Eh, not terrible. I think Gogoat and Panchum are right, and maybe even Fletchling, but Helioptile...? That's a weirdass name, even by Pokemon standards. I doubt it'll be the one (and if it is, I'll be a little disappointed).
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I was having some fun speculating over which Pokemon could be re-classified as Fairy type, if it indeed turns out to be a real type. This is nothing but speculation of course, feel free to add a Pokemon you think might be another good candidate, or argue with my choices, or whatever. I'm really curious to see what will happen if this rumor really turns out to be true. I kind of hope that it does.
This one is fairly obvious. They are the Fairy Pokemon, after all, if it didn't happen I would be surprised. Adding Fairy as their secondary type would give them two immunities (Ghost/Dragon) and expand their movepool, but it would add a poison/steel weakness, giving them a total of three weaknesses, which isn't so bad. It's really impossible to say how their typing would affect their place in the metagame without seeing what new moves and abilities they will get, not to mention what the addition of 100+ new Pokemon will bring, but I can see the type change really benefiting Clefable, no matter what tier she ends up in.
This one may be a bit of a stretch, but something about Mr. Mime just screams Fairy to me. Psychic/Fairy would be an interesting combo; Fighting types would cower in fear, Poison and Dark types, though their attacks would still be super-effective, would have super-effective Fairy STAB moves to worry about, and Dragon types would be hampered by the double whammy of a 2x weakness and Dragon immunity. I really don't see Mr. Mime going anywhere regardless of how his type or the metagame changes, but you never know. He could even gain an evolution like first gen brethren Magmar and Elektabuzz did in gen 4.
These guys have been OU since the beginning, and I really don't know how a type change would effect that in a totally revamped metagame. Additional weaknesses would hamper their effectiveness as walls, but that added Dragon immunity is a nice bonus.
This HAS to happen. Finally, there will be a reason for Dunsparce and his useless little wings. He might even gain an evo out of the whole deal, but honestly, I kind of prefer him as a stand alone oddity. Not every Pokemon needs to shine competitively, and who wants to give up laughing at Dunsparce?
These oft-forgotten guys deserve a little time in the spotlight, don't they? Like the Clef line they are classified as Fairy Pokemon; it would be wrong to snub them. Get it? Snub? Snubbull? Ok, I'll leave.
Since Gallade turned out to have a secondary Fighting type, Gardevoir deserves a secondary type, too, and she looks the part.
If the source providing this info is indeed accurate, then we already know that Mawile will become Steel/Fairy. Since Steel is immune to Poison, Fairy types Poison weakness will be negated, which is a plus. Steel will also do neutral damage instead of super effective damage, seeing as Steel resists itself. It will retain it's weaknesses to Fighting, Ground, and Fire, the latter really giving it a hard time as it would resist both of it's STABs. Maybe Sableye and Mawile will get evos this gen? Both could be pretty kickass with some boosted stats and new moves and abilities to play around with, though Sableye really couldn't ask for a better ability than Prankster.
Another one that's kind of a stretch, but not really. If it does happen, welcome to OU, Milotic. Milotic would gain super effective STAB against Fire, Rock, Ground, Dragon, Dark, and Fighting. Steel would do neutral damage to it because water resists steel, leaving it with only one extra weakness, Poison. Poison attacks are rare in OU to begin with, so this would not phase Milotic much unless some more powerful Poison type Pokemon and attacks are introduced in gen 6 to help balance fairy. It would gain an immunity to Dragon, as well as resisting Steel, Fire, Water, Ice, and whatever Fairy resists, if it turns out to have any resistances at all. Fairy attacks are not very effective against Fire, but Milotic being a Water tyoe would negate that. Milotic has good stats to begin with, so giving it a boosted movepool and a heap of extra type resistances and advantages would make it a really top tier Pokemon, especially on rain teams (assuming that people still use weather by the time gen 6 rolls around).
This one is fairly obvious. They are the Fairy Pokemon, after all, if it didn't happen I would be surprised. Adding Fairy as their secondary type would give them two immunities (Ghost/Dragon) and expand their movepool, but it would add a poison/steel weakness, giving them a total of three weaknesses, which isn't so bad. It's really impossible to say how their typing would affect their place in the metagame without seeing what new moves and abilities they will get, not to mention what the addition of 100+ new Pokemon will bring, but I can see the type change really benefiting Clefable, no matter what tier she ends up in.
This one may be a bit of a stretch, but something about Mr. Mime just screams Fairy to me. Psychic/Fairy would be an interesting combo; Fighting types would cower in fear, Poison and Dark types, though their attacks would still be super-effective, would have super-effective Fairy STAB moves to worry about, and Dragon types would be hampered by the double whammy of a 2x weakness and Dragon immunity. I really don't see Mr. Mime going anywhere regardless of how his type or the metagame changes, but you never know. He could even gain an evolution like first gen brethren Magmar and Elektabuzz did in gen 4.
