Switching to Toxicroak with a Red Card
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ASB Factory Tournament R1: SubwayJ vs Matezoide
- Thread starter Leethoof
- Start date
Substitute (25)-Substitute (25)-Substitute (25)
I am going off of the assumption that Mat will receive double consecutive EN use on A2 and A3 (because thats what happens with Sleep Talk and metronome). And also the assumption that you can snatch substitute with a substitute already up, if either of these are wrong please let me reorder.
EDIT: We got a Deck ruling that my assumptions are correct so yay ENKO's <3
I am going off of the assumption that Mat will receive double consecutive EN use on A2 and A3 (because thats what happens with Sleep Talk and metronome). And also the assumption that you can snatch substitute with a substitute already up, if either of these are wrong please let me reorder.
EDIT: We got a Deck ruling that my assumptions are correct so yay ENKO's <3
Orcinus Duo
Banned deucer.
Snatch: The Pokemon distracts their opponent at a crucial moment, stealing the effect of any healing, stat boosting, or supportive move. The opponent still pays for the energy cost of the Snatched move, but does not receive the effect. If it would be impossible for the Snatcher to fulfill the requirements of the supportive move (ex. not having enough HP to make a Substitute), Snatch will fail and suffer only its base EC cost. Snatch cannot steal moves used in combinations.
I feel like per the above, the third use of snatch would fail because subway already has a substitute so "fails to fulfill the requirements of the supportive move".
So matezoide: 100-27-35-11=27 en, sub 25, 88 hp
Jay: 100-24-28-32=16 en, sub 25, 50 hp
Idk man I'm as confused as you are but this makes sense to me
EDIT: I read (and I think deck might've too) read your sentence as can I snatch a sub if /I/ have a sub up
But jay's third sub 25 definitely fails and so I think snatch would fail too. I mean, he didn't MAKE anything for you to snatch away.
I feel like per the above, the third use of snatch would fail because subway already has a substitute so "fails to fulfill the requirements of the supportive move".
So matezoide: 100-27-35-11=27 en, sub 25, 88 hp
Jay: 100-24-28-32=16 en, sub 25, 50 hp
Idk man I'm as confused as you are but this makes sense to me
EDIT: I read (and I think deck might've too) read your sentence as can I snatch a sub if /I/ have a sub up
But jay's third sub 25 definitely fails and so I think snatch would fail too. I mean, he didn't MAKE anything for you to snatch away.
From the ruling we got (me and mat on irc)
A1:
Spiritomb snatches my Sub (27EN)
I attempt to use sub (24 EN)
A2:
Spiritomb snatches my sub AGAIN but doesn't actually use HP because he already has a sub (35 EN)
I attempt to sub (28 EN)
A3:
Spiritomb snatches my sub A THIRD TIME but doesn't use HP again because he already has a sub (43 EN)
I attempt to sub (32 EN)
This means I spend 84EN and Spiritomb spends 105EN and is KOed.
This is all based on the rulings we got today on irc
A1:
Spiritomb snatches my Sub (27EN)
I attempt to use sub (24 EN)
A2:
Spiritomb snatches my sub AGAIN but doesn't actually use HP because he already has a sub (35 EN)
I attempt to sub (28 EN)
A3:
Spiritomb snatches my sub A THIRD TIME but doesn't use HP again because he already has a sub (43 EN)
I attempt to sub (32 EN)
This means I spend 84EN and Spiritomb spends 105EN and is KOed.
This is all based on the rulings we got today on irc
Orcinus Duo
Banned deucer.
No see here's my problem with that
Snatch fails if the user "fails to fulfill requirements of supportive move". In other words, if the supportive move fails, it cannot be snatched.
Jay creates a sub a1, is snatched. Jay creates a sub a2, is snatched but fails, so the sub remains with jay. On a3, the move substitute FAILS for the first time, since Jay already has a sub. Hence, snatch should also fail on a3
Snatch fails if the user "fails to fulfill requirements of supportive move". In other words, if the supportive move fails, it cannot be snatched.
Jay creates a sub a1, is snatched. Jay creates a sub a2, is snatched but fails, so the sub remains with jay. On a3, the move substitute FAILS for the first time, since Jay already has a sub. Hence, snatch should also fail on a3
Orcinus Duo
Banned deucer.
All relevant ruling is posted by pwne on my wall
So matezoide: 100-27-7-11=55 en, sub 25, 88 hp
Jay: 100-24-28-32=16 en, 25 hp
So matezoide: 100-27-7-11=55 en, sub 25, 88 hp
Jay: 100-24-28-32=16 en, 25 hp
Orcinus Duo
Banned deucer.
die
spiritomb dies
jay dies
but toxicroak has 100 hp and 16 en
spiritomb dies
jay dies
but toxicroak has 100 hp and 16 en
Because Mat must send out Kingdra I can order!
