New Tobacco act passed

[Vine Whip]

The biggest current celebrity in the world, Barack Obama (cmon theres pics of him with iTouches and shit in magazines....hes not a preisident hes a movie star) has just passed a new law regarding Tobacco

http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/obamaforamerica/gGGG39

In a nutshell, this is what it does:
- gets rid of "light" and "low tar" labels on the product
- More graphic warnings
- No advertising within 1,000 feet of schools and playgrounds
- Ingredients on the carton
- prohibit marketing campiagns.
- No candy-flavoring.

Well, he said change was on the way. Here it is.

I agree with most of these, especially the school one. The marketing campaign thing is cool too.....but what I keep hearing is that this is just one more step to Socialism....idk I've never done a drug in my life (except Extacy) but I support this

What do you guys think of this new law?

 

[Atlas]

the only things i agree with is the ingredients on the carton, just cause its a product and arent you supposed to put your ingredients on them anyways.

i think theres more than enough anti-smoking campaign if you smoke its your choice and none of these changes will make a difference except for the people who do smoke. also i really dont like the idea to put more graphical warnings on the package, i hate seeing damaged livers, its really gross.

 

[Vine Whip]

I guess your right, I see brain X rays everywhere marketing against drugs and they dont really faze me, you know the mushed brain pictures? "this is your brain in 10 years if you smoke, 15 years etc"

I think cigarettes suck in general though, why do it, if you want to be calm smoke some herb, or some stronger drug, cuz really all cigarettes do is calm you for a short amount of time, the Cons are way more than the pros

not even talking about damaging yourself, people dont like to see yellow teeth, smell ur bad breath, or breath it (babies and such) ....cmon cigarettes blow (pun lol)

 

[Deck Knight]

Another day, another power grab by the federal government over your daily life.

Tobacco companies market to children? Did the Wacky Tobacky he took in college affect Obama's brain? Tobacco has been banned from advertisement in children-centered media for decades. Smoking is censored to the highest degree on television, the most visible and immediate example being Sanji's cigarette on One Piece is depicted as a lollipop. Hell, every major network runs those "truth.com" ads blatantly attacking cigarette companies. If anything the absolute overkill nannyism has made smoking into an even greater counter-culture phenomenon than it otherwise would be.

Every time I hear "there ought to be a law" I start heading for the hills. It invariably means less consumer choice, higher costs, and a net negative effect on the economy.

Tobacco is just the beginning of this trend, and was chosen only because it's an easy target. The government will find increasingly more deathtraps that the hapless sheeple get into, and regulate and tax those to no end as well. Can you say "soda tax?"

 

[MegaBuddha]

This seems good. I agree with most of them. But what doesn't make sense to me is the flavoring. I don't think kids really are that into candy that they should limit them. A kid is going to be just as attracted to a peanut butter and jelly falvored tobacco as they would.. chocolate? So it's a silly rule and I'm not sure where to draw the line between.

 

[diinbong]

As long as it doesn't affect the actual cigarettes "whatever". As long as it's still a choice of mine.

But no candy flavouring? You can't be serious.

 

[foibles]

I really seems like this isn't such a bad thing. It really just looks like the government is actually concerned about people's health. Either that or the tobacco companies failed to bribe enough people.

 

[jrrrrrrr]

I am simply amazed that they would continue to figure out ways to make cigarettes more acceptable yet refuse to hear arguments about legalization of cannabis and other non-fatal drugs. That's a representative government for you! More people support legalizing cannabis than the republican party at the moment, yet we have laws like this coming out and no drug law fixes where we actually need them.

It is ridiculous to think that a measure designed to increase people's lifespans is a gross injustice to our personal liberties like Deck Knight does, especially when you consider the fact that people in the US don't live as long as people in other countries, we are born less healthy, and while we live we are sicker (gotta love that free market health care system, always looking out for the patients). Cigarettes are one of the leading causes of death in this country, and soda is one of the leading causes of obesity, which is at epidemic levels in the USA (obesity is also the leading cause of death in the US). They are two of the most dangerous legal products on the market, and as far as I'm concerned the fact that the government is not doing everything it can to ban these products shows me that they are interested in protecting our "freedom" (either that or lobbyists have a bipartisan grip on Congress' balls, but I like to be more optimistic). Of course, do people really have the freedom to kill themselves, even if it is slowly over the course of decades? bla bla bla open a can of worms

oh and speaking of the soda tax...its a 1/4 cent tax per ounce of soda that will be used to fund a health care system in the US. I think it's wildly appropriate for one of the main reasons why the rest of the industrialized world is so much healthier than America is to help foot the bill, don't you? Kind of like a "yeah you caused the problem, now help us fix it" sort of thing that's extremely rare in today's world. Can you imagine that? Trying to fix the problems instead of the symptoms?

 

[FM]

you spelled tobacco wrong.

also they've already illegalized indoor smoking, taking it any further would be yet another breach of one of the founding principles of this country, personal freedom.

