I honestly disagree with chansey and skarmory moving up. They are in no way bad but my problem with both of these is how badly they kill momentum and both are set up fodder for a lot of dangerous things. Chansey's reliance on eviolite and inability to run an attacking move other then seismic toss is pretty annoying as it can't deter spikes users or set up sweepers from setting up all over it. It does wall gengar but what exactly can chansey even do back? And skarm I disagree with for as it walls a good portion of the meta but against most of the things it walls the only thing it is able to do to them is set up hazards while they can just pressure it.
That was actually a while ago before Rocky Chomp gained any sort of relevancy. Different period of the metagame, different relevant sets basically. Whether or not it should go to A+ I'm still gauging because I don't feel its effectiveness surpasses Hippowdon which is considered one of the best glues on Balance and maintains a pretty high rate of consistency I feel. Being x4 weak to Ice sort of blows when the metagame is prepping for Lando and Gliscor and by virtue of this point is preparing for Garchomp. Obviously the utility that Garchomp provides is outstanding enough on its Rocky Helmet set but whether or not it surpasses the amount of utility and efficiency to say, Gliscor is a different story. I'm more inclined to believe it's at A but I don't have a strong opinion on it in comparison to the points about Landorus I previously made to various individuals.
Nah chomp should definitely go to A+, mainly because of its invaluable utility to offense teams.
Does everyone remember Hydreigon for the BW/B2W2 days? If not, it was supposed to be uncounterable. However, It wasn't considered an excessively powerful pokemon for the same reason that I say that Keldeo does not deserve S rank. They both have a rather large amount of checks. I am honestly sorry that I still stand by what I say. Keldeo is, honestly, and easy pokemon to check. Countering it is difficult, which is why I think it should be A+ and not something like C rank. But the fact that it can be checked by a fairly large portion of the metagame makes it undeserving of S rank. Finally, I'm going to take a look at the description of S rank. Reserved for pokemon that are the pinnacle of the OU metagame. These pokemon are able to perform veriety of roles very effectively, or can do just one extremely well. Their use has low risk involved and high reward exerted. Pokemon in this rank have very few flaws patched up by numerous positive traits. These pokemon define the metagame. While I do agree that Keldeo can perform a verity of roles effectively, I don't believe a pokemon with numerous checks and and four moderately common weaknesses is "involving low risk involved". Finally, Keldeo is somewhat lacking in coverage, having weak coverage moves like hidden power and icy wind. So, I still say that Keldeo should be A+ rank instead of S.DarkNostalgia said:
The problem with Mega Latias is just that it does have that huge opportunity cost of being a mega... Also, offensive sets can be even more powerful just using life orb (or Latios of course) and defensive sets will miss that leftovers passive recovery... Also, the increase in bulk isn't as huge as it should, to be really noticeable IMO...
How isn't it noticeable? The thing lives adamant life orb mamoswine's icicle crash, heck, it even lives adamant max atk hoopa-unbound's hyperspace fury. And, unlike her brother Latios, Mega Latias isn't outclassed by its regular form. Unless you have a dark type, the CM set is unbreakable, and is capable of setting up on a huge portion on the meta. Yes, it's match-up reliant, but that's why its in B+. Apart from that, Mega Latias has a reflect type defog set which allows some balanced/stall builds to counter huge threats such as Keldeo, Landorus, Thundurus, Mega Venusaur, etc. And when I say counter, its actually counter, because any of the sets they might run cant kill her. Do you know how hard it is nowadays to find a Landorus counter with all the possible coverage it could have? It even has reflect type to escape from pursuit, not even scarf-tar damages it with crunch, as it does about 60%, you can reflect type back, roost on it and switch out. This thing is fat af.
It may be because most mons invested in defense can easily take it's hits, along with the fact that it can easily be revenge killed by breloom, Conkeldurr, MegaPinsir,and talonflame. Furthermore, it is extremely easily stopped by stall mons such as slowbro and MegaVenu. Also, While it has an attack stat that is quite high, it's attacks are unboosted, unlike other fast physical attackers like weavile. I hope I spread at least some light in the subject.Scarfed Raptor said:
Lopunny's power, while only okay, is bolstered by its main STABs having perfect neutral coverage as well as very high base power.
Not agreeing with this, the power of M-Lopunny(at least regarding its main STAB) is actually more powerful than Megagross Meteor Mash(barely,but still is a fact), because you need to take into account that unlike Weavile ,M-Lopunny has an access to a 130BP move,so I don't get why people treat is as it does not do enough damage, of course it lacks coverage options to get past monst like M-Slowbro easily(since he resists its main STAB and unlike Megagross who can approach from the special side with GK to overcome this), and the fact that is weak to the main RKiller is a problem against Offense, but as far as pure damage goes M-Lopunny is not lacking.
I second both of Magcargo's nominations. I really feel that Latias is simply slapped onto teams because people can and want its support, but its offensive capabilities are usually handicapped due to being limited to four moveslots, and its defensive capabilities are usually overshadowed by opposing team support through Pursuit to get past Latias for Pokemon it checks.
The issue with this argument is that all these things apply to Latios as well. Tyranitar is by far the most common pursuit user and Latios struggles equally against it. CB Scizor (which isn't super common and usually runs Knock Off > Pursuit) avoids a 2HKO from both twins lacking HP Fire as well. Bisharp is the only difference in terms of pursuit users, but 1) SD is far more common than pursuit and 2) Latias actually has a very small chance to 2HKO with Draco Meteor, and this chance increases a lot if Bisharp took any prior damage. Neither beats Diancie, Clefable, Chansey, Jirachi, etc.
