisted by Steel instead of neutral
Sleep turns reset to 0 upon switching out
Hidden Power has a max base power of 70, and the base power depends on the Pokemon's IVs
Several other moves had different base power, PP, or accuracy
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Artwork by Kolohe. Support his artwork here!

Tier Leader: Monai
Council: Gangsta Spongebob,JonAmon 25, Mirbro, btboy.
 
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Welcome to DPP ZU! The purpose of this is to have a place to discuss changes to the DPP ZU Viability Rankings listed below, any meta trends you've experienced, Pokemon or cores you've been using, and/or any teams you might wish to share and get feedback on. We've made this because we want to bring more exposure to what we believe is an incredibly fun metagame.

To be played under the Gen 4 ZU format. Baton Pass is limited in this tier. Users may pass Substitute and any stat changes from moves like Swords Dance, Iron Defense, and Agility, as well as omni-boosts from moves like Ancient Power, but may not pass any stats alongside Speed. This means that you cannot pass, for instance, a Dragon Dance boost. Furthermore, players may only have one Baton Pass user on each team.

In addition to the above restriction on Baton Pass, the following elements were deemed too overpowered or uncompetitive by the DPP ZU councilmembers and are therefore banned from use: Damp Rock, Electabuzz, Gorebyss, Kingler, Lapras, Marowak, Raichu, Rampardos, Walrein.

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:carnivine: DPP ZU Viability Rankings - Click the links for sample sets!
Viability Rankings are a method to sort and organize based on how viable, effective, and consistent a Pokemon is in the tier.
S Rank - These Pokémon are the best of the best. They require minimal support to function and should be prepared for on any serious team.

:Luxray: Luxray
:Persian: Persian

A Rank - Pokémon that are metagame staples. They easily fill their given roles in team building, but have a noticeable weakness to address.

High
:Carnivine:
Carnivine
:Probopass: Probopass
:phione: Phione
:Sableye: Sableye

Low
:Arbok: Arbok
:camerupt: Camerupt
:Crawdaunt: Crawdaunt
:lunatone: Lunatone
:mawile: Mawile
:Pelipper: Pelipper
:Raticate: Raticate
:Wailord: Wailord
:wormadam-trash: Wormadam-Trash

B Rank - Notably fare well, either in response to certain threats in the metagame or occupying a useful niche to distinguish itself. These tend to have a few roadblocks that can dampen their performance.

High
:Banette: Banette
:Chimecho: Chimecho
:dewgong: Dewgong
:diglett: Diglett
:Dunsparce: Dunsparce
:Girafarig: Girafarig
:gloom: Gloom
:Golbat: Golbat
:granbull: Granbull
:Grotle: Grotle
:grovyle: Grovyle
:Lairon: Lairon
:plusle: Plusle
:seadra: Seadra
:Stantler: Stantler
:whiscash: Whiscash

Low
:Beedrill: Beedrill
:Bibarel: Bibarel
:combusken: Combusken
:fearow: Fearow
:Gastly: Gastly
:huntail: Huntail
:ivysaur: Ivysaur
:Kecleon: Kecleon
:lopunny: Lopunny
:Omanyte: Omanyte
:Shelgon: Shelgon
:Swalot: Swalot
:vigoroth: Vigoroth
:wormadam-sandy: Wormadam-Sandy

C Rank - Generally mediocre in play. They tend to have a smaller niche that need more support to facilitate than higher tiered Pokémon.

High
:abra: Abra
:bronzor: Bronzor
:budew: Budew
:Butterfree: Butterfree
:exploud: Exploud
:Flareon: Flareon
:Marshtomp: Marshtomp
:Octillery: Octillery
:pidgeot: Pidgeot
:pupitar: Pupitar
:Slaking: Slaking
:Sudowoodo: Sudowoodo
:Wartortle: Wartortle
:vibrava: Vibrava

Low
:Chatot: Chatot
:Clamperl: Clamperl
:clefairy: Clefairy
:Corsola: Corsola
:cranidos: Cranidos
:dustox: Dustox
:lickitung: Lickitung
:mankey: Mankey
:Meditite: Meditite
:Mightyena: Mightyena
:minun: Minun
:noctowl: Noctowl
:Pikachu: Pikachu
:pineco: Pineco
:Porygon: Porygon
:quilava: Quilava
:Seviper: Seviper
:tentacool: Tentacool
:togetic: Togetic
:wigglytuff: Wigglytuff
:Yanma: Yanma

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:Probopass: DPP ZU Sample Teams
Sample teams are here to help new players jump right into the metagame.
Lead LO Banette + Raticate + Shed Shell HP Fire Probopass by skrimps
:banette::raticate::carnivine::probopass::wailord::arbok:

Lead EBelt Luxray + Sub 3-Attacks Phione + SD Pass Mawile + DD Whiscash by Drud
:luxray::mawile::whiscash::lunatone::phione::arbok:

Lead Bite Persian + SD LO Mawile + HP Fire SubSeed Grovyle by wooper, skrimps, and Drud
:persian::mawile::grovyle::camerupt::wailord::golbat:

Lead Shard Dewgong + NP Plusle by BeatsBlack
:dewgong::plusle::carnivine::camerupt::girafarig::arbok:

Lead Butterfree + SD Pass Mawile by Toy Time King
:butterfree::crawdaunt::seadra::camerupt::mawile::luxray:

Offensive Luxray by wooper
:luxray::whiscash::gloom::wormadam-trash::lunatone::persian:

Omanyte HO by beauts
:omanyte::luxray::grovyle::arbok::whiscash::lairon:

Scarf Arbok by Huargensy
:arbok::camerupt::grotle::mawile::lunatone::crawdaunt:

Specs Daunt by wooper
:persian::crawdaunt::gloom::probopass::vibrava::girafarig:

Subtox Wailord by wooper
:Persian::Wailord::Camerupt::Grovyle::Mawile::Golbat:

Arbok + Lunatone by wooper
:persian::arbok::lunatone::probopass::walrein::grotle:

Arbok Paraspam by Corthius
:arbok::probopass::crawdaunt::luxray::carnivine::walrein:

Baton Pass Mawile by Cigtar
:banette::kecleon::magmar::grovyle::mawile::lapras:

Butterfree Lead by beauts
:Butterfree::Marshtomp::Flareon::Gloom::Mawile::Lunatone:

CM Sableye + Toxic Spikes by Corthius
:walrein::probopass::sableye::beedrill::diglett::chimecho:

Crawdaunt Rain by Procrastinasian
:Lunatone::Crawdaunt::Lumineon::Huntail::Electabuzz::Persian:

Curse Lapras by wooper
:persian::lapras::carnivine::luxray::probopass::golbat:

DD Crawdaunt by wooper
:Camerupt::Crawdaunt::Golbat::Grotle::Wartortle::Electabuzz:

Diglett Baton Pass by beauts
:girafarig::golbat::mawile::camerupt::diglett::lapras:

Double Crab by wooper
:golbat::crawdaunt::kingler::grotle::probopass::luxray:

Hazards BO by Ho3nConfirm3d
:persian::beedrill::probopass::grovyle::wartortle::banette:

Maro Gore Buzz by Procrastinasian
:Bibarel::Electabuzz::Marowak::Gorebyss::Grovyle::Arbok:

Persian BO by Cigtar
:persian::lapras::grovyle::flareon::shelgon::lairon:

Persian + Diglett by skrimps
:persian::diglett::walrein::golbat::luxray::probopass:

Scarf Kingler + Lead Bat by Huargensy
:golbat::kingler::probopass::camerupt::walrein::banette:

SD Pass by skrimps
:walrein::camerupt::lunatone::gloom::kingler::mawile:

:yanma::raticate::diglett::lairon::politoed::fearow:
Pretty straight forward team. Pressure leads/normal checks with Yanma, Raticate breaks/u-turns into the appropriate mon, Diglett traps normal checks and electrics/sets up SR, Lairon checks normals/can potentially sweep with Rock Polish, Politoed stops rain/Kingler, and scarf Fearow revenges/stops sun/absorbs sleep.

:persian::exploud::chatot::swalot::tangela::solrock:
Another variant of normal spam but this time with a solid defensive core. Persian deters hazards and U-turns out into breakers while also chipping normal stops. Exploud decimates walls including normal stops and allows the other normals to more effectively clean. Scarf Chatot revenges for the team and appreciates the work Exploud puts in. Swalot is thw wincon of the team. Curse, RestTalk, Return lets it setup and win after ghosts and normal checks have been weakened or knocked out. Tangela checks kingler and normal stops while also throwing off strong attacks. Solrock is the teams normal/flying resist and rocker. It can catch mons of guard with endure + cutsap Boom/Rocks.

