Anybody here have their concealed carry permit?

[Lee]

az, my understanding is that they serve much the same role that handbag-wielding old ladies do in our culture.

That is, in an ideal world they would never have to be used but the simple fact that they do exist is enough to scare away potential criminals.

 

[mingot]

i always keep the heater handy in the glove box in case some shit jumps off

 

[Kinneas]

az, my understanding is that they serve much the same role that handbag-wielding old ladies do in our culture.

That is, in an ideal world they would never have to be used but the simple fact that they do exist is enough to scare away potential criminals.

haha I knew what that link would be before I even clicked it.

I carry my guns with me at all times. One on each arm.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

az, my understanding is that they serve much the same role that handbag-wielding old ladies do in our culture.

That is, in an ideal world they would never have to be used but the simple fact that they do exist is enough to scare away potential criminals.

What an awesome old lady, and what a sorry bunch of robbers.

 

[VKCA]

hello im from england what is guns

!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[but seriously is america really this bad?]

 

[Iamslow]

Living in America certainly isn't as dangerous as people make it sound, but I hear about somebody getting shot in my area like every couple of weeks / months or so on the local news. Depends heavily on where you live.

IT'S NOT AS BAD AS A WARZONE OKAY

 

[Cooky]

IT'S NOT AS BAD AS A WARZONE OKAY

well now we know

 

[Zacchaeus]

I'm for gun rights and all, but the 2nd amendment doesn't grant random citizens the right to have a gun.

THE MORE YOU KNOW

But also, America does have more guns and tons more gun deaths than any other country in the world. Good documentary on the subject: Bowling for Columbine

 

[Fishy]

my guns they be like gang signs

ALWAYS GETTIN' THROWN UP

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Fishy's guns be like her food

ALWAYS GETTIN' THROWN UP

 

[shade]

 

[macle]

I'm getting one. I need protection from the 10 black people in my town.

 

[Cooky]

do they have sticks?

that would be awful

 

[Vine Whip]

surprise surprise

I have no fucking clue why you think that if im a criminal im going to be put off by your gun. i can get my own gun w.e.

As a criminal, wouldn't you prefer to rob someone who was unarmed? Don't you think that the possibility of getting shot might be a deterrent?


I don't even need a gun to function as a criminal. Are you going to go around and shoot drug dealers cause they're criminals, or prostitutes for that matter? Either be less vague in what our trying to say, or else actually think through the implications of what youre preaching.

There have been studies that show that an increase in legal firearm ownership correlates with a drop in violent crimes (rape, robbery, etc).

Further, I think that in this day and age criminals for the most part don't commit large scale crimes in public places. yes there is still date rape, kidnapping for ransom, etc. But there is no FVCKING way you are going to convince me with a logical argument that people carrying concealed guns is going to somehow deter this... if you enjoy carrying a gun that is your business, dont act like its something its not. We have moved beyond the days of bank robberies and casino heists, our crime is very different now. You act like youre going to be a vigilante or some sh!t "im preventing crime with mah concealed gun"

Date rape and kidnapping for ransom? Where the hell do you live? In my state we worry about knife to your throat rape and armed robberies. Casino heists? hahaha

Understand that the crimes you think you may prevent, things like mass shootings, or w.e, these acts are more often then not carried out by people who are mentally unstable first, and criminals second. Is a crazy person necessarily going to be deterred by more people carrying guns?

Perhaps not, but the threat that they pose may be neutralized sooner.

You're just a citizen out to do good. I get it, taking the responsibility for public safety into your own hands because the plebes can't protect themselves. I agree that a lot of people should not draw their firearms, but thats a separate issue. and hope that anyone who does ever draw a firearm has more sense than this.

I'm no vigilante. I know this. They actually teach you this in concealed carry classes, which you probably didn't know. You aren't supposed to pull your weapon unless you fear for your life. If you happen to stumble upon a violent felony (e.g. rape) you can also use deadly force. I have no intentions of stopping a bank robbery.

Im sorry this is just too funny, I really can't take this seriously. is there a shortage of security personnel where you live? I used to live a block away from Compton (you know where the gang violence happens?), and I never actually felt the need for a gun (I'm white maybe that made a difference), I doubt where you live is more dangerous, unless you live in a border town run by cartels, but then my advice is to leave, not stay and buy a gun.