Fake Out-Chill-Dual Chop
***If successful Protective/Evasive action, Chill that action and pushback
***If Damaging-Evasive move A3 and you are slower than Kingdra, Bounce that action
Fake Out-Chill-Dual Chop
***If successful Protective/Evasive action, Chill that action and pushback
***If Damaging-Evasive move A3 and you are slower than Kingdra, Bounce that action
Orcinus Duo
Banned deucer.
Pre-Round Information:
Arena: ASB Arena! Rocks on Matezoide's field.
Nidoqueen [F]
HP: 79
En: 43
Base Stats: 3/3/4/3/66/3/4
Stat Changes: -10 Eva
Abilities: Sheer Force (Not Enabled)
Item: Nevermeltice
Other:
Gliscor [M]
HP: 71
En: 65
Base Stats: 3/5/1/3/110/3/3
Stat Changes: +14% Acc
Abilities: Poison Heal
Item: Mago Berry
Other: BPSN
Arena: ASB Arena! Rocks on Matezoide's field.
Toxicroak [F]
HP: 100
En: 16
Base Stats: 4/2/3/3/98/3/3
Stat Changes: +11% Acc
Abilities: Anticipation
Item: Red Card
Other:
Kingdra [F]
HP: 76
En: 100
Base Stats: 2/3/3/3/98/3/5
Stat Changes: +11% Acc
Abilities: Sniper
Item: Water Gem
Other:
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Round 6 Ends!
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I predict jay to win.
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Round 6 Ends!
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Post-Round Information:
Arena: ASB Arena! Rocks on Matezoide's field.
Toxicroak [F]
HP: 89
En: 18
Base Stats: 4/2/3/3/98/3/3
Stat Changes: +11% Acc
Abilities: Anticipation
Item: Red Card
Other:
Kingdra [F]
HP: 67
En: 100
Base Stats: 2/3/3/3/98/3/5
Stat Changes: +11% Acc
Abilities: Sniper
Item: Water Gem
Other: + 2spe
Arena: ASB Arena! Rocks on Matezoide's field.
Nidoqueen [F]
HP: 79
En: 43
Base Stats: 3/3/4/3/66/3/4
Stat Changes: -10 Eva
Abilities: Sheer Force (Not Enabled)
Item: Nevermeltice
Other:
Gliscor [M]
HP: 71
En: 65
Base Stats: 3/5/1/3/110/3/3
Stat Changes: +14% Acc
Abilities: Poison Heal
Item: Mago Berry
Other: BPSN
Arena: ASB Arena! Rocks on Matezoide's field.
Toxicroak [F]
HP: 100
En: 16
Base Stats: 4/2/3/3/98/3/3
Stat Changes: +11% Acc
Abilities: Anticipation
Item: Red Card
Other:
Kingdra [F]
HP: 76
En: 100
Base Stats: 2/3/3/3/98/3/5
Stat Changes: +11% Acc
Abilities: Sniper
Item: Water Gem
Other:
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Round 6 Ends!
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I predict jay to win.
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Round 6 Ends!
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Post-Round Information:
Arena: ASB Arena! Rocks on Matezoide's field.
Toxicroak [F]
HP: 89
En: 18
Base Stats: 4/2/3/3/98/3/3
Stat Changes: +11% Acc
Abilities: Anticipation
Item: Red Card
Other:
Kingdra [F]
HP: 67
En: 100
Base Stats: 2/3/3/3/98/3/5
Stat Changes: +11% Acc
Abilities: Sniper
Item: Water Gem
Other: + 2spe
Action 1:
Toxicroak uses Fake Out -4 en
To crit 651 yes
(4+3+1.5)=8.5
Action 2:
Toxicroak chills +12 en
Kingdra uses Agility -7 en
Action 3:
Kingdra uses Dive -9 en
Toxicroak uses -6 en
Dive: to crit 6561 no
(8+3)=11
Between Rounds: Nothing.
End of Round-ing:
Toxicroak: -11 hp, +2 en
Kingdra: -9 hp, -16 en
Toxicroak uses Fake Out -4 en
To crit 651 yes
(4+3+1.5)=8.5
Action 2:
Toxicroak chills +12 en
Kingdra uses Agility -7 en
Action 3:
Kingdra uses Dive -9 en
Toxicroak uses -6 en
Dive: to crit 6561 no
(8+3)=11
Between Rounds: Nothing.