:persian::kingler::pupitar::pineco::stunky::dusclops:
A sturdier team than the rest. It revolves around detering hazards with lead Persian, setting your own hazards up with Pineco, and choosing a wincon. Kingler is the main sweeper, and it really appreciates having hazards up to pressure its checks. Kingler also serves as a SSI to physical waters. Pupitar provides the team with an offensive normal/electric stop while also being a potential wincon with DD. Stunky stops ghosts, and can effectively revenge kill with hazards. Skunk also gives Kingler and Pupitar an easier time setting up after it mementos. SpDef Dusclops finishes the team, making a great defensive backbone in combination with Pineco, while also spinblocking.

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:Lunatone: DPP ZU Role Compendium
A comprehensive list of roles of all potentially viable pokemon in the tier.
HAZARD/SPINNERS

  • Stealth Rock::probopass::camerupt::lunatone::wormadam-trash::diglett::dunsparce::grotle::lairon::bibarel::kecleon::omanyte::cranidos::marshtomp::pupitar::bronzor::clefairy::corsola::pineco::sudowoodo::wigglytuff:
  • Spikes::omanyte::budew::pineco:
  • Toxic Spikes::beedrill::omanyte::budew::pineco:
  • Rapid Spin::wartortle::pineco::staryu::tentacool:
  • Spin Blockers::banette::sableye::gastly:

CLERICS

  • Wish::girafarig::plusle::chimecho::flareon::togetic::clefairy::lickitung::minun::wigglytuff:
  • Heal Bell/Aromatherapy::phione::granbull::chimecho::flareon::lopunny::mightyena::togetic::clefairy::lickitung::wigglytuff:
  • Healing Wish::chimecho::lopunny::clefairy:

PIVOTS -- Offensive:

  • Offensive U-Turn::persian::phione::golbat::raticate::beedrill::fearow::pelipper::butterfree::pidgeot::chatot::mankey::yanma:
  • Defensive U-Turn::phione::golbat::beedrill::pelipper::dustox:
  • Baton Pass::mawile::girafarig::lunatone::combusken::huntail::flareon::lopunny::togetic:

PHAZERS

  • Roar::luxray::wailord::camerupt::granbull::lairon::stantler::mightyena::wartortle::vigoroth:
  • Whirlwind::golbat::fearow::pelipper::butterfree::dustox::pidgeot::togetic::noctowl:
  • Haze::arbok::golbat::octillery::seviper::gastly::tentacool:

WALLS/TANKS

  • Physical Walls::carnivine::luxray::mawile::probopass::wailord::golbat::wormadam-trash::dunsparce::gloom::granbull::grotle::lairon::chimecho::pelipper::wormadam-sandy::marshtomp::swalot::togetic::wartortle::bronzor::clefairy::corsola::lickitung::pineco::porygon::sudowoodo::wigglytuff:
  • Special Walls::carnivine::luxray::probopass::wailord::camerupt::wormadam-trash::dunsparce::gloom::granbull::grotle::beedrill::chimecho::kecleon::wormadam-sandy::budew::dustox::flareon::swalot::togetic::wartortle::corsola::bronzor::clefairy::lickitung::noctowl::porygon::tentacool::wigglytuff:
  • Mixed Walls::luxray::probopass::phione::wailord::whiscash::wormadam-trash::dewgong::dunsparce::grotle::bibarel::chimecho::wormadam-sandy::swalot::togetic::bronzor::lickitung::porygon::wigglytuff:

WALL BREAKERS

  • Physical Attackers::carnivine::mawile::raticate::whiscash::crawdaunt::diglett::granbull::lairon::stantler::beedrill::combusken::fearow::cranidos::flareon::mightyena::pidgeot::pikachu::pupitar::shelgon::slaking::vigoroth:
  • Special Attackers::luxray::phione::wailord::girafarig::crawdaunt::grovyle::plusle::seadra::chimecho::combusken::gastly::huntail::pelipper::abra::octillery::pikachu::chatot::clamperl::minun::porygon::quilava::yanma:
  • Mixed Attackers::luxray::banette::girafarig::grovyle::exploud::octillery::pidgeot::pikachu::seviper:
  • Stallbreakers::persian::mawile::banette::golbat::sableye::crawdaunt::granbull::gastly::lopunny::mightyena::vigoroth::chatot::seviper:
  • Choice Band::luxray::arbok::crawdaunt::diglett::vibrava::cranidos::flareon::pidgeot::slaking::mankey::meditite::sudowoodo:
  • Choice Specs::camerupt::crawdaunt::seadra::gastly::abra::octillery::quilava:
  • Expert Belt::luxray::phione::girafarig::grovyle::plusle::stantler::seadra::gastly::huntail::pelipper::abra::exploud::flareon::octillery::minun::seviper::staryu:

SETUP THREATS

  • Swords Dance::carnivine::mawile::raticate::crawdaunt::grotle::beedrill::combusken:
  • Calm Mind::girafarig::lunatone::sableye::dunsparce::chimecho::abra::bronzor::clefairy:
  • Agility/Rock Polish::probopass::camerupt::girafarig::lunatone::lairon::combusken::omanyte::pelipper::cranidos::lopunny::bronzor::noctowl::porygon::sudowoodo:
  • Nasty Plot::persian::plusle::pikachu::togetic::chatot::minun:
  • Bulk Up::granbull::slaking::vigoroth::mankey::meditite:
  • Dragon Dance::whiscash::pupitar::shelgon:
  • Curse::wailord::dunsparce::grotle::lairon::bibarel::flareon::marshtomp::swalot::togetic::lickitung::sudowoodo:
  • Crit-Me-Not::wailord::bibarel::lickitung:

SPEED CONTROL

  • Natural Speed::persian::golbat::raticate::diglett::grovyle::plusle::fearow::abra::lopunny::pidgeot::pikachu::slaking::vigoroth::chatot::minun::yanma:
  • Choice Scarf::luxray::phione::wailord::arbok::banette::lunatone::stantler::chimecho::fearow::gastly::vibrava::abra::butterfree::cranidos::flareon::pidgeot::slaking::vigoroth::chatot::mankey::meditite::quilava::seviper:

PRIORITY

  • Fake Out::persian::kecleon::lopunny::pikachu::wartortle:
  • Sucker Punch::mawile::banette::wormadam-trash::raticate::sableye::diglett::stantler::gastly::kecleon::wormadam-sandy::mightyena::vigoroth::seviper::sudowoodo:
  • Extreme Speed::pikachu:
  • Mach Punch:
  • Vacuum Wave::combusken:
  • Bullet Punch::meditite:
  • Shadow Sneak::sableye::gastly::kecleon:
  • Aqua Jet::wartortle:
  • Ice Shard::dewgong:

SETUP SUPPORT

  • Light Screen::girafarig::lunatone::grotle::stantler::chimecho::abra::togetic::bronzor::clefairy::corsola::staryu::wigglytuff:
  • Reflect::girafarig::lunatone::grotle::stantler::chimecho::abra::togetic::bronzor::clefairy::corsola::noctowl::staryu::wigglytuff:
  • Safeguard::lunatone::grotle::chimecho::abra::togetic::bronzor::clefairy::corsola::wigglytuff:
  • Memento::diglett:
  • Baton Pass::mawile::girafarig::lunatone::plusle::beedrill::huntail::flareon::lopunny::togetic::meditite::minun:

ITEM MANIPULATION

  • Knock Off::clefairy::tentacool:
  • Trick::girafarig::sableye::chimecho::kecleon::abra::bronzor::meditite::porygon:
  • Switcheroo::persian::arbok::lopunny::seviper:

SELF-KO

  • Explosion::probopass::wailord::camerupt::lunatone::swalot::corsola::pineco:
  • Self-Destruct::probopass::wailord::camerupt::lunatone::swalot::corsola::pineco:

WEATHER

  • Sun Setters::persian::probopass::girafarig::wormadam-trash::diglett::gloom::grovyle::lairon::stantler::chimecho::kecleon::vibrava::wormadam-sandy::abra::cranidos::lopunny::swalot::togetic::bronzor::clefairy::lickitung::sudowoodo::wigglytuff:
  • Chlorophyll::gloom:
  • Sun Wallbreakers::camerupt::combusken::flareon::quilava:


