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Most Underrated Pokémon of Generation 5
- Thread starter Chieliee
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Blissey can take more hits from the physical(and special) side, and has a superior typing. Why use it when you've got Blissey? Ice-STAB?
EDIT: its also SR weak :/
Cryogonal serves as a special wall, a Rapid Spinner and a user of Sheer Cold all rolled in one (Sheer Cold is not banned on the Pokémon Online server, so that move is definitely usable there, however according to the usage statistics, Cryogonal is only ranked #232 in usage, being used in only 0.29% of all teams, and this makes me conclude that under the rules of the Pokémon Online server at the very least, it is underrated, as I had great success using it in one of my teams).http://91.121.73.228/Dream World/index.html
Kyurem isn't really underrated. I agree that it deserves to be used a bit more, but I've seen it pretty often
This may sound odd, but I'll be the devil's advocate that nominate Axe Face.
He was the definition of hype early on this generation with that absurd 147 Attack, but now it's hardly ever seen - especially higher in the tier. Yes, other dragons can do some jobs better than he can (Dragon Dance and Swords Dance with Mence/Nite and Chomp), but he can indeed be devastating if used in a way the only it can really do. I've used Choice Band for a while, and that Outrage is just grossly powerful, ripping your opponent's team in half. Yes, Haxorus can be slightly noobish to use, but underestimate at your own peril.
He was the definition of hype early on this generation with that absurd 147 Attack, but now it's hardly ever seen - especially higher in the tier. Yes, other dragons can do some jobs better than he can (Dragon Dance and Swords Dance with Mence/Nite and Chomp), but he can indeed be devastating if used in a way the only it can really do. I've used Choice Band for a while, and that Outrage is just grossly powerful, ripping your opponent's team in half. Yes, Haxorus can be slightly noobish to use, but underestimate at your own peril.
I'm gonna suggest this set that I use on one of my teams. Specially defensive Dragonite. It's an amazing partner to Skarmory and they can wall a lot of stuff between themselves.
Dragonite @ Leftovers
Inner Focus
Careful Nature
252 HP / 216 SpD / 44 Spe
~ Heal Bell
~ Roost
~ Dragon Tail
~ Toxic / Thunder Wave
Basically you switch in on a special attacker without an Ice move. Use heal bell or your status move, and then just phaze away. The only problem is that you can't use Multi Scale cause it's illegal with one of the moves. But apart from that, it's an amazing special wall that counters stuff like Virizion without HP Ice, it can phaze away and do heavy damage to Reuniclus with Dragon Tail and finally, it does great against stall as it can get rid of status and then phaze everything around whilst doing good damage with Toxic. Just try it out guys!
Dragonite @ Leftovers
Inner Focus
Careful Nature
252 HP / 216 SpD / 44 Spe
~ Heal Bell
~ Roost
~ Dragon Tail
~ Toxic / Thunder Wave
Basically you switch in on a special attacker without an Ice move. Use heal bell or your status move, and then just phaze away. The only problem is that you can't use Multi Scale cause it's illegal with one of the moves. But apart from that, it's an amazing special wall that counters stuff like Virizion without HP Ice, it can phaze away and do heavy damage to Reuniclus with Dragon Tail and finally, it does great against stall as it can get rid of status and then phaze everything around whilst doing good damage with Toxic. Just try it out guys!
Aww it has STAB ice, immunity to ground, and 70/30 physical bulk makes it only dies to... Tackle.
Throh (or as I call him Chawk) is a very underrated Bulky Fighter with some things that set him apart from other ones like Machamp, Hariyama, Conkeldurr ect.
-Has higher HP and Special Defense than Conkeldurr
-He is the only Pokemon in the game to get "Mountain Storm", a move that always critical hits, making it a ideal Bulk-Up Scrafty counter.
-He is the only Fighting Pokemon (outside of Poliwrath and Lucario) to get Overhead Throw, a great Phazing move.
-He is the only Fighting type, other than Sawk, to get Mold Breaker. Throh can now hit Gengar, Bronzong, Rotom-A, and other Mon with Levitate using Earthquake.