Violent crimes can happen anywhere at any time. Nobody knows if or when they are going to be a victim. All we can do is be prepared. Personally, I've never had a law enforement officer follow me around to protect me. There isn't a cop sitting outside of my house keeping watch. What are you going to do if your luck runs out? Are you going to just lay down and let it happen? .

Responses in bold.

 

[Snkz]

The real reason is that guns are cool, and they're amazing at getting that girl or guy to notice you.

 

[Vine Whip]

You're just a citizen out to do good, I get it, taking the responsibility for public safety into your own hands because the plebes can't protect themselves.

I thought this ^ was pretty damn funny. Where do you live Myzozoa, btw, where "citizens" are nobodies? Communist China?

Here in America, citizens are individual people that can and do count, and make a difference in making the world a better place.

Don't blame folks for exercising their rights to gun ownership here. It's our freedom and we love it.
I will never understand people's hatred for guns or other people wearing them.

Seriously, if we thought a combination of no education and lots of guns was a huge problem then West Virginians would be killing eachother in droves.

It's a fvkin right from the Consitution because the founders of the US were a hell of a lot smarter than a majority of the idiots here or anywhere else on the web who do not get that ultimately only you are the person best fit to defend yourself.


Here's a joke, since you gave me a laugh..hopefully this will give you one back.

Cheers!

A guy makes a rolling stop at a stop sign, and gets pulled over by a local policeman.
The guy hands the cop his driver's license, insurance verification, plus his concealed carry permit.
"Okay, Mr. Smith," the cop says, "I see your CCW permit. Are you carrying today?"
"Yes, I am."
"Well then, better tell me what you got."
Smith says, "Well, I got a .357 revolver in my inside coat pocket.
There's a 9mm semi-auto in the glove box. And, I've got a .22 magnum derringer in my right boot."
"Okay," the cop says. "Anything else?"
"Yeah, back in the trunk, there's an AR15 and a shotgun. That's about it."
"Mr. Smith, are you on your way to or from a gun range...?"
"Nope."
"Well then, what are you afraid of....?"


"Not a damn thing..."

 

[Matthew]

I for one believe that the Constitution is a bit dated itself and we probably shouldn't need to follow it to this exact T anymore, especially about the gun laws. Actually basically only about the gun laws, those should most likely be removed in this day and age.

EDIT:
that's also not a very good joke

 

[Myzozoa]

I thought this ^ was pretty damn funny. Where do you live Myzozoa, btw, where "citizens" are nobodies? Communist China?

Here in America, citizens are individual people that can and do count, and make a difference in making the world a better place.

Lol, I live in norcal, my idea of making the world a better place is volunteering at a free needle and condom distribution clinic. I'll remember to bring my own gun if i every decide to commit a crime in florida or texas, and the south shall rise again...

When I posted what you found so funny...


I meant to be funny...

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Im making fun of you because the attitude you portray to me indicates that you think you have to paternalistically protect people. Guess what? normal people do just fine without your protection ty very much

well thank god that wasnt an awkward post or anything like that...

 

[JimBob]

Date rape and kidnapping for ransom? Where the hell do you live? In my state we worry about knife to your throat rape and armed robberies. Casino heists? hahaha

i think you missed his point. just because date rape and kidnapping aren't violent crimes doesn't mean they aren't crimes. they are crimes to which guns are relatively useless in stopping, and everyone having guns wouldn't stop date rape from happening.

Also there isn't any north coast in America unless you live in Hawaii. or maybe Michigan.

 

[Firestorm]

oh look
a vigilante with a self-imposed sense of duty and arbitrary idea of justice carrying a gun
what could go wrong

 

[Vine Whip]

Im making fun of you because the attitude you portray to me indicates that you think you have to paternalistically protect people. Guess what? normal people do just fine without your protection ty very much...

So...why do you volunteer at the free needle and condom clinic then?

Your contradictions are very confusing, if people do fine without any help or protection....why do you volunteer? They don't need your help, right?

You volunteer because you know you make a difference in the world around you. You need to expand your thought process on that a bit...

BTW, I don't carry conceiled. But, I support it. I hope if I ever get attacked and I have my life threatened...some good man nearby is carrying conceiled and damn well knows how to handle a firearm.