  • Rain Setters::persian::phione::girafarig::wormadam-trash::lairon::plusle::stantler::bibarel::chimecho::huntail::kecleon::wormadam-sandy::abra::lopunny::marshtomp::swalot::togetic::wartortle::minun::bronzor::clefairy::corsola::lickitung::staryu::tentacool::wigglytuff:
  • Swift Swim::huntail::omanyte:
  • Rain Wallbreakers::Luxray::phione::wailord::whiscash::crawdaunt::dewgong::plusle::seadra::pelipper::octillery::pikachu::clamperl::minun:

MISCELLANEOUS

  • Pursuit::arbok::banette::raticate::grovyle::fearow::cranidos::pidgeot::slaking::vigoroth::yanma:
  • Taunt::persian::mawile::probopass::banette::golbat::raticate::sableye::crawdaunt::granbull::bibarel::chimecho::gastly::lopunny::mightyena::pupitar::vigoroth::chatot::mankey::seviper:
  • Encore::dewgong::plusle::abra::lopunny::pikachu::slaking::swalot::togetic::vigoroth::chatot::clefairy::mankey:
  • Trapper::probopass::diglett::magnemite::nosepass:
  • Sleep::carnivine::gloom::budew::butterfree:

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:Persian:DPP ZU Speed Tiers
Speed Tiers consisting of all viable and niche Pokemon in DPP ZU.
Speed Tiers 2.0 by skrimps.

Very Important To-Know before playing Gen 4:
No team preview, lead is the first Pokemon in your party/teambuilder.
Status Move Changes: (IMPORTANT)
Defog cannot be used to clear your side's hazards, making it essentially useless. Rapid Spin is only form of removal.
Magic Coat does not reflect hazards, making it relatively useless.
Taunt lasts 3-5 turns.
Growth only raises SpA, not Atk.
Tail Glow raises two stages instead of three.
You can paralyze Electric types with any paralyzing move, but not Ground types except with Stun Spore.
You can put Grass types to sleep/paralysis with Powders and Spores.
Paralysis reduces your speed by 3/4 (1/2 now)
Burn does 1/8 hp per turn (1/16th now)
Confusion hits yourself 50% of the time (33% now)
Sleep lasts 1-4 turns.
Wish heals 50% flat HP.
Damage Changes:
Knock off's BP is 20, meaning it is utility based only. Items are usually not as crucial as later gens, so this move is usually not recommended.
Hidden Power has a max base power of 70, and the base power depends on the Pokemon's IVs.
Giga drain and Drain Punch (8 PP) have 60 power (16 PP, 75 BP now)
Multi-hit moves have lower power (Icicle Spear 10 BP, Bullet Seed 10 BP) (25 now), or lower accuracy (Rock Blast 80% Accuracy) (90% now)
Aura Sphere is 90 power (80 now), Blizzard/Fire Blast/Hydro Pump/Thunder is 120 power (110 now), Thunderbolt/Flamethrower/Ice Beam/Surf is 95 power (90 now)
Sucker Punch is 80 power (70 now)
High Jump Kick and Jump Kick had 100 and 85 power respectively (now 130 and 100)
Leech Life is 20 power, so it is basically unviable (80 now)
Crits do 2x damage (1.5x now), and have a 6.25% chance of occurance (4.167% now), Sniper does 3x damage, vs 2.25x now
Accuracy Changes:
Trapping moves (Fire spin, Whirlpool) have 70% accuracy (85% now)
Will-O-Wisp is 75% accuracy (85% now), Toxic is 85% accuracy (90% now), Thunder Wave is 100% accuracy (90% now)
Gunk Shot is 70% accuracy (80% now)
Glare is 75% accuracy (100% now)
Psywave is 80% accuracy (100% before it was removed in Gen 8)
Poison types can miss toxic.
Secondary Effect Changes:
Chatter has a 31% chance to confuse (100% now)
Rapid Spin does not increase speed.
Priority Changes:
Fake out and Extremespeed are only +1 Priority
Ability Changes:
Sturdy only stops OHKO moves.
Soundproof Pokémon are immune to Heal Bell
Typing Changes:
Dark and Ghost are resisted by Steel instead of neutral
Fairy-type does not exist; mono-Fairy types are normal, dual Fairy-types are their primary typing.

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Tier Leader: skrimps
Council: wooper, TTK, Drud, BeatsBlack
QC Team: TBD
Resources here are archived because while they are no longer relevant or up to date with the current metagame, we wanted to recognize and honor the work put into compiling them, as well as the preserving former iterations of the tier.

Speed Tiers by Procrastinasian
DPP Spreadsheet by Procrastinasian: Contains everything you need to know to play the metagame, including all legal Pokemon, Gen 4 Mechanics, updated Viability Rankings, Sample Teams, Speed Tiers, and a Role Compendium. The resources above are heavily referenced from this spreadsheet.
DPP ZU Validator by Procrastinasian: An easy-to-use tool to help make sure your Pokemon are valid for DPP ZU. To use, paste from the PS teambuilder.
 
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"Mama I'm a Criminal" - Badass Smoking Caterpillar
is a Site Content Manageris a Forum Moderatoris a Community Contributoris a Tiering Contributoris a Top Contributor
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Artwork by andrew_endres!
Welcome to ADV ZU! The purpose of this is to have a place to discuss changes to the ADV ZU Viability Rankings listed below, any meta trends you've experienced, Pokemon or cores you've been using, and/or any teams you might wish to share and get feedback on. We've made this because we want to bring more exposure to what we believe is an incredibly fun metagame. ADV ZU is in no way meant to overshadow the current metagame.

Baton Pass is limited to Dry Pass only in ADV ZU. You cannot use Baton Pass in conjunction with status moves that can pass a beneficial effect to any switch-in, including Substitute.

Given ADV PU's new VR, where every Pokemon that is B- or below is ZU, some of these resources might be outdated. Expect updates in the near future.
See here for the recent changes that came to ADV ZU!

ADV ZU Viability Rankings

Viability Rankings are a method to sort and organize based on how viable, effective and consistent a Pokemon is in the tier. S Rank is given to Pokemon who dictate the metagame, are very easy to fit on teams, and work on many playstyles; C Rank is for Pokemon who might have a small niche in the metagame and require significant amount of team support to achieve this goal.
The following Pokemon are banned, and therefore not legal in ADV ZU.
:aipom: Aipom
:corsola: Corsola
:lairon: Lairon
:poliwhirl: Poliwhirl
:shedinja: Shedinja
Swagger
Pokemon are ordered within their ranks alphabetically. The list does not include every legal Pokemon. Last updated February 26th, 2024.

S
:graveler: Graveler
:seaking: Seaking

A+
:flaaffy: Flaaffy
:ponyta: Ponyta
:porygon: Porygon

A
:anorith: Anorith
:gloom: Gloom
:koffing: Koffing
:noctowl: Noctowl
:quilava: Quilava
:wartortle: Wartortle

A-
:beedrill: Beedrill
:doduo: Doduo
:meditite: Meditite

B+
:ariados: Ariados
:castform: Castform
:clamperl: Clamperl
:pineco: Pineco
:tentacool: Tentacool
:volbeat: Volbeat

B
:butterfree: Butterfree
:delcatty: Delcatty
:drowzee: Drowzee
:lileep: Lileep
:magnemite: Magnemite
:spoink: Spoink
:staryu: Staryu
:wailmer: Wailmer
:weepinbell: Weepinbell

B-
:cubone: Cubone
:delibird: Delibird
:elekid: Elekid
:lombre: Lombre
:numel: Numel
:smoochum: Smoochum
:sunflora: Sunflora

C+
:croconaw: Croconaw
:exeggcute: Exeggcute
:farfetchd: Farfetch'd
:horsea: Horsea
:magby: Magby
:masquerain: Masquerain
:onix: Onix
:rhyhorn: Rhyhorn
:shuppet: Shuppet
:voltorb: Voltorb

C
:aron: Aron
:bayleef: Bayleef
:dratini: Dratini
:dustox: Dustox
:grimer: Grimer
:larvitar: Larvitar
:nosepass: Nosepass
:parasect: Parasect
The following role compendium is slightly outdated as a result of the recent unfreeze and shift from PU. An updated compendium will be released following the completion of ZU Olympiad II.