 

[Oddish On Fire]

The biggest current celebrity in the world, Barack Obama (cmon theres pics of him with iTouches and shit in magazines....hes not a preisident hes a movie star) has just passed a new law regarding Tobacco

http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/obamaforamerica/gGGG39

In a nutshell, this is what it does:
- gets rid of "light" and "low tar" labels on the product
- More graphic warnings
- No advertising within 1,000 feet of schools and playgrounds
- Ingredients on the carton
- prohibit marketing campiagns.
- No candy-flavoring.

Well, he said change was on the way. Here it is.

I agree with most of these, especially the school one. The marketing campaign thing is cool too.....but what I keep hearing is that this is just one more step to Socialism....idk I've never done a drug in my life (except Extacy) but I support this

What do you guys think of this new law?

Are you trying to make yourself sound ignorant about Socialism, or does it just come naturally? I genuinely want to hear how you can possibly link tobacco bans to socialism, as the leaps in logic are unfathomable. Oh, and regarding your comment about Obama not being president, you must be out of touch on current events. I don't know if you heard, but he was elected president...quite a while ago. Goddamnit, you could have presented a legitimate case that I would have agreed with, but this is just pitiful... I think I'm going to attempt to ignore the idiocy of the things you said, and go back to the main topic, though it will be hard.

Thanks to Nixon, people have been fucking with my rights to consume drugs. A new breed of politicians focus on "The War On Drugs" and social issues more than economic ones, which are the only debates we should be having. If this country is a free one, why the hell can't I smoke candy flavored cigarettes? Cigarette companies have the right to do whatever they want to, thanks to The Bill of Rights. The amount of money that our goverment spends combatting tobacco, alcohol, and the other illegal drugs could be spent on much better things, like elimating poverty, teaching SAFE sex (not no sex), or simply by lowering our taxes. If private businesses don't want their customers to smoke inside, then they can ban it themselves. However, the idea that I can't smoke a cigar in a bar is just...wrong. What will they ban next, alcohol in bars? When the goverment realizes that issues like these should be left up to private companies, I will be very happy. This is one of the few instances where I am completely for little goverment intervention. If I had it my way, all drugs would be legal. Why? It's my right as an American to kill myself. I know cigarettes are dangerous, just like every other intelligent American does. The goverment is beating a dead horse at this point.

This is one of the few examples where I agree with Deck Knight almost whole-heartedly...

 

[100kvolts]

you spelled tobacco wrong.

also they've already illegalized indoor smoking, taking it any further would be yet another breach of one of the founding principles of this country, personal freedom.

Out of curiosity, do you believe that people should legally be allowed to drive while intoxicated?

@ person above me: Congrats, you just discovered Deck Knight. Ignore him as arguing with him always ends up being futile.

 

[akuchi]

Graphic warnings are okay since we have them here and I like collecting them :3 like I liked collecting the health warnings before. There's a particularly ace one that looks like a dead Jedi. Good times. Ingredients seems reasonable; and getting rid of the 'light' brandings is something else we've had here for a while (though I've yet to notice it make a difference).

 

[Alpha/Omega]

If I had it my way, all drugs would be legal. Why? It's my right as an American to kill myself.

Most drugs are illegal because they're harmful to the people around the users.

Say I'm the CEO of a company. Drugs are legal, so I start doing ice. Within a month, the company could be collapsing. I'm restless, I don't sleep, I have delusions. I start taking risks, and the company is losing money. I got irritated with my assistant for talking too loudly, so I punched him out.

Someone comes into my office saying I have to sell the company. We have no profits left. I panic. I'll lose my job. So I kill him, then cover it up. The company crashes. I go home. My wife is yelling at me. But I'm so depressed. I'm so irritated, so tired. I just lost it. I killed her.



.......... and it goes on and on. Legalizing drugs isn't about freedom. You don't have the freedom to do whatever you want if it makes you a danger to those around you.

I think that the government should be doing something about this. There are toxic chemicals in cigarettes. It's not the same as saying "I have a right to choose how I treat my body." Poisoned ice cream is illegal. People wouldn't eat it. Cigarettes are no different. The companies don't tell people what's in their cigarettes. This is misleading and dangerous to health.

Unfortunately, the companies have too much money and power. They can't be brought down. The only way to make smoking "safer" is by passing laws and spreading awareness.

Also, what's candy flavouring? I've heard of menthol, but not this.

 

[Crisis]

I do find it a little amusing when people try to defend smoking. It's one of the most addictive drugs out there, it's expensive (once you're addicted, the cigarette companies pretty much have you by the balls), and it's one of the leading killers in the world today. Not to mention the clouds of cancer the people around smokers have to put up with.

The U.S. government is perfectly entitled to interfere in the daily lives of the American people if it's for a universal health benefit. They do it all the time.

 

[X-Act]

Here in Malta, the warning label on the cigarette packet is as big as half the size of the packet. The government also increases the price of tobacco practically every year. It knows it's extra money, since people are not going to be deterred even if cigarettes were $100 a packet.

 

[akuchi]

I do find it a little amusing when people try to defend smoking. It's one of the most addictive drugs out there, it's expensive (once you're addicted, the cigarette companies pretty much have you by the balls), and it's one of the leading killers in the world today. Not to mention the clouds of cancer the people around smokers have to put up with.

