SJCrew
Believer, going on a journey...
No. This is a fucking terrible argument regarding not only any sort of this ban, but this specific case. Swift Swimmers are mostly redundant Water-types that will see no use outside of their desired weather effect. "Metagame variety" is not high priority when we already have hundreds of different competitive Pokemon to choose from with vastly different typing and movepools. There is very little variation between the Swift Swimmers until you get to the Big Three, who have just the right stats, movepools, and typing to do what they do so well. The rest are mini-versions of them who, while frankly not as good, will still sweep your average team with minimal effort.Tangible benefits? 1)Increased variety in the metagame
Golduck, for example, is basically Kingdra without its Dragon typing. It still has decent bulk, an even better movepool (Focus Blast for Ferrothorn :O), and Calm Mind, which says "fuck you all night" for even trying to stop it. I mean, shit, I'm getting scared just thinking about Choice Specs.
Gorebyss, Huntail, Carracosta, and Omastar all have Shell Smash. Nowhere near worth testing.
Floatzel is getting lower, but still incredibly powerful to the effect of Excadrill where we really want to argue “why the fuck do we want another one.” Bulk Up is not even the only dangerous set it can run; a simple Choice Band set is going to send us clamoring for our Tangrowths and Slowbros pretty quickly. Even if it’s not 100% unequivocally broken, we’re just adding another humongous threat to the metagame for the tier to centralize around, and making a bigger mess of the supposed balance we’d already have achieved by this point.
If what you’re suggesting doesn’t help balance the tier in anyway, then what's the point? Irrelevant hypotheses shouldn't compromise the health of competitive Pokemon.
Quoting me out of context? Cool. But let's give this a little perspective:And you said my argument was falling apart.
We don't really need to know. The same way we don't need to know whether or not Sheer Cold Glaile is a big enough problem to bring back. Overhauling the policy at this point is fruitless because quite frankly, it works. Even if it's not logically sound to ignore certain non-broken sets on Pokemon who can abuse broken aspects of game, the blanket ban guarantees we don't have to waste time scrutinizing certain aspects of the game we're just not that concerened with. Your policy is guaranteed to take us a lot of time for something that's not going to help the state of competitive Pokemon.The answer right now is that we don't. Even if you tell us that we don't know whether or not something like Floatzel is broken
Let me repeat this because it's the driving point of the entire discussion: your policy proposal does not help the state of competitive Pokemon. It helps you understand whether or not certain Swift Swimmers are broken. This is not a cause worth supporting for the collateral damage it's bound to cause. Evasion moves are banned, OHKO moves are banned, and now Drizzle + Swift Swim is banned. Every one of these bans make Pokemon a better game. Keep them that way.
Let's add three or four or five Excadrills to fix a problem that doesn't exist (not enough fish in OU, I think that was your argument).A lot of people think Excadrill's broken, what's your point?
Beartic or Armaldo? Who knows, they only have massive Attack power, Swords Dance, and Jolteon Speed to outclass most of the tier in sweeping ability. All I know is that once again, you're avoiding the affirmative to tell us why having them in the tier is a good thing that should be promoted. "OU needs more sweepers?" "OU needs more fish?" No, we don't need either of those. We just need to stop listening to people like you for good so that we can make reasonable decisions for a game we can all enjoy.Do you really think Luvdisc, Beartic, and Armaldo will ruin balance in the metagame?