Cleric Support
Aromatherapy / Heal Bell :delcatty::parasect::snubbull:
Wish :bagon::clefairy::delcatty::exeggcute::farfetchd::illumise::kirlia::natu::spinda:

Disruption
Encore :bellsprout::cacnea::clefairy::illumise::machop::marill::skiploom::spinda::sunflora:
Haze :dratini::ekans::grimer::koffing::masquerain::natu::poliwag::seaking::squirtle:
Roar / Whirlwind:aron::bagon::butterfree::croconaw::dustox::growlithe::makuhita::masquerain::onix::pidgeotto::rhyhorn::snubbull::teddiursa:
Taunt :aipom::carvanha::grimer::kirlia::koffing::larvitar::mankey::meowth::nosepass::onix::shuppet::snubbull::spoink::teddiursa::voltorb:
Trick :spinda::spoink::zigzagoon:

Hazards + Removal
Rapid Spin :Baltoy::delibird::kabuto::pineco::sandshrew::shellder::squirtle::staryu::tyrogue:
Spikes :cacnea::pineco::snorunt:
Spin-blocking :shuppet:

Pivots + Momentum
Baton Pass (Dry Pass) :aipom::delcatty::farfetchd::illumise::ledian::natu::spinda:
Memento :grimer::kirlia::koffing:
Pursuit :aipom::ekans::larvitar::parasect::pidgeotto::taillow::treecko::wingull::zigzagoon:

Priority Users
ExtremeSpeed :zigzagoon:
Fake Out :makuhita::meowth::nuzleaf:
Mach Punch :Tyrogue:
Quick Attack :cyndaquil::delibird::elekid::farfetchd::illumise::masquerain::natu::nuzleaf::pidgeotto::taillow:

Setup Sweepers
Agility :aipom::carvanha::dratini::farfetchd::growlithe::horsea::luvdisc::masquerain::pidgeotto::seaking::swablu::taillow::treecko::wingull:
Belly Drum :charmander::clefairy::cubone::makuhita::marill::poliwag::slowpoke::zigzagoon:
Bulk Up :machop::makuhita::mankey::snubbull::teddiursa:
Calm Mind :clefairy::delcatty::kirlia::natu::psyduck::shuppet::slowpoke::spinda::spoink:
Curse :grimer:
Dragon Dance :bagon::charmander::dratini::larvitar:
Swords Dance :bayleef::bellsprout::cacnea::charmander::croconaw::cubone::farfetchd::ledian::nuzleaf::parasect::rhyhorn::sandshrew::sunflora::teddiursa:

Status Spreaders
GrassWhistle :cacnea::sunflora:
Hypnosis :exeggcute::kirlia::meowth::poliwag::psyduck::spinda:
Sleep Powder :butterfree::bellsprout::exeggcute::oddish::skiploom:
Sing :delcatty::clefairy::gulpin::kirlia::marill::meowth::snorunt::spinda:
Spore :parasect:
Stun Spore :butterfree::bellsprout::exeggcute::masquerain::oddish::parasect::skiploom:
Thunder Wave :aipom::castform::clefairy::chinchou::delcatty::dratini::elekid::illumise::kirlia::magnemite::mareep::natu::nosepass::shuppet::slowpoke::snubbull::staryu::voltorb:
Will-o-Wisp :kirlia::koffing::shuppet:

Wallbreakers
Choice Band:aipom::castform::delibird::pidgeotto::taillow:
Explosion / Self-Destruct :baltoy::geodude::grimer::koffing::nosepass::nuzleaf::onix::pineco::shellder::voltorb::wailmer:

Weather
Sunny Day :Aipom::baltoy::bayleef::butterfree::castform::delcatty::dustox::farfetchd::grimer::illumise::ledian::masquerain::nosepass::onix::parasect::sunflora:
Chlorophyll :bellsprout::exeggcute::nuzleaf::oddish::skiploom::sunflora:
Rain Dance :aipom::chinchou::butterfree::castform::clefairy::delcatty::delibird::elekid::grimer::horsea::illumise::kabuto::kirlia::koffing::lotad::luvdisc::magnemite::mankey::meowth::pidgeotto::poliwag::psyduck::seaking::voltorb:
Swift Swim :horsea::kabuto::lotad::luvdisc::seaking::surskit:
Forecast :castform:
Cloud Nine :psyduck:

Additional Resources
ADV Mechanics - credit to Slowbroth
ADV ZU Teambuilding Lab
Analysis Spreadsheet
Legal Pokemon
Speed Tiers
Tour Banlist

Tier Leader: Gangsta Spongebob
Council: BeatsBlack, BP, OranBerryBlissey10, wooper
QC Team: BeatsBlack, BP, Gangsta Spongebob

 
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Welcome to the GSC ZU resources post. If you're new to GSC, here are some specific mechanics from this generation.

Huge thanks to File 13 and the rest of the GSC Discord community for helping compile the resources below! (Holly, Charles A. Theist, Talloween, Akiko Kotone and others!). If you have any questions about the metagame, feel free to ask.
Bayleef Bellsprout Bulbasaur Butterfree Caterpie Charmander Chikorita Cleffa Croconaw Cyndaquil Diglett Ditto Doduo Dratini Ekans Goldeen Grimer Growlithe Hoothoot Hoppip Horsea Igglybuff Ivysaur Jigglypuff Kabuto Kakuna Koffing Krabby Larvitar Ledyba Machop Magby Magikarp Mankey Mareep Marill Meowth Metapod Natu Nidoran-F Nidoran-M Nidorina Nidorino Oddish Onix Paras Parasect Phanpy Pichu Pidgeotto Pidgey Rattata Remoraid Sandshrew Seel Sentret Shellder Skiploom Slugma Smoochum Snubbull Spearow Spinarak Squirtle Sunkern Swinub Teddiursa Tentacool Togepi Togetic Totodile Tyrogue Unown Venonat Vulpix Weedle Weepinbell Wobbuffet Wooper Yanma Zubat
Poliwag Quilava Wartortle
Phasing/Hazing
Haze - :doduo::dratini::ekans::goldeen::grimer::koffing::krabby::natu:
Roar - :croconaw::growlithe::onix::phanpy::snubbull::teddiursa:
Whirlwind - :butterfree::doduo::pidgeotto::yanma:

Setup
Agility - :doduo::goldeen::growlithe::horsea::ledyba::pidgeotto::spinarak:
Baton Pass - :ledyba::spinarak:
Barrier - :ledyba::magby::shellder::tentacool:
Curse - Everything in the game, with the exception of a few special cases, like Wobbuffet and the Viridian Forest worms/cocoons, for example
Meditate - :machop::mankey::smoochum:
Sharpen - :onix:
Swords Dance - :bayleef::goldeen::ivysaur::krabby::parasect::sandshrew::tentacool::weepinbell:

Sleep/Status
Confuse Ray - :magby::natu::tentacool:
Glare - :ekans:
Hypnosis - :meowth:
Leech Seed - :bayleef::ivysaur:
Lovely Kiss - :nidorina::nidorino::snubbull::weepinbell:
Nightmare - :Jigglypuff: :Meowth: :Natu: :Smoochum:
Sing - :Jigglypuff::smoochum:
Sleep Powder - :butterfree::ivysaur::weepinbell:
Spore - :parasect:
Stun Spore - :butterfree::parasect::weepinbell:
Thunder Wave - :dratini::mareep:

Weather
Rain Dance -
:croconaw:
:dratini:
:goldeen:
:horsea:
:kabuto:
:krabby:
:larvitar:
:mareep:
:nidorina:
:nidorino:
:seel:
:shellder:
:smoochum:
:snubbull:
:tentacool:
:togetic:

Sunny Day - :bayleef::butterfree::diglett::doduo::ekans::grimer::ivysaur::koffing::larvitar::ledyba::machop::magby::meowth::natu::nidorina::nidorino::onix::parasect::phanpy::pidgeotto::sandshrew::snubbull::spinarak::teddiursa::togetic: :weepinbell:

Other unique moves
Encore - :machop::phanpy::seel::togetic::weepinbell:
Explosion - :grimer::koffing::onix::shellder:
Heal Bell - :snubbull:
Light Screen - :bayleef::dratini::ivysaur::ledyba::mareep::parasect:
Mean Look - :grimer::smoochum:
Moonlight - :nidorina:
Morning Sun - :nidorino:
Perish Song - :seel::smoochum:
Quick Attack - :doduo::natu::pidgeotto::yanma:
Reflect - :bayleef::doduo::dratini::growlithe::ivysaur::kabuto::ledyba::mareep::nidorina::nidorino::parasect::shellder::snubbull::tentacool:
Super Fang -
:rattata:

