What if we don't have 5 mons specifically? Why does it have to be 5?
My top 2 that I wanted banned from DLC2 were Roaring Moon and Gouging Fire. Roaring Moon is still my #1 ban choice. There is really no reason why I can see that a mon that is as good a sweeper, wallbreaker, and all around progress maker all at once can somehow not be broken at that speed tier. The other Tera forms like Fairy are underexplored, also. Gouging Fire has fallen off somewhat. I still think that mon is a bit BS, but I'm not exactly pushing it now.
Kyurem is probably the next closest to be broken in my eyes. I currently have it as borderline, but if the thing starts abusing something else like Body Press to start handling Blissey or something, I'm gonna change it right to #2. It's not there for me yet.
Waterpon was one of the two I most wanted to see banned in the last DLC alongside the majorly fallen off Manaphy. Both are not what they were in DLC1, but Waterpon is still a bit of a monster. The speed tier isn't particularly great. There are a lot of good Grass and Dragon types in the meta that resist both Wellspring's STABs, making it easier to play around. Waterpon also has 4MSS since it cannot fit all of Swords Dance, Play Rough, Trailblaze, and Encore/Taunt in its sets. Slow, bulky teams hate Wellspring;'s wallbreaking ability, but that's all it is. It's a wallbreaker. I feel like any team with decent speed control can play around it. I wouldn't necesarrily be opposed to it going, but it's not in my top 3 most broken.
Gambit is I guess an interesting question because of Tera. There is a case to be made that Tera could put it over the edge. That's about all I will say at this point. We all know what it does. I'm not really pro ban so much as I am open minded to it.
Of all the true borderline threats discussed regularly in DLC2, the only one I truly don't want banned is Raging Bolt for its good qualities. And most people seem to have adapted to it. I guess Zamazenta might qualify now as a borderline threat, but like, how hard is it to make a team with Body Press resists? Flying types in particular are very common. I just don't think it's particularly broken. Both are good glue mons, which isn't really a reason to keep them if they are truly broken, but I really don't think they actually are. They both probably stay off my ban list.
I've seen occasional mentions of red herrings for the hazard issue like Gliscor and Gholdengo. If any one mon should go because of hazards, and I don't think any should, it would need to be Hamurott for the way it abuses Spikes while attacking with an ability buffed damage move. But let's be honest, Spikes was the real issue in DLC1 and maybe even now.
So if I had to choose 5?
I guess I would go Roaring Moon, Gouging Fire, Kyurem, Wellspring, and Gambit in that order?
But I do not necesarrily want to ban 5. And I'm not sure the order wouldn't change again depending on how things go.
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- I’d say it’s alright atm with all the Fighting-types around to check it and how without Nasty Plot, it isn’t hitting too hard with Dark Pulse. I don’t feel like it adds much to the tier, but at least it doesn’t seem like an active problem right now.
- This guy’s pretty much a matchup cheeser on the same level as Volcarona. Even if you have a check to this thing that factors in a specific Tera, it can still just bypass that with having access to Substitute and Roar to keep on steamrolling your team. It can also just go all-out on offense with a Choice Band set and be a fast, bulky wallbreaker with 92/115/115 bulk and STAB Close Combat. I find it annoying and I wouldn’t mind seeing it go.
- At most I feel it’s an annoyance and isn’t overwhelming enough to be considered broken, especially with all the other wacky shit currently in the tier. Pretty easy to force it to Tera, the metal birds can consistently wall it, Hex spam from Dragapult and Gholdengo pack it up and it does not like Special breakers, even with max SpD. I don’t feel like it stands out atm.
- I feel like Kingambit is the one thing keeping everyone from complaining en masse about this guy. At the moment I’m fine with it and think it’s a pretty healthy presence in the tier with utility sets being nice checks to Zama / Gambit / Gouging / Dragonite and the Specs set being a nice glue as a general special pivot, but it could definitely get out of control without Kingambit being around to keep it in check. If Kingambit was to finally go, then I’d feel this would be worth taking a look at.
- If anything was to truly feel like a physical counterpart to the matchup moth, it’s this thing. Except it’s even more versatile of a threat than Volcarona was. Even if you have a check for it, it can still click Knock Off to cripple you, overwhelm you with Acrobatics anyways since Tera Flying + Booster Atk + Dragon Dance turn it into a blazing fast nuke, turn out to be a Taunt + Roost set that laughs in Dondozo’s face or just be a Scarf / Band pivot. It can also run Brick Break to shit on Screens Offense (or just to be petty to Kingambit) and Jaw Lock to troll stall even more than just a regular Taunt + Roost set would. I’d definitely be alright with seeing this thing get booted out again.
(Terastal) - This mechanic just outright ignores the core competitive mechanic of the game in typing matchups and creates a meta where absolutely nothing has any true counter (besides Ogerpon which has forced Tera, but with its coverage it still has no true counter anyways). Its existence is antithetical to the game and an absolute nightmare scenario for anyone who hates Hidden Power (which is pretty healthy compared to whatever tf Game Freak thought they were cooking with Tera). I really wish to see this mechanic out of the tier.
- Just a beastly mon that basically always trades positive, unless you bring clod or lu. Even then, tera water tera blast sets or just dropping boosted dracos on the switch can wear through the opponents defense. A real pain to build against too. Of course every team will basically always bring a ground type, but most of the ground types need to be careful. Maybe I spam lando too much and its my fault for getting draco'd tho. I'd like to see a suspect of this guy too.
- Really not banworthy, I just gotta shout out my boy. Best anti-bullshit mon in the business. Multiscale + Tera normal ESpeed solves all issues. Pair it with encore oger to pressure the steel birds and you're going to have a fun time.