-He's a Viable Guts user; No Guard & Thick are much better abilities for Machamp & Hariyama, and once Conkeldurr gets Iron Fist it will definetly be used over Guts on several sets due to it's power boost to Hammer Arm, Mach Punch, Drain Punch, and Focus Punch.
Meanwhile, Guts is probably Throh's most reliable ability; Mold Breaker is only viable on sets with Earthquake, while Inner Focus will probably only be used on an anti-lead set.
Of course I'm not saying Machamp, Hariyama, and Conkeldurr aren't great Bulky Fighters; they have niches over Throh, but Throh has niches over them too.
-Has higher HP and Special Defense than Conkeldurr
-He is the only Pokemon in the game to get "Mountain Storm", a move that always critical hits, making it a ideal Bulk-Up Scrafty counter.
-He is the only Fighting Pokemon (outside of Poliwrath and Lucario) to get Overhead Throw, a great Phazing move.
-He is the only Fighting type, other than Sawk, to get Mold Breaker. Throh can now hit Gengar, Bronzong, Rotom-A, and other Mon with Levitate using Earthquake.
-He's a Viable Guts user; No Guard & Thick are much better abilities for Machamp & Hariyama, and once Conkeldurr gets Iron Fist it will definetly be used over Guts on several sets due to it's power boost to Hammer Arm, Mach Punch, Drain Punch, and Focus Punch.
Meanwhile, Guts is probably Throh's most reliable ability; Mold Breaker is only viable on sets with Earthquake, while Inner Focus will probably only be used on an anti-lead set.
Of course I'm not saying Machamp, Hariyama, and Conkeldurr aren't great Bulky Fighters; they have niches over Throh, but Throh has niches over them too.
Cryogonal can actually do damage without the help of Seismic Toss. And it is fast
how about this set ?
also that ice flakes suffer from fighting metagame more than bliss. Bliss can take multiple DM he cant. Thats a rather big factor why wont i use it
Mamoswine
252 HP/252 Atk/4Def
Leftovers
Ice Shard
Icicle Drop
Earthquake
Stone Edge
Great coverage with its moves, finally has a great Stab move to use in Icicle Drop (flinch is really nice). Instatnyl checks all dragons+Sand teams. If you were wondering unboosted Excadrill does between 30-40% (on average, in my experience) with EQ while mamo does ~65% with Icicle Drop, Koing with Ice Shard. Landorus/T-Tar is lol. On stall teams it can occasionally beat Nattorei+Skarmory if it gets lucky with flinching. Max HP means it has a fuckton of bulk alloing you to tank a hit, just survive and KO with the appropriate move.
252 HP/252 Atk/4Def
Leftovers
Ice Shard
Icicle Drop
Earthquake
Stone Edge
Great coverage with its moves, finally has a great Stab move to use in Icicle Drop (flinch is really nice). Instatnyl checks all dragons+Sand teams. If you were wondering unboosted Excadrill does between 30-40% (on average, in my experience) with EQ while mamo does ~65% with Icicle Drop, Koing with Ice Shard. Landorus/T-Tar is lol. On stall teams it can occasionally beat Nattorei+Skarmory if it gets lucky with flinching. Max HP means it has a fuckton of bulk alloing you to tank a hit, just survive and KO with the appropriate move.
SpecsDragonite
Inner Focus/Multiscale
Modest 252 SA/252 HP/4 Def
~Draco Meteor
~Hurricane
~Flamethrower
~Surf/Focus Blast
Draco Meteor is a lot weaker than specsLatios, but Gale gives a great secondary stab move and flamethrower means you don't have to run HP fire. Also a bit bulkier than latios, and usually assumed to be running Physical. Multiscale goes without saying, but Inner Focus could be used because Scarfrachi and fake out leads get a horrible suprise.
This has happened so many times: Infernape/Kojondo used fake out! Did nothing! Dragonite used gale! Infernape/Kojondo died horribly!
Inner Focus/Multiscale
Modest 252 SA/252 HP/4 Def
~Draco Meteor
~Hurricane
~Flamethrower
~Surf/Focus Blast
Draco Meteor is a lot weaker than specsLatios, but Gale gives a great secondary stab move and flamethrower means you don't have to run HP fire. Also a bit bulkier than latios, and usually assumed to be running Physical. Multiscale goes without saying, but Inner Focus could be used because Scarfrachi and fake out leads get a horrible suprise.