Synthesis - :bayleef::ivysaur::parasect::weepinbell:
Thief - :diglett::doduo::ekans::grimer::kabuto::koffing::krabby::ledyba::magby::meowth::natu::nidorina::nidorino::parasect::sandshrew::smoochum::snubbull::spinarak::teddiursa::yanma:
Base 95 (max Speed 288) Yanma Diglett
Base 90 (max Speed 278) Meowth
Base 83 (max Speed 264) Magby
Base 80 (max Speed 258) Skiploom Magikarp
Base 75 (max Speed 248) Doduo
Base 72 (max Speed 242) Rattata
Base 71 (max Speed 240) Pidgeotto
Base 70 (max Speed 238) Butterfree Tentacool Mankey Natu Onix Spearow
Base 65 (max Speed 228) Nidorino Charmander Cyndaquil Remoraid Smoochum Vulpix
Base 63 (max Speed 224) Goldeen
Base 60 (max Speed 218) Bayleef Ivysaur Growlithe Horsea Pichu
Base 58 (max Speed 214) Croconaw
Base 56 (max Speed 210) Nidorina Pidgey
Base 55 (max Speed 208) Weepinbell Ekans Kabuto Ledyba Zubat
Base 50 (max Speed 198) Dratini Hoothoot Hoppip Krabby Nidoran-M Swinub Weedle
Base 48 (max Speed 194) Ditto Unown
Base 45 (max Speed 188) Bulbasaur Caterpie Chikorita Seel Venonat
Base 43 (max Speed 184) Squirtle Totodile
Base 41 (max Speed 180) Larvitar Nidoran-F
Base 40 (max Speed 178) Togetic Bellsprout Marill Phanpy Sandshrew Shellder Teddiursa
Base 35 (max Speed 168) Kakuna Koffing Machop Mareep Tyrogue
Base 33 (max Speed 164) Wobbuffet
Base 30 (max Speed 158) Parasect Metapod Oddish Snubbull Spinarak Sunkern
Base 25 (max Speed 148) Grimer Paras
Base 20 (max Speed 138) Jigglypuff Sentret Slugma Togepi
Base 15 (max Speed 128) Cleffa Igglybuff Wooper
S
:croconaw: Croconaw
:magby: Magby

S-
:Smoochum:
Smoochum
:togetic: Togetic

A+
:Bayleef:
Bayleef
:weepinbell: Weepinbell

A
:Diglett:
Diglett
:grimer:
Grimer
:Koffing:
Koffing
:Tentacool:
Tentacool

A-
:butterfree:
Butterfree
:Doduo:
Doduo
:Dratini:
Dratini
:Meowth: Meowth
:Nidorino: Nidorino
:Onix: Onix

B+
:growlithe: Growlithe
:Mareep:
Mareep
:Sandshrew: Sandshrew

B
:Ivysaur:
Ivysaur
:Natu:
Natu
:Nidorina: Nidorina
:Parasect: Parasect
:teddiursa: Teddiursa

B-
:ledyba: Ledyba
:snubbull: Snubbull
:yanma: Yanma

C+
:goldeen:
Goldeen
:Kabuto: Kabuto
:Mankey: Mankey

C
:larvitar:
Larvitar
:Phanpy: Phanpy
:Pidgeotto: Pidgeotto
:seel: Seel
:spinarak: Spinarak

C-
:horsea: Horsea
:krabby:
Krabby
:Machop:
Machop
:rattata:
Rattata
:shellder: Shellder
Use this command on Pokémon Showdown! to challenge someone to a game of GSC ZU!

/challenge gen2nu @@@ -Xatu, -Weezing, -Primeape, -Dewgong, -Pineco, -Chinchou, -Ninetales, -Kingler, -Hitmonlee, -Dugtrio, -Sudowoodo, -Rapidash, -Magnemite, -Octillery, -Stantler, -Wigglytuff, -Fearow, -Magmar, -Flareon, -Lickitung, -Azumarill, -Gloom, -Dunsparce, -Farfetch'd, -Arbok, -Porygon, -Shuckle, -Graveler, -Exeggcute, -Pupitar, -Persian, -Pidgeot, -Ledian, -Raticate, -Houndour, -Dragonair, -Hitmonchan, -Sneasel, -Furret, -Seadra, -Murkrow, -Venomoth, -Poliwhirl, -Drowzee, -Elekid, -Magcargo, -Tangela, -Abra, -Cubone, -Seaking, -Voltorb, -Aipom, -Machoke, -Flaaffy, -Clefairy, -Rhyhorn, -Omanyte, -Gastly, -Noctowl, -Sunflora, -Hitmontop, -Delibird, -Beedrill, -Charmeleon, -Golbat, -Eevee, -Ariados, -Geodude, -Corsola, -Slowpoke, -Psyduck, -Ponyta, -Mantine, -Staryu, -Poliwag, -Quilava, -Wartortle

Also it is worth checking the GSC ZU Moveset Guide made by File 13 that shows moveset ideas for most Pokémon in the VR. Have fun building!
 
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Welcome to the RBY ZU resources post! If you're unfamiliar with RBY mechanics, then I highly recommend checking out this article written by May to get a better understanding. The Pokémon listed in the VR and Useful Moves tabs are organized alphabetically. Feel free to discuss the metagame, share teams, or ask any questions that you may have! Resources will be updated accordingly as soon as possible.


tbd
Always looking for more!
Paralysis

Glare - :arbok:
Stun Spore - :butterfree: :parasect: :weepinbell:
Thunder Wave - :abra: :clefairy: :dratini: :magneton: :pikachu: :slowpoke: :voltorb:

Sleep

Hypnosis - :poliwag:
Sing - :clefairy:
Sleep Powder - :butterfree: :ivysaur: :weepinbell:
Spore - :parasect:

Partial Trapping

Bind - :onix:
Clamp - :shellder:
Fire Spin - :charmeleon: :flareon: :ponyta:
Wrap - :arbok: :dratini: :lickitung: :tentacool: :weepinbell:

Other Specific Moves

Agility - :beedrill: :Dratini: :Farfetchd: :horsea: :Hitmonchan: :Pidgeot: :Ponyta:
Amnesia - :psyduck: :poliwag: :slowpoke:
Confuse Ray - :golbat:
Counter - :abra: :Charmeleon: :clefairy: :Hitmonchan: :hitmonlee: :lickitung: :machoke: :marowak: :primeape: :Wartortle:
Explosion - :shellder: :muk: :onix: :weezing: :voltorb:
Meditate - :hitmonlee:
Swords Dance - :beedrill: :Farfetchd: :lickitung: :Parasect: :sandslash: :Weepinbell:
:Arcanine: Arcanine

Other Resources
Generation 1 has mechanics vastly different than any other and the following article covers them in-depth.
RBY Mechanics Guide - Smogon University
Abra Arbok Beedrill Bellsprout Bulbasaur Butterfree Caterpie Charmander Charmeleon Clefairy Cubone Diglett Ditto Doduo Dratini Eevee Ekans Farfetch'd Flareon Geodude Gloom Golbat Goldeen Grimer Growlithe Hitmonchan Hitmonlee Horsea Ivysaur Jigglypuff Kabuto Kakuna Koffing Krabby Lickitung Machoke Machop Magikarp Magnemite Magneton Mankey Marowak Meowth Metapod Muk Nidoran-F Nidoran-M Nidorina Nidorino Oddish Onix Paras Parasect Pidgeot Pidgeotto Pidgey Pikachu Poliwag Ponyta Primeape Psyduck Rattata Rhyhorn Sandshrew Sandslash Seel Shellder Slowpoke Spearow Squirtle Tentacool Venonat Voltorb Vulpix Wartortle Weedle Weepinbell Weezing Zubat
Message someone with the command below to challenge them to RBY ZU

/challenge gen1pu @@@ -Nidoqueen, -Arcanine, -Rapidash, -Seaking, -Fearow, -Staryu, -Omanyte, -Machamp, -Drowzee, -Pinsir, -Graveler, -Dragonair, -Gastly, -Electrode, -Scyther, -Vileplume, -Magmar