These guys have been OU since the beginning, and I really don't know how a type change would effect that in a totally revamped metagame. Additional weaknesses would hamper their effectiveness as walls, but that added Dragon immunity is a nice bonus.
This HAS to happen. Finally, there will be a reason for Dunsparce and his useless little wings. He might even gain an evo out of the whole deal, but honestly, I kind of prefer him as a stand alone oddity. Not every Pokemon needs to shine competitively, and who wants to give up laughing at Dunsparce?
These oft-forgotten guys deserve a little time in the spotlight, don't they? Like the Clef line they are classified as Fairy Pokemon; it would be wrong to snub them. Get it? Snub? Snubbull? Ok, I'll leave.
Since Gallade turned out to have a secondary Fighting type, Gardevoir deserves a secondary type, too, and she looks the part.
If the source providing this info is indeed accurate, then we already know that Mawile will become Steel/Fairy. Since Steel is immune to Poison, Fairy types Poison weakness will be negated, which is a plus. Steel will also do neutral damage instead of super effective damage, seeing as Steel resists itself. It will retain it's weaknesses to Fighting, Ground, and Fire, the latter really giving it a hard time as it would resist both of it's STABs. Maybe Sableye and Mawile will get evos this gen? Both could be pretty kickass with some boosted stats and new moves and abilities to play around with, though Sableye really couldn't ask for a better ability than Prankster.
Another one that's kind of a stretch, but not really. If it does happen, welcome to OU, Milotic. Milotic would gain super effective STAB against Fire, Rock, Ground, Dragon, Dark, and Fighting. Steel would do neutral damage to it because water resists steel, leaving it with only one extra weakness, Poison. Poison attacks are rare in OU to begin with, so this would not phase Milotic much unless some more powerful Poison type Pokemon and attacks are introduced in gen 6 to help balance fairy. It would gain an immunity to Dragon, as well as resisting Steel, Fire, Water, Ice, and whatever Fairy resists, if it turns out to have any resistances at all. Fairy attacks are not very effective against Fire, but Milotic being a Water tyoe would negate that. Milotic has good stats to begin with, so giving it a boosted movepool and a heap of extra type resistances and advantages would make it a really top tier Pokemon, especially on rain teams (assuming that people still use weather by the time gen 6 rolls around).
Dragon resistance would certainly be a big deal for Gardevoir.
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Perhaps, though poison would become more common to counter fairies.
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I saw it as more of a: "Here' some stuff we can use to find out if he's legit or not really soon." type thing.
Fletchling is way too vague. That name could suit any baby bird.
Helioptile sounds badass, but a bit too technical at the same time.
Helioptile sounds badass, but a bit too technical at the same time.
Helio . . .
Helios . . .
Could it be hinting at a Electric/Fire evolution(or forme)?
Yo did anybody consider that maybe you get a different regional dex depending on what starter you choose? And there will be a group of catchable Pokemon available no matter who you choose (essentially being the version exclusives).
Here's why I think that might be possible:
1. Three dexes, three starters
2. Water starter --> Coastal Dex
Fire starter --> Mountain Dex
Grass starter --> Central Dex
Makes sense to me...
Here's why I think that might be possible:
1. Three dexes, three starters
2. Water starter --> Coastal Dex
Fire starter --> Mountain Dex
Grass starter --> Central Dex
Makes sense to me...
No because that arbitrarily cuts off two thirds of the pokedex for no reason
Actually...it does make sense, in a weird sort of way.
Chespin is the central Pokédex starter, Froakie is the coastal starter, and Fennekin is the Mountain starter (based purely on typings).
It doesn't have to completely block off certain Pokémon from other Pokédexes - they could potentially overlap, as we've seen some Pokémon are able to live in a variety of places (like Rattata).
So, in other words - implausible? Yes. Impossible? Nope.
But why would they do this when they'd have an easier time making up version exclusives? Also, if you choose Froakie and you are suddenly only allowed to catch coastal Pokemon, doesn't that mean you'll be forced to use only Pokemon of that habitat? The problem with this is that, if the coastal region is full of Water Pokemon and you already have a Water Pokemon, then the game is trying to turn you into a specialist, which is rude. On top of that, the coasts can only make up about 1/3 of the land you are bound to traverse, so how is it that you will only find Pokemon that are probably meant to be prominent in 1/3 of the region everywhere else?
This theory is weird...
It doesn't mean that he can't say that he was given information about the new Pokemon after their english names were revealed. The timing that the source gave him the information could also be a reflection on their legitimacy. He claims to be a tester for the games, so when and how did he first see these Pokemon? Furthermore, why doesn't he give more name and Pokemon information about Pokemon that haven't been revealed yet, unless he's either following some sort of personal honor-bound system or he only gets to test game mechanics with recently revealed Pokemon? There are a lot of ways to look at this source...