End of Round-ing:
Toxicroak: -11 hp, +2 en
Kingdra: -9 hp, -16 en
Same. That Snatch shenanigan completely killed me.....i was probably going to lose regardless, but that one killed any chances i could possibly have.
If only i didnt forget to complete the subs....oh well.
Hydro Pump -> Surf -> Hydro Pump (Gems)
If Cross Chop, use Bounce the first time, Dive the second and Bounce the third.
If damaging Poison type move outside of a combo, use Dive the first time, Bounce the second and Dive the third.
If only i didnt forget to complete the subs....oh well.
Hydro Pump -> Surf -> Hydro Pump (Gems)
If Cross Chop, use Bounce the first time, Dive the second and Bounce the third.
If damaging Poison type move outside of a combo, use Dive the first time, Bounce the second and Dive the third.
Vacuum Wave-Revenge+DualChop-Cooldown(Revenge)
Orcinus Duo
Banned deucer.
People don't VM me.
It's okay I'm on vaca so DF can ref this I guess
It's okay I'm on vaca so DF can ref this I guess
Toxicroak [F]
HP: 89
En: 18
Base Stats: 4/2/3/3/98/3/3
Stat Changes: +11% Acc
Abilities: Anticipation
Item: Red Card
Other:
Kingdra [F]
HP: 67
En: 84
Base Stats: 2/3/3/3/98/3/5
Stat Changes: +11% Acc
Abilities: Sniper
Item: Water Gem [5/5]
Other: +2 Spe
Seems like this one's going to Subway.
Action 1:
Toxicroak used Vacuum Wave!
RNG Roll (To-Crit) (<=625): 6291/10000 (No)
(4 + 4.5 - 4.5 + 3) = 7 Damage
-3 EN
Kingdra used Hydro Pump!
RNG Roll (To-Hit) (<=9100): 8119/10000 (Yes)
RNG Roll (To-Crit) (<=625): 8239/10000 (No)
(12 + 4.5 - 4.5 + 3 + 3) = 18 Damage
-7 EN
Action 2:
Kingdra used Surf!
RNG Roll (To-Crit) (<=625): 9396/10000 (No)
RNG Roll (To-Crit) (<=625): 8239/10000 (No)
(10 + 4.5 - 4.5 + 3 + 3) = 16 Damage
-6 EN
Toxicroak used Dual Revenge!
RNG Roll (To-Crit) (<=625): 9353/10000 (No)
RNG Roll (To-Crit) (<=625): 9042/10000 (No)
(20 + 6 - 4.5)*1.5 = 32.25 Damage
-A lot of EN
Toxicroak used Vacuum Wave!
RNG Roll (To-Crit) (<=625): 6291/10000 (No)
(4 + 4.5 - 4.5 + 3) = 7 Damage
-3 EN
Kingdra used Hydro Pump!
RNG Roll (To-Hit) (<=9100): 8119/10000 (Yes)
RNG Roll (To-Crit) (<=625): 8239/10000 (No)
(12 + 4.5 - 4.5 + 3 + 3) = 18 Damage
-7 EN
Action 2:
Kingdra used Surf!
RNG Roll (To-Crit) (<=625): 9396/10000 (No)
RNG Roll (To-Crit) (<=625): 8239/10000 (No)
(10 + 4.5 - 4.5 + 3 + 3) = 16 Damage
-6 EN
Toxicroak used Dual Revenge!
RNG Roll (To-Crit) (<=625): 9353/10000 (No)
RNG Roll (To-Crit) (<=625): 9042/10000 (No)
(20 + 6 - 4.5)*1.5 = 32.25 Damage
-A lot of EN
Toxicroak [F]
HP: 0
En: 0
Base Stats: 4/2/3/3/98/3/3
Stat Changes: +11% Acc
Abilities: Anticipation
Item: Red Card
Other: KOed
Kingdra [F]
HP: 28
En: 71
Base Stats: 2/3/3/3/98/3/5
Stat Changes: +11% Acc
Abilities: Sniper
Item: Water Gem [3/5]
Other: + 1 Spe
Subway release and order, Mate order, referee!
Go NIDOQUEEN
~Enable Sheer Force~
Sludge Wave-Earth Power-Sludge Wave
***IF Evasive-Damaging move AND Endure has not been used, use Ice Beam+Ice Beam that action
***IF Successful Protective/Evasive action use Chill and Pushback
~Enable Sheer Force~
Sludge Wave-Earth Power-Sludge Wave
***IF Evasive-Damaging move AND Endure has not been used, use Ice Beam+Ice Beam that action
***IF Successful Protective/Evasive action use Chill and Pushback
Nidoqueen [F]
HP: 79
En: 43
Base Stats: 3/3/4/3/66/3/4
Stat Changes: -10 Eva
Abilities: Sheer Force (Enabled)
Item: Nevermeltice
Other: -
Kingdra [F]
HP: 28
En: 71
Base Stats: 2/3/3/3/98/3/5
Stat Changes: +11% Acc
Abilities: Sniper
Item: Water Gem [3/5]
Other: + 1 Spe
/me figures out the most efficient way to torture Matezoide
Action 1:
Fuckshit used Dive (Suspend)!