S

:arbok: Arbok
:flareon: Flareon
:gastly: Gastly
:onix: Onix

High

:diglett: Diglett
:kabuto: Kabuto
:marowak: Marowak
:pidgeot: Pidgeot
:primeape: Primeape
:scyther: Scyther

Mid

:butterfree: Butterfree
:machoke: Machoke
:Magneton: Magneton
:muk: Muk
:parasect: Parasect
:pikachu: Pikachu
:tentacool: Tentacool
:weepinbell: Weepinbell

Low

:charmeleon: Charmeleon
:clefairy: Clefairy
:dratini: Dratini
:golbat: Golbat
:hitmonlee: Hitmonlee
:lickitung: Lickitung
:meowth: Meowth
:ponyta: Ponyta
:Rhyhorn: Rhyhorn
:wartortle: Wartortle
:weezing: Weezing
Top

:pidgeot: Pidgeot
:primeape: Primeape
:sandslash: Sandslash

High

:abra: Abra
:arbok: Arbok
:parasect: Parasect
:slowpoke: Slowpoke
:weezing: Weezing

Mid

:butterfree: Butterfree
:flareon: Flareon
:hitmonlee: Hitmonlee
:muk: Muk
:poliwag: Poliwag

Low

:charmeleon: Charmeleon
:diglett: Diglett
:horsea: Horsea
:kabuto: Kabuto
:lickitung: Lickitung
:machoke: Machoke
:Magneton: Magneton
:marowak: Marowak
:onix: Onix
:pikachu: Pikachu
:ponyta: Ponyta
:Rhyhorn: Rhyhorn
:tentacool: Tentacool
:weepinbell: Weepinbell
Poliwag Balance by GetSleidSun - :poliwag::vileplume::kabuto::marowak::magmar::electrode:
Fast Physical Offense by royzin :arbok::flareon::gastly::primeape::hitmonlee::scyther:
Diglett + Pidgeot Offense by royzin :arbok::pidgeot::gastly::flareon::primeape::diglett:
Scyther Offense by BeatsBlack :gastly::scyther::onix::primeape::flareon::arbok:
Double Ground by BeatsBlack :diglett::gastly::onix::pidgeot::flareon::arbok:
Marowak Paraspam by BeatsBlack :butterfree::marowak::kabuto::primeape::flareon::arbok:
Double Fighting Paraspam by BeatsBlack :primeape::hitmonlee::kabuto::pikachu::parasect::arbok:
August 4, 2022 - Alpha-alpha ZU created
January 25, 2023 - First Shift [Rises: Gastly Drops: Arcanine, Electrode, Magmar, Poliwag, Sandslash, Slowpoke, Vileplume]
March 4, 2023 - Voting Slate 1 [Banned: Arcanine, Sandslash]
April 9, 2023 - NU VR Update places Electrode at B-, thus making Electrode a NU Pokémon [Rises: Electrode]
December 11, 2023 - PU VR Update places Scyther, Magmar, and Vileplume in B1, thus making all of them PU Pokémon. In addition, Abra was ranked lower than the cutoff and has subsequently fallen to ZU. Sandslash was unbanned in response to the new shifts to further test. [Rises: Magmar, Scyther, Vileplume Drops: Abra Unbanned: Sandslash]
 
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I know the dpp zu vr isn't the best atm. but I want to know why dustox is C? is it just a mediocre special wall with recovery or something? and what about vespiquen?
Dustox makes use of its good support movepool, useful typing, and reliable recovery to function as a decent special wall. Vespiqueen is actually very bulky and makes as a decent Defend Order + Heal Order setup user that can be very difficult to break through. It requires a large amount of support though.
Also ı want so say what makes clef A ranked in Gen 4 ZU.when ı see clef it is used mostly for cm but it wasn t even that great considering it s bulk is mediocre without evio boost takes huge chunk of damage from something like hydro pump. (ı even used rocks and it was underwhelming?)[note that Sorry If I sounded rude.I am not hating clef nor ı want bash this mon hard but from replays and my experience it was mostly mediocre]
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen4nu-840440715
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen4pu-840359157
Great post! Clefairy could definitely be considered for a drop but its high usage in the games being played and overall ability to dominate stall makes it very useful. I however agree that its bulk is kind of disappointing.

In the future, try to refrain from asking "why did this move up/down" or "why is this pokemon here". This is a discussion thread and posts like this don't add to the discussion. If you disagree about X Pokemon's placement, nominate it to move up/down. This encourages discussion and is overall more beneficial to creating an accurate representation of the metagame!
 
Oras ZU drop : Magmar A- to B / B-


Let's talk about Magma, the mon' that everyone has forgotten since Maganon appeared.
At first sight Magmar seems to have some good points for a ZU mon'. Good offense stats but maybe not enough? , a correct speed for the tier and a movepool whose could be good
-if it did not have as much of water type.


Some explanations :
Currently I found 2 viable sets,


Belly Drum set :
Magmar @ Sitrus Berry / Eviolite
Ability: Vital Spirit
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Fire Punch
- Mach Punch
- Belly Drum
- Thunder Punch


In the first set we try to set up Magmar to give it a good offensive presence and fill its lack of attack.
And here comes this first problem of Magmar in ZU. Its fire type is really annoying (defensively) for a Mon who need to set up ;
-25% on Stealth Rock
Weak to a big part of the meta
In addition to his speed which is not enough for a Sweeper.
It means that you will have to use 1 or 2 mons to cover Magmar and makes it good. (sticky web/sleep power users)

Eviolite set
Magmar @ Eviolite
Ability: Vital Spirit
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk / 30 SpA
- Fire Blast
- Focus Blast
- Hidden Power [Grass]
- Psychic

In this second set we use the special attack of Magmar and the Eviolite to make Magmar more resistant.

This set has the advantage of being able to hit most part of the tier, except ; bulky water mon or faster mon' who can kill Magmar.
Like for the first set you will have to use a sticky user to fill the lack of speed of Magmar which can be really annoying du to the reliable number of pokémon whose learn sticky web.
Also I think Heatmor would be better as special attacker, then it also has a big lack of speed.


Finally, Magmar is still a good mon' but lacks speed and attack. (and also charism)

If some parts of my post are not really clear or you want that I explain better some points make it know.
 
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A good point you brought there. Magmar is quite good, with great special stats and a considerable physical attack that, if running BD, makes it a great sweeper. Its speed is not bad at all reaching the 90ish that many Pokémon would like to have.

But what it makes a Pokémon really good it is not only itself but the metagame. If we take a deeper look in the tier Magmar has a great advantage. Fire type Pokémon are practically absent. Moreover, there are a lot of Pokémon that are weak to any seat of Magmar (like Gourgeist) in the A and S rankings. Just to mention some: it gets a 3HKO but it can do a 2HKO with some good rolls against Buzz, it can deal great damage to Simipour if it is switching in, OHKO to Simisear. For A ranking, it can deal great damage again or completely deal with many of the Pokémon out there. Only some like Gigalith, Heatmor ... can tank some hits but due to the high coverage of Magmar's set (the special one I am focusing on), and regarding some lures, it can claim a kill to any of its counters.

Simisage + Simipour are awesome Pokémon in S tier. No Simisear there makes a great hole that Magmar has tried to occupy although with less speed and less overall functionality.

I think A- is a great position for Magmar due to having a niche set (BD) and a great set like the Evio/LO more BO oriented. This patch up the hole that was left due to Simisear vanishing.

I hope we can discuss it if you really feel it needs a drop :).
 
Been playing DPP ZU a bit more as of late and wanted to do a few things:

1) Nomating Stunky for C+ rank

In a tier where two of the six best mons are ghost types, a solid pursuit trapper is needed. Stunky fills that role with ease thanks to its dark typing and its access to the move. Stunky also offers other niches besides just trapping: it resists both of Gastly's stab and can garuntee the kill, it outspeeds and can taunt both lead Onix and Solrock, it has access to STAB priority in Sucker Punch, and it can absorb the rare Toxic Spike. While its held back by its speed, low attack, and subpar bulk stunky still can play a vital role in helping your team secure the W.