I own guns to protect myself and those I care about. If some bastard breaks into my home with the intent on hurting me or others, laugh all you want from behind a keyboard. I'll meet that bastard standing tall. IE..I've got the tool to protect myself instead of being a victim.

It happens. I've seen it firsthand, with my own eyes. Too many times. That is the world we live in. Predators prey on victims and take from others. That is a fact. The wolf/sheep dynamic. Attacking GOOD people who own guns is not the right fight.

Numbers don't lie. Where there is a heavily armed population, the number's show that crime is lower. If you are actually in NorCal, you should know that.

 

[Firestorm]

Numbers don't lie. Where there is a heavily armed population, the number's show that crime is lower. If you are actually in NorCal, you should know that.

Ok.

 

[Mountain Dewgong]

Carrying a gun can increase your safety? Sure. If you're trained.
And by trained I don't mean that you regularly shoot clay birds or 'live' at the range. The ability to hit a can at 40 yards doesn't do shit if you're not used to being in an extremely tense situation where words aren't the only thing flying. I pulled a few points from a documentary I watched a while back, which is in no way infallible but as I stated it has a few valid premises.

Average Citizens Not Prepared to Handle a Gun in an Emergency

Opponents also point out that most people are ill-prepared to handle a gun. Only six states, for instance, require any kind of training before issuing a routine permit to own a gun, according to the San Francisco-based Legal Community Against Violence. Of the 48 states that allow concealed-carry permits, less than half require people to "demonstrate knowledge of firearm use and/or safety," and even fewer require an actual training course.

Such a lack of training sends up red flags for people like investigator Benton and firearms instructor Glen Dorney.

"Rounds are coming back at you," Benton said. "You've got outside environments, people are screaming, running. It's too much for a normal person who's never been trained to deal with. It's overwhelming."

If you're untrained you're more likely to freeze or fumble getting yourself hurt, you're more likely to misfire and possibly maim/kill innocent bystanders and probably most importantly you're going to escalate the situation; something you're (most likely) not trained to deal with let alone instigate.

You bring up points about defending yourself from undesirables, addicts and whatnot on the street or even your own home. You pull a gun on them, what's going to happen? Sure, they could bolt. But the bottomline is you have no fucking idea what they could do, they're criminals for a reason, they're unstable and generally violent. They could just as easily pull a gun on you and they probably have less to lose than you, they probably wouldn't hesitate to pull the trigger like you and instead of losing your wallet and keys you've lost your life.

http://bungalowbillscw.blogspot.com/2009/04/if-i-only-had-gun-abc-attempts-to-make.html

That's the only clip I could find of the documentary and I repeat I do not think it unbiased, infallible evidence. It could have been done much more fairly but I'm just adding this so you trolls don't attack my source instead of dealing with the argument.

The armament of the general public probably deters the common thugs of the streets but more importantly it encourages the armament of criminals, which encourages more guns to be used in policing in some cascading cycle of negative reinforcement. Which is a fucking dilly of a pickle you have got yourself into, America. Obviously there is not short term or even viable moderate long term solution for the problem without putting many people at risk so the argument isn't going to end any time soon.

I'm by no means a gun advocate; there's a reason why our (New Zealand) murder and burglary rates are lower than yours even though our police force as a whole isn't armed with anything more than a taser. But if you Americans are so set on arming yourselves I urge that the only way to help reduce deaths is mandatory training not only in ranges but consistent defensive combat training in a similar (but obviously less intense) manner to the police. Because without it, every Joe, Bob and Randy is going to stroll the streets with a colt in their jeans thinking they are untouchable and people are still going to die.

 

[Acklow]

"Handguns Should Be Strapped on the Hip, Not Concealed!"

The guy in this video I see as one of the many nuts who go about the wrong way advocating 2nd Amendment Rights.

 

[Iamslow]

oh look
a vigilante with a self-imposed sense of duty and arbitrary idea of justice carrying a gun
what could go wrong

I dunno, I think MOST responsible people who appreciate being able to carry a gun around are going to be careful because fucking up means they would loose the right to.

I say MOST. MOST.

Especially because gun enthusiasts generally think it's like the best right ever.