I like that they're dividing the Pokedex up this way though. Kind of reminds me of HeartGold and Soulsilver where Elm had you walk with your Pokemon to help "Study the behavior of Pokemon outside of their Pokeballs." It was not only cool that you got to walk with your Pokemon but there were in game benefits too, like if the Pokemon you were walking with was poisoned, it wouldn't faint. The poison would wear off at 1 HP.
Maybe this Gen the Professor will ask to you help investigate the effects that habitats have on Pokemon. Could lead to increased weather mechanics, or maybe a difference in how EVs are earned depending on where you are?
Aaaaannnd I'm speculating. But I thought I'd throw that out there! :D
Maybe this Gen the Professor will ask to you help investigate the effects that habitats have on Pokemon. Could lead to increased weather mechanics, or maybe a difference in how EVs are earned depending on where you are?
Aaaaannnd I'm speculating. But I thought I'd throw that out there! :D
Considering Poison is resistant to fighting, they could just expand and make it strong against fighting too.
I started it. A sectionalized Pokedex reminds me of habitats. It seems to me like they're looking to make the player more cognizant of the way animals (and some plant life) in ecosystems work.
I was looking over the first scan of CoroCoro that was posted in this thread, and I noticed something interesting. The new pokemon are placed over what appears to be a zoomed portion of the map. There appears to be a city built with walls not unlike Lacunosa Town's, except this is more circular. I also saw what appeared to be a pokemon center in the lower right, as well as a few rivers. Not sure if this was actually relevant to something else in the magazine (why would it be?), but it's interesting nonetheless.
According to some translators, the Pokédex is divided into three unique sections - Mountain, Coastal, and Inner or something. We're in debate over what this means, but it could be anywhere from different explorable areas of the map to basic divisions similar to FRLG.
I believe that on Smash they pretty much confirmed that Sylveon wasn't Fighting-type.
Allow me to sum up my interpretation of what Smash said. This might be a little off but should be pretty close.
- It was explicitly stated that Sylveon's type was not the same as anything else in the Eevee family, including Eevee itself (Normal).
- Shokotan, cosplaying as Sylveon, was asked to showcase one of her abilities. (Abilities as in talents, nothing related to the in-game term 'abilities'.)
- Shokotan pulled out a set of nunchucks and started using them quite well, so the Smash team speculated that Sylveon might be Fighting-type.
- Then a big burly guy came and easily defeated Shokotan/Sylveon. The team concluded that Sylveon was 'probably not a Fighting-type'.
- Shokotan/Sylveon was asked to showcase another of her abilities. She successfully broke a block of ice in half. Nothing very revealing was stated by the Smash team here.
- Someone suggested that if Sylveon was super-effective on Ice, and was already confirmed to be not Fighting, then Sylveon might be Steel-type.
- They then tested the effectiveness of Poison by making Shokotan/Sylveon smell something bad. She reacted somewhat dramatically, making it almost definite that Poison was at least effective. There was a caption on screen with the text "Super effective?!".
My opinions:
- Sylveon's type may or may not be actually super effective on Ice. On the one hand, the Smash team observed the ice block breaking and then specifically mentioned Fighting and Steel as examples of types SE on Ice. However, watching the show, I get a feeling closer to "Oh look, maybe Sylveon is SE on Ice. Going by that assumption, let's test Steel." It seems ambiguous to me, so I'm leaving this up in the air.
- I'm confident Sylveon's type is weak to Poison. I do not think the producers would have put up an exact text caption saying "Super effective?!" if it wasn't.
I mean having a way to look at Pokemon besides their regional numbering, like the categories that you can use to scroll through your Pokedex in FRLG, or the habitat list in BW2. "Sectionalized" may not be the right word, but if there's a viewing mode where it breaks down the list of available species in a region into three major sections, then it makes me think that the Pokedex is becoming a much more resourceful wildlife encyclopedia.
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Judging by the post on gamefaqs, by testing at Digipen
And from the sound of things...
he's sent in various information between february & the 4 names he gave yesterday (ish), likely including various Pokemon we haven't seen.
That's interesting. I didn't realize before, but you can actually make out a lot on that map. In addition to what you pointed out, if I'm not mistaken:
North is the starting town with an autumn theme. If so, no more varying seasons everywhere? I wouldn't mind.
Northeast is snowy.
The rivers span a lot of the map.
There are desert-like stretches that span a lot of the map.
And there are several cities/structures shown.
Just a slightly clearer version of an old scan
The close up view of the pokedex shows a division of Central, Coastal and Mountain Kalos, with different seen (?) numbers for each
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I can't even begin to describe how spiteful and ridiculous it would be if there was a new type SE against Ice.
We get it GF, you hate Ice types. Now cut them some slack, will you?
We get it GF, you hate Ice types. Now cut them some slack, will you?
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