Stunky @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Aftermath
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant / Jolly Nature
- Crunch
- Pursuit
- Sucker Punch
- Memento / Explosion

Stunky @ Lum Berry / Shuca Berry / Focus Sash
Ability: Aftermath
EVs: 32 HP / 252 Atk / 224 Spe
Jolly / Hasty Nature
- Crunch
- Sucker Punch
- Pursuit
- Memento / Taunt / Explosion / Hidden Power Grass / Toxic / Sludge Bomb

2) Posting a few samples
Not too many ppl play the tier and I'd like to make it a more accessible by posting these. Not Gonna go too far in depth cause these teams are rly simple.

https://pokepast.es/b8a5e8c3541f7412Pretty straight forward team. Pressure leads/normal checks with Yanma, Raticate breaks/u-turns into the appropriate mon, Diglett traps normal checks and electrics/sets up SR, Lairon checks normals/can potentially sweep with Rock Polish, Politoed stops rain/Kingler, and scarf Fearow revenges/stops sun/absorbs sleep.


https://pokepast.es/dbc0753d441ff5d0A sturdier team than the rest. It revovles around detering hazards with lead Persian, setting your own hazards up with Pineco, and choosing a wincon. Kingler is the main sweeper, and it really appreciates having hazards up to pressure its checks. Kingler also serves as a SSI to physical waters. Pupitar provides the team with an offensive normal/electric stop while also being a potential wincon with DD. Stunky stops ghosts, and can effectively revenge kill with hazards. Skunk also gives Kingler and Pupitar an easier time setting up after it mementos. SpDef Dusclops finishes the team, making a great defensive backbone in combination with Pineco, while also spinblocking.


https://pokepast.es/a04f52a09a793df8Another variant of normal spam but this time with a solid defensive core. Persian deters hazards and U-turns out into breakers while also chipping normal stops. Exploud decimates walls including normal stops and allows the other normals to more effectively clean. Scarf Chatot revenges for the team and appreciates the work Exploud puts in. Swalot is thw wincon of the team. Curse, RestTalk, Return lets it setup and win after ghosts and normal checks have been weakened or knocked out. Tangela checks kingler and normal stops while also throwing off strong attacks. Solrock is the teams normal/flying resist and rocker. It can catch mons of gaurd with endure + cutsap Boom/Rocks.

https://pokepast.es/3e2d7f82d47d9bfbSome ez cheese takes the last slot. Just antilead with Persian, U-turn into Diglett, Stunky, or a sweeper and click the appropriate move. Diglett traps as usual and sets up SR. Stunky traps ghosts and mementos for the team. Combusken can blow throw teams at +2 spe with its fully special set. Tangela disrupts balance with its sun set while also outrunning many offensive mons. Kinler Agilitys and kills anything not named Quagsire. Last but not least RP Solrock stops normals, lures Waters for Kingler and sweeps after teams are chipped.
 
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ADV ZU Tier Shift + VR Changes
The latest ADV ZU shift has occured. Enjoy the follow Viability Ranking changes and please welcome ADV ZU's newest addition, Castform, which has just dropped and will be currently placed at B. A sample set for Castform will hopefully be coming around next week. In the meantime, feel free to discuss the ADV ZU metagame and the addition of Castform.

VR Changes:
Bagon B --> C
Marill B --> C
Magnemite C --> B
Poliwag C --> B
Ledian D --> C
Voltorb D --> C
Castform New --> B

Bagon, while a solid Dragon Dance user, can be hard to set up with due to its pitiful bulk and the prevalence of Ice-type coverage from Pokemon such as Delibird, Delcatty, and Staryu. Marill hits like a truck, but isn't particularly fast or bulky enough to stand out from the plethora of other great Choice Band wallbreakers such as Delibird and Meditite. Magnemite has arisen as a decent Phys Def Gloom check an Flying switch-in, among other things, due to the numerous type resistances it brings, although still gets bopped by HP Ground coverage. Poliwag, while initially ranked lower for its reliance on the inaccurate Hypnosis, stands out for being one of the fastest Pokemon in the metagame. If it lands Hypnosis and gets the Belly Drum off, it can steamroll over teams lacking priority options in the back or one of the few Pokemon faster than Poliwag. Ledian has arose as one of the best screen setters for HO and has enough Special Defense to do so reliably. Voltorb has seen a lot of use lately for being the fastest Pokemon in all of ADV ZU and has proven to be an effective lead, even seeing use on 2/3 of our current sample teams. Lastly, Castform is initially ranked at B for its solid 70/70/70/70/70/70 stats and wide offensive movepool consisting of option such as Thunderbolt, Ice Beam, Double-Edge, and Shadow Ball. However, it faces a lot of competition from Delcatty in particular due to its access to Wish and Calm Mind.

Points of Discussion:
Lileep B --> C
Wailmer B --> C
Croconaw C --> D
Onix C --> D
Spinda D --> UR
Any other nominations you might have...
 

Just wanted to gab about ADV ZU's newest addition, Castform. At first glance I really thought this thing was going to be a gimmicky piece of garbage that would never be able to solidify itself a niche in the tier, but after looking at its stats I noticed it has one of the highest Atk/Spatk stats of any normal type in the tier. So, I decided to make a few potential sets, and a fun team around it.

Castform @ Choice Band
Ability: Forecast
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
Hasty Nature
- Double-Edge
- Hidden Power [Ground] / Hidden Power [Fighting]
- Water Pulse / Ice Beam
- Body Slam / Shadow Ball / Sleep Talk / Toxic

Thanks to Castform's solid base 70 Atk stat and its access to Double Edge its able to OHKO or 2HKO the majority of the tier. Castform's excellent movepool also allows it decimate any normal resists that plan to check it. Hidden Power Ground/Fighting do a ton of damage to normal checks like Magnemite, Nosepass, and Lileep. Water Pulse / Ice Beam either OHKO or 2HKO offensively threatening normal checks like Rhyhorn and Onix. The last slot comes down to preference: Body Slam provides decently strong STAB and a chance to paralyze foes, Shadow Ball gives perfect coverage with HP Fighting and can just be a nice move to throw out at times, Sleep Talk gives Castform the ability to absorb sleep and pressure weather sweepers with its fluid typing, and toxic is nice if you aim to predict and status your checks on the switch.

Castform @ Leftovers / Lum Berry
Ability: Forecast
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Thunderbolt / Hidden Power [Grass]
- Flamethrower / Hidden Power [Grass]
- Ice Beam
- Thunder Wave / Substitute / Toxic

Basically a poor man's Delcatty. Castform has the niche of having Flamethrower and a slightly higher special attack, and that's worth noting. Thunderbolt, Ice Beam, and Flamethrower hit every mon in the tier, bar Chinchou for, for neutral damage. Hidden Power Grass is a nice coverage option to hit Chinchou for solid damage. Thunder Wave, Substitute, and Toxic give Castform extra utility whenever attacking isn't enough. Lum Berry can be ran over Leftovers to avoid status.




https://pokepast.es/83a761cdd61ccdaf

Just a really simple team to use. Try to either break with Castform early game or pivot in later on to secure kills. Chinchou can spam T-Wave for sweepers and Castform while breaking on its own. Pineco provides the sweepers and breakers with spikes, which in turn secures KOs for the team. Bayleef soaks up special attacks and can set up screens to support the team. Rhyhorn provides a check to normal types and a potential setup sweeper. Natu is the main sweeper of the team and it really appreciates the support other members give.
 
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I've been playing dpp for awhile now and I wanted to do a few things.

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Dusclops: High A > S

Dusclops is an insanely polarizing force in DPP ZU as arguably the best defensive mon in the entire tier, with it's absolutely ridiculous RestTalk set, being able to wall off entire teams cleanly, while threatening physical checks and pursuit trappers with a nasty burn off it's Will-O-Wisp. Through my personal experiences of playing with this mon, it's power is unmistakably tier shaping, sometimes even pushing players to designate multiple checks to take it down. To top it off, it's amazing statpool and secondary set make it splashable as all hell, letting it fit into a mass majority of playstyles to do it's job of being the fattest thing in the tier.



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Quagsire: High A > S
As well as rising Dusclops to a new S rank, I add that we should rise Quagsire as well. While not the polarizing harbinger of stall that Dusclops is, Quagsire is also immensely splashable between it's curse sweeper and defensive sets, being able to fit into a strong selection of teams and capitalize on its astounding Water/Ground typing both offensively and defensively.



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Yanma: Mid B > Low A
Yanma should rise in my opinion due to how well it cleans teams up late game, and sometimes even mid game if it gets in as well as it does. It requires a good spin support to remove rocks, but once those are gone, this mon struts its stuff with a very powerful 2 STABs + Giga Drain set. Not much more to say here, just a very strong wallbreaker.