This has happened so many times: Infernape/Kojondo used fake out! Did nothing! Dragonite used gale! Infernape/Kojondo died horribly!
I gotta agree with the guy on the first page that Slowbro deserves MUCH more attentions than he's been getting (which is almost none). Regeneration makes an already pretty good pokemon into one of the game's best bulky waters, he does an excellent job at beating some of the games best physical sweepers easily. He can easily come in on the pokemon landlos and garchomp (they only 3hko with their Earthquake moves), blaziken and many others, ohko them all and then switch out, leaving him with 2/3s of his health when he switches without needing to waste a turn using slack off.
Another nice perk to using slowbro over other bulky waters it that he has flamethrower, which means nattorie is no problem for this water type :D. Also makes him a good choice for sun teams looking for a good physical wall. I wouldn't be suprised if he became one of the standard bulky waters of choice once people start to find out about him.
Here's the set I've been using on one of my sun teams
Slowbro@leftovers
Bold
19 Speed IVs
252hp/224def/32spA
Psychic/Boiling water
Flamethrower
Ice beam/toxic/ thunderwave
Slack off
The spA Evs are for always OhKOing blaziken after stealth rock and the speed ivs are so that he never outspeeds roobosion,making payback go first, but lets slowbro always outspeed nattatorie. The first three moves are pretty easily interchangeable among each other, depending on your team needs.
Another nice perk to using slowbro over other bulky waters it that he has flamethrower, which means nattorie is no problem for this water type :D. Also makes him a good choice for sun teams looking for a good physical wall. I wouldn't be suprised if he became one of the standard bulky waters of choice once people start to find out about him.
Here's the set I've been using on one of my sun teams
Slowbro@leftovers
Bold
19 Speed IVs
252hp/224def/32spA
Psychic/Boiling water
Flamethrower
Ice beam/toxic/ thunderwave
Slack off
The spA Evs are for always OhKOing blaziken after stealth rock and the speed ivs are so that he never outspeeds roobosion,making payback go first, but lets slowbro always outspeed nattatorie. The first three moves are pretty easily interchangeable among each other, depending on your team needs.
Hey thats a great idea! :D Pairing those two together sounds nice...
If Slowbro is that good, then Slowking should be, too.
I'm nominating Goruugu. Hes not bad. He has 3 useful Immunities giving him plenty of time to switch in and give the Opponent a big, No Guard, Dynamic Punch to the face. Or if he doesn't have that ability, he can still hit hard with Earthquake! He handles Blissey easily too. Big Attack stat and immune to Seismic Toss and Thunder Wave.
Question: Why would you want to outspeed Conkledurr? Isn't its only move that hits you SE, Payback, do less damage if you go second?
The lower defense is a pretty big deal, actually, considering that most fighting-types will have a ghost or dark move to back it up.
372 Atk +2 LO HJK vs. 252/252 Bold Slowbro: (48.98% - 57.87%)
372 Atk +2 LO HJK vs. 252/252 Bold Slowking: (60.15% - 71.07%)
As you can see, Slowbro definitely has the edge, and this is just a resisted move. Slowking isn't as great, IMO.
Well do a calc for Energy Ball or some kind of...special move perhaps? :) They are quite similar so I don't see why one makes the other TOTALLY inferior.
Because the things they will be walling most will be using physical attacks primarily, and their weaknesses tend to lie on the special side which hampers their effectiveness on that spectrum.
Slowking can take a stray energy ball or Fire Blast better than Slowbro, yes. But Slowbro deals just fine and takes the hits it needs to be taking better in general, so it is the better option.
I dunno, Focus Blast is pretty popular. Plus lets check their resistances shall we?
Fighting P
Steel P
Fire S
Water S
Psychic S
Ice S
Seems to me like more of their resistances are types that are most commonly on special moves. Flamethrower, Ice Beam, Surf, Scald, Fire Blast, and etc are moves I see every game. I'd rather have my Ghosts absorb fighting moves or something.
Honestly though I think Bro/King's viability depends on your team and what it calls for. I couldn't think one is better than the other. THey just excel in different areas.