Blades spin...
-6 EN
Nidoqueen used Frostbite!
-31.5 EN
Action 2:
Arsecrap used Dive (Attack)!
RNG Roll (To-Crit) (<=625): 1664/10000 (No)
(8 + 4.5 - 4.5 + 3)*1.5 = 16.5 Damage
-9 EN
Nidoqueen cooled Down!
Action 3:
Tittybollocks used Bounce!
I hope it lands in a pit of spikes.
Nidoqueen used Frostbite!
Yeah, you don't have the EN.
KO!
Tittybollocks landed!
Tittybollocks crashed into an electric fence
-11 EN
Fuckshit used Dive (Suspend)!
Blades spin...
-6 EN
Nidoqueen used Frostbite!
-31.5 EN
Action 2:
Arsecrap used Dive (Attack)!
RNG Roll (To-Crit) (<=625): 1664/10000 (No)
(8 + 4.5 - 4.5 + 3)*1.5 = 16.5 Damage
-9 EN
Nidoqueen cooled Down!
Action 3:
Tittybollocks used Bounce!
I hope it lands in a pit of spikes.
Nidoqueen used Frostbite!
Yeah, you don't have the EN.
KO!
Tittybollocks landed!
Tittybollocks crashed into an electric fence
-11 EN
Nidoqueen [F]
HP: 0
En: 0
Base Stats: 3/3/4/3/66/3/4
Stat Changes: -10 Eva
Abilities: Sheer Force (Enabled)
Item: Nevermeltice
Other: KOed
Kingdra [F]
HP: 28
En: 45
Base Stats: 2/3/3/3/98/3/5
Stat Changes: +11% Acc
Abilities: Sniper
Item: Water Gem [3/5]
Other: -
Subway releases, doing whatever. Matezoide orders, sub orders, ref. Blah.
Gogogogo Kingdra.
Rest -> Sleep Talk (Scald, Surf, Hydro Pump, Ice Beam [Activate the Gem!]) -> Sleep Talk (Scald, Surf, Hydro Pump, Ice Beam [Activate the Gem!]) ->
If Taunt A1, use Ice-Beam A1, Scald (Gem) A2 and Ice-Beam A3.
If damaging flying type move in a combo, use Protect that action and push-back.
loltheseordersarefuckingterrible
Rest -> Sleep Talk (Scald, Surf, Hydro Pump, Ice Beam [Activate the Gem!]) -> Sleep Talk (Scald, Surf, Hydro Pump, Ice Beam [Activate the Gem!]) ->
If Taunt A1, use Ice-Beam A1, Scald (Gem) A2 and Ice-Beam A3.
If damaging flying type move in a combo, use Protect that action and push-back.
loltheseordersarefuckingterrible
Facade+Facade-Cooldown(Sky Attack)-Chill
***If Rest healing would happen at the same time rest is used instead of at the end of the action, please let me reorder.
***If Rest healing would happen at the same time rest is used instead of at the end of the action, please let me reorder.
"Ow".
Rewards:
Matezoide: 2 CC
SubwayJ: 2 CC, 6 MC on his team and on any mon collected by trade.
Orcinus: 7/10 * 7 = 4.9 UC ==> 4 UC
Dogfish44: 3/10 * 7 = 2.1 UC ==> 3 UC
Action 1:
Kingdra used Rest!
-15 EN
Gliscor used Facade + Facade!
RNG Roll (To-Crit) (<=625): 8212/10000 (No)
(31.5 + 4.5 - 4.5) = 31.5 Damage
-35 EN
KO!
Kingdra used Rest!
-15 EN
Gliscor used Facade + Facade!
RNG Roll (To-Crit) (<=625): 8212/10000 (No)
(31.5 + 4.5 - 4.5) = 31.5 Damage
-35 EN
KO!
Rewards:
Matezoide: 2 CC
SubwayJ: 2 CC, 6 MC on his team and on any mon collected by trade.
Orcinus: 7/10 * 7 = 4.9 UC ==> 4 UC
Dogfish44: 3/10 * 7 = 2.1 UC ==> 3 UC
GG Matezoide!