A Sample Team: FWG Semistall
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Lairon @ Leftovers
Ability: Rock Head
EVs: 252 HP / 112 Atk / 144 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Head Smash
- Earthquake
- Iron Head

Quagsire @ Leftovers
Ability: Water Absorb
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Careful Nature
- Earthquake
- Waterfall
- Recover
- Curse

Tangela @ Leftovers
Ability: Chlorophyll
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpA
Bold Nature
IVs: 2 Atk / 30 SpA / 30 Spe
- Giga Drain
- Sleep Powder
- Synthesis
- Hidden Power [Fire]

Flareon @ Leftovers
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 252 HP / 80 Def / 176 SpD
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Wish
- Protect
- Lava Plume
- Toxic

Dusclops @ Leftovers
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Bold Nature
- Will-O-Wisp
- Seismic Toss
- Rest
- Sleep Talk

Wartortle @ Leftovers
Ability: Torrent
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Def / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Rapid Spin
- Foresight
- Surf
- Toxic

Lairon makes an amazing lead for the team, being able to set rocks as well as threaten Solrock, one of the most common rockers used currently. Head Smash and Earthquake are an amazing move combination that allows Lairon to be an offensive threat while it's on field, while it's typing let's it serve as a normal check. The FWG core is pretty standard for the most part, Tangela to check enemy quagsire and sleep things that want to switch in on it. HP Fire let's it effectively remove Mawile and enemy Tangela. Flareon is surprisingly bulky and can take an astonishing amount of hits on the special side while pressuring physical attackers with potenial burn and stallbreaking with toxic, with protect letting it serve as a Slaking check. Wartortle removes rocks, Quagsire is a wincon, and Dusclops sits on whatever it wishes to come in on, with pressure allowing it to pp stall if the need ever arises.
 
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Alright, to build off of what SBPC said, I'm gonna put out a hot take:

Dusclops is unhealthy for DPP ZU and should be suspect tested.

This thing can soak hits for days from most of the tier, and that's just considering standard sets. Mons that would be otherwise really good like Yanma just struggle to break A- because of this monster blocking their path. On top of this, even if you're running offense, you can run it to counter Persian, an otherwise huge threat to offense, simply because it's so splashable. It can also check mons such as Banded Granbull or Banded mightyena with stuff like Colbur to soak a hit and burn them, or run CM Resttalk to set up on mons like Yanma or Tangela. Finally, not a single mon listed on the VR can OHKO it without set up or an otherwise undesirable set like Specs Gastly.
Here are some examples of how insanely bulky this thing is:

252+ SpA Yanma Shadow Ball vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Dusclops: 106-126 (37.3 - 44.3%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
252 Atk Choice Band Pidgeot Brave Bird vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Dusclops: 127-151 (44.7 - 53.1%) -- 0.4% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
252 Atk Mightyena Crunch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Dusclops: 122-146 (42.9 - 51.4%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
252+ Atk Choice Band Mightyena Crunch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Colbur Berry Dusclops: 102-120 (35.9 - 42.2%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Granbull Crunch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Colbur Berry Dusclops: 82-97 (28.8 - 34.1%) -- 2.9% chance to 3HKO
252 SpA Life Orb Gastly Shadow Ball vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Dusclops: 224-266 (78.8 - 93.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 SpA Life Orb Houndour Dark Pulse vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Dusclops: 198-234 (69.7 - 82.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
Thanks for coming to my TED talk. Shoutout to SBPC for explaining to me the criteria for what makes something unhealthy.
 
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Alright, to build off of what SBPC said, I'm gonna put out a hot take:

Dusclops is unhealthy for DPP ZU and should be suspect tested.

This thing can soak hits for days from most of the tier, and that's just considering standard sets. Mons that would be otherwise really good like Yanma just struggle to break A- because of this monster blocking their path. On top of this, even if you're running offense, you can run it to counter Persian, an otherwise huge threat to offense, simply because it's so splashable. It can also check mons such as Banded Granbull or Banded mightyena with stuff like Colbur to soak a hit and burn them, or run CM Resttalk to set up on mons like Yanma or Tangela. Finally, not a single mon listed on the VR can OHKO it without set up or an otherwise undesirable set like Specs Gastly.
Here are some examples of how insanely bulky this thing is:

252+ SpA Yanma Shadow Ball vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Dusclops: 106-126 (37.3 - 44.3%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
252 Atk Choice Band Pidgeot Brave Bird vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Dusclops: 127-151 (44.7 - 53.1%) -- 0.4% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
252 Atk Mightyena Crunch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Dusclops: 122-146 (42.9 - 51.4%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
252+ Atk Choice Band Mightyena Crunch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Colbur Berry Dusclops: 102-120 (35.9 - 42.2%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Granbull Crunch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Colbur Berry Dusclops: 82-97 (28.8 - 34.1%) -- 2.9% chance to 3HKO
252 SpA Life Orb Gastly Shadow Ball vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Dusclops: 224-266 (78.8 - 93.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 SpA Life Orb Houndour Dark Pulse vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Dusclops: 198-234 (69.7 - 82.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
Thanks for coming to my TED talk. Shoutout to SBPC for explaining to me the criteria for what makes something unhealthy.
I absolutely disagree with this and I will explain why.

Dusclops is undeniably a great Pokemon in the tier, and arguably the best Pokemon in the tier. However, it is not broken by any means. The problem is when it comes the discrepancy between Dusclops' ability to blanket check so much in the teambuilder, versus in play. It's no where near as hard to overwhelm Dusclops as you suggest. Yes, it is so good because of its Ghost-typing causing it to be very anti-meta in a metagame full of physically biased normal types. But "not a single mon listed on the VR can OHKO it without setup or undeseirable set" is a terrible argument because Dusclops is naturally a defensive Pokemon and it probably shouldn't be OHKO'd by very much, and this is offset by its extreme passiveness.

Encore, Sub, Taunt, stallbreaking techniques, setup, and overall strong attacks can break through Dusclops because of its lack of reliable recovery and reliance on Leftovers to gain passive recovery, and Colbur is not a very viable set. I don't know why you are expecting so much out of Yanma, a Pokemon that was once unranked. Your calculations are not "stupid" at all - I don't know why you expect a physical normal-type to break through it (when the CB Pidgeot set actually 2hkos after a bit of chip like a spike or rocks?), weak non-stab moves like Yanma Shadow Ball to break through (Yanma's niche is speed boost cleaning, not breaking), or non-STAB physical Dark-type attacks to 2HKO through Colbur Berry, or a low-ranked first evolution Pokemon like Houndour to OHKO it. It's not like Dusclops can even do anything back to these Pokemon with the except of the Normal-types and Yanma.

Yes, Dusclops is splashable, but to say its putting meaningful pressure on anything resmbling balance is incorrect, and the tier currently has enough wallbreakers on offense to punish it. The free turns given by Dusclops when its forced to rest are ridiculously common, and it can't even reliably wall many of the Pokemon in the tier that aren't Normal-type. Because it is both surmountable, and generally does not really require a respective archetype to go out of its way to check, I don't think its suspect worthy. I actually think its healthy as it keeps many of the oppressive normal-types in check. I think you need to reanalyze the metagame and look over your teams and see why you may be struggling with Dusclops, and I'm sure many people would be willing to help you out with this here, PS!, or in the discord! Thanks for your contribution to the metagame as well.
 

SBPC

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I'm going to add onto Durza's post here and mention a couple of specific ways to check and counter Dusclops.

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These physical threats can both come onto dusclops rather cleanly and check it, due to being immune to burns after their orbs activate, even more so as they can use clops as setup fodder to boost up and sweep teams.

+2 252 Atk Guts Raticate Crunch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Dusclops: 228-270 (80.2 - 95%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

+1 252 Atk Mightyena Crunch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Dusclops: 186-218 (65.4 - 76.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

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This one is more self explained. Taunting Dusclops effectively shuts down it's sets. Banette especially vs Rest Talk, as it is immune to Seismic Toss.

Anyways, these are just a few examples for ways to effectively handle Dusclops. If you're having trouble handling Dusclops and bulkier teams based around it, feel free to use the sample sets of the mons listed in my post.
 
As I'm talking about it on Discord, I have some small questions. As is always the case in the creation of an old lower tier, we rely on the viability rankings of the upper tier to create the banlist (and therefore the tierlist). The limit isn't always the same: it can go from the B rank to the C+ rank. But here, I don't understand this limit well, since there are banished and authorized pokemons within the same rank. In an attempt to explain, I analyzed the list.
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