The U.S. government is perfectly entitled to interfere in the daily lives of the American people if it's for a universal health benefit. They do it all the time.

It's one of the most enjoyable, too :3

 

[Crisis]

It's one of the most enjoyable, too :3

Well that's dandy but it's just part of the addictive cycle. It's not really a very solid argument against the government's attempts to prevent their population from having its health exploited by tobacco corporations.

 

[ferron]

Are you trying to make yourself sound ignorant about Socialism, or does it just come naturally? I genuinely want to hear how you can possibly link tobacco bans to socialism, as the leaps in logic are unfathomable. Oh, and regarding your comment about Obama not being president, you must be out of touch on current events. I don't know if you heard, but he was elected president...quite a while ago. Goddamnit, you could have presented a legitimate case that I would have agreed with, but this is just pitiful... I think I'm going to attempt to ignore the idiocy of the things you said, and go back to the main topic, though it will be hard.

Thanks to Nixon, people have been fucking with my rights to consume drugs. A new breed of politicians focus on "The War On Drugs" and social issues more than economic ones, which are the only debates we should be having. If this country is a free one, why the hell can't I smoke candy flavored cigarettes? Cigarette companies have the right to do whatever they want to, thanks to The Bill of Rights. The amount of money that our goverment spends combatting tobacco, alcohol, and the other illegal drugs could be spent on much better things, like elimating poverty, teaching SAFE sex (not no sex), or simply by lowering our taxes. If private businesses don't want their customers to smoke inside, then they can ban it themselves. However, the idea that I can't smoke a cigar in a bar is just...wrong. What will they ban next, alcohol in bars? When the goverment realizes that issues like these should be left up to private companies, I will be very happy. This is one of the few instances where I am completely for little goverment intervention. If I had it my way, all drugs would be legal. Why? It's my right as an American to kill myself. I know cigarettes are dangerous, just like every other intelligent American does. The goverment is beating a dead horse at this point.

This is one of the few examples where I agree with Deck Knight almost whole-heartedly...

so pray tell where in the first ten amendments of the constitution are companies given any rights? oh that's right, they aren't. the bill of rights is for rights individual, all of which may be superseded if they would come to harm or infringe on the rights of others. you can try and make a case that since it is not covered in the constitution, that the ninth amendment would allow for them to have rights of sales, but then it still doesn't get past that nasty "harming of others."

in short, the tobacco companies really have no rights, and have no room to complain, since they have known for decades that they are selling toxins.

 

[Oddish On Fire]

so pray tell where in the first ten amendments of the constitution are companies given any rights? oh that's right, they aren't. the bill of rights is for rights individual, all of which may be superseded if they would come to harm or infringe on the rights of others. you can try and make a case that since it is not covered in the constitution, that the ninth amendment would allow for them to have rights of sales, but then it still doesn't get past that nasty "harming of others."

in short, the tobacco companies really have no rights, and have no room to complain, since they have known for decades that they are selling toxins.

I'll safely assume you know nothing about companies. So that I don't have to explain this to you, as I don't want to take the time, watch "The Corporation."

Corporations ARE considered individuals in America.

 

[Oddish On Fire]

Most drugs are illegal because they're harmful to the people around the users.

Say I'm the CEO of a company. Drugs are legal, so I start doing ice. Within a month, the company could be collapsing. I'm restless, I don't sleep, I have delusions. I start taking risks, and the company is losing money. I got irritated with my assistant for talking too loudly, so I punched him out.

Someone comes into my office saying I have to sell the company. We have no profits left. I panic. I'll lose my job. So I kill him, then cover it up. The company crashes. I go home. My wife is yelling at me. But I'm so depressed. I'm so irritated, so tired. I just lost it. I killed her.



.......... and it goes on and on. Legalizing drugs isn't about freedom. You don't have the freedom to do whatever you want if it makes you a danger to those around you.

I think that the government should be doing something about this. There are toxic chemicals in cigarettes. It's not the same as saying "I have a right to choose how I treat my body." Poisoned ice cream is illegal. People wouldn't eat it. Cigarettes are no different. The companies don't tell people what's in their cigarettes. This is misleading and dangerous to health.

Unfortunately, the companies have too much money and power. They can't be brought down. The only way to make smoking "safer" is by passing laws and spreading awareness.

Also, what's candy flavouring? I've heard of menthol, but not this.

So, cigarettes have caused something much like this? No...
If you want to give an example, make it a real one, because an example like this is just plain laughable.

 

[Objection]

It's one of the most enjoyable, too :3

Oh yes, that automatically means it's good.

For those whose sarcasm detection skills are as bad as mine, the post I just made was sarcastic.

 

[Outlaw]

This is just taking advantage of a habbit.

 

[Garchomp of the Funk]

I'll safely assume you know nothing about companies. So that I don't have to explain this to you, as I don't want to take the time, watch "The Corporation."

Corporations ARE considered individuals in America.

So where exactly in the Constitution is the individual right to poison others?

 

[akuchi]

I'm not getting into an argument over the joys of smoking.

 

[EspyJoel]

I completely detest the idea of smoking but for many people its a way of calming themselves down, as long as they don't smoke near me, I have